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Absolutely awful. My girlfriend and her family live in Steubenville and they say it has been unreal how covered up and smothered this story was in the local media until the NYtimes broke. They said it seemed like the two boys were charged and that was it. Everybody knew but no one did anything. Crazy.
Holy hell. I hadn't heard about this. Horrifying.
Had no idea about this. Did I read the two players who testified for the prosecution were suspended but no one else? And there were no underage drinking arrests? And the coach won't even look at the pictures his players posted?
Ironic that Anonymous is coming out against these boys charged with rape while they stand in support of alleged rapist Julian Assange. Hypocrite much?
To be clear, I am in no way in support of these boys. What they did was disgusting and I hope they pay for what they did. I'm just saying that it is hypocritical of Anonymous to take the stance they are taking, in my opinion.
I don't agree with them on their stance on Wikileaks, but this does fall in their wheelhouse. Anonymous is against suppression of information.
So by opposing suppression of information, they threaten to release private information about people involved with the program? This is the problem I have with these POS assclowns, Anonymous and Assange/WikiLeaks. They have no problem with waving anyone else's dirty laundry, but once they do something, like Assange allegedly raping someone, they flee and get pissy if someone dares to release something about them. They're a bunch of hypocritical pussies. /End Rant
It is also horrible to hear about the rape of these young women at the party, and the men who did commit the atrocious acts should be punished to the fullest extent. However, this is petty and not how you should go about something like this.
Sorry, just have to say one thing that irritates me about how the media treats this group: Anonymous isn't a hierarchical, organized group. At best, it is small subsets that act independently of one another. I wouldn't say necessarily that the same people who support Assange are the same people acting here. A lot of people commit acts and just claim them under the Anonymous name.
But regardless, this is a horrible act and that quote from their former player about how the girl was probably lying to avoid punishment from her parents was disgusting.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -Woody Hayes
OK, it's a subset of cells that still continuously break laws and meddle with government affairs that they have no causation for doing so. The hacking of Israeli sites during November's Pillar of Cloud operation is just one example of this. They're a bunch of morons, just like the folks at WikiLeaks, who directly endangered American troops, informants and operators.
They're hypocrites, the whole lot of them. While what the Steubenville players did was certainly atrocious, and they should certainly pay for their acts, I have no problem with how the media portrays "Anonymous", or how members on here have said they support or are linked with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.
Oh, I apologize if it seemed I was defending the group. I'm not. I just dislike that they are portrayed as some superpower group of hacking Batmans. I don't think they are the all-knowing, all-powerful "hacktivist" group they are seen as in the media, and that annoys me. I was simply trying to say that they are not this interconnected group that operates under the same desires and opinions.
And I would never defend WikiLeaks, I'm well aware of the negative consequences of that campaign.
Anonymous isn't the issue here. Stop clouding the topic.
How am I clouding the topic? Is "Anonymous" not the reported group that is threatening to release the private information of all individuals associated with the Steubenville football program? I acknowledged that the acts performed by the players involved were horrendous, but that doesn't discount the fact that what "Anonymous" is doing is entirely illegal and stupid.
Vigilantism, no matter how desired by some members of the public, is quite against the law. What Anonymous is doing in this case does bring the matter closer to the public eye, but it should not be that way. And, your comments about them are more than on target here as their action on this case is what started this thread in the first place (the premise is that this case got weirder because they got involved). We should all be outraged by what occurred, but we should be equally outraged by what Anonymous is threatening. Two wrongs do not make it right. And yes, their involvement is extremely weird because on one hand they support an accused rapist and on the other they condemn accused rapists. And this is all coming from an organization (albeit loosely bound) that thumbs their nose at the law and attempts to extort whomever they please. Definitely weird.......
its groups like annonymous that make things right in a corrupt and fucked up world (or town like steubenville).
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the world is the fucked up place it is because people like william have the mentality that the citizens and general public dont deserve to know the TRUTH. You're exactly the type that would defend big tobacco and the lies they told and the secrets they kept for so many decades. How many people died from smoking because of these lies? $$$ controls you but the truth shall set you free.
I don't think it's the right of the people to know every explicit detail of what a corporation does or what our government does. Sure there should be some transparency, but WikiLeaks had no right to leak records that directly endangered American soldiers/informants. I don't care what "lies" big tobacco stated, anyone with half a brain would fucking realize that inhaling smoke isn't good for you, or maybe they just didn't care. Sorry but Anonymous is extorting completely innocent parties in hope of having a few morons say they're sorry. What justice is there in blackmailing innocents? I thought you were all for making this world a better place? Anonymous isn't making the world a better place by blackmailing innocent people.
And Dear God, you're going to blame a tobacco company for people buying their product? The tobacco companies never forced anyone to smoke a damn cigarette. Is it too much to hold people accountable for their own acts? Is it always some corporation or a government's fault? The problem isn't that people don't demand the truth, it's that people are always looking for a scapegoat instead of being held accountable for their acts.
@william(corporate brown-noser): back in the 30's, 40's, and 50's nobody but the tobacco companies knew about the dangers of smoking, the cancer or heart disease risk. How about the thousands of additives cigarettes are laced with to make people more addicted to smoking? If they warned the public about these risks it would damage their profits greatly. Are you a third grader? I really have to explain to you the world revolves around $$$,profits, greed, corruption. Time to take your naive rose-colored glasses off buddy! Oh yeah, and when something corporations are doing that is harmful to the public, you bet your ass we deserve to know every last detail!
hey RC, I dont know what fantasy land you live in but the steubenville teens videotaped raping a drunk 16 yo girl and urinating on her. I dont think assange had that kind of damning evidence against him. You dont think its within the realm of possibility that the two "unnamed" sweedish actresses could have made up those allegations? maybe paid off (or blackmailed) by the most powerful governments/corporations in the world?
I am quite firmly grounded in the real world. I'm sorry I struck a nerve by painting your hero Assange in a negative light. Of course he was set up, he would never do anything wrong or illegal, right? It was the big bad evil corporations of the world that set him up.
@RC: I guess if you knew him personally you could make the assumption that he is or isnt capable of sucha thing as rape. Why is it so hard for you to believe that powerful entities can make things happen to people they don't like? How could you be so OBTUSE?
I've been following this on reddit.com and it's just ugly. Regardless of the players innocence or guilt, it's clear that the community and authorities care more about the football program than anything. Victim blaming, threats, pitchfork-and-torch mentality, it's disgusting. This blog, http://slightlyopinionated.com/, has some testimonials and other info. I don't know who is guilty and who isn't but it does sound like Steubenville needs to get it's priorities straight at the very least.
Reminds me a lot of the Penn State mentality with some of their fans. Looking the other way, denying, blaming the victim, etc. That 27 year old assistant got me - "She's making it up, what else are you going to tell your parents after getting that drunk?" Yeah, and she just made up that story of people posting pictures of her too.
Wow that shit cray
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sure is. I hate reading about this kind of thing happening, because it means this kind of thing actually happened. Fucking bullshit actions these kids chose to do....smh.
Logic of the year from the coach: "Saccoccia, pronounced SOCK-otch, told the principal and school superintendent that the players who posted online photographs and comments about the girl the night of the parties said they did not think they had done anything wrong. Because of that, he said, he had no basis for benching those players."
So all you have to do is believe that your actions are not wrong, and that absolves you of any wrong doing. Yeah, they have a real problem in Steubenville. The players openly posted pictures of themselves at parties where underage drinking was rampant, not to mention their inaction when the girl was being abused. Similar postings (pics at drinking parties) in my area netted suspensions for any players who attended the parties.
This moron of a coach should have been fired on the spot if that's what he said to his bosses. A big part of being a coach; especially in HS is to teach and mold young people; through athletics on how to be a responsible young men. A couple of questions I have since it has been a long time since I lived in Ohio; is there a code of conduct that athletes must adhere to; including minimum GPA? And does anyone know the last time Steubenville won a state title?
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is there a code of conduct that athletes must adhere to; including minimum GPA?
is there a code of conduct that athletes must adhere to; including minimum GPA?
I remember when I played in H.S. you had to have a 2.0 GPA and could not consume alcohol, drugs or tobacco in season. If there was any evidence of use it was grounds for immediate suspension. My freshman year the entire baseball team was suspended for the season for drugs/alcohol at a party. This was in the mid-90's and I don't remember if this was OHSAA or our league/school district.
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OHSAA sets minimum academic requirements (which many schools decide to raise), but individual school districts set their own code of conducts. By the way, many code of conducts in high schools are on their way out since it is becoming hard to inforce due to litigation. I would bet your alma mater's code of conduct is no longer as punitive as it used to be.
Anyone not from that area thinks that logic is as messed up as you can get. Also, people saying she made it up...did she make up all the pictures and testimony too?
The story makes me sick to my stomach.
Coach Reno was a guy who I HAD respect for until his handling of the incident. The mentality surrounding that team is disturbing to say the least. I applaud those that have chosen to shed light on this, including the victim, who I understand disobeyed judges orders to remain silent on the case. Frankly I'm tired of reading of incidents like this particularly involving cover ups of sexual abuse.
Plain Dealer had an article on it in late August/early September. Decent read. I believe the county prosecutor was the ex-school board president and many of the police officers are Saccoccia's ex-players. Small town...Penn State scary!
Forgive me for being ignorant, but could someone fill me in on what happened? I read the article and I'm assuming that there is a cover up of this incident. Could someone clear this up for me?
It's true... We really are a bunch of nuts!
Here's a link to a previous NY Times story about the case.
I have straight up had a family friend from Stubenville say that this girl didn't need any drugs to do what happened to her. I then read the tweets from the players. Needless to say he looked like an ass and I no longer have any respect for him.
While I'm not an anonymous lover, screw anyone that could cover this up.
Don't know how closely people are following, but I saw this on CNN the other day. That link above provides some more details, and the videos on the left shed some more light, specifically the attorney for the defense saying his client got a text from the alleged victim that said she knew it wasn't him or something to that effect.
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