Sadly, Penn State fans will not be swayed by this. Nothing thus far has done it-this won't be believed either. Or worse-they'll say that Joe Paterno's other 'achievements' in life will be enough to outweigh his short comings. His image is that important to PSU fans. Personally, two words sum up my feelings about this report....
That or they'll just rationalize why the report isn't "specific" enough to truly damn Paterno. Seriously, go read some of the "analysis" on BSD. It's like they've never heard of "Ockham's Razor".
Ahhh!!! I was a fan of Ockham's Razor until a slew of compadres I have a longstanding weekly conf call with decided we should name the meeting 'Ockham's Razor'. And now, we have to have a new vote each year on what the meeting should be called. Corporate America at it's finest! Now, I twitch everytime I read or hear those two words. Great principle; cheesy name for a meeting.
I don't know why I expected BSD to be any different to be honest. Their love for Joe Paterno is totally and completley unrivaled in college football-nay in all of sport. Ohio State fans are not as crazy about Woody. Michigan fans aren't this crazy about Bo, Even Bama fans aren't as crazy about Bear (close though). The love for Paterno borders on cult like. Here in Chicago, WSCR 670 is the go to listen for Chicago sports and their Mid Day show has been the same for 20 years. Terry Boers and Dan Bernstein have been ruthless in their coverage on Paterno and on a daily basis get hate emails, race emails (in the cae of Bernstein), and various tweets\texts about how wrong they are about Joe. Some contingent of fans have gone so far as to say Since one of the charges Sandusky didn't get convicted of had to do with McQueary's inability to see actual (forgive me as I hate this word in this sitch) penetration, then Joe didn't know actual rape existed and therefore should be cleared. Ignore the fact that Sandusky got nabbed for something like 4 or 5 charges on the same victim of course....since no actual 'penetration' was seen then Joe didn't know of actual rapes.
I can't make this stuff up. As a side note, each March they do a "Tournament of Bad" to determine the worst things of the previous year. the two hosts and two producers come up with 16 different bad things and do a standard 64 team tourney listeners vote on (Guys who jog in place at red lights, the white crayon, wet dog hair, etc). 2011's winner by the largest margain ever was the State of PA.
To be fair, there are some intelligent dudes on BSD. But the overwhelming majority are completely brainwashed in the "Cult of Paterno". I remember reading one insider's comments on there (it was mentioned in a previous Skully, dude's a booster and privy to some inside knowledge--like Brutus here), and one of the first responses was "please tell me that Joe isn't implicated in this". Hero worship and sports are like buffalo wings and heartburn--they go hand in hand--but some of those folks out in State College, PA have lost it.
Amazing that the first move is to inquire about Joe isn't it? Forget the fact that the organization you love so much went above and beyond the call of creepy to protect a brand of football...no...lets worry about how your patron saint might be impacted....
The PSU fans are emailing CBS's CEO about this.... They don't realize 1. He probably doesn't care and 2. It means their show is getting ratings.
If you don't like what they say don't listen to it. Don't email people and say you hate it.
The PSU kool-aid drinkers also say that there will be no NCAA issues. Its obvious the football team the coach and the university gained by this Sandusky issue getting swept under the rug. Can't see how hiding this is different than hiding tattoo deals. Other than the depth and gravity of it all at PSU of course. It is infinitely worse.
One of the things I'm reading now over there is that the Freeh Report is not only unbiased (PSU BOT hired Freeh afterall) but it might also be scripted to blame everything on the dead dude (forgive my flippancy).
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Could you elaborate on that NC? I'm not sure I follow. The word 'scripted' has me hung up.
Sorry. I meant to say biased. Meaning they think Freeh had marching orders from the BOT to implicate Paterno.
But also there is a contingent that is claiming that by blaming the dead guy (Paterno), the BOT is trying to absolve the institution of any blame.
Gotchya. I've been waiting for this day (despite my inability to correctly spell Mr. Freeh's name) for a long time. There should be a lot of people out there ready to dine on some crow but like I've said-no matter what comes out there won't be enough to turn a lot of people. I heard a good line today about Paterno. "At this point, if you don't believe Paterno is a bad guy, the Freeh report will do nothing to change your mind"
EDIT-That will definatley be the rallying cry for the pro Joe people. That's what I'm saying. A lot of people's minds will not change no matter what happens.
I'm no Joe apologist. I just find the entire scenario sad. You(PSU,Paterno, et.al.) let a child rapist run loose in your football facilities and did nothing to stop it?!?!? For what? So you could win some games?!?!?!? My mind reals. In my honest opinion PSU should voluntarily shut down its football program for ten years. Pull out of the B1G and be independent again for awhile. They first need to rebuild the PSU brand from the inside out and distance themselves from athletics as much as they can. Focus on academics for a time and grow the brand again. In time they then can start football back up and maybe even rejoin the B1G or another conference. I know it seems harsh, but this gesture will speak volumes to the community at large. If not, the NCAA should lay the hammer down on them. I'm sure the civil cases that are coming from this trial will be staggering as well.
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Doc, re voluntarily shutting down their program. Not only is that not even on the radar for the PSU fanbase. Many over at BSD feel they will suffer no ill effects from the Sandusky scandal.
They maintain that most of the victims will settle with the school because they are still Penn State fans. That donations to their general endowment have gone up since the scandal. That football recruiting has actually been as good or better than with Paterno at the helm. That BOB is competent enough that he will have the football team as competitive as it has been. That the NCAA won't apply 10.1 because the scandal had nothing to do with them gaining a competitive advantage. And that the Dept of Ed won't withdraw federal funding -- several commentors have cited PA faculty from outside the PSU system.
The only downside they can see is Paterno's legacy. And I've seen this written a couple of times now -- "who cares what outsiders think of Joe."
If all that plays out, they truly will have gotten off scott free. How would that make you feel 11W readers?
I hear ya NC. I'm sure they won't have shit done to them, but we get fooked for some discount tats. Life ain't fair. The PSU fan base is dilusional at best.
I suggest waiting to read what the report says about Paterno and Penn State before reacting to it. Did we not learn anything from what we went through the past year?
The Paterno family must be expecting some pretty damning information coming to light because according to BSD they released a statement about the Freeh's release that was obviously wrote by a PR company.
All reports are that the Freeh findings will be very damning to Paterno. Showing that he was and had been for a long long time as big a man on campus if not bigger than the president. He told the prez how things were to be done with anyone associated with the football team is how it has been told by the insiders. Mr. Green, it isn't too far of a leap, my friend, to say the report will blow the doors off of Paternos supposed legacy. It's not a secret anymore.
PSU POV in a nutshell. They are right in theory but boy did OSU learn the hard way that it's the way the old ball bounces in todays world. And ours was nothing in terms of theirs.
I've got a response to the author, Craig Dauman. But I'll wait until the Freeh Report comes out to make it.
Here's a hint though -- it will focus on the "cult of Paterno".
This is going to be hard on Paterno and company, but I'm wondering how hard it can be on a university that paid the bills on this investigation?
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