The Silent War

February 10, 2013 at 12:24p    by Ramzy Nasrallah    
60 Comments

From the day he took the Ohio State job, Meyer looked like the best candidate out there to end the SEC’s national championship streak. After all, he was the one who started it with Florida in 2006.

Expect him to get his chance. Just don’t expect him to admit that he’s “declaring war on Alabama.” Even if he is.

“No, absolutely not,” he said to the Alabama question. “We have one rival, and that rival was dictated many, many years ago. One rival, and that rival is clear.”

Please. Michigan was no match for Ohio State last season. Or for Alabama, either.

The Wolverines were nothing more than a sparring partner for the Buckeyes and the Crimson Tide. At least until their inevitable heavyweight championship bout to come.


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Kevbo714's picture

Yes, please... 

Tom Crean listens to Nickelback...

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

We loathe Michigan. I don't hate Bama, but I do severly dislike Satan, er, I mean Saban. Unethical slimeball. Going to enjoy watching us thump the Stinkweasels then tell the SEC to go shove it.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I don't mind Saban. He prevented  Notre Dame from winning a NC. That makes me happy.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

btalbert25's picture

Isn't everything about NCAA football pretty much unethical?  I like Urban and I liked JT, but half their job is basically a glorified used car salesman. 

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Saying OSU will thump Bama is a whole lot like the MGoBloggers saying Mich will thump OSU. It's so unrealistic, it comes off as pathetic. Sorry, I'm trying not to offend you, and I'm definitely not saying you're pathetic. But saying we'll "thump" the best team in college football coached by the best coach in college football (until proven otherwise) reeks of desperation to regain past glory. If we claw out a victory the way we clawed out the 2002 NC game, I'll be extatic. Saban isn't Tressel, so don't expect a repeat of 2006 NC game with Bama playing OSU's role and OSU playing Florida's.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Saban won big at huge powerhouse programs down south, I am not so sure that he could have done that at other places.  If you just look at his resume at msu than Dantonio has a better resume.  I'm not saying that Saban isn't a great coach, its just that he can't do more with less.

 
btalbert25's picture

Was LSU really a powerhouse before he got there though?  I know they had some history, but he made LSU what they are today.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

I suppose that it's a fair point, he also didn't win immediately at lsu so maybe that is why.  I do have to say that they were kind of a sleeping giant though.

 
Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Alabama wouldn’t have played for the title if Ohio State had been smarter and self-imposed a bowl ban the year before with NCAA sanctions coming

 
Here we go again with this stupid assumption.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

BuckGnome's picture

Might be an assumption, but a plausable one at that.  That blurb in the article certainly reflects my thoghts on the matter.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I don't understand why. A 6-6 team self-imposing a bowl ban would mean what exactly? Ohio State sitting out of a bowl game would not have silenced the fake outrage. The response would have been, "You only took the ban because your team was sucked this year.".

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

BuckGnome's picture

Yes, exacly.  A 6-6 team not going to a bowl.  Big freaking deal.  There was basically nothing to lose by imposing a ban at some point during that season.  Had the NCAA then made it a 2yr post season ban, so what.
 

WildBear Buckeye's picture

I'm assuming the assumption you're talking about is "had OSU self-imposed a ban in 2011, there wouldn't have been a ban 2012"? I agree, that's far from clear.
I'm completely fine with the bowl ban this year, actually. We would have gone to the NC to play ND, and I'm not at all confident we could have beaten them. Losing the NC game to ND would have been beyond miserable. Watching ND get stomped in the dirt by Bama was kinda fun. And let's face it, the more deserving team won.

BuckGnome's picture

I'll take the opportunity to play for all the marbles.  They don't come around very often.  The '02 team ceartainly faced bigger odds vs Miami than the '12 squad vs ND.

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Fair enough, the opportunities don't come around often. 2002 Miami certainly was much better (and much more hyped) than 2012 ND, but I think 2002 OSU was better than 2012 OSU too. Yes, there were also a lot of close games, but I'm much more comfortable with close, low scoring games, than with close, high scoring games. Defense wins championships and all that. In retrospect, the 2006 Mich game might have been a harbinger of things to come.

BuckGnome's picture

I'm on board with you about the '02 Bucks being a much better team than the '12 Bucks.
To tell you the truth, I was always concerned with the '06 defense throughout that season.  Although they were very good on paper, at least until the last two games, they were not the caliber of group that the '05 defense was.  The '05 D was a championship level bunch. 
 
 
 
 

1stYrBuckIClub's picture

Up vote not only for the gif but also for the icon change!

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

You should start a new thread about Morpheus ;)

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

BuckeyeVet's picture

@Bucksfan - Is that a new icon?

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx

 

puff daddy's picture

lets not wish for this right away.bama and florida lsu s caralina got it.
the last thing i want is to get blown out again.Oline is OK..good enough to challege just mentioned D fronts?add in, we need to see how our revamped  Dline and backers roll in 13
one sure  proven bet is only shanzier.not enough to stick our chests out yet.
lets be humble people.lot has to play out here.

knucklehead

cplunk's picture

Bama is special. 
Lsu? Florida? You're telling me we can't do what Clemson and Louisville can do. I don't have any fear that we can win those games. South Carolina? They were one play from losing to TSUN. We are much more than one play better than TSUN.
i agree with not counting your chickens before they hatch, but nobody other than Bama in the SEC worries me. I know we can play with and beat any of those others- this isn't 2006 and 2007 anymore.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

brumon's picture

This shows up like on every other thread, but it never gets old. Thanks and keep it up guys!

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Absolutely love that, thanks for posting it (again)!

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Thanks to Bama winning it all again, it's recyclable

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

Buckeye Beast's picture

I actually do hate Bama. The most arrogant, entitled fans in the Ncaa. Has anyone else but me realized how ignorant they are, & how much sh*t they talk about us? Always calling us "Slohio" & the "suckeyes". Talking about Urban Meyer having heart attacks & how they can't wait to see it again. They have Trey Depreist & now they go & get Robert Foster. I won't be surprised to see Marshon Lattimore get offered, but they insist that we don't have the talent to compete with them up here.

It's 5 o'clock somewhere, & Michigan still sucks

cplunk's picture

A Bama fan told me Friday that if we get a few more recruiting classes like that one, if we can do it consistently "like the SEC", then we will be on our way towards "becoming a strong team."
He was dead serious too. 
Theres another Bama fan at work who likes to talk about how the SEC has "always" been the strongest conference. When I point out actual historical win-loss records, actual non-Bama championship numbers, and actual bowl records, he gets a look on his face like I have when I tell my nephew not to try to put his tongue in the electrical outlet.
i had an LSU fan tell me the SEC doesn't have to play home and homes, because when you've always been the champ people have to come to you.
i had a Florida fan tell me that the playoffs would have to be expanded to eight eventually, because either four or six should be all SEC teams.
seriously. It's Saban, Meyer, Miles and Meyers recruit that stole a laptop. Three guys. Not SEC speed, not a different level of competition, three specific guys. Three guys that all happened to be in the same conference at the same time.
i cannot wait to play an SEC team in a championship game. I watched Clemson, Louisville, TSUN, and Nebraska in bowls, and the SEC gap is a myth. It's a Bama gap.
Just a Bama gap. And I can't wait for Meyer to get a chance to end it.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Here's an illustration of a Bama gap:

JollyFatMan's picture

If I could upvote this 100 times, I would. 

How firm thy friendship..

HighBallAce's picture

Dude, SERIOUSLY, none of that stuff matters until Ohio State actually plays in and wins another National Championship! Otherwise, the SEC kinda has a right to run their mouths until we knock them off their perch.

cplunk's picture

That's my point- "the SEC" doesn't have the right to run their mouths because "they" aren't on their perch.
just Bama. That's your champ, just Bama.
Whens the last time Florida won without Meyer? Auburn won because Meyers recruit stole a laptop. Meyer isn't at Florida anymore.
LSU? Sure, you can talk a little, but it's been how long since they won a title? Years.
the other teams in the SEC, what perch are they on, exactly? Check their out of conference record and bowl record.
Saban, Meyer, Miles. It isn't rocket science. 

causeicouldntgo43's picture

As Fonzie would say, "correctomoondo".  You nailed it.

BED's picture

CPlunk is right.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Buckeye Beast's picture

I should have expanded my explanation to include the SEC as a whole, just at the moment the comments at the bottom of the Bama article got me. All of it gets old. As much as I respect Jim Tressel, Urban Meyer is a whole different animal. He's the man who started it all. Urban Meyer is taking Bama's early build up approach with a vengence. We have something to prove, I'm just inpatient waiting for the day it happens.

It's 5 o'clock somewhere, & Michigan still sucks

Knarcisi's picture

I remember a short 10 years ago when Bama sucked. I remember in the 90s when USC sucked. Oh, they suck again. Slippery Pete. 

HighBallAce's picture

Sorry, I know it's off topic but your comment reminds me of my little girl. She had a hard time with her "S's" and when she would say sloppy joe, it came out sounding like something Sylvester would say. She came home from school one day all distressed saying how the other kids were making fun of her because she had a hard time saying sloppy joe in the lunch room. So I told her just call them "messy petes" instead! Every time she would have one of her friends over they would ask if we could make messy petes....lol Sorry I know it's silly, just made me smile!

hail2victors9's picture

@ Buckeybeast (way up there)
Ah, so the King fanbase of nickname dishing doesn't like a taste of its own medicine?  If you haven't realized it, OSU fans have a nickname for nearly everyone.  About 34 for Michigan, alone.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

Doc's picture

You're right Fail.  If we can dish it out, we better as hell be able to take it. "Slohio" is my favorite. 

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

The first time someone said Ohio State Suckeyes to me, I actually Laughed out Loud for a while.  Even though it's not too hard to come up with, I thought it was quite original and funny, and I had never thought of it before.

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

I've hated Nick Saban ever since 1998. I dont want to talk about it.
 
 

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Thanks for reminding me. A magical season, brought down in its prime. At least we got the satisfaction of bashing Meatchicken's head in at the end of the season.

Buckeyejason's picture

All this talk is cute and all but lets wait and see how 2013 plays out before we stick our chests out and think we are the kings of college football. Alot of momentum from the  2012 season going into Sep but ALOT of things need to improve and ALOT can happen before the end of the 2013 season.

Please. Michigan was no match for Ohio State last season. Or for Alabama, either.

This is a bit ridiculous as well. I mean the game went all the way until late in the 4th..lets not fool ourselves.

BUCKEYES BABY!

puff daddy's picture

the one fact is this.We win-no problem.    Our track record is 0-2 in our most recent trips,and blowouts at that.  we lost numerous times in conference to keep trophies out of the case as well.
arragance is the one thing that pisses me off about fanbases of other teams. lets not go down that path. 
i love whats happening here and we have a great group of coaches.
meyer is aware of the competition and where we need to be.SEC is a crapshoot every year as who represents them.I hope were up to the task.
another aspect of lasts years team was not having that presure of being eligible. all they had to do is go out and play.Next year they will have that.
I hope it is bama.But i sure as shit dont just want to wear the lead in matchup t shirt of the event.i want to wear the championship shirt.and i don't want to be out of a game halfway through the 2nd period.

knucklehead

cajunbuckeye's picture

"not having the pressure of being elgible" You've got me stumped on that one. Not having anything to play for makes it easier to win? If I can grasp this concept, I'll change the employee/employer dynamic for all time.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Doc's picture

Just win and let things sort themselves out. Knowing who you need to beat is half the battle. Urbz knows what he is doing.

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

Are we certain that Bama even makes it next year? They lose 3 O-lineman from last year's team.  I mean I know they reload talent, but losing a guy like Barret Jones isn't easy to replace.  They lose guys from their defensive secondary too.  They'll be damn good again, but will they be better than last year?  Better than Texas A&M? I don't know. 
They go to A&M week 2 after playing a game with Va Tech week one.  They get LSU at home but have to go to Mississippi State.  If they make it through that slate with 0 or 1 loss then they do deserve to go to the title game again.  I'm just not sure if they'll get there. 

WildBear Buckeye's picture

I think this is where being in the SEC hurts them. It's WAY easier for OSU to go undefeated than it is for Bama, even if Bama is a slightly better team. If the BXII or P12 champion goes undefeated in addition to OSU (also easier than going undefeated in the SEC), a one loss SEC champion gets left out. Recall that the majority of SEC nat. champs during their current run have been teams with at least one loss, though last year was a special case obviously. Of course last year OK State lost a game they had no business losing, which allowed that travesty to take place. Same with K-State and Oregon this year.

Yamosu's picture

Bama, not Bama, lets just kick the crap out of everyone.

HighBallAce's picture

I think we need to consistently beat the Texas' and the USC's before we even consider saying we can compete with Alabama! The fact of the matter is, we are still a couple years away from that! BuckeyeJason is right, we are kidding ourselves to say we beat Michigan easily. I realize I'll get downvoted for this but whoever is serving up the Koolaide needs to put a little less sugar in it! I truly hope I'm wrong and next year we win it all but I don't think I am. Yeah, we'll have a very good offense but the defense will be very very young and unfortunatly Alabama's offense and defense are BOTH well established.

WildBear Buckeye's picture

You mean beat the Texas' and USC's of 2007-2009? Because 1) that's not nearly as much of feat now, and 2) I'm not convinced Bama now is THAT much better than the best USC teams under Carroll. Those were monsters. He just couldn't keep them quite as focused as Saban keeps Bama.

BoFuquel's picture

Keep calm and BUCK"EM all. GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

UrbzRenewal's picture

The National Championship falls on my 21st birthday. You damn well know I'll be out in Pasadena cheering us on. Vamos Bucks!

BoFuquel's picture

I'm going to violate my Cardinal Rule and make a 2nd comment.Remember it was the votes of Hoke, Bielema,B. Kelly and DeRuyter that cost U.F. Meyer an extra $100,00.00 bunus from TOSU this past season, by letting Oregon finish ahead of us in The AP Poll.If things were going on as in a normal year those votes would have kept us out of the NCG also.I don't think The Illicit Urb is making any new friends in the coaching ranks,so look for the same kind of voting pattern this season.That would put in The Rose Bowl for sure, but probably on 1-1-2014 against Stainferd,or whomever finishes 2nd in the PAC 12.Are you angry enough yet? GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

WildBear Buckeye's picture

I don't think the way the rankings worked out this year is in any way indicative of what would have happened were OSU bowl eligible. As it was, OSU was an afterthought. Who cares about the final rankings anyway? But I will not believe it possible to keep an undefeated OSU team out of the NCG - no matter the competition - until I see it happen. No matter who else is undefeated. Certainly not behind any one loss team. It's simply a question of money.

Knarcisi's picture

Man, I opened this thread thinking it was about deadly farts. Must be Saban I smelled. 

MN Buckeye's picture

Is Saban even 5 feet tall?  He looks like a dwarf next to Urb

btalbert25's picture

Why shouldn't we aim for Bama.  At the end of last season, what team other than Bama would we have lost to?  I certainly think we could of beat Notre Dame.  K-State proved to not be elite.  Stanford wasn't great.  I believe we would of competed just fine with Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia.  The teams I think probably beat us last year at the end of the seas were Bama, A&M, and Oregon.  Then again, Oregon struggles to beat teams who punch them in the mouth.  I don't think our D would of been good enough for Oregon though. 
So, in the absence of any real elite teams in America outside of Alabama, I think we definitely need to set our sights on the team who is number 1, and king right now.  Things change quickly in college sports.  It's Meyer's 2nd year.  He ALWAYS improves in year 2.  Braxton is going to be better, the offense will be better.  It's perfectly reasonable to believe Ohio State can be the 2nd best team in America next year assuming Bama is still the best.  
Meyer wants his staff to be better than Bama's staff every day.  He demands himself being better than Saban every day, I'm sure he demands his players be better than theirs every day. If he is preaching this mantra to his staff and team every day, why shouldn't we?

WildBear Buckeye's picture

We could beat anyone, including Bama. I think we would have lost to more than just Bama, where by would I actually mean we'd be more likely to lose than to win. It's really hard to say with ND, since they won so many close games, including against inferior opponents (Michigan, Pitt). Not sure about Stanford either. But I think we'd have been underdogs against K-State, Oregon, Florida, SCAR, Georgia, and A&M.

Dougger's picture

reading the comments from that article is a bit pathetic. they sure got a lot of trollin to do from the top.

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