Texas A&M Makes it Official

August 31, 2011 at 11:09a    by Jason Priestas    
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Nappy's picture

I wonder if this will force Delaney's hand to puruse further expansion.  I know he recently said they would not expand unless it was viewed to be in their best interest, but I can easily see the SEC go to 14 or 16 schools.  If it was me and I made the decision to expand, my first calls are Maryland and Va Tech.  I would be curious to see the reaction from B1G folk if we pursue Oklahoma and Okie St.

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741's picture

I'm calling it: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, and Missouri will join the B1G by the end of 2013.

741's picture

Somehow Kansas should be in that list too...

Nappy's picture

I just cant see a scenario in which ND joins a conference.  Missouri would be a good possibility with OK and OK St, but outside of basketball, Kansas adds nothing.  Texas will be an independent in a few years essentially destroying what is left of the Big12. Wasn't Nebraska pretty much off the radar when we added them?  All I can say for sure is I would be disappointed with Rutgers, Syracuse, Iowa State and/or Kansas.

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millertime2011's picture

what about texas? they'd be the first i'd call. although, with the longhorn network, a deal would be tough

Nappy's picture

Texas thinks their shit don't stink, plus it wouldn't fit with the even revenue sharing model of the B1G. Unless TX agreed to dispurse revenue from the LHN to each school, it's not happening.

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William's picture

Texas is the new Notre Dame, too good for a conference, they think they deserve more than others. I'm going to laugh when they collapse this year and have another miserable 5-7 or 6-6 season.

741's picture

I see Texas eventually settling into the PAC-12(16). They probably view themselves as big enough and rich enough (with the Longhorn Network) to watch everyone else play musical chairs while they just bide their time and join the league that needs and wants them the most.

(Notre Dame is not in this position and eventually will join the B1G... Possibly with hat in hand.)

I envision three 16-team super conferences for football that form in the Southeast (SEC), Midwest (B1G), and West Coast (PAC-12). There will be a fourth group that encompasses everybody else that will still feed into the next evolution of the BCS format - 8 teams make BCS bowls, and the top 4 will play a "Plus 1" to determine the overall BCS champion.

Ideally that "fourth group" evolves into another 16 team conference, with a championship game, making for a true "Division I" or "BCS Division" (or whatever you want to call the big boy division) of 64 teams, and a true championship structure that eliminates these stupid polls and computer rankings. Four conference champions and a plus 1 game determines the overall champion. Done deal. If you aren't big enough to compete in the 64 team big boy division there will be another championship series and a whole bunch of bowl games nobody actually cares about for you to play in.

Hoody Wayes's picture

TX and OK will got to the PAC, most likely.

William's picture

That's too far of a distance I would think for Oklahoma or Texas to be traveing. The furthest Texas or Oklahoma would have to travel as of now would be Penn State, whereas if they moved to the PAC they'd be traveling to Washington. 

Hoody Wayes's picture

The B1G wants two of the three largest television markets. Its next move will be to lock up NYC and the the D.C./Baltimore markets.

Nitz25's picture

I agree w/ this.

The Big Ten already passed on Missouri because their academics weren't up to par, so I don't think they'd even be on the table.

741's picture

The problem is there is no college football team in the New York metro market that is meaningful or significant. Rutgers? Seriously?

Maybe you could make an argument for Virginia Tech or Boston College but how big of a TV market is there really for college football? Are the cable networks going to be willing to shell out the dough to put the Big Ten Network on basic cable when people aren't really clamoring to get access to college football content?

William's picture

If the B1G is to jump to 16 teams I'd say they would be Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, and Missouri.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Rutgers or Syracuse, sure.

VA Tech and VA will remain in an expanded ACC, which will consume the Big East.

Nappy's picture

I can see what Rutgers and Syracuse add from a financial standpoint, but from a competitive standpoint, I dont see it.  Rutgers was only decent when they had Ray Rice and Syracuse produced a few good players recently.  Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeney, Greg Paulus and Donovan McNabb come to mind but they still suck.

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William's picture

Syracuse adds a lot from a basketball standpoint. So would Kansas. 

btalbert25's picture

Texas will end up independent eventually, and honestly why shouldn't they?  They are the one program that actually has a TV market in that conference.  In today's climate where TV money is king, Texas is better off on it's own than supporting the rest of the conference.  I don't think any school or program would think differently if they were in the same position. 

Notre Dame's identity as a program exisits because of its independence.  They aren't concerned with TV money or contracts like the rest of the schools.  They will only join a conference if they have to in order to win a BCS title.  Otherwise, I just don't see Notre Dame ever joining a conference. 

The Big 10 will need to consider adding teams that may not fit academically if they want to be competitive in football.  I could see them adding Oklahoma and Missouri, then trying for Va Tech, Pitt, Maryland and Rutgers or Syracuse.  I really don't think Rutgers or Syracuse brings in the New York Market though. 

Everyone was sure that it would be an east coast school added, but since it was a name like Nebraska, the advertising dollars are going to increase for B1G, which is almost as important as the expanded footprint.  That's why I believe adding Oklahoma or Va Tech would be as if not more beneficial than Rutgers. 

Hoody Wayes's picture

Regarding Rutgers and Syracuse and the NYC, the B1G will just market the hell out of one or both of these teams. New Yorkers will watch football, on Sat.

btalbert25's picture

I get that they want the market, but when I was reading Frank the Tank's blog back during the Nebraska expansion, he made it sound like the BTN would've benefitted more from the Nebraska name, than the added eyeballs that a Rutgers or Syracuse would bring.  The power of the Nebraska brand from an advertising standpoint would outweigh the added eyeballs that Rutgers might, but probably wouldn't add.  Plus, no one cares about Rutgers football. I guess it would add New Jersey, but I thought in the Jersey, New York, and Eastern PA region Penn State was kind of the team they like up there anyway.

Hoody Wayes's picture

What the B1G's doing now, may not matter much - ultimately.

Teams like Ohio State, UM, PSU, Nebraska, Alabama, OK may follow TX and form their own networks. They may all go independent, too. I'm for Ohio State doing this. Our success and our fans and our ability to roll the dough, made the BTN, possible.

Why should we have to share our wealth with the likes of NU, IU and MN?

Nitz25's picture

I've never heard anyone propose this from any of those fan bases but potentially TX... and that's kind of fitting as their state has been obsessed with threats of independence ever since the territory was liberated from Mexico in the 1800s.  How can you make this observation when there are no fan bases clamoring for it?

Hoody Wayes's picture

Ohio State is a powerhouse brand. That alone, will drive a network.

btalbert25's picture

The problem is Ohio State fans would be ready to riot over something like that.  Don't remember the backlash from Ohio State and Michigan being in different divisions and how horrible it was that they may play 2 times a year.  How about the possibility that The Game is played earlier in the season, which was also met with fury.

Ohio State fans are too tied to tradition.  I'm not saying it's a negative thing, but that would always stand in the way of Ohio State being anywhere but the B1G, or whatever that B1G becomes.  People would go nuts if you took that identity away from the B1G.  As much as Notre Dame's identity is tied to independence, Ohio States is tied to the B1G.

btalbert25's picture

Ohio State is not the only reason the BTN is so strong though.  Michigan and Penn State are HUGE college football brands.  Sure Ohio State could spin off and create it's own network and be independent but so could the other big names in the conference.  Not to mention the conference TV market and the huge alumni base all the schools have. 

The 2 TV markets the Big 12 have are the State of Texas and Missouri.  That's it.  Texas gets a bigger share because the conference couldn't exist without it.  Sure pull Ohio State out of the B1G and it would hurt, but you now have 3 other blue blood programs in the conference that will still make the conference a ton of money. 

I would love an independent Ohio State.  That way we could get rid of games like Indiana every year and could play virtually whoever we want.  I wouldn't be shocked as we move toward superconference, seeing others move toward independence. 

The only question I have is, would the powers that be who make "superconferences" come up with something to exclude or at least make it very hard for Independent schools and the non superconference schools to compete for a championship.  Even more importatnly, would the schools care since the championship as we know it is pretty much worse than it was back when sports writers just picked who they thought was the champion. 

Hoody Wayes's picture

Teams like Ohio State, USC, UM can call the shots, because they are traditional powers, have huge fan bases and are bigtime moneymakers. They could create their own division/conference. And who among the lesser powers would not schedule one of these titans?

btalbert25's picture

I'm not disputing the magnitude of the programs.  All have different situations though.  Texas stands to make more money on its own than it would with the Big 12.  I'm not so sure Ohio State would do the same thing.  They are making a fortune off the B1G and the numbers will continue to go up.  Same with Michigan, Nebraska, and Penn State.  As the BTN reaches more households and names like Nebraska get added, not only does the footpring grow but advertising dollars go up.  That network generates revenue in 2 ways.  Basically the sky is the limit. Texas is in a conference with a horrible TV market outside of its own state.  They have a bad TV contract as a conference and it won't get better, especially with departures of schools for big markets like Colorado and A&M as well as losing a blue blood huge brand in Nebraska. 

   

Hoody Wayes's picture

BTN = "The Big Two Network"

Hoody Wayes's picture

Ohio State's too big for a conference.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

Is this conversation actually happening?

rkylet83's picture

Why the hell does every college president have to look like a flamboyant dork?