PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
I would take this move. Anyone know how credible this guy is?
Don't know his credibility, but knowing Ga Tech was rumored to have an offer a few weeks back and also knowing the B1G wants that VA market I wouldn't be shocked about this. Usually, there's some truth to these rumors. It may not pan out but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little smoke to this fire.
The folks at InsideMDSports were the ones that broke the UMD to B1G rumor, and have been reporting that Georgia Tech would do the same for the past week. This is the first time I've heard UVa being mentioned by someone that actually writes for a news station.
I definitely think it's going to happen. I'm thinking when all is said and done, EVENTUALLY, the ACC will end up essentially being the Big East. The biggest and best schools will be gone and you'll be left with some combination of Duke, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Miami, Louisville, UC, South Florida, and then basketball schools like G'town, St. John's, Marquette, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Providence.
Sounds Hokie to me.
This is the type of cavalier attitude that gets reporters in trouble.
If true, GT follows Delaney's logic of expanding TV market reach. But UVA? It gets him the Charlottesville and southern VA market (read: basically nothing). DC and the NOVA suburbs are filled with VT fans primarily.
I would hazard to guess that there are more PSU fans in DC/NOVA than UVA fans. That's based on a decade living all over the DC/NOVA area. UVA would be a head scratcher from a TV market perspective.
1) You're right about number of fans. I live in NVA and its all Penn State and Va Tech fans where I am. I know like two UVA fans.
2) The thing is, its all about how many markets Delaney can leverage BTN onto the basic cable package. Actual viewers means almost nothing in terms of money in the initial phase. It's all about subscribers. Having UVA means his play to DC area cable companies is "I have Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Maryland, and Virginia on my network and those fans make up x% of the fanbase in your area. You're going to put BTN on basic cable and pay us the much higher rate we get for that or you're going to be dealing with x number of po'ed fans when I yank BTN from your area entirely". Nobody is better at that game than Delaney. He's won it before with wayyyyyy less leverage than that.
3) You're forgetting the Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News market. Not saying it is packed with UVA fans but it does have some, and it is the #44 Neilson market in the US- bigger than New Orleans, Austin TX, Louisville, Jacksonville, and Buffalo. Many of those are big enough to support pro franchises, so they're plenty big in the overall picture.
4) Richmond-Petersburg is the #57 market. That means combined, without even accounting for the rest of Virginia, the DC area market, Norfolk market, and Richmond market combine to be the fourth largest market in the US. If Delaney leverages his way onto basic cable as described in #2, adding UVA allows him to add a similar amount of cash as if he'd just created a second Chicago, fully populated, out in the middle of the Iowa cornfields.
That's an interesting distinction you make about "actual viewers" vs. subscribers. I hadn't really comprehended that. My instinct was to say that so much of the Norfolk/SOVA market is military folks from someplace else who don't give a lick about UVA, but you're argumnet about it being about cable subscribers and not viewers makes sense. I guess Delaney knows what he is doing?
Va tech would be a much better fit if you want the DC market solidified.
Rutgers, UMD, UVA, Ga. Tech — sounds like the B1G wants to corner the market on noon games.
I understand that folks in Baltimore will be excited to watch OSU play the Terps. But what's in it for us?
The truth is perceived weakness in the conference schedule had AP voters slotting an undefeated Buckeye team lower in the poll than an SEC team that lost a game by 4 TDs and beat pretty much nobody, other than Florida. I don't see these proposed additions fixing that problem.
It's no coincidence that Gene Smith is out there scheduling Oregon, Texas, and TCU. We've got to compensate for strength of schedule somehow.
I dunno. Maybe the endgame here is just to break the ACC piñata. The bummer of it is we're rummaging around on the ground with the bat in our hand, stuffing papier-maché in our pockets, while the SEC and Big XII get to be selective about the candy.
That noon games comment is hilarious and spot on. Upvote for that one!
Maybe the B1G is trying to destroy the ACC by grabbing good non-revenue sports programs to get Notre Dame to join the Big Ten? Just speculating, but I can't see another reason other than for grabbing raw markets.
I'm wondering that, too. The problem is that we're doing this by picking off the schools that have average football programs, at best. By the time the ACC breaks, we'll have eaten our fill of dreck — unless we're not planning to stop at 16.
But if we don't stop at 16, then scheduling becomes a mess, or at least the B1G becomes less of a conference than a loose affiliation of schools that play one another in football every 8-10 years (other than in-division).
I saw this shortly after Maryland/Rutgers. Somebody also mentioned UNC as a possibility. Perhaps that is why a couple of days ago UNC declared they are happy to stay in the ACC for the next 60 years.
Also, perhaps raiding the ACC is a way to tell ND to go F themselves.
It seems like a lot of work to go through just to piss of the Irish.
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
If that is the case, FSU is definitely gone to the Big 12.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
If all of these ACC teams go to the Big 12, I can't figure out how the Pac 12 will expand to remain a viable conference. There are no remaining big name teams on the west side of the country.
Buckeye till I'm dead
I guess they could invite Boise State, and Nevada.
I figured Maryland and Rutgers were bait for two more schools, but I didn't think those two more schools would come like a week or two later.
Class of 2010.
I like the (possible) addition of Virginia more than I do Rutgers. It fits the conference brand, even if the athletics are so-so. I would like North Carolina more than both, but I see the Heels going down with the ACC ship. Chapel Hill is the spiritual heart of that conference.
I do have a developing concern with this expansion all coming to our East: I can foresee a time when we're in a division within the B1G where basically our only longtime rivals are Indiana and Purdue, and where it might be possible for a player to spend 4 years in a program without playing every team in the conference at least once, let alone visiting every B1G campus. There's such a thing as too big, IMO.
So the football coaches at GT and Virginia are going to be OK with potentially traveling to Madison and Lansing in November?
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
GT: Not a chance
I think Gene Smith has misunderstood the concept behind the ACC/Big Ten challenge.
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
That, sir, was an awesome comment.
Some guy on twitter was stalking OSU recruits, and we all know how that turned out...
I guess we'll all just see if this happens with this. I find it quite curious that Virginia and GT would attach themselves to the lawsuit against Maryland to pay the hefty exit fee from the ACC only to turn around a week later and follow their lead to the B1G.
Not sure what to think, but if UVA joins, I should be able to go to a few games there, and I'll get more B1G games in Virginia Beach.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
Rather have VT.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
Stop the madness.
GT opens up recruiting in the south.
Another factor that has been ignored is Delaney, with the extra revenue, can strongly encourage teams to upgrade the coaching staffs. Iowa go get Brady Hoke after Michigan gets Les Miles ($80M for 10 yrs). Minnesota go get David Cutcliffe. Purdue go get James Franklin.
Also, adding UVa and GT (on top of Rutgers and MD) means Ohio State will now have a Central, West (Indiana), East (Va and MD), North (Rutgers), and South (GT) stadium for Home Away games. Ohio State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Penn State (after a few years of recovery) will always be the teams carrying the football in the league. Now they just have more venues to showcase the talent.
All this conference realignment has me feeling fatigued.
Delaney obviously could care less about the quality of football being played in the B1G. Its ubundantly clear he soley focused on chasing media markets and is mezmorized when looking at potential revenue charts.
Its like he's saying "Hey, remember the days of the Big Two and Little Eight? How 'bout we expand on and modernize that concept by remaking this conference into the Big Two and Little Eighteen!!! Bwahahaha!!!"
At this point, I can't delude myself any longer by thinking a Texas, ND, FSU, or Oklahoma will be coming on board the B1G. You know, schools that might actually improve the on-field competition in the conference. Delany just isn't interested in that.
I'm sorry, but Delany has created a network for a conference that now receives more in revenue than anyone else. He has taken measures to increase competitiveness in all sports. It isn't Delany's fault that schools don't know how to spend their money properly. Adding Rutgers and Maryland will only increase the cash flow to the B1G, and substantially at that, giving schools far fewer excuses for being good at football or basketball. Sure it would be nice to add Texas, Oklahoma or Notre Dame, but I'd honestly rather have fewer roadblocks for OSU every year. Give me the Big 2 and Little 18, because OSU would thrive under that format, and that's all I care about really.
Yes, he is lining up big time TV money for the conference. The problem is, that seems to be his singular focus. I have my doubts Purdue and Indiana are suddenly going to climb out of sub-mediocrity because their programs will raking in a few more $$$.
Adding a legit football power would make the on field product more appealing in a couple ways. First, it would create more marquee matchups. The second thing it does is raise the level of competition within the conference. This would better prepare B1G teams for bowl/playoff season. Iron sharpens iron, and all that.
A big worry is national respect. After next year, there will be 4 open spots in the playoff system come the end of the season. I can easily see the SEC getting two of those spots, at least the first few years. And if records were the same, The Big 12 and Pac 12 champs will likely get the nod over the B1G champs due to B1G ineptitude in bowls and big non-conference games. Adding 3-4 mediocre to poor football programs in big media markets does nothing to improve this.
What happens, also, if/when the cable TV $$$ bubble pops?
Still would love to see a UVA-Michigan rivalry form.
Nike can finally release their Pro-Pocket Protector uniforms they have been hiding for so long
Pocket protectors would be more for Northwestern. Nike can do popped-collar uni's for M!chigan and UVA.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I think it's a bit soon for further expansion,but thse two would fit Delany's greater plan to make The B1G a mid-major football conference perfectly.Maybe it's time for the football members to look elsewhere.Go Bucks! ( and quickley)
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
I honestly hope you're joking. None of the football powers in this conference are thinking of leaving. Watered down football competition will give the football powers an easier road to the title and the increased revenue will make them even more filithy rich than they already are.
The increased revenue will allow every B1G to invest in their football program allowing them to improve the quality of football being played.
Delaney is building a super conference for lacrosse it seems.
"Winning takes care of everything. - Woody Hayes"
Please no!!! Only Union schools in the B1G!!!
Real fans stay for Carmen.
This isn't 1865
What is your deal with Union schools ? Its 2012 man . That literally has no say in any of this expansion. Its all $$$$.
How kind of you to ask! Here's a link to my Blog Post. http://www.elevenwarriors.com/blogs/menexenus/is-the-big-ten-a-union-con...
You're welcome! :-)
After reading that all I can say is that if adding a southern (confederate school if that means more to you in the year 2012) helps the BIG in recruiting, competition, and image im all for it. I think limiting expansion to schools on that basis is completely irrational and for lack of better words stupid. IMO
Ok it IS a bit weird adding GEORGIA TECH to the conference that includes Sherman's home state. But hey, in the words of the noted philosopher Method Man, "cash rules everything around me".
What about the B1G bylaw that every school needs to be in a state bordering another member? Am I missing something here with GA Tech?
Famous Quotes From American History:
"War is Hell." - General William T. Sherman
"Conference Expansion is Hell." - B1G Commissioner Jim Delaney
The more these reports continue surfacing, the worse I feel about our chances of actually adding a decent school to the conference. I unfortunately see a world where an eligible Ohio State gets left out of the playoff because their schedule was composed of wins against Maryland, GT, Rutgers, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue. I understand that Atlanta is a huge TV market and expanding there might increase recruiting potential, but how in the hell do you all of a sudden convince people to care about Northwestern-Maryland, Iowa-Rutgers, Virginia-Minnesota or Purdue-Georgia Tech? Hell, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, Purdue, Penn State and Illinois can't fill their stadiums as it is. How is bringing the mighty Terrapins to town going to fix that? Answer: It's NOT. Attendance is down all over the B1G and it's because the quality of football has regressed significantly, and adding all of the 6-6 teams in the world isn't going to fix that.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
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