PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Waste of a draft pick.
Good luck Boom!
Good luck to Boom. I'm sure he's well aware he faces an uphill climb as a 6th rounder, but if he can show some versatility as a special teamer then I could see him making the squad. If not, practice squad for a year.
Waste of a pick? Says the Browns fan who's beloved wasted not one, but 2 first round picks. One on the NFL's most over rated position with the third pick over all and then followed that up with the second biggest reach of the first two days.
Actor 1: "Hello sir, this is the pot"
Actor 2" "Why hello pot, this is the kettle, how can I help you?"
Actor 1" "You sir....are black".
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
We've already debated this. Richardson establishes the running game, something that is needed in the NFL, seeing as every single NFL playoff team but one, averaged 4 yards a carry, the sole team that didn't was the Giants. A stud running back opens up a lot, look no further than your beloved Bears, without Matt Forte their offense would be awful. As for Weeden he has an excellent arm, is accurate and outperformed RG3, Luck, Tannehill, and Foles in head-to-head matchups, so there's that.
Yes. There's that. So since Oklahoma State beat Baylor, Stanford, TAMU, and Arizona, Weeden is the right pick.
The Bears are dead without Jay. They are fine this year with or without Forte (hence his lack of a deal) this year because they have a viable back up in Michael Bush. Illustrating the point that running backs are a dime a dozen and the Bears (a favorite in 10 of 16 games this year) are built to win the way one is supposed to in the NFL. They have Cutler, Marshall, and now a viable second option in Alshon Jefferey. As for Cleveland, Blackmon, Claibourne, or a trade down for more picks was the right move-not taking a guy who at best will average 4.0 per carry. The Weeden pick isn't so bad if you give him help but how effective will Trent Richardson (and Weeden) be when defenses (and they will) stack 8 in the box to stop him. I'll give a nod to the offensive line as the Browns have a nice one. But with no one to stretch the field, opening up NFL defenses is a lot harder no matter how well you run the ball.
For the record, your top ten rushers in the NFL, when they were picked, and how their team finished.
MJD-2nd Round. Jags-5-11
Ray Rice-2nd Round. Ravens-AFC Title game.
Michael Turner-5th round. Falcons were a playoff team
LeSean McCoy-Second Round. Eagles were 8-8
Arian Foster-UDFA-Titans were a playoff team (Super Bowl winners if Schaub is upright)
Frank Gore-Third Round. 49ers to the NFC title game
Marshawn Lynch-12th overall. Bills were 6-10.
Willis McGahee-first round. Broncos...you know what, I won't call them a playoff team...but whatever. they were.
Steven Jackson-First round. Rams went 2-14
Ryan Matthews-First round. Bolts went 8-8
Willis McGahee (who benefited from the NFL's most bogus offense) is the sole first rounder who finished in the top 10 in rushing and who's team went to the playoffs.
Third over all is the sort sighted move that the Browns are very good at. They could have traded down for more picks, filled more holes, but instead picked a player who plays a position that this NFL doesn't need to draft high anymore. If Boom is a wasted 6th rounder...what the heck is Richardson at three?
Keep making that fire though caveman. You enjoy that running the ball thing.
Laugh all you want, but if you think Michael Bush will/would produce anywhere near what Forte puts out, I'd say you're crazy. In the AFC North you have to be able to run the ball, and when a guy like Richardson comes along, a player that can heavily impact the run game, as well as the passing game through both receiving and blocking, you take him. As for Weeden, I've yet to see anyone provide a valid reason for discounting him.
My problem with Weeden is Weeden as a first rounder. If you take a QB in the first round, you're taking him with the idea that he mans the position for 10 years or more. First round QB's are supposed to be franchise changing guys and Weeden isn't that. His learning curve will be exactly that of Luck, RGIII, or Tanny. The difference-by the time you get your feet underneath you as an NFL QB, you've been in the league 2, sometimes 3 years. (by year 4, you know what a guy is one way or the other, if you ask me). If that timeline holds, Weeden is 31 years old before he concievably gets his NFL sea legs, as it were. Now you've got a first round QB who at most is going to give you 6 years at the helm when you could grab a guy like that later. That's my issue with him. From a talent stand point, he's as good as any in the class. Not the athlete RGIII is and I like Luck's arm better as a matter of preference but the guy can sling the rock. Should he only be 23, I think he might be your over all number 1 pick. The issue I have is what a first round QB should provide a franchise and what Weeden provides you (at least on the surface). His learning curve will take him into his 30's. By 31, NFL QB's are either super stars or game managers.
As for Forte-In Mike Martz' offense I'd agree with you. Mike Tice will be asking his running backs to run more and catch less. I like the all around game Forte gives the Bears, but their offense will be designed to get into the redzone and score TD's. Forte sucks from inside the 10, bush is a terror inside the 10. Time will tell and my Bears bubble will probably burst thanks to a rash of preseason injuries but for now, I like where they are with or without Forte.
I'm not worried about a QB getting it all together in his 30s, look at Kurt Warner's numbers after he turned 32, look at Tom Brady's after he turned 32. While I agree there will be a learning curve and that certainly may limit Weeden's time,if he can give the Browns 5-7 good years, I'd be very happy, because the Browns didn't even have that draft pick until the Falcons were stupid enough to give it up for Julio Jones, so it was essentially a free pick. As for the Bears, I can agree with that, just saw that Knox will most likely be out for the whole season.
Eh. Knox would be really nice with Jeffery and Marshall, but he's underachieved. Cutler likes guys who can go up and grab passes that maybe he shouldn't have thrown. Knox isn't that guy. Sad regardless because you never want to see a guy go out like that.
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