Jimbo Fisher's Home For Wayward Football Players

By Johnny Ginter on July 22, 2014 at 11:00a
41 Comments

I distinctly remember the first pang of impotent rage I had as a sports fan pretty clearly. Already angry at Ohio State losing to Florida State in the 1998 Sugar Bowl, I watched helplessly as Bobby Bowden continued to Good Ol' Boy grin away every one of Sebastian Janikowski's many run-ins with the law. It wasn't fair! It didn't matter than Janikowski was/is a freaking kicker, or that what happened at Florida State had exactly zero bearing on what happened at Ohio State, I just wanted justice. Petty, insignificant, 12 year old Johnny Ginter stomping around his parent's living room-style justice. For once.

And now another Florida State head coach is doing it again. This time it's Jimbo Fisher, handwaving away literal theft because the player has a great arm. Well no more! This is a society of law, and we need rules. Stupid, facile, impotent rules, but rules nonetheless. Maybe the flowchart below won't dispense the kind of law and order that pre-teen me craved, but at least we'll be able to make sense out of everything.

This took me an hour to make

One of the most accurate and also useless phrases in the English language is "life isn't fair." The person who points out the complaint isn't going to be relieved to know that things suck, he already knows that things suck! That person wants the things that suck to not suck anymore! That's the whole point!

So yes, Jameis Winston gets treated differently than other football players, but the solution isn't to throw your hands up in the air and tell everyone that life, yet again, has become unfair. The solution is to point out how stupid it is that he gets any special treatment at all, no matter who he is, and how that needs to change.

Last November 30th, Marcus Hall double birded his way out of Michigan Stadium and into our hearts. A week later, he was effectively suspended for the entirety of the B1G Championship game because of those actions. Other incidents at Ohio State have been and will continue to be handled behind closed doors when possible, but Urban Meyer has made it clear with how he handled the incidents of Carlos Hyde, Bradley Roby, and Noah Spence; tarnish the program in public, and face the consequences.

Five months later, Jameis Winston stole a bunch of crab legs and faced zero punishment from his football coach, who said:

"Let me ask this: When your kids get in trouble at home, do you tell the neighborhood what you did to them?" he said. "Kids are going to make mistakes. Nobody's perfect. Our whole thing at Florida State is teaching kids to make decisions."

The truth is that players are going to do dumb crap on a regular basis no matter what. Jimbo Fisher slapping Jameis Winston on the wrist for a couple of games that don't matter won't stop the next Seminole from staring hungrily at the front window of a Piggly Wiggly. But it's dishonest as hell to hide behind a veneer of trust and love when the only real consideration about his punishment had to do with how well the dude can sling a football.

Be the hero to old people and suspend Winston for being a turd, or be the rebel for the young people and let him go for being awesome at sports, but either way be consistent. At the very least, you owe that to a long-forgotten weird gangly kid with a bowl cut in southwest Ohio circa mid-1990s.

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Son of Sevenless's picture

It's bad news if you need The Wolf to roll up on the scene.

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FitzBuck's picture

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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thirtytrap's picture

It is amazing how much a young man is a kid and how much you love him when your job depends on that young man/ kid playing. 

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Colby3333's picture

" Our whole thing at Florida State is teaching kids to make decisions."

How about teaching kids to make the RIGHT decisions?  What a DA comment.  

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BierStube's picture

"No matter where you go, there you are." B. Banzai

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bakerjon's picture

Outstanding use of the Seinfeld!

"It's all ball bearings these days guys"

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sharks's picture

Free Seafood University

The postgame show is brought to you by... Christ, I can't find it. The hell with it...

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Send that one to the Ole Ball Coach in South Carolina.......guarantee he will use it.

apack614's picture

It isn't just what Urban Meyer will do, it is what the NCAA will do to the entire team if Urban Meyer does nothing. If he does nothing the NCAA will make our entire coaching staff resign just to see more interim coaching years at tOSU (no offense Fickell I love you as a person just not as a Head Coach) but when other teams mess up cough Florida State cough A&M. I think there is honestly just favorites, because they arent always unfair ask Penn St and USC or your very own tOSU but like you said Johnny "life isn't fair"

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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Oyster's picture

When your kids get in trouble at home, do you tell the neighborhood what you did to them?

 No, I don't tell the neighbors.  Then again, my kids are not in the public eye and are expected to be role models for millions of other children.

Apples to Oranges, Jimbo.

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

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Burritos Noches's picture

It truly doesn't matter how piss poor the coach's or player's excuse is anymore. I respect a man who refuses to be a cliche hypocrite far more than any other measure level of success he may reach. 

"3 yards and a cloud of dust" - Woody "Pow Right In The Kisser" Hayes

FairfaxBuckeye's picture

My favorite part of Fisher's comments were, when speaking of why he didn't punish Winston for stealing from Publix: "Not after we found out the story and what had happened and [what Winston did] was not a malicious thing," he said. "It was not done with intent."

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Fatpants's picture

After hearing him speak a couple times I'd believe that he may be too much of a dim bulb to realize that you actually have to pay for the stuff they have in a grocery store.

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BAR43's picture

I am pretty sure the value of those crab legs were more than the amount Posey was overpaid and received several games suspension.

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shadybuck's picture

Awesome flow chart, I especially like when i read the article title and think to myself, "that's gotta be a Johnny article", and then there is a little celebration in my head when I see that it is

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Mortc15's picture

But..but..urban turned players into criminals and even murderers! Jimbo is completely in the right for not disciplining Jameis! 

Buck-I4Life

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Fatpants's picture

Fisher's legacy will suffer more than anything.

As they can attest to in State College, you aren't always remembered for the good things you did.

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GoBucks713's picture

The above infographic reminds me of this

WILDCARD BITCHES!! YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

-The Aristocrats!

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Jason Priestas's picture

One of the greatest things ever created by the 11W community.

GoBucks713's picture

I saw my chance and took it. This ranks right up there with M1EK getting the ban hammer during the Tress aftermath, and Bucksfan changing his icon, and going to Eat Too two years ago in my mount rushmore of 11W events.

-The Aristocrats!

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bakerjon's picture

Classic. Tecmo Reference especially nice

"It's all ball bearings these days guys"

CTBuckeye's picture

While I can certainly rant about the NCAA and how it selectively choose to enforce their "rules," I don't think it will add much to the conversation since most (all) will probably agree with me.

What I want to say is there is an incredible double standard for honest programs that report violations, and those that take care of them "in house" - comment today from B12 commissioner says it best: "I think it's not an understatement to say cheating pays presently. If you seek to conspire to certainly bend the rules, you can do it successfully and probably not get caught in most occasions."

This is the rule that many SEC schools seem to abide by today - if you get caught, deny everything and because the NCAA is so inept you'll likely slide with no consequences (if they weren't even successful at prosecuting the Miami case a few years back when the evidence was literally handed to them there's no way they can actually prove a case on their own).

"Because we couldn't go for three"

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dubjayfootball90's picture

What a stupid comment

"Let me ask this: When your kids get in trouble at home, do you tell the neighborhood what you did to them?" he said. "Kids are going to make mistakes. Nobody's perfect. Our whole thing at Florida State is teaching kids to make decisions."

You do not let the neighborhood know you punished your kid. You ground your kid, and then when his/her firneds ask where he/she is, then they find out he/she is grounded, then the public knows. You don't have to make it public. Fisher is just using that excuse to make himself feel better at night. I see right through you, Fisher. What a turd...

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

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acBuckeye's picture

What has always tripped me out regarding the NCAA:

a) an actual federal/state/local law is broken, but an NCAA rule wasn't broken: NO PENALTY!!

b) no actual laws were broken, but someone bought you dinner: DEATH PENALTY!!

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Fogt13's picture

They are kids making mistakes when they do something wrong, all other times we are to refer to them as young men.

Go Buckeyes! Go Bengals! Go Reds!
My true love will always be Rosie

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rlyon's picture

Lets look at this. The NCAA butts it's head into a case where it had no business (Penn State). Then it ignores evidence that was provided regarding Miami and Manziel at Texas A&M. It punishes OSU and USC but does nothing to Alabama and Auburn. This is North and South all over again and it will continue as long as the person in charge of the NCAA has connections to the SEC.

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Buckeyenomad's picture

I didn't read the whole thread so I'm sorry if someone already said this but Winston's case was very unique because of the culture surrounding football in Tallahassee (and the south in general).  Ever since Bowden brought success to the FSU football program the players have become nearly untouchable. They've been given meals 'on the house', they never pay for drinks at the bar (and it doesn't matter if you are underage) etc. This all comes from first hand experience visiting FSU and more accounts from friends that attended the University. Their understanding of the situation is that Jameis had been walking out of Publix without paying for the entirety of his college career, yet this time they decided to do something about it. This is a theme that is starting to become more common in Tallahassee and other places as local business owners, who are also fans, don't want to be the reason the school gets massive NCAA sanctions. Does this absolve Jameis from punishment? Absolutely not, he still made a poor decision, even if he had done it many times in the past without repercussions. Yet as was mentioned in the article a couple game suspension would be useless (except for those of us hoping for an extra spot in the Playoff). The justice that needs to be doled out is actually on the part of the culture that supported Winston's behavior in the first place. If you offer 18 year olds special treatment they will, more likely than not, accept it. Winston made this mistake and now he can learn from it. It's not fair to lump his two incidents in the same pile as they are so vastly different. And it would take another excessively long post to discuss the justice of the sexual assault case. 

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45has2's picture

As a person that has resided just outside Tally for 18 years, I can tell you that your information barely scratches the surface of what goes on with the football team here. TPD not doing anything about a reported sexual assault for 11 months is de rigueur. Pay outs, free shopping, free food and alcohol and best of all.....a "never go to jail card".  Tallahassee, like Tuscaloosa, is a very small city and college football is king. It is king because it is the major revenue source for local businesses. Go against the king and you can find yourself on a one way shrimp boat trip 100 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

WC Buckeye's picture

Free Shoes University has always been - and will always be - the second-dirtiest program in NCAA Div. 1 football. First? The U.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

acBuckeye's picture

Southern Cal and Alabama may challenge that notion for 2nd behind Miami.

WC Buckeye's picture

SC was REALLY bad for a short time under a world-class cheater (looking your way with a wink, sneaky Pete), and Alabama just hasn't been caught since the Bear got a few slaps on the wrist. FSU has been nabbed a few times, and so has the U, even though we can both agree that neither has probably gotten their due. Once the NCAA figures out how Alabama does its dirty tricks and SC returns to cheating prominence (Sark's a clever cat, but all indications are he runs a pretty clean program, based upon close knowledge of his time at UW), I will concede the point. I have known one player who went to each of my top two picks back in the late 70's and early 80's, and there are lots and LOTS of stories most people haven't heard - the statute of limitations has expired.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

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chethammer's picture

I don't normally say anything about these matters because it brings out the superstitious Dummy in me, but this is FSU's normal reaction to any football player in trouble.  "They're just boys"  Winston is a 20 year old "boy"  and I think that if he were going to mature and grow up he'd have already done it.  Look at Chris Carter.  He practically had to lose everything before he got it figured out.  Now he's one of my favorite people.

Tom57's picture

Guys get it straight... the NCAA doesn't enforce or even care about the law or morality. They care about one thing = the principal of amateurism.

Winston steals crab legs = no problem

Booster gives Winston free crab legs at a restaurant = violation

Can't you see the logic? Think the judge in the O'Bannon case will see the logic??? Me either.

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bakerjon's picture

I would like to point us back to a good reference known as the Bible. I may get down votes for just that first sentence, but Matthew 7:1-2 tells us 1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Now I wish more Christians would follow this advise (there's me judging again...dang it...), but we should be careful not to judge how Jimbo handles his business. There are many opportunities to point fingers at tOSU for how they have handled things, like say a pot offense, which is still against the law also in Ohio, or underage alcohol consumption, also against the law. 

I'm not saying what Jimbo and FSU are doing is right. I'm saying tOSU is guilty too.

I agree with the comment above that these young men are held to a higher standard.  They are getting a free education, free housing, free personal training, free wardrobe, and many other benefits already by being on the team. With that comes responsibility to live a little better and be a role model (sorry Sir Charles). That said, I believe every offense should be made public and dealt with in a transparent manner. Enforcement will bring about a different culture in the long run. This pattern of "handling things in house" by FSU (and tOSU) will only lead to more transgressions IMO

"It's all ball bearings these days guys"

bakerjon's picture

I would like to point us back to a good reference known as the Bible. I may get down votes for just that first sentence, but Matthew 7:1-2 tells us 1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Now I wish more Christians would follow this advise (there's me judging again...dang it...), but we should be careful not to judge how Jimbo handles his business. There are many opportunities to point fingers at tOSU for how they have handled things, like say a pot offense, which is still against the law also in Ohio, or underage alcohol consumption, also against the law. 

I'm not saying what Jimbo and FSU are doing is right. I'm saying tOSU is guilty too.

I agree with the comment above that these young men are held to a higher standard.  They are getting a free education, free housing, free personal training, free wardrobe, and many other benefits already by being on the team. With that comes responsibility to live a little better and be a role model (sorry Sir Charles). That said, I believe every offense should be made public and dealt with in a transparent manner. Enforcement will bring about a different culture in the long run. This pattern of "handling things in house" by FSU (and tOSU) will only lead to more transgressions IMO

"It's all ball bearings these days guys"

+1 HS
ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Rules?  We don't need no stinkin' rules!

Class of 2010.

DC-town's picture

Fair point bakerjon, but we also like to think 'our team' is above some of that.  Osu players are revered as well, but that sexual assault case is terrible...I hunk fsu is the scum of the earth for how they handled that- how there were not mass firings in the tpd is beyond me...then watch Winston at the acc media days, hard not to wish ill on the dude 

all players are going to get some superstar treatment but I like that Meyer has demonstrated a zero tolerance policy on respecting women so far, OSU fans should take pride in that-

les miles approach...ill let his teammates vote, auburn, fsu ' we handled it inhouse' 

'Piss excellence' -RB

DC-town's picture

And Tressel screwed up when he signed off to the NCAA of not knowing about violations, but watching a guy like that get burned at the stake while we watch these sec clowns blatantly disregard a wide variety of flimsy NCAA rules is irritating-

Colin cowherd had a nice dialogue about 'the guy that cheats on his wife once always gets caught...doesn't know how to do it, the guys that cheats all the time is a pro, never gets caught.

Aside of univ of Arkansas, pretty accurate

'Piss excellence' -RB

OnlyOne's picture

I don't know about the rest of you, but I grew up inpp a neighborhood where most the parents did not care who knew how their child was punished.  In fact I think they wanted every one to know that the behavior in question was unacceptable and would not be tolerated.  In fact, most would punish any kid in the neighborhood if they saw them do something.  You would get it double when you got home and then have to go apologize to the other parents.  My brother got caught drinking in Huston Woods State Park.  He had to clean fault toilets for the next two weeks.  Most of the kids in the neighborhood turned out to be pretty good adults.  It was a great place and time to grow up!

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Go1Bucks's picture

Winston is a rapist and a thief. He will get whats coming to him, as he has no ability to police his actions and no repercussions as of yet. Wonder what the next step will be to earn his due. 

Go Bucks!

seafus26's picture

Come on y'all, don't we remember Papa Winston explained to us, it's the institution's fault; not his son's?

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!