Tweet of the Year

January 17, 2013 at 1:55p    by Alex    
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CanadianBuckeye's picture

Sorry, I am at work now and have been trying to follow this story as much as possible, but my firewall won't let me read this page.  Could anyone tell me what the Tweet says?  Or if it is an actual full article I would have to read in order to understand it let me know and I will be patient and wait until home to check it out (and by that I mean I will eventually use my poor smartphone to look it up, which will take forever).
 
Cheers to who ever is friendly enough to help out.

slippy's picture

Trump congratulates the writers for exposing the "Te'o fiasco"
 
Deadspin replies: Go fuck yourself.

CanadianBuckeye's picture

Haha... Thank you Slippy.  You are a gentleman (or gentlewoman) and a scholar!

Alhan's picture

Off-topic:  I've been watching Trailer Park Boys on Netflix and was extremely close to going to find myself a Bubbles avatar.  I don't think I could do any better than the double cats on shoulders you currently have, and thus, salute you!  Have a sticker.
Edit:  Should have continued reading and joined the conversation below :P

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

CanadianBuckeye's picture

Way she goes boys... way she goes.
 
Bubs is my dude, I met Mike Smith a couple of times when they were doin their standup tours over the years.  TPB for life!

BROSEPH's picture

Basically Ricky is Deadspin and Mr. Lahey is Donald Trump.  
"Knock knock"
"Who's there Rick?"
 

Doc's picture

Couldn't be any more clear than that Bubbles.

"Say my name."

buckeyedude's picture

Trump paid them a compliment, and they responded like a child. Actually, most children behave better than that.
They responded like a spoiled brat with a foul mouth.

 

 

penult's picture

Trump paid them a compliment

Nope, see Ramzy's comment below.  It was an attention whore trying to get attention not a normal person paying someone a compliment.
 
Being an adult, means having the mental capacity to rationalize what is right and what is wrong, and not blindly believing that something is always wrong in all cases.
 

Rooster Buckburn's picture

Hardly see that as tweet of the year.

William's picture

Yeah I don't quite see that as professional, or as the "tweet of the year." Unless Trump was patronizing them? 

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I see it as a genuine compliment with a response that is both is juvenile and asinine.  If they don't like Trump, the classy thing would have been to just ignore it.  
If this tweet had been directed to the the likes of Michael Moore would it still have been labeled 'tweet of the year'?

onetwentyeight's picture

It's not the political bias that makes it "awesome" of "tweet of the year". It's the obliviousness of Trump to congratulate a site that's so obviously known to be the opposite of/ hostile to his ... er... viewpoints. 
Like if Moore RTed World Net Daily with a "good story!" and they told him to "F*ck off". Same sort of LULZ ensue. 
Not everything is the result of political #BIAS

Rooster Buckburn's picture

Understood - I get Deadspins response. But Nate Erickson, the writer for GQ magazine, who declared it the 'tweet of the year' is what I'm calling into question.  Btw, If you go to Erickson's twitter account you'll see there seems to be some political motivation for him indeed.

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

I see it as a genuine compliment 

Nope. It's a renown attention whore attaching himself to the story of the day and promptly being told to go fuck himself. His political leanings are irrelevant.

"Genuine" plus "Donald Trump" = 404 ERROR

Rooster Buckburn's picture

There's no argument that Trump is a showman and loves the attention attached to big breaking stories.  Still the classy and professional thing would have been just to ignore it.

buck-I.8's picture

How often do you read deadspin? They're extremely satirical. This does nothing but continue to sell their brand as they intend it

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm not getting the satirical humor of the "go fuck yourself" line. I bet that it'll be really funny once you explain it to me.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Deadspin is neither classy nor professional, and they don't claim to be.
Google "Deadspin Brett Favre" or "Deadspin Stuart Scott". 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Ramzy: let's assume that when Party A tells another Party B to go fuck himself, almost always Party A believes Party B to have bad characteristic(s) [fill in the blanks . . . attention whore, d-bag, etc.]. We've all told someone to go fuck himself and we've all had our reasons.
Not all of us, however, have used one of our organization's/company's primary PR/marketing resources to tell that someone to go fuck himself. Whatever Donald Trump is, is completely irrelevant to the question of whether of the words "Go Fuck Yourself" should ever appear on the company's letterhead, so to speak.

luckynewman13's picture

good god, it's deadspin for crissakes.
what next? are we going to complain about the Onion and their misleading headlines?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm confused. Didn't Deadspin break the Teo story? But we're not supposed to take them seriously, so maybe their Teo story is satire, too? Oh wait, no, it is a serious story, so sometimes we do need to take Deadspin seriously.
I think I got it: we're supposed to take them seriously when that suits them, but laugh off other stuff as "that's just those crazy Deadspin guys" when that suits them better, instead. Okay.

luckynewman13's picture

We get it, you like Donald Trump.
Deadspin's dislike of him says nothing about you.
But to act all indignant about Deadspin's lack of "professionalism" just displays complete ignorance over how they've always operated.
Deadspin has always mocked other media outlets like ESPN and their obsession with this idea of "professionalism".
Deadspin will do some great reporting then spit in your eye, this is nothing knew. Don't like it? Don't read it.

luckynewman13's picture

One could say it was ESPN's, SI's, and CBS's obsession with professionalism that let this story get out of hand. Nobody asked any follow up questions, nobody wanted to ruffle any feathers, everyone was trying to be nice.
Sometimes the truth needs a heroic douchebag.
 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Lucky: I don't like Trump at all. Another of my dislikes is the general state of the media, not including 11W and other stellar exceptions.
And I never read Deadspin. Now, thanks to your advice, I'll continue not reading Deadspin.
As a non-reader of Deadspin who doesn't give a damn about Deadspin, I also never urged Deadspin to act "professionally." Usually, if you're trying to urge better behavior from someone who makes big public "go fuck yourself" statements, you start by seeing if you can get him/her to simply not be blantantly crude. For that kind of student, "professionalism" is out of the question, I agree.  
I don't need to read Deadspin to have an opinion on organization-X tweeting, "go fuck yourself." The tweet speaks for itself. It's not a good "argument" when it's coming from one party, but a bad "argument" when used by another.

buck-I.8's picture

So your a perfect embodiment of a person that didn't read it before, didn't like the tweet, and won't read it now. The point is, you weren't going to read it anyway. And these being the views of the blog and not my own; since you aren't reading their blog, your opinion means nothing to them.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Buck-I.8: I wasn't grumbling about the tweet in an effort to start a boycott Deadspin. Maybe their web traffic will go up in the future for this and a hundred other reasons; maybe it won't.
I was merely suggesting that the tweet was bad form - I don't care what organization tweeted it.

luckynewman13's picture

That's fine, I see what your saying.
And if that kind of writing isn't your thing then I would highly suggest you stay clear.
But did you read the Te'o article? If yes, did you find it worth reading?
Does this tweet change your perception of that article? Will it prevent you from reading further Deadspin articles, even if they are as expertly researched as the Te'o one?
I'm starting to sound like a Deadspin salesman, lol (this article is actually the first Deaspin post I've read in weeks). But I'm just having trouble understanding what the big deal is.
Everyone is mad at Deadspin for doing something crass (that's fine), but where's the outrage at every single other news outlet for completely abdicating their responsibility in this entire fiasco?
I'm just saying I would gladly take an MSNBC/CNN/FOX/ESPN/CBSSPORTS News channel that told people to "fuck themselves" and did some real reporting over what they give us now.
 

USMC11917's picture

Run-Fido   "I'm confused. Didn't Deadspin break the Teo story? But we're not supposed to take them seriously, so maybe their Teo story is satire, too? Oh wait, no, it is a serious story, so sometimes we do need to take Deadspin seriously.
I think I got it: we're supposed to take them seriously when that suits them, but laugh off other stuff as "that's just those crazy Deadspin guys" when that suits them better, instead. Okay.

 
Damn... on fire son!

penult's picture

More like full of logical fallacy, son! Why does Deadspin have to take Donald Trump seriously in order to be taken seriously? In fact, given the ridiculousness of Trump's actions, behavior, persona, etc., it would be more logical to assert a news organization who takes Trump seriously should not be taken seriously.

William's picture

Could you show me the last time The Onion said "Fuck you" to someone on Twitter? Look, I don't like Trump, but that doesn't take away from the entire hypocritical situation that everyone here is applauding. We should celebrate them for their serious investigative journalism and take their Manti Te'o report as valid, but then once they tell a polarizing figure to fuck off on Twitter, we should applaud them for their comical approach and nonsensical attitude? So we should take them seriously when it best suits them, and not take them so seriously when it best suits them? Really? People mention that Eleven Warriors broke the Urban Meyer hiring; so to the staff of Eleven Warriors, because you are a blog and not a "professional news-source" would you have thought it proper to tell someone like Mark May or Desmond Howard (any polarizing sports analyst really) "Fuck You" on Twitter with your official letterhead attached to that tweet? It doesn't matter if Deadspin is a primarily satirical organization, this move was crass and stupid. 
 Hodge, of course the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal wouldn't do this. They're respectable news organizations (probably the last two in the United States) and wouldn't pull a stunt like this. 

buck-I.8's picture

William, no one is telling you to applaud them. If you don't appreciate Deadspin being Deadspin, that's totally fine. I highly doubt there was any normative intent behind posting this as a buckshot, so it's really not a big deal. Maybe the move was crass and stupid, but they often make their money by being crass and stupid, and frankly, they really want to give off the "we don't give a shit" attitude while still getting people to pay attention to well researched journalism. In the past two days, they've done both perfectly, and just like ESPN, everything they do is for your attention as a viewer. We're all talking about the tweet, be positively or negatively, but it's getting our attention nonetheless. Deadspin is achieving, in effect, exactly what they intend to.

William's picture

My problem is more so with people treating their work as canon, than it is with their "in your face" mentality, which I admittedly find stupid for any news organization. The move was crass, but if that is Deadspin's schtick then fine, so be it, but people applauding them for this tweet, hence why it was called "tweet of the year", is moronic. Of course their end game is viewers, but I'd much rather see a news organization gain attention through quality reporting (NYT/WSJ), than juvenile remarks on a social network. 

hodge's picture

PR rule number one: there is no such thing as bad publicity.

buck-I.8's picture

They wouldn't have had anyone's attention were it not for the previous bout of quality reporting, that's the point. Step one was to take the national stage. Step two is to proliferate your image. It's not like it was internationally deemed the "best tweet ever", it was just called that by some fans, who are entitled to their subjectivity. Again, you don't have to like it at all, but that doesn't mean no one is allowed to.

William's picture

Again, there lies my problem, people are treating it like it was a solid or quality move. Admittedly I have sparingly read Deadspin, and don't plan on doing so again. I have a problem with people supporting such a move. But like you've pointed out, those are their opinions, and I have my own. I'd just like to see a news organization report quality material (which Deadspin has done), and leave it at that, void of any secondary move where they establish their organization's schitck or attitude. 
Hodge, I hate that adage about publicity. There can certainly be bad publicity, just ask Gene Smith. 

buck-I.8's picture

The goal of PR is to convey the image that you want to convey to your audience.  They did exactly that. That's a solid PR move for them, whether you endorse it or not.

hodge's picture

Gene may have barey made it through Tatgate; but on a national level, he's also the head of an Athletic Department that successfully sidestepped a potential atom bomb by hiring the absolute best available coach, taking the team to an undefeated season, and also is now presiding over the largest Compliance department in the nation.  At least at this moment, Ohio State's athletic department hasn't looked this solid and secure in years.
It's all about the angle, man.  Hell, the poster child for bad publicity a few years back was Tiger Woods, seems that he's completely rejuvenated his image and now has people rooting for him again.  It's all about how you spin it; control the perception, control the opinion.

hodge's picture

@WILLIAM - It's a calculated publicity stunt.  They did it because the vast majority of their fanbase will approve of this; it's the very attitude that their blog embodies, and in my opinion is as genuine a response as they could have provided.  
There's a fantastic book by Christopher Buckley (author of the equally awesome Thank You for Smoking) where a jaded PR Specialist (and incendiary anti-Social Security blogger) becomes a key member of an upstart senator's Presidential campaign.  Being the candidate of the angry youth, they engineer a stunt where he tells the incumbent President to "shut the fuck up" during a televised debate.  The whole point was to drum up interest in his campaign, and produce a controversial response that's wholly catered to their target audience.  Deadspin's response is almost a carbon copy.  They spend a lot of their time eviscerating dudes like Trump with wreckless abandon, why not tell him to fuck off when he tries to attach himself to their work?
Blogs don't have to play by the rules of "traditional media", and that's part of what makes them so great.  They don't give a damn for pre-established rules, and don't want to be seen as a "traditional media" outlet; they exist outside the bounds of traditional pre-established norms, and let their work speak for itself.
I couldn't care less if they present themselves professionally, there's no getting around the fact that they produce quality work, and that speaks far louder than any "manufatured controversy" tweet could.
**EDIT: in other words, what Buck-I.8 said haha.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Hodge: you're making a compelling argument for why such a tweet might be profitable, not that it's good form. My standards of appropriateness are not determined by whether they're consistent with Deadspin's business model. For all I know, Deadspin will triple their average page hits by doing podcasts of cats being catapulted into swimming pools, but I don't approve of such tactics (unless it involves my former roomate's evil cat that crapped on my pillow).   

hodge's picture

I guess my point is that profit will always Trump subjective approval of its content (see what I did there, TRUMP?).  While many may be taken aback, it also drums up interest--and such interest (especially when coupled with the fact that they produced the article) will almost always prove a solid business decision.

luckynewman13's picture

"So we should take them seriously when it best suits them, and not take them so seriously when it best suits them?"
No we should take them seriously because what they reported was, you know, true.
If them publicly telling Donald Trump to go fuck himself makes you take Deadspin less seriously, then fine, write them a letter outlining your dissatisfaction and see how that works out.
Last time I checked being a dick to someone doesn't change the truth.
Deadspin reported and released a big story, they did it their way and now that they are firmly planted in the public consciousness we should expect them to clean up their act and become stand up "newsmen"?
Sorry, there are plenty of options for that kind of "reporting". Deadspin has a niche that they exploit well and they should only change if it suits their interests. Once again, don'like it? Don't read it.
They have zero fucks to give because...IT'S DEADSPIN

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Lucky: when you suggest that arguments/reports/facts speak for themselves, I agree with you (up to a point, anyway, without getting into a deep philosophical discussion).
Okay, then, the "go fuck yourself" tweet "report" also speaks for itself. We should take the public statement (in this case, a pure opinion) expressed in the tweet seriously because it's true that they tweeted it. 
And, likewise, I agree that the Deadspin article speaks for itself. If it's true, it's true. 
The reason that a media group like Deadspin might care about whether readers take them seriously or not is not because people taking them seriously will make any of their already published reports more or less true; but because how consumers perceive their level of seriousness might impact whether they read the article in the first place. This seems to be no problem for them, as they're making out like bandits, but I'm just trying to clarify your logic.

hodge's picture

@FIDO - I think BUCK-I.8 is on point, here.  Deadspin makes their bones by being completely irreverant and in-your-face, their response to Trump was completely within the bounds of their positioning.  It may not have been nice, but it's not like Deadspin really aligns their blog to the idea of "professional relationships" with those whom they hate.  
This wouldn't have been an appropriate response for the New York Times, but I think this further hammers home the point that while blogs operate outside the bounds of traditional "professional" journalism, their contributions to the field shouldn't be discounted because of it.  After all, it was Eleven Warriors that was able to break the Urban Meyer hiring before anyone else; much to the chagrin of all the "professional" media outlets (see Hunter, Bob).  Now, it's not like anyone on staff told him to go fuck himself, but it's not like it was ignored, either.  I'd also argue that  Eleven-Dub carries a less "in your face" mentality than Deadspin.

NW Buckeye's picture

Hodge, I've said this before, and I will say it again - you rock!   Thanks for your input on this topic.  As usual, your take is right on the mark (at least from my point of view).  Several upvotes to you good sir!

Jason Priestas's picture

The only thing I'll add is that Trump only got one of the two writers' names correct. Could have also played into Deadspin's response.

buckeyedude's picture

Maybe their feelings were hurt? Trump is the bigger/better man, IMHO. Too much fucking vulgarity nowadays.

 

 

Poison nuts's picture

We can agree on this: there is a shitload of vulgarity out there...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Killer nuts's picture

The string of comments that took place replying to your comment is why I am proud to be an Eleven warriors member and also an excellent example of how the up/down vote system should work. There was a clearly stated difference of opinion in those commenting and rather than the two sides engaging in a down vote and name-calling battle they instead actually discussed their thoughts and both sides collected a large amount more upvotes for their participation than down votes for their differing opinions. BRAVO to all involved

Poison nuts's picture

This is entertainment.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

GoBucks713's picture

*slow clap*
 

-The Aristocrats!

Denny's picture

I like that they're both verified accounts so we can believe it's really them making the tweets.

Taquitos.

Enzo's picture

Everything on the Internet is true. Ask Manti.

jestertcf's picture

I'm a french model.
BONJOUR!!!

~Because we couldn't go for three~

USMC11917's picture

Want to have an Internet relationship? I always wanted date a foreign gal. We never have to meet and feel free to lie about your looks and sex. I'm just going to kill you off to my friends in a couple years.

UrbanWoodrowEarlTressel's picture

meh - I found this kind of stupid. Not because I like Trump, (I do), just because it's pretty immature and bitter by Deadspin. Makes them look like a bunch of kids. Tasteless.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I guess you don't read Deadspin much then, cause that's part of their schtick.

buck-I.8's picture

This is pure gold

kr66osu's picture

I love you Deadspin

Alex's picture

I just thought it was amusing

Doc's picture

Laughed, it was funny.  An attention whore getting some much needed pub.

"Say my name."

buck-I.8's picture

I wanted to share this with people that haven't read it, or would like to know a little more about what this is about. This is extremely sarcastic, dry, and cutting, but at the heart of all the wit, there exists an extremely pervasive point about athletes' roles in societal viewpoints. It's also one of the best written articles I've read on deadspin, and I think people should read it.
http://deadspin.com/5976386/lance-armstrongs-biggest-crime-was-being-a-huge-asshole

Poison nuts's picture

Great read - thanks for the link.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

bukyze's picture

Different strokes for different folks.  Simple as that.

Pam's picture

I actually spit out my diet coke when I read it. If you read Deadspin regularly as I do, the tweet comes as no surprise.  Sort of like hearing the "n" used in Tarantino films. You either get/like it or not. Personally, I think Trump is a pompous ass who deserves to be called out as often as possible.

Ahh Saturday's picture

@Fido,
Your point is thoughtful, reasonable, and well-argued, but as I read your posts I can't help but think of the Canadian Mountie from The Untouchables to which the only response is "yeah, well you're not from Chicago."

btalbert25's picture

Why should anyone be classy to Trump when he has never returned that courtesy to anyone. The guy is a tool.  I'll never forget a few years ago he wast at a Duke/UNC basketball game.  I believe it was when Deng was playing for Duke.  All he could say is he really liked number 2.  He didn't say which team and he obviously didn't know that guys name.  I honestly am not certain he could even tell you the 2 teams playing.  He is an attention whore, and knew being in the crowd would get him on TV.  My views are not even politically based.  I've thought Trump was a shitbag for a long long time, well before he started chiming in on political issues.  

William's picture

So, that makes it ok to tell someone to "Go fuck themselves" on a social network? Shit bag or not, that's in poor taste. I can understand where this is coming from as a means to garner attention, and while that may make it is a good business strategy, that does not make it proper. 

btalbert25's picture

Trump has recently made a career of disrespecting people in the media, why shoudln't he be subject to the same treatment?  He may not have said the words GO FUCK YOURSELF, but in a round about way he has said that to many people the last several years in the media. 
He's called Rosie O'Donell a fat pig in the media.
He called Karl Rove a loser 
We know all the stuff he's said about the president
There are plenty of other examples if you want more . So while his language was a little less harsh, he has done the exact same thing to people in public many many times. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

BT, you're in sizable company to make such an argument, but I've never understood it: whatever disrespectful or irresponsible things that Trump did via the media, presumably they were bad actions, which we'd recommend others not to follow. Therefore, it's also bad for Deadspin or anyone else to do likewise. Let's not all slither down to the levels of Deadspin and Donald Trump, right?    

penult's picture

Spare me the paternalistic lecture on good manners. Deadspin doesn't have to be "a good little boy" and "respect his elders." What they did is in no way like being rude to another person. Trump is a persona, he was acting like one with his tweet and he was repaid in kind. Deadspin didn't "stoop" to his level, in fact, accepting his congratulations (which was really just a way to attach himself to the big story) would have been the real way to stoop to his level. Instead, Deadspin denounced his game, and I'd rather see a news organization, blog site or otherwise, avoid someone like that at all costs.

Nappy's picture

Trump can go fuck himself.  I don't see what the big deal is.  Fuck that guy.

Fan of bacon since 1981

spacemonkey57's picture

Amen.  Nothing to do with politics, everything to do with him being a dipshit.

Bucks's picture

Dangerous to link something like this when unbias as a site.
 

Jason Priestas's picture

Only if you see politics and political agendas in everything in life. Which you shouldn't.

Killer nuts's picture

Agreed, I think this was put out there purely for entertainment without any intent of sending a political message

buck-I.8's picture

Only if nouns and adjectives are the same thing

shortbus20's picture

This is the most entertaing thread I have read in awhile.  Need more like it. Good discussion and nobody wanted to beat each other up at the end.

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burkmon's picture

Agreed.  This has been a great and entertaining thread.  I love that no one went on a down-vote frenzy and that rational disagreements/ differences in opinion were just that. 
Kudos to all who participated.
 

 

carence's picture

I don't see the big deal with what Deadspin tweeted. I thought it was hilarious and kudos to them. 
Let's say you log on to a site and decide to post your opinion or views about a topic. You put alot of thought into it, type it up and hit "post". Now, because you need affirmation that you think you're awesome, you go back to the site 2 hours later and "WHAM", you got 6 downvotes. What is your 1st thought? I'll tell you the 1st thought, "those who downvoted me can go <Insert Deadspin Tweet>. 
 

Breakawayspeed's picture

How about Deadspin investigating President Obma's "composite" girlfriends from his book "Dreams of My Father"?  Whats the difference between the lie told by M Teo and the whopper told by the leader of the free world in print? 
Maybe it's a Hawiaian thing?

Unky Buck's picture

FYI since you seemingly don't post very often and may have missed the memo...don't make politically charged posts...it just annoys the hell out of people and is even in the "don't do" category on posting comments.

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Unky Buck's picture

Trump can't be seen as a person. Like Te'o isn't seen as a person anymore. They're seen as characters and personas. This article on Grantland explains it better than I can. Take the time to read it if you haven't already. To feel sympathy for Trump because he was told to "go fuck (him)self" is like feeling bad for Tom Hanks when his character Forrest lost Jenny to AIDS. He's using his character to put his name out there and was called out for it.
On top of that, to get mad and irritated about the overall business practices of an internet site that opines itself on being crass and in your face is the same as playing the computer in chess and getting irritated that it made a move that hurt your strategy...that's the move it's expected to make so why get mad? Hate it or love it...it doesn't matter in the end as that move will be made in that position a large percentage of the time.
And not to rehash too much on what others have said already, Trump is an attention whore and was trying to get his name around this the only way he can. Also, as Jason mentioned, he also got one of the writers' names incorrect. In a not so polite way, Deadspin told him to stay away from them..so kudos to them.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Unky Buck: you're an excellent commenter, but here I wonder if either you didn't read the thread or are "talking past" it.
No one feels sorry for Trump. This point is similar to what I kept repeating throughout this thread.
No one is irritated at Deadspin, whatever the hell Deadspin is. The question is whether a major organization/company tweeting GFY is good form, or not. IMO, embracing that type of communication contributes to debasing public/civic discourse. Hodge is right that Deadspin is feeding off consumers who already embrace such tendencies, but some of us might not wish to see big public tweets like GFY to become a cultural norm - regardless of what group is sending to them to whom. Yet that's how cultural norms develop: someone does something, a bunch of people applaud it, and then the practice spreads.  
In theory, the public/civic discourse should be held to higher standards than "private" chats among friends & foes. But if anything, our culture is reversing that order. For example, here on 11W, if commenters started responding to eachother with GFY, they'd get massive downvotes and might be hit with the banhammer. I make an effort when commenting on this site - and I'm only a commenter, not representing a major company with my communications - not to use phrases like GFY in the first sentence of my comments so that such words don't appear in Recent Comments on the front page of this blog. Us blog commenters have much stricter standards than media comanies now and that's okay?

Unky Buck's picture

Thank you for the compliment, Fido.
I actually did read the whole thread. I wasn't going to but ended up getting caught up in it as it was rather interesting to read. My post ended up being in more generalitiies than it probably should've been. As reading through the thread there seemed to be a dividing line between those who didn't mind the tweet and those who did. From there, and this is purely my observation and essentially my opinion, the discussion (and it was a very good, critical discussion back and forth) became either an adulation for who Deadspin is (and even who they aren't in some posts) or a criticism for who they are. I think at that point I went off on a tangent and maybe just clumped it all together instead of focusing on any one given point just to prove my point. You definitely make some good points there so thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's all good! It's your prerogative to look at the problem in your own way. Whereas I tend to try to extract the names/authors (e.g., Deadspin and Donald Trump) from the "arguments," not everybody approaches things that way.
Take the Deadspin article on Teo, for example (which I skimmed): let's say that we didn't know who did the investigation and/or wrote/published the story. Thus, Reporters X & Y first followed whatever investigatory process - interviews, research, fact/record-checking, cross-checking, confirmations, etc. Then, Reporters X & Y wrote the story on a plain piece of white paper and dropped copies of it from the sky.
That no one knows who investigated/wrote the story actually underlines the point that the article really speaks for itself. The facts mentioned in it are either substantiated/fabricated, true/false, known/unknown regardless of who wrote it. The same reporting would not magically become better journalism (i.e., more reliable or accurate) merely by slapping the New York Times masthead on top of it instead of Deadspin.1
On other hand, if Deadspin publishes the article and it turns out that it includes serious errors, we'd never rationalize that they weren't really errors because they're coming from Deadspin.
Well, the same principle applies to arguments - they speak for themselves. In essence, Deadspin was making the argument, "It's okay for organizations to send out big public GFY tweets!" I disagree with their argument.
1 of course, some readers might be quicker to turn to the NYT for hard-hitting journalism, using their perceptions of the NYT as a journalistic authority as a shortcut for finding what's likely to be the more reliable reports, etc.; but that's all they are - shortcuts.

luckynewman13's picture

As for this: "Could you show me the last time The Onion said "Fuck you" to someone on Twitter?" 
 
Does this count? 
http://www.theonion.com/articles/when-youre-feeling-low-just-remember-il...