Every MMA fan knows this dude is a monster but this fight he had with Bonnar was an interesting one to me. Bonnar is one of the bigger LHW fighters in the division and had never truly been KO'd in his career. Tough as nails and always brings it in fights. Anderson made him look like a child out there. This guy is unreal. Truly is the best fighter on the planet. I think he needs to fight Jon Jones in a superfight. Everything else just looks to easy for the guy. And I for one think that he would hand Jones a beat down. This guy is a freak when the fight is standing. Just wanted to see what some of my MMA Buckeyes thought about Anderson and the next route he should take fight wise.
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lol to anyone who thinks he would maul jones.... silva is taking fights he knows he will win nowadays.... dont get me wrong he is a stud but he has even said he doesnt want the fight with bones
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He will avoid any superfights with Jones or GSP. Bonner was a fight he should have taken years ago. He wanted to taunt a lesser opponent in front of his home crowd.
I think the right dollar sign he would. He said he was not going to fight at 205 after he dismantled James Irvin.
But what Anderson accomplishes in the stand up is something that none of us have really seen before. Jones is at a big disadvantage in the stand up IMO against Anderson. And Vitor opened up a pretty big hole in Jones ground game when he was able to slap that armbar on him so easily. Now dont get me wrong Jones was a beast for hanging in there and eventually getting out of it but that thing was tight.
Jones is a stud. But I have bet against Anderson enough times to know now that there is a reason that he is undefeated in the UFC and why you dont bet against him. But if Dana truly thinks that the right dollar amount would get Anderson to take the bait then he needs to get on this NOW.
Well im not sure about that bodast. He and Bonnar both took the fight on short notice to save the main event. I am not a fan of Anderson. But I will admit that he is the tops when the talks of best fighter in the world come around.
The talks have come back up about him wanting to fight GSP, he publicly said that was the next fight he was wanting to do after the Bonnar fight and after GSP fought Condit. Either route I guess would not be wrong but I think I personally would rather see him fight Jones.
Their are probably 1000 fighters as good as Anderson in brazil. The UFC does a shitty job of finding him actual competition, he's Dana white's easy bet for Vegas
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They might all be "friends" haha. They would probably never fight each other. Alot of friends to be made in fighting!
Silva has put his time in and has beaten everything put in front of him-save for one fight he's done it withouth breaking a sweat. Jon Jones would be totally over matched against Silva. Jones has a lot of elements of his game down cold-Silva can pick how he wants to beat someone and go out and do it. He gets his notoriety for some great striking wins but is more than capable to grapple, point, or submission his way to a win as well. Again, Jones a very gifted, well rounded fighter, but right now this like comparing Kober Bryant at 21 to Michael in his prime-too soon, Silva would totally work Jones.
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well put Brewster. Sometimes I think the way Anderson strikes its almost like he knows what his opponent is gonna do before they even know.
silva doesnt want jones hes a diff breed... an supreme athlete who chooses to compete in mma... ppl who think silva would dismantle jones imo show how much they dont know and dont train in the sport that is all
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So your saying that there is absolutely no way that Anderson would beat Jones Sir Rick?
And I dont think it shows anyones lack of MMA knowledge to think that the most dominant fighter in the UFC would beat the LHW champion. What has shown you in any of his fights that he couldnt? Serious question here not trying to challenge you I just want to get your take on it.
no im not saying theres no way silva would win... im saying jones is oversized for a 205er with a 84.5" reach the guy cuts 20+ lbs to make weight... hes eventually going to be a heavyweight he still hasnt grown into his frame... silva is by far the best standup fighter ive ever seen but if sonnen can take silva down, one would be foolish to think jones couldnt...
i fail to see how i shoulda been downvoted for my previous comment
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I didn't down vote you but I could see why one would. Saying you don't know anything about a sport because you don't train in it is pretty foolish.
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I see what you are talking about. But on the other side of it, the second fight against Sonnen Silva showed great TD defense. And Bonnar is a HUGE LHW and tried to take Anderson down with no success (not saying Bonnar is this great wrestling im just saying his frame and the fact that he is a decent wrestler in general). I think his TDD is better than most people (me included) think it is.
The other thing on the topic of the TD is lets say Jones does get him down which IMO is his best chance of winning against Anderson. Then what? Anderson is plenty comfortable off his back. Jones showed kinks in his game on the ground against Vitor who is great at BJJ. Anderson is just as good if not better than Vitor at it. We have just not seen many times where Anderson has had to use it. But as well on the other side of it the long frame of Jones and those nasty elbows are enough to scare anyone.
If the fight was to ever happen though and I had to pick a winner today, my money would have to go on Silva
I just dont see how you can say that thinking that Anderson Silva can beat Jones means that someone lacks Knowledge of the sport. Its not like someone was saying that that Frankie Edgar could beat him or anything like that. We are talking about the most dominant fighter in the sport who has fought at two different weight classes.
Do away with the rules biased against ground fighters, pick a Gracie and watch Silva lose.
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it wasnt about saying he can lose to silva, it was about saying it wouldnt be a contest. silva is great no doubt, however, jones has never truly lost his only loss was when he was dominating a guy and they called it for illegal elbows... silva has lost and has been finished by ryo chonan and daiju takase (spelling could be wrong)
"Jon Jones would be totally over matched against Silva".... thats the comment that i had a problem with bcuz its so far from the truth
and brewsters what i said was a comment like that shows me that the person doesnt train... never did i say someone who doesnt train doesnt know anything... but until youve rolled or grappled with someone that has 40 lbs on you and is in supreme condition can you truly understand how overwhelming it truly is
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KLFECK, in a BJJ match, yes Silva would lose, but in an MMA fight he would destroy whatever Gracie you put in front of him.
Are you really using those two fights to make a statement? Interesting. Well lets clarify the finish part of that. He was submitted by them. And if anything since you want to bring those up what that tells me is that the size really doesnt matter then.
Im just really shocked that you used those two fights as your basis for argument.
@Jdadams01 If you have been watching MMA since the beginning in the early 90's you would know that they changed the rules because the BJJ guys were winning almost all the major fights.
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You are correct, but no one would call those fights true mixed martial arts fights. The setup today is much more inclined to the mixed. It's not biased against BJJ fighters, it forces them to be more rounded. In a true MMA fight, Anderson Silva destroys any Gracie.
It's the same reason an elite boxer or wrestler has trouble with a good MMA fighter. If they aren't rounded, someone will attack their weakness. Those "biased rules" aren't biased at all and are better for the sport.
A big reason that the Gracie's aren't dominant is because they don't own the UFC anymore. The UFC was originally a platform to showcase BJJ, and the Gracie's hand picked competitors. I am not saying that BJJ isn't a terrific discipline, just saying that when Royce left the promotion, he got destroyed.
"ppl who think silva would dismantle jones imo show how much they dont know and dont train in the sport that is all"
So that comment says I don't know because I don't train. What am I missing.
It's foolish. Its the same crap athletes give media members when they get asked questions they don't like "Oh you haven't played you don't know". I'm sorry but having never participated in a sport has no bearing on how well one understands it. You're just wrong.
KFleck-which Gracie right now would beat Silva? I'm sure we can play what if until the cows come home, but currently, on October 18th, 2012, what member of the Gracie clan would beat Silva in a world where rules are changed to favor your fighter (a Gracie)?
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If they fought 100 times, my guess is that Bones wins close to 75. He has so many natural advantages (weight, reach, youth) and is smart enough not to fight Spider's fight. Spider can absolutely knock Bones (or anyone else) the hell out and is deserving of the #1 pfp ranking. But I think the most likely outcome is Spider on his back eating elbows until the fight is stopped in the 4th or 5th round.
I'd much prefer Spider to eat GSP's overrated lunch. And it's not that I don't think GSP is any good, he's damn good. But the dude is always injured and therefore rarely has to defend his belt relative to the other fighters on the top pfp list. I'm just saying GSP is a lot closer to #10 than #1 and would lose to Spider 90+ times out of 100 fights.
Agreed on Silva beating GSP. GSP's game is to go out and try and decision his opponents. I don't see GSP being able to do what Sonnen did to Silva in their first fight, which is put Silva on his back and try and grind out a decision.
This is the first time GSP had ever had to pull out of a fight due to injury. He fought and defended his title against Pitbull with a pulled groin muscle. Im not sure where you are getting that he is injured all the time. #2,#3 p4p no doubt about it.
One thing that GSP does everytime is follow a gameplan down to the T. Anderson somehow gets these guys to throw theirs out the window as soon as the step in the cage but GSP is way to disiplined for that. Not saying that he would beat Anderson just saying he wouldnt stray away from the game plan.
silva will eat gsp up and he knows it thats why he wants the fight. gsp is too little for the spider.
@ brewster no that comment is stating its obv you dont train bcuz you think silva would dismantle jones. its not true it would at minimum be a close fight for all the reasons a boy named tracy and i have mentioned, length, weight, and he could have been a professional in other sports. hes a supreme athlete as referenced by both his brothers being in nfl.... thats why lesnar was able to be succesful without having extensive training other than being a college wrestler. he moved incredibly well for being a man his size (again someone who had to cut 20+ lbs to make weight). i mean here you are trying to sound like you know a lot more about a sport you clearly dont. i like you're comments you are clearly well educated. however, i dont think you are very educated in mma. i truly believe if you trained at your local gym you would understand a lot more about where im coming from with all this. not a personal attack just my opinion
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And you're adherence to this notion that one who practices a sport instantly knows more than one who doesn't is a wrong opinion. I don't know what I'm talking about because I disagree with you, simple as that.
I don't care what sports he COULD have been pro in. Also-you aren't exactly helping the Silva\Bones argument by using Brock Lesnar. In Lesnar's case, athleticism (of which he had in droves) got him past a gassed Shane Carwin (who beat Lesnar's face in because he's a superior fighter) and aged Randy Coutre (who had no business being in that fight) and Heath Herring. The ONLY impressive win on Lesnar's docket is the mauling of Frank Mir-who out techniqued him the first time he stepped in the ring. Overeem and Cain (actualy FIGHTERS) showed the difference between athletic guys who can fight and Fighters who are actually athletic. The fact that you are attacking my knowledge of MMA and then go on to use Brock Lesnar to support your theory on Jones\Silva shows me exactly how little you know, regardless of how many hours to spend on a mat.
You guys do know Silva cuts a ton of weight too right? He could be a bonafide heavy if he really wanted to. Jon Jones might be the only guy, given his age, that can ever make a run at the sort of dominance we've seen under Silva. He is a really really good fighter who has beaten up his fair share of headliners in his own right. The attage has been the same forever. "Get Silva off his feet and he's powerless". "Show him a wrestler and he's screwed". Same song and dance. How'd that work for Hendo and Chael when Anderson took him seriously? My point-yes, the blue print is there. Take him down and you MIGHT have a chance. That was the same blueprint for the Iceman in his prime-and how many wrestlers looked up at the lights once they couldn't get Chuck down either? Wresters have an advantage on the ground, but do you think the elite strikers like Silva will just let that happen? Athleticism is what you are going on. Athleticism and reach. So those two factors alone give Bones a %75 winning percentage against the single greatest fighter in UFC history. Got it.
But hey, Brock Lesnar was athletic and big and had a reach too so maybe I am wrong. I should head out to an MMA gym to properly educate myself.
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Silva's typical walk around weight is around 215-220 so he would be a very small HW but you are right Brewster he does cut his fair share amount of weight. And you are also correct about Silva vs Wrestlers. Silva has underrated TDD but even if he gets put on his back he doesnt look like a fish out of water there. He is comfortable there as well. Take the first Sonnen fight. He got taken down at will but it was scary how he never had the look of worry on his face. Not once.
Jones is athletic but his striking is not world class. He has the reach advantage yes but Anderson is so precise and fast on his feet and with his strikes Im not sure even Jones would be able to dodge much of what Anderson would throw at him. The guy ends fights when HE wants to end them.
And Anderson is pretty damn strong as well. Some interesting reading material on Sherdog.com about guys that have fought Anderson and what it was like in there. I believe it is from the perspective of Cote and Rivera. Good reads. Also if they dont have what Bonnar had to say about the fight also go to mmafighting.com for what Bonnar had to say. Some pretty good stuff in there.
FightMetric.com has some great stuff.
Anderson Silva has an otherworldly %67.8 Significant Strike Accuracy. The next closes is Cain Velasquez with %60. He's a full %7 better than the next closest striker. Jon Jones is at %52. I know no one here is arguing that Bones is the better striker, but Anderson is insanley better in landing shots that count.
According to this site, Anderson Silva's takedown accuracy is %78. Jon Jones is %64. Anderson Silva is %70 successfull against the takedown while Jones is...%100. Is that right? Jon Jones has never been taken down? Wild.
EDIT-The requirements to be in the top 10 of any stat vary but the Take Down Defense one requires a minimum of 20 attempts, which makes me think Jones has not yet had 20 attempts as he isn't on top of the list. So he could be, say 11 for 11 or something. Gleison Tibau has turned away %91.8 of his takedown attempts. Thats something.
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Yeah Tibau has great TDD stats. The 100% stat for Jones is right. He is just too long to be taken down.The wrestlers he has fought are Hammil,Evans,the Janitor (cant pronounce his name let alone dont really want to look it up) and Bader. Which if you look at it are all pretty good wrestlers. You could put bonnar in there if you wanted to I suppose. I wouldnt put Rampage in there though because even though he was a wrestler he never uses it.
Crazy. The site I was using makes a good point about takedowns too. Its what you do after that matters. I just find it odd that Jones would be able to get Silva down a ton, keep him down, and\or finish him down there without finding himself in a very uncomfortable position. I just don't see it. Keep em standing and it ends even worse. Numbers don't lie.
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anderson silva as a heavyweight and you scoff at the stuff i post. lol get a clue. does goldberg know as much as rogan i mean they work all the same fights? one has a bjj blackbelt and extensive knowledge and the other well he watches a lot of fights so he must know just as much. bones is the best wrestler in the division thats why he doesnt get taken down. anderson still hasnt fought a top ten 205er. silva has lost and been finished when he was bones age, where as bones looks like a undefeatable wrecking ball. im not saying his standup is where andersons is bcuz noone has andersons standup but the guy did finish shogun who has a granite chin. i think its very plausible to think he could use his range close the distance use his greco-roman background to the much smaller silva against the cage. if he wants he can take him down imo there is no doubt about that... the big difference between sonnen being on you and jones is the razorblades jones has in his elbows. jones looks to finish, sonnen looks to pitter pat to a victory. the reason vitor alost caught bones is despite vitors bjj blackbelt ppl didnt respect the guy off of his back. alotta guys have black belts but not many are exceedingly dangerous off of there backs. however, anderson is one of them. im not saying bones would dismantle or even when my argument from the beginning was your proclamation of a dismantle. so clearly we differ with our definitions of dismantle. imo dismantle means it wouldnt be a fight. what im saying is this is the only fight for both men that would be a challenge at this point in their careers. everyone knows brocks standup was shit my point was its crazy how far certain guys in the heavier weight classes can get by with just athleticism. btw brock was a diff animal pre and post surgery.
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But they can't. They get caught, and in Lesnar's case he got caught more than he didn't. I still count the Carwin fight a loss and he got outclassed by three superior fighters. The only impressive win was when he mauled Mir-which was all Lesnar could have done. Any other aspect of that fight that doesn't end up on the cage and Lesnar is toast. Slightly lesser athletes, far superior fighters. Bones is a superior athlete to Silva. Silva is a superior fighter. Silva, as the numbers show, is a tough guy to hit, take down, keep down, and avoid getting hit by. That's exactly what I'm saying. Right now, Anderson Silva would wreck Jon Jones. Right now, this point in time, which isn't on Spider's side-I get that. That's why I hope the UFC really shows fans it is different from boxing and makes sure its biggest fighters fight at the right time. Two years from now, its a different animal. Right now-Anderson Silva would put Jones out before the third round, at the latest.
I agree Jones would be the best fighter Silva has seen-but that sword cuts two ways. No one Jones has faced or will face compares to Anderson Silva. There are strikers, there are great strikers, and then there is Anderson Silva. I look at fights this way-when each guy does something better than the other. In this case, Silva is the better striker, Bones is the better wrestler. If the strength abandons the other, who is at the advantage? Silva would be just fine on the ground or on his back. Would Bones be ok on his feet? The numbers indicate no.
Silva is too good. We don't differ at all on our opinions. If they fight tommorow, Silva would leave a pile of rubble where Jones once stood. Deadly accurate, incredibly quick. Jones wouldn't know what hit him-Right now.
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agree to disagree then, never do i see jon jones getting wrecked by anyone. could he be beaten yes... i just havent seen anyone hit him with more than 1 significant shot in a fight and that has happened 2 times... evans hit him with a head kick which he walked threw and he took a counter right from machida which he walked threw. both of these men have ko power. are they anderson? no. is it the superfight ive been clamoring for for 1.5- 2 yrs? absofreakinglotely... i just dont think anderson will take it just like he wont fight weidman... i know ull really laugh at this but i think weidman has a legit shot at beating the spider and he knows it thats why he wont take it.
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Anderson has fought a top 10 205er. He fought Forrest and laugh at that all you want but when they fought, he was indeed a top ten fighter. May have been a borderline top 5 fighter at the time coming off wins over shogun (finished him) and Rampage to take the belt only to lose to Rashad afterward then lose to Anderson.
I agree with you Brewster about all the points you made about Anderson. And Sir Rick, Im not sure its the fact that he may know that Weidman has a shot at beating him or its the fact that his most impressive win is to Munoz who is a gatekeeper in the division at best. I dont know if Weidman right now would be able to handle the likes of a Bisping at the moment as much as I hate saying that but you never know.
I do think we can all agree about one thing.
Chael Sonnen deserves a shot at the title as much as I deserve to be a PGA tour pro....
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Very true Brewster. He doesnt deserve it at all but I like the stance that Dana took with it. He said Chael stepped up when all the others turned it down. Machida had his shot, turned it down and is now finding out the hard way. The guys who want to step up and fight no matter what are gonna be the guys that get rewarded. You get the fights in when you can because in a flash it can all be over. I have yet to see the UFC release a guy that took a fight on short notice and lose.
Hey Bhardy, you do realize GSP has fought a whopping 3 times in over 3 years. All of which were decision victories. I stand by my assessment.
So if you have him #2 or 3 pfp, who of the following would you rate below him?
If in the next couple of years he beats the likes of Hendricks, Diaz, MacDonald and my personal favorite Gunnar then he'll have earned that top 3 ranking for sure.
LOL. the p4p rankings doesnt go by how many times in a year a guy fights. He had basically cleared the division until Condit came to life. Condit, Hendricks, Rory all had to get their way up the ranks and fight the Koschecks and Fitch's of the division before getting a shot at GSP. so yes #2,#3 p4p is exactly where he stands.
Put him in the 2 or 3 then take your pick on down for the rest. And that isnt just me that puts him in those rankings you can see where everyone else has him and its not even close to where you would put him. Even defending the belt a whopping 3 times in 3 years.
Seriously? Not sure who "everyone else" is but the fact that a guy almost never fights and you still consider him elite among guys who, you know, actually compete... that's preposterous. Your "logic" is akin to a pitcher winning the Cy Young after going 4-0 in 5 starts over another guy who's 20-3. You're not going to lose if you almost never face the competition.
And # 2? Bones has beaten (& more often than not finished) more elite competition in the last 18 months than GSP has in his entire overrated career. The fact is, GSP has not faced ANY of the top 4 or 5 challengers in his own division. His best wins have come against a bloated BJ Penn & over-the-hill Matt Hughes. Not to mention, he got ktfo'd by Matt Serra. He couldn't even finish Dan "hanging on to my UFC contract by a thread" Hardy.
The other guys on my list not only fight more than once a year, they also have faced & beaten the top guys in their divisions & destroy mid-tier fighters. Not one of those facts is true about GSP...
I know GSP hasn't finished many of his last fights but have any of them ever been in doubt? At any point in his last 9 fights since Serra won the lotto, did you ever say "Man he almost got GSP!". His fights are boring but the guy flat out dominates everyone he steps into the ring with. He is to takedowns\ground grapple as Silva is to stand up striking. There are guys who can take you down, there are guys who are really good at taking you down-then there is GSP who can take you down and keep you down at will. His fights don't have the sexy finishes but the San Francisco 49ers aren't a very sexy football team either but few of their contests have been in doubt.
Wins are wins. The UFC loves the style points of a finish but if a guy doesn't lose-and does so in a manner that he appears to be unchallenged while in the ring, what does it matter?
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Well if those are your thoughts on MMA, I'd LOVE...LOVE to hear your thoughts on football.
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go bucks i dont think you were formally invited so you didnt have to join the discussion. as far as p4p i put guys up there that i think can dominate in other divisions as of right now today p4p would be imo
1 spider
2 bones
3 aldo/edgar (fwiw silva said he would retire if aldo was 30 lbs heavier the guys devastating)
4 gsp and then a BIG drop off after that
im personally not a fan of gsps style but the thing about the guy is hes a true mixed martial artist. if you like to stand and bang hes taking you to the mat if you like to wrestle hes gonna make you stand up. i just think he fights to safe after that serra fight hes 2 afraid to try to finish ppl anymore.
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He certainly fights ultra conservative-and why not? I mean, he knows he can point anyone he wants for 5 rounds, why risk getting caught? Some guys think a fight is a failure if it isn't finished, GSP clearly isn't one of them. I'll give him credit-dude fights his way and never seems to let the opponent, hype, crowd or anything else change that.
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GSP doesnt finish this is true. But after the fight your career is in danger of being over due to injuries sistaned alone. As Kos and Fitch how their faces felt after eating that lead left for 25 minutes straight.
Check the records of the guys GSP has fought and see how many times in their careers they have been finished. Not too many. You can put him where you want but IMO he is the #2 p4p fighter in the world. Using the old "GSP got knocked out by Serra" line is old. Are you going to keep Anderson out of the discussion for #1 p4p because back in the day he got submitted by Ryo Chonan in Pride? Get out of here with that.
Once again, up until Diaz came in and then lost to Condit who was railing off wins over contenders, he had cleared the ENTIRE division basically. What were you going to do throw some young fighter in there who has had maybe 3 or 4 fights against noone even close to fighting even top 20 talent? Thats absurd. Who was Hendricks most notable win before Fitch? Brenneman?
at 170 i wanna see him fight ellenberger and hendricks.... i liked watching gsp completely negate others styles... but i cant say i shell out 55 dollars to see him or fitch in the main event very often... sonnen deserves to be in the wwe did anyone watch ufc insider this week? guy just talks the most unreasonable stuff ive ever seen... the guy knows he cant beat bones but he knows his mouth can sell tickets and so does dana white.... sonnen just shows you that a closed mouth doesnt get fed and a squeeky (spelling) wheel gets greased
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To the nitwit who brought up Lennox Lewis... dude wouldn't last a round in a fight with Junior Dos Santos (or any other top Heavyweight). And why are you reading this thread if you don't care for the topic?
Sir Rick, that list I can almost buy into except Cruz in particular has been way more impressive than GSP in my opinion.
The difference between the arguments of Spider & GSP's losses is that Spider has actually fought a lot of top contenders in 2 weight classes since his losses. Whereas GSP has mostly been eating popcorn and watching all the other guys fight for the past few years. Again 3 fights in 3 years... weak.
While not his fault, his division was pretty weak a few years ago when he cleared it. That is not the case now. And I think he'll be exposed assuming he ever gets back in the cage. If he can beat the likes of Hendricks, Diaz, Maia, MacDonald & Gunnar then I'm all for ranking him back in the top 3, no question. But I don't think he gets it done, time will tell. It obviously works laying on top of Jon Fitch for 25 minutes but Damian Maia?... I'll believe it when I see it.
bhardy just got a message from a guy who fights and he wants to know if weidman doesnt deserve a shot, did anderson after 1 fight in the ufc beating the gatekeeper chris leben?
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@ Tracy, I can respect that no doubt. I see where you are getting with it. But GSP did have some tough fights a few years ago. Pitbull, Fitch, Hughes (yeah he was on his way down but was still putting on some good fights and winning) BJ (I know bloated and all that but he was always a game opponent for at least 2 rounds.) Kos, Sherk on Roids and his last win coming over Shields. All pretty tough guys with good resumes themselves.
Hendricks is very close to his shot its not even funny. Ellenberger set himself a touch back with the loss to Kappman but no shame in a lost to him cause he is a beast. Its just that those guys just really got on the scene as far as true relevence in the div. along with Rory who is also a fight or two away. Maia the same. The div. really just started to breathe new life in it as of recent.
@ SirRick I would say no but when Anderson got into the UFC, The MW div. was probably one of the worst div. in the organization as far as depth was concerned. But the fight was so fast and such a devastating one sided beating with Anderson landing 85% Sig. Strikes. He took the opportunity and ran with it though didnt he? But seriously though look at the guys Rich Franklin was beating down before Anderson came in alot of those guys were on the tail end of their careers at that point. And for me to say that says alot because I am a HUGE fan of Rich's.
Look, im not saying Weidman isnt a hell of a fighter because he is. But the guy still has only 9 proffessional fights. His best wins are against Maia and Munoz. Do you really think he deserves a shot over Bisping? Seriously Bisping as much as I hate to say it has paid his dues. Has beaten everyone the UFC has placed in front of him (except for Wand and Hendo.he beat Sonnen, you know it and I know it). Aside from Sonnen, Bisping has lost to 3 Champions. Not too shabby honestly. He deserves one before Weidman IMHO.
i think weidman deserves it but im a BIG weidman supporter.... if anything i think bisping should have to fight weidman... lets not forget everyone was saying going into the weidman munoz fight if munoz won he was going to get the shot and he got wrecked... weidman is the best wrestler in the division imo and everytime he gets in the cage he has shown significant improvements. as far as the sonnen decision that coulda gone either way imo i like to look at it as payback for the hammill fight... which imo is one of the worst decisions ive seen in ufc history he was getting wrecked in that fight. however, thats also why i like finishers, sometimes the judging in combat sports is skeptical to say the least. also in a completely unrelated topic i feel that at least one judge should be a former fighter
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Stephen Bonnar isn't even a relevant name in the UFC. I was surprised at this match up. Thought it was weak.
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I would not be opposed to a Weidman/Bisping fight for #1 Contender. The funny thing about that Sonnen/Bisping decision is I said the SAME exact thing you said haha.
Weidman is a damn good wrestler and I do agree he is getting better with every fight no doubt. A fight with Bisping would truly show if he is really ready for that step because Bisping is up there in skill.
@southbay your right he isnt a household name but for the hardcore MMA fan, he helped put the sport on the map with his legendary fight with forrest. Aside from that he isnt a terrible fighter. Not the tops but not terrible. That fight was just thrown together in very short amount of time to save the main card when Jose Aldo got injured. I didnt have a problem with that by any means. It could have possibly been a scary fight for Anderson in the sense that what if Bonnar would have won type of deal.
i didn't think of the fact that he was a fill in, makes more sense now. even though a lot fo people know who he is, i was shocked to see him fighting for a belt.
on the griffin/bonnar fight... that was like 7 years ago, right? hasn't done much or anything since.
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No he didnt fight for the belt. Anderson fought him at 205 for that fight.
No he hadnt done much in the sport but man every time he fought it was fun to watch! He had some pretty great battles. And the fact that the only TKO losses he had before Anderson were all DR. Stoppages and werent to kicks,knees or punches until Anderson that is. He was a tough dude.
Anderson Silva is a bad, bad man. Best in any MMA circuit there is bar none. He's never out of a fight and will submit someone who's getting the better of him. Deadliest MMA fighter pound for pound in MMA history besides Royce Gracie back in the day.
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Anderson Silva needs to step up a weight class, stay there and fight the best in that class. I would like to see how he does then.
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But the real question remains, can Silva play linebacker?
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Dont think he is ready for that Cajun. Think he would rather stick to what he knows, smashing dudes faces haha.
@extreme. I would like and im sure everyone else would like for him to go up in weight. Only thing is it wont happen. He has too many "friends" in the octagon. Sad really because it takes away from so many possibilities for good fights there.
all his "friends" are friends bcuz they might funk on his "legacy" i just want someone that embodies the spirit of a royce gracie back in the day. fight anyone at any time to prove he is the best.
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
haha i knew some ppl would get upset on that one. But thats good i like feedback. To ABOYNAMEDTRACY. Lennox Lewis is a heavy weight boxer not mma, He doesn kick or scratch or put u in head locks or sumbit you like mma does. He will just knock u the fuck out. Boxing. Junior Dos Santos wouldnt last a round with lennox lewis i just watched some of his fights yea hes tough but there not even in the same weight class Lennox would destroy his face. Interesting debate with u gentleman enjoy ur forum ..
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In a boxing match you are correct. But Boxing isnt the only thing used in defending yourself. Lets say these guys arent in a sactioned event. Just a street fight if you will. There are no rules in a street fight. So how well does Lennox defend the takedown? How comfortable is he off his back while someone is throwing punches from the top? You dont like MMA? sweet. But you dont need to be on here bashing it.
Lennox wins in the ring yes but I can turn around and say he gets DESTROYED in the cage.
@GoBucks_All Day lol... Lennox has no idea how it feels to be hit in the face by Shane Carwin without all the safety padding they have in boxing gloves. or have his arm or leg dislocated & damn near ripped off his body. Boxing is ok but the worst that could happen in a fight with heavily padded gloves is a knockout.
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Interesting points .. I do enjoy some mma im not a basher of the sport it is very entertaining but i look at it like this . Ur in high school, college, anywhere . Some dude starts shit and u begin to fight now in my experience and going through high school and college . If you are street fighting no rules just anywhere. Normally with alot of ppl around . Its a boxing match my ppl wouldn even let the fight get on the ground and if it does they stop us and we get back up and begin to box again .. if ur in a street fight with someone and freinds and alot of ppl around if someone drop kicks u in the face the whole crowd will begin to fight because on the streets thats cheap as hell . Its time to square up and bare knuckle brawl thats just how i was raised anyway. But it does take skill to master what mma guys have so mass credit and respect to them. I just love boxing
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I can upvote that. I respect what you are saying. I like boxing too. But im BIG into MMA. Just to have to use all forms of fighting when you are going up against someone, you really cant just be the master of one form of art out there. You really have to know something or someone is going to knock you out or take a limb away from you. I enjoy watching boxing from time to time but I never miss an mma event.