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Yeah, it's ok to bone your 6 wives, but not your only girlfriend.
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That's hilarious Nappy. Wish I would've thought of that one first.
I wonder though: can a player show up for spring practice with a jar of Vaseline or does that go against the Brigham Young code of student conduct or banned substances?
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
Considering they can't even consume any caffeinated beverages, probably. If it wasn't on this earth when Brigham Young walked it, then it's contraband...
Well, they can't consume coffee or tea, but Pepsi is OK because Mormons are the controlling stockholders. Can you say "double standard"? Talk about hypocrites.
That's actually an urban legend and a quite well known one at that.
Hey, he broke the no-sex rule. Should have broke the "don't lie" rule too and stayed on the team. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." (Hey, if it's good enough for the president of the United States...)
You know, they have an honor code. I respect the hell out of the school and students who follow it. He grew up there, he knew the rules.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
Yeah it's quite the honor code, one that is founded upon stone age morals. We should respect such honor codes and what they are based on, because the stone age morals that it is based off also suppressed women for centuries. We should totally respecet this university for their blinding stupidity.
No, but then he shouldn't have went there. I respect it, didn't say I want to live it.
America is the land of the free, brother. BYU is not forcing this upon anybody. Considering you're the one that thought the NCAA was breaking the US Constitution by suspending the tat-five though...
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I didn't say they were forcing it upon him, in my post below I said it was his choice to attend BYU, just saying that their principles are archaic. I mean if you agree with the principles upon which BYU's honor code is based then you must also agree with the fact that those stone age moralities allow for slavery and the degradation of women, and I'm sure that you're all for that...
DEFINITELY don't agree with many (most) of the Mormon's beliefs and practices. But Brandon Davies chose to go there and was well aware of the Honor Code.
I agree that he shouldn't have attended the university, considering he grew up in Provo and knew about the honor code, but I will not champion BYU for their outdated honor code. Considering this is coming from a Church that advocated polygamy, and brought it before the Supreme Court, this whole situation just reeks of hypocrisy and stupidity.
I don't get it William. What's wrong with polygamy?
Isn't one "honey do" list enough?
Noticed recently that Utah was the state with the highest consumption of porn...
You know, in your regular check of the porn stats...
It makes total sense to me. Ban sex = ...channeling the energy elsewhere...
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BYU parties must be insane
" Dude, I got a 6 pack...of Pepsi!"
Better be Caffeine free
While I agree it's kind of noble to see a school sacrifice the success of a sports team to stick to their values, I think the negative press the school will get for this is by far more damaging. Of course those who are donors to the school don't care about national perception they want to see the school sticking to it's Mormon principles. It does seem a bit much. At first there weren't many details known, it just came out that he was booted from the team. Usually, the mind goes strait to drugs, cheating, skipping class, or breaking the law someway. I'm sure the kid's character has taken a beating. Then this comes out and the world outside of Provo thinks, WTF? I don't know. If this is something worthy of kicking a kid off the team I have to wonder if they did a little digging, how many athletes would they have left on their teams for violating the honor code?
A no sex rule at a college? Surely I'm not the only one who sees irony in that. If the rules at BYU were strictly enforced, I'd be willing to bet that at least half of the students on that campus would be kicked out of school, lose their scholarships, etc. Pretty much the entire faculty and staff would probably be fired too if they were held to the same rules.
I don't have a a problem with BYU's honor code, as the players who go there choose to live the lifestyle it prescribes... However, I do take issue with the way it was enforeced in this case. Davies could have been suspended for one or two games for a first offense and made to take religious classes, volunteer, or make some sort of social restitution on belhalf of the Church. This could have been done discretely and if the suspention was only for a game or two, ESPN and everone esle would not have enquired so heavily as to the nature of the violation. Instead they kick the kid off the team for the year, which raises serious questions, because to get that treatment at any other school in the country a player would've had to commit a major, usually criminal, offense...
This punishment embarrasses the Kid, his family, his grilfriend, and strips him of the most exciting time he'll have as a basketball player - all because of a subjective moral judgement regarding the private lives of he and his girldfirend.
I understand that this honor code held in strict regard at BYU, and I'm not opposed to holding all students, members of the chruch or not, accountable to a beleif system - but in this case the punishment does not fit the "crime." Students can be held accountable without being totally outted and kicked off the team they love and work so hard to be a part of.
I like Sir Conan Doyle's take on the Mormons myself. To each their own and as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else....
Wasn't Jim McMahon at BYU? That dude is like the Charile Sheen of retired QBs.
Him and BYU HATE each other. He is not invited to anything and he's very bitter about sh*t.
Have any of you really followed BYU sports?? They have had bad publicity about their beliefs forever. It started with the Wyoming football team boycotting BYU sometime in the 80's. Seems that many of their players did not like playing against a school (church) that had segregated levels of heaven. Yes, there are 3 levels up there, and the top level was reserved for all good, faithful WHITE men. Good, faithful, WHITE women could ascend to the 2nd level with the not so good or unfaithful WHITE men. All others like bad unfaithful members and any men of color (regardless of whether they were faithful or not) could only reach the third level. Because of the boycott, the leader of the church had a revelation in one of his conversations with God. Now, the good, faithful, men of color may ascend to the second level along with the women. (at least that's the best I can remember from that episode). It was enough to stave off anymore boycotts and allow the BYU football team to compete for national honors.
Their recruiting practices are really cute too. A talented LDS athlete recruited by BYU is, generally ostracized by his church if he does not attend BYU - scholarship or not. And yes, they bring in non members to participate as well without disclosing their intent to convert them once they are on campus - and there is a lot of pressure to convert.
So this little bit of bad press is really just a drop in the bucket. And, many will take it as positive press - "serves the kid right for being a sinner". While many here may view their policies as reason to steer clear there are many who consider their policies to be superior to any other institution and would gladly accept a scholarship. Much the same as a kid committing to play for Lane Kiffin, Nick Saban, Rich Rod, etc. despite all the bad publicity generated by those snakes.
If a running back-of-color makes All American, does he get bumped to Level 1? This sounds a bit like a video game, with all the levels, etc.
Having said that, way-back-when, there were two girls in my high school who were Jehovah's Witnesses, and IIRC that had something similar where Heaven was limited seating, to the most devout, I imagine. Or the best fund-raisers. Both of them were pretty hot and probably pretty good POA, so maybe a eternal damnation may not have been a bad option..
Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".
good POA? Are they DTF?
Yeah but a large percentage of the guys who sign with Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin know there's a good chance they'll end up getting fucked....over. Only difference is instead of a hot coed it's the 40-50 year old coach delivering the goods.
Never go to Utah. Got it.
FUN FACT: they've got a hell of a good looking dance team, that BYU.
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