Not sure if such a requirement is necessary. Secret sources within the Big Ten office are revealing that Maryland is Illinois's anti-matter. When these two football programs "meet" in the same conference, they will instantly destroy eachother. Of course, both schools will remain as Big Ten instutional partners, but the football losses, ugly uniforms, and weak fan support of both schools will be vaporized. This is a genius move by Delany!
TheHumbleBuckeye says this is a good idea due to the sheer population and evolution of football in the Northeast Corridor, TheHumbleBuckeye is smart, therefore I approve of this.
Depends on how you see it. It might be good for the overall conferences pocketbook, But if you're a person that thinks the B1G is already perceived as too weak this is a horrible move. I think the B1G is perceived as too weak.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
But if popular sentiment is correct about Delaney's intentions (and let's face it, homeboy knows what he's doing), this a push to put the screws on ND and Texas. If the Big Ten pulls them in and caps themselves at 16 teams, we're not just a superconference; we're a Monolithic Conference with academic superiority to boot (think about it: the only non-AAU schools would be ND--by all accounts an exceptional academic institution--and Nebraska--which lost its eligibility because its Med Center is a separate campus). Perhaps we should rename ourselves the Big Leviathan?
This also would allow OSU and Michigan to be placed in the same division, where we'd only meet once a year (or twice in the playoffs, but a very long shot) as Woody (in place of God) intended.
I am too. But, name me a move that Delaney's made that we--with the benefit of hindsight--can say was a mistake. Maybe the failed acquisition of ND in the mid '90s (which has driven him to a near-maniacal devotion to succeed in said conquest), but what else? Here's a list of his accomplishments, per Wikipedia:
The creation of the Big Ten Network
The expansion of the conference to 11 schools with the addition of Penn State University in 1990, and then to 12 teams with the addition of the University of Nebraska in 2011.
Guaranteed participation for Big Ten schools in seven different bowl games
Development and implementation of the first college football instant replay system
An increase in average Big Ten football game attendance from 58,000 per game to 72,000 per game by 2005
Negotiations with CBS to achieve a US$6 billion 11-year contract for men's basketball NCAA tournament games
Yup. People are being really short-sighted on this one.
It isnt about how the current maryland and rutgers teams perform. Its about the almighty dollar and utilizing that dollar to bring other things the conference does want and need (i.e. Texas, ND, bigger recruiting footprint, the east coast bias factor working to offset the SEC bias factor in playoff selection, etc).
totally agree to a point . but all those moves were for the better futures of all involved including nebraska who was part of a conf falling apart and having some natural ties to big ten to start with iowa and minny and penn st who was starting to die in the world of independence. the only schools i see this helping is maryland and rutgers if they come along.
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I agree, Hodge: without us knowing how this move is supposed to position the Big Ten for additional moves, the invitation to Maryland makes sense in two ways . . .
1. Market area expansion/t.v. deals.
2. More importantly, it expands the enormously important, valuable Big Ten academic/institutional network/empire. If the Big Ten also adds, say, G Tech and Rutgers, plus another high value major research institution, the Big Ten will rival the Ivy League in certain respects. The Ivy League will still have greater academic prestige on a "pound per pound" basis, but the Big Ten's total volume of resources will be immense.
I like the part about OSU & UM in the same division. A lot. I have a problem believing that this lures those 2 giants in. They have their own things going on...I get that money is the end game here but wonder if the conference gets 2 lions after catching 2 squirrels. I guess we'll see...
@Buckgnome - we are definitely in agreement & I too will by Hodge a drink if this happens...
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Can we complain about this next week? I feel like I need all my hate towards UofM right now. We have a long offseason staring us down next Monday. Let's save this for then.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
You guys need to realize Maryland and Rutgers aren't the end goal here. They are the TV markets, eyeballs for the BTN, and stacks of cash that will be used as leverage to get some 2-team combination of Texas, Notre Dame, UNC, or Georgia Tech to join the B1G.
I sure hope you are correct, and that there is some big prize that comes about from this. Because right now, this is a terrible idea if enhancing the competitiveness of this conference in terms of football is of any importance. Adding Maryland and Rutgers just dilutes the B1G further.
Delaney kind of instigated this whole conference realignment phenomenon, and if it ends here, the whole adventure looks like a failure to me.
I agree. I heard on the internet that it was thier fault that Hostess is closing their doors! My grandchildren will never know what a Twinkie is thanks to them!
If it ends here, with just these two (assuming Rutgers is the rumored second one coming this week), the B1G will be distributing $200 million more among its schools every year.
From a football persepctive it might be a failure, but from a business perspective it is a huge win.
We're already making more money than ever before, and it hasn't translated to the football field one bit. In fact, the conference's competitiveness has never been worse than it is right now. None of that money has gone to make coaching salaries on par or higher than the SEC. Where is the money going?
Money isn't everything. You need people who control it to actually use it.
Oh, I agree. I personally prefer the Big Ten before we brought in Penn State. I'm an old school guy.
This is what college football is going to be though. We are going to end with 4 major 16-team conferences, whether we like it or not. Delaney's job is to make sure we are in position to be the strongest power player in that situation, and MD and Rutgers are a means ($$$$) to that end.
It has nothing to do with football or football perception. The B1G is raking in cash right now. More than the SEC. The hardest thing to realize (and I freaking hate it, but its true) is that college football has absolutely nothing to do with what happens on the field. It is a business.
The people that get truly screwed in the whole deal- the players- are always left out of the cash, and are also the only ones truly playing for the game itself.
I understand the reasoning behind this, but it still sucks. I hate this superconference crap. If this doesn't lead to ND or Texas then this is a waste and we just got worse as a football conference.
Here we go, picking apart the ACC...who just joined that conference? Interesting.....
I'm looking at Boston College, Syracuse, and Rutgers. Rutgers is too low hanging of a fruit. I think that Syracuse and Boston College could make in it, and if they do, ND might be on the line trying to claim spot #16.
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I wonder if a sticking point for this deal hinges on them getting rid of their crappy uniforms.
I would love that.
Not sure if such a requirement is necessary. Secret sources within the Big Ten office are revealing that Maryland is Illinois's anti-matter. When these two football programs "meet" in the same conference, they will instantly destroy eachother. Of course, both schools will remain as Big Ten instutional partners, but the football losses, ugly uniforms, and weak fan support of both schools will be vaporized. This is a genius move by Delany!
TheHumbleBuckeye says this is a good idea due to the sheer population and evolution of football in the Northeast Corridor, TheHumbleBuckeye is smart, therefore I approve of this.
Depends on how you see it. It might be good for the overall conferences pocketbook, But if you're a person that thinks the B1G is already perceived as too weak this is a horrible move. I think the B1G is perceived as too weak.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
My thoughts exactly.
But if popular sentiment is correct about Delaney's intentions (and let's face it, homeboy knows what he's doing), this a push to put the screws on ND and Texas. If the Big Ten pulls them in and caps themselves at 16 teams, we're not just a superconference; we're a Monolithic Conference with academic superiority to boot (think about it: the only non-AAU schools would be ND--by all accounts an exceptional academic institution--and Nebraska--which lost its eligibility because its Med Center is a separate campus). Perhaps we should rename ourselves the Big Leviathan?
This also would allow OSU and Michigan to be placed in the same division, where we'd only meet once a year (or twice in the playoffs, but a very long shot) as Woody (in place of God) intended.
Hodge, if Delaney and the B1G were to pull that off, I'll pick up your tab if we ever meet at a future 11W event.
As for me, I'm skeptical.
I am too. But, name me a move that Delaney's made that we--with the benefit of hindsight--can say was a mistake. Maybe the failed acquisition of ND in the mid '90s (which has driven him to a near-maniacal devotion to succeed in said conquest), but what else? Here's a list of his accomplishments, per Wikipedia:
Yup. People are being really short-sighted on this one.
It isnt about how the current maryland and rutgers teams perform. Its about the almighty dollar and utilizing that dollar to bring other things the conference does want and need (i.e. Texas, ND, bigger recruiting footprint, the east coast bias factor working to offset the SEC bias factor in playoff selection, etc).
totally agree to a point . but all those moves were for the better futures of all involved including nebraska who was part of a conf falling apart and having some natural ties to big ten to start with iowa and minny and penn st who was starting to die in the world of independence. the only schools i see this helping is maryland and rutgers if they come along.
I dont know karate but i do know crazy and i'm not afraid to use it.
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I agree, Hodge: without us knowing how this move is supposed to position the Big Ten for additional moves, the invitation to Maryland makes sense in two ways . . .
1. Market area expansion/t.v. deals.
2. More importantly, it expands the enormously important, valuable Big Ten academic/institutional network/empire. If the Big Ten also adds, say, G Tech and Rutgers, plus another high value major research institution, the Big Ten will rival the Ivy League in certain respects. The Ivy League will still have greater academic prestige on a "pound per pound" basis, but the Big Ten's total volume of resources will be immense.
I like the part about OSU & UM in the same division. A lot. I have a problem believing that this lures those 2 giants in. They have their own things going on...I get that money is the end game here but wonder if the conference gets 2 lions after catching 2 squirrels. I guess we'll see...
@Buckgnome - we are definitely in agreement & I too will by Hodge a drink if this happens...
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Just what I never wanted: Maryland.
Can we complain about this next week? I feel like I need all my hate towards UofM right now. We have a long offseason staring us down next Monday. Let's save this for then.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
You guys need to realize Maryland and Rutgers aren't the end goal here. They are the TV markets, eyeballs for the BTN, and stacks of cash that will be used as leverage to get some 2-team combination of Texas, Notre Dame, UNC, or Georgia Tech to join the B1G.
I sure hope you are correct, and that there is some big prize that comes about from this. Because right now, this is a terrible idea if enhancing the competitiveness of this conference in terms of football is of any importance. Adding Maryland and Rutgers just dilutes the B1G further.
Delaney kind of instigated this whole conference realignment phenomenon, and if it ends here, the whole adventure looks like a failure to me.
/facepalm
Unanimous, too.
ha, remember when we thought we would never hear stefon diggs' name again because he was going to maryland....
I got crabs in Maryland...
Wow, this is actually a pretty big dagger for the ACC. When charter members (1953) start leaving a conference it isn't a good sign.
vacuuming sucks
And they had just added Syracuse and Pitt, and the non-deal/deal with Notre Dame.
Wow, I can't even... Fuck Michigan
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IT'S 10:39 AM AND M*CH*GAN STILL SUCKS!
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I blame Michigan's decade of irrelevance for this whole fiasco.
i have no problem with blaming them for anything and everything negative. Carry on
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I agree. I heard on the internet that it was thier fault that Hostess is closing their doors! My grandchildren will never know what a Twinkie is thanks to them!
Bastards.
Beat M*chigan, and save the twinkies!
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
you could buy some now and save them. those suckers dont expire...like, ever...
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If it ends here, with just these two (assuming Rutgers is the rumored second one coming this week), the B1G will be distributing $200 million more among its schools every year.
From a football persepctive it might be a failure, but from a business perspective it is a huge win.
We're already making more money than ever before, and it hasn't translated to the football field one bit. In fact, the conference's competitiveness has never been worse than it is right now. None of that money has gone to make coaching salaries on par or higher than the SEC. Where is the money going?
Money isn't everything. You need people who control it to actually use it.
Oh, I agree. I personally prefer the Big Ten before we brought in Penn State. I'm an old school guy.
This is what college football is going to be though. We are going to end with 4 major 16-team conferences, whether we like it or not. Delaney's job is to make sure we are in position to be the strongest power player in that situation, and MD and Rutgers are a means ($$$$) to that end.
It has nothing to do with football or football perception. The B1G is raking in cash right now. More than the SEC. The hardest thing to realize (and I freaking hate it, but its true) is that college football has absolutely nothing to do with what happens on the field. It is a business.
The people that get truly screwed in the whole deal- the players- are always left out of the cash, and are also the only ones truly playing for the game itself.
Well, I'm seeing this through football-colored lenses, and looks like a terrible idea to me.
I understand the reasoning behind this, but it still sucks. I hate this superconference crap. If this doesn't lead to ND or Texas then this is a waste and we just got worse as a football conference.
was expecting some crab cakes to be delivered by now..
CRABCAKES AND FOOTBALL
So, Delaney just made the conference WORSE overall in football. I didn't think that was possible after this season.
Update: It's official. See thread here.
Here we go, picking apart the ACC...who just joined that conference? Interesting.....
I'm looking at Boston College, Syracuse, and Rutgers. Rutgers is too low hanging of a fruit. I think that Syracuse and Boston College could make in it, and if they do, ND might be on the line trying to claim spot #16.
Still think its dum, but Delaney usually has a master plan.
Getting ND would be huge. Didn't they just join the ACC?