My mentioning Ohio's 4th strait Big 33 win set off my friend who started spouting NFL HOFers that are from PA (Marino, Montana, Unitas, J Kelly, Lynn Swann) ... which led to talk of Katzenmoyer and others from Ohio who have fizzled.
I was hoping to find an NFL database which could be sorted by state born but could not - anyone have anything for me? Or a list of NFL holl of famers who were born/raised in Ohio??
I found this on the Pro Football HOF website. It seems that Pennsylvania does lead the way with their number of HOF's, and then Texas, but Ohio is not far behind.
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/birthplace.aspx
BTW: Lynn Swann is from Tennessee not Pennsylvania according to this list. He did, of course play professionally in Pittsburgh.
I'd say Ohio and PA (mostly western PA) are the two best high school football areas in the north. Arguing which is better is kind of a no win situation.
Tennessee - good job on that link. Larry Csonka, Roger Staubauch, Len Dawson, Don Shula, Chuck Knoll, Dick Labeau....Some pretty damn good HOF names to come out of Ohio.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Brent Celeck
Chris Collinsworth (born and raised mostly in OH, moved to FL just before high school)
Lee Evans
Lou Groza
Jim Harbaugh
James Harrison
Ben Hartsock
Don Hasselbeck
AJ Hawk
Desmond Howard (arguably one of the best return men in NFL history... only special teams player to win a Super Bowl MVP)
Jim Lachey
Nick Mangold
Orlando Pace
Ben Roethlisberger
Mike Vrabel
Donte Whitner
Jeff Wilkins
Antoine Winfield
Charles Woodson
All these guys have either been muktiple time all pro selections or have led pretty productive careers.
MATT DAMON
As far as coaches Ohio and/or tOSU has produced...
Urban Meyer- tOSU
Jim Tressel- tOSU
Woody Hayes- tOSU
Bo Schembechler- scUM
Gary Pinkel- Missouri
Chuck Noll- Steelers
Paul Brown- Browns, Bengals
Nick Saban- Alabama
Mark Dantonio- Mich. St.
Brady Hoke- scUM
Bob Stoops- Oklahoma
Jim Harbaugh- 49ers
John Harbaugh- Ravens
Tom O'Brien- NC State
Les Miles- LSU
Bo Pelini- Nebraska
Don Shula- Dolphins
Larry Kehres- Mt. Union
Tim Beckman- Illinois
Joe Tiller- Purdue
Mark Snyder- Marshall
Dick Lebeau- Steelers
Sean Payton- Miami of Ohio
Josh McDaniels- Patriots
Jon Gruden- Raiders, Tampa Bay
Ara Parseghian-Notre Dame
Dom Capers- Texans
Gerry Faust-Notre Dame
Jon McVay- 49ers GM
Wayne Fontes- Lions
Frank Solich- Nebraska, Ohio U
Bo Rein- NC State
Jerry Glanville- Falcons & Oilers
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
JACK TATUM
Um, Walrusball co-founder Jim Bollman AMIRIGHT?!?!!??
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
Yes, Jim 'Super Mega Walrus' Bollman is from Ashtabula (also the birthplace of one Urban Meyer):
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bollman_jim00.html
A good friend of mine who I went to high school with moved to pa. He coaches boys b ball and softball there. Says no sports are equally to Ohio sports. The drive and popularity isn't the same. Says small pockets come close bit no were near the scope of Ohio sports. He has had a first hand view of both
The pa school called a football game cause of rain, rain not lightning.
This thread is full of winning ... thanks.
@BUCKEYECHAD, I've never been one to back away from a non-win argument, I can talk in circles I just didn't have much ammo to go with this time.
Nick Saban is from West Virginia. Just played football at Kent State.
If you want to win this argument offer to consolidate OH & PA as equals and compare them to the rest of the country. Not sure any other area comes close.
@PITT - Saban also coached DBs at Ohio State. Pete Carroll and Lou Holtz were another assistant coaches who came through Columbus.
Thought we were talking birthplace not coaching positions. My mistake.
Pitt Buck - Originally I think this was about birthplace, but it has kinda branched out from there.