Congrats to Ohio State being in the next 4 Big Ten title games.
Purdue, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, probation Penn State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State. LOL
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I don't know why I allowed myself to think "hey, maybe JD will take this opportunity to realize and correct the error in his ways of breaking up Ohio State and Michigan...maybe, just maybe, he will see this experiment failed miserably for the ACC, and Ohio State and Michigan should never play more than once a season!"
..but then I realized, not capitalizing on the additional revenue generated from a potential second Ohio State Michigan game in one year, would basically contradict the entire reason we added these two new schools anyway!
If we get Notre Dame and Texas, which--like it or not--is Delaney's desired endgame, you'll probably see OSU and UM back in the same division. As of now, OSU and Michigan are the B1G's torch-bearers. You can't risk them cannibalizing each other, and then getting upset in the title game by a lesser team that won't draw well at the Rose Bowl. It's much better to buck tradition and try to ensure that scenario is as rare as possible.
Agreed on that's why we can't be in the same division right now. Also worth noting, I'm slightly positive on this expansion. I think that's the minority view right now.
I'm a minority and I agree with you completely.
Worth pointing out Rutgers is ranked ahead of 3/4ths of the Big Ten right now.
If you are correct, then it's an unrealistic endgame (ND will never join the B1G)...
But I'm on the same page with you as to why it is, JD runs the conference like a corporation, and I just hate that... understand it must be done to a certain extent, but he makes it clear there is little else that matters other than generating optimal operating margins and market share... the B1G network, and expanding its availbility in households now governs every move we make... and I'm just not gonna warm up to this, even though adding Rutgers gives me the opportunity for an easy road game every other year!
I think Steward Mandel said it in an article earlier today, watch, within 5 years the conferences are all going to be named "Time Warner Midwest", or "Comcast Southern"...
I dunno, I guess I see it like this:
Change is inevitable, and our conference commisioner is doing his damnedest to ensure that the Big Ten is leading the charge through realignment. Imagine that the B1G pulls in two of Texas, ND, and Georgia Tech. How much of a coup would that be? The Big East, Big 12, and ACC will be fighting for survival, and the PAC 12 and SEC will be doing what they always do; playing catch up to B1G brother. We'll have solidified our conference (make no mistake, the money's far too good for anyone to leave) by ensuring our long-term viability in sending our marquee teams to the playoffs on an annual basis (because the lack of parity in the B1G, you'll have dominant teams making it through unscathed, as opposed to the Big 12) and locking down fertile recruiting grouds from the Northeast to the Great Plains; all while making more money than Midas himself could have accrued on a 24 extasy binge.
+1 for the Midas on an Ecstasy binge comment. Good form, sir!
"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke
AHH! I knew I misspelled Ecstasy. English fail.
...and I think you see it correctly, I just don't like it! (well, certain parts of it)
I'm being a bit stubborn here, trying to hold on to the traditions which make college football, college football... I don't think Ohio State and Michigan should ever play more than once a season... and I don't like the fact that Delany would have no problem with Ohio State and Michigan just playing each other for all 12 games of the season if he could get away with it!
Basically, if this is the way things are going, there is no better leader to have than Delany, however how much of college football moving in this direction is BECAUSE of Jim Delany being in this position...
Don't mean to be all Occupy Wall St. here, just coming at it from a football fan perspective, when we just made a move strictly from a financial perspective...
Ah, I understand that sentiment completely. I think that this has been a long time coming; ever since Miami and Penn State matched up in the Fiesta Bowl for the National Championship. That was when everyone started to realize the sheer money that could be made by setting up and marketing a true championship game in College Football; which, by all accounts, had largely existed on a regional scale up till then, with that Mythical National Championship serving largely as an afterthought.
Of all the things realignment has wrought, I'm going to miss the geographics the most. It seemed like each region (and conference) evolved separately; largely fed by their own recruiting grounds, and the coaches and formations that populated them. Now, we've seen some homogenization of the product (with offenses like the Spread to Run, and Airraid becoming ever more prevalent across the landscape)--though not nearly to the extent of the NFL--as the internet, BCS, and national recruiting circus have made innovation that much more accessable.
Honestly, it's a good thing. The playoff will be the ultimate evolution for college football; still maintaining its "Every Game Matters" mantra, and making the postseason picture that much clearer and exciting. Unfotunately, some of our long-held geographical traditions are going to be crushed (or at least wounded) beneath the unrelenting March of Progress.
very well said... I nominate you for next Commissioner of the conference...
Speaking of, am I right in assuming Stanford and UCLA will play each other 2 weeks in a row on the next couple Saturdays?
One turtle joining the B1G results in us keeping that other turtle a little longer, because the Illini are going back out of the annual rotation.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
so Nebraska won't be on our schedule again until like 2020?
Ugggghhh that alignment sucks. Penn State on the near-death penalty for a decade and Rutgers and Maryland........ All OSU has to do is stay awake to avoid upsets and beat BERT.
9 game conference schedules are up next.
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9 game conference schedule was in the works before this move.
fine, 12 game conference schedule. all those non cons that were recently added now won't happen. everyone is a sad.
So the legends is M (minus Maryland), N, and I (minus Indiana)....
The Leaders is now essentially the "East" teams except for Wisconsin, who could easily switch with MSU or ttun. Would make a lot of geographical sense at least.
The basketball schedules will be all out of whack now. We're downgrading in football and diluting the conference in basketball. Awesome.
Flipping with wisconsin ans msu would cause two of michigans biggest rivals to be i the other division. With only one protected crossover it would cause one of the rivalries to end. They wouldnt let that happen.
I want to have conference re-alignment already. Put Ohio State and TTUN in the same division so Ohio State can play more teams from the other division instead of having the protected "cross-divison game".
My ideal divisions:
Ohio State, TTUN, Michigan State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana or Purdue
Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Indiana or Purdue
Or to keep the 2nd best rivalry in the B1G of Indiana and Purdue still alive, throw Rutgers to the other division and keep Indiana and Purdue in the same divison.
(I am being sarcastic about the 2nd best rivalry thing)
My ideal alignment:
East: Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Auburn
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee
I think that sets up some good games and has some good SOS.
That is an interesting completely made up conference. lol
Yup. Time to ditch the deadweight.
Not bad...except for Auburn. They are terribad without Cam!
EAST ---------------------- WEST.
ITS NOT THAT HARD.
I actually still don't know which division has which teams and I don't INTEND on learning either. Screw Delaney and his pompous a**
EAST ---------------------- WEST. ????
That's just crazy talk!! Next you'll suggest that the Conference name needs to be changed to accurately represent the number of member teams!!! :)
Nice Twitter decor, McMurphy...sheesh.
Turtles are way better than rodents.
I like turtles.
That was the FIRST thing I thought when I saw Maryland was jining was that TOSH.O Web Redemption.
Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.
They really should've taken a lesson out of the old NHL playbook and used historical division names. When they first floated them, it seemed to me like they should've used something like the Grange and Nakgurski divisions. No regional tie-ins to constrain your choices, and you could realign when needed. Two huge figures in under-performing schools (Illinois and Minnestoa) with the historical nod seemed like a good way to make things happen...instead we got some milquetoast nancyboy names.
But... but... but... what about the Illibuck trophy?!
Real fans stay for Carmen.
Why move Illinois? That screws up the rivalry. Maryland and rutgers have no real rivals so why not put them in different divisions and leave the rest of it alone?
Seriously, who gives a shit about the Illibuck?
I do. Wooden turtles are my life, my dream.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Also the leaders division has so much red. OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland.
So move Mr. Stephon Diggs can play against the team that he could have been a playmaker for. Oh the irony.
Derppity derp, on moving Illi. Not a big rivalry, but there is a tradition of us playing them for quite some time.
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Next question....what does the 2014 schedule look like now? Which non con game or crossover game will be canned? A spot opens up with Illinois moving to the other side but we still would have one more division game to play. I hope they don't ax the hokies.
Buckeye in PA purgatory
Good, now we can switch to time zones divisions, Eastern and Central with the Indiana teams going back to their old schedules when they didn't change for Daylight Saving Time.
Eastern Time Zone
Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State,
ttun, Michigan State
Central Time Zone
Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern
Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. - Irish proverb
The Big 10 is the Big 14, Boise State plays in the Big East and WVU is in the Big 12.
Right-O. Makes perfect sense.
Oh boy, what's next, The U to the Pac-12? Washington to the SEC?
The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.
Where is all this speculation about Texas and ND(didn't they just join the ACC?) joining the B1G coming from? Is this just being fed by dreamy B1G fans, or is there hard evidence of such negotiations?
I personally think that there is a better chance of the Israelis and Palestinians becoming best friends than Texas and ND joining the B1G.
I just am curious as to where this is coming from.