PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
I'm pretty pissed that I didn't win Scott Tenorman of the Week.
Find me another coach that will win over 10.5 games a season, play in 7 BCS games and win 4, beat Michigan 8 times, and oh, yeah, win a National championship...all in just 9 seasons...and then you can get rid of Jim Tressel......
Does the guy play a style that rips your guts out? yes. Does that style sometimes put us in a bad position? yes. Does that style sometimes win games and salvage potential disasters? yes (see: last year). Every coach can be crticized, but I know that I am proud to call Jim Tressel the head coach of The Ohio State University. The guy is a winner both on and off the field and anyone who wants him fired is crazy.
Your players didn't execute. Should we bench Cam Heyward the rest of the season?
Don't bench Heyward, but maybe he isn't a 90% of the snaps guy. He was much more dominant last year playing 60%. Play him on first down and passing situations.
Um, excuse me - CLEARLY we need someone who will represent the University well. I just don't know if Tress can cut it.
Alex, well Nick Saban, Les Miles, Urban Meyer, and Pete Carroll come to mind. Plus, your only true positive listed was his ability to salvage us from bad situations that he put us in to begin with. I don't want Tressel fired. I just think it's time for some fresh perspective. How hard is that to distinguish?
1. The last 3 wins vs. scUM do not count. Your intelligence can explain to yourself why I say that.
2. Tressels guys, oops I mean JHC's guys, executed in one game that mattered. And it is that one game's result that is the source for all the Buckeye hatred that we so thouroughly enjoy today.
“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers
Wait, you're blaming Tressel for the hate engendered by the Miami upset?
Sam, Nothing in my statement warranted that question. You're mincing words. That's why I like you.
Uh, then what was the point of this?
Tressels guys, oops I mean JHC's guys, executed in one game that mattered. And it is that one game's result that is the source for all the Buckeye hatred that we so thouroughly enjoy today.
It's an utterly pointless statement to make, unless the point is "JT won with Coop's guys, and we can thank him for all the Mark Mays in the world as a result of that game"
Urban- fine, Saban- fine (although they're both scum bags)....Carroll- cheater and always lost an insignificant game...wanna lose to purdue every year?....Les Miles- LOL you can have him
Carroll won 3 titles, and how are you so sure OSU hasn't violated any rules? Besides Carroll wasn't the source of the trouble at USC. Sure, he dipped when he saw the rain clouds coming, but the agents are causing the trouble.
Whats wrong with Les Miles? He's from Michigan and he's cocky. Don't hate.
Carroll won 2; and Les Miles sold his soul to inexplicably win un-winnable games since he left Ok State.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
Les Miles has mediocre teams...if you want to say JT won with JHC's players, well Les won with Saban's players....his dumb game management puts his team in position to lose just as much, if not more than JT's conservatism does.....There's a reason people want Les to succeed Dick Rod at UM.....he blows.....watch when LSU takes on their slate of @Auburn, vs Bama, ULM (standard SEC joke non-conference game in middle of conference slate), Ole Miss, @ Arkansas....I can see them losing 3 of those games at least, if not 4..no confidence in that team
I guess time will tell with Miles. But betting he won't win the SEC and MNC is a pretty safe bet.
Alex, we do lose an insignifigant game every year. Were you out Saturday night?
How was the insignificant? That was a big time game. If you want to make that argument I can't fight you. Tress has been pretty average in the big one.
2001: Beat Michigan, Lost Outback Bowl to south carolina
2002: Beat #10 PSU, Beat #11 Michigan, Beat #1 Miami in MNC
2003: lost @ Wisco, Beat #12 Iowa, Beat #13 Purdue, Lost #4 Michigan, Beat Kansas State in Fiesta Bowl
2004: Only "big game" was vs Michigan and won, beat Les Miles' OK St in Alamo Bowl
2005: Lost to Texas, lost to PSU, Beat Michigan, Beat ND in Fiesta Bowl
2006: Beat #2 Texas, Beat Iowa, Beat #2 Michigan, Lost to UF in MNC
2007: Won @ PSU, lost Illinois, Beat Michigan, Lost LSU in MNC
2008: lost to USC, Beat #18 Wisco at night, lost #3 PSU, Lost Texas in Fiesta Bowl
2009: lost to USC, beat #11 PSU in Happy Valley, Beat #10 Iowa, Beat #7 Oregon in Rose Bowl
2010: beat Miami (big stage no doubt at the time), lost to Wisco at night
On my count in "big games" Tress is 21-13. That isn't amazing, but that isn't bad either. 6-6 against the Out of conf. opponents in those games is average too.
Bottom line is he has been inconsistent in the big game, I will give you that. Other than the 2004 debacle which included those 3 straight losses and Purdue Harbor, what insignificant game has he lost like USC did to Stanford or Washington after a so-called big game win. They played in the rose bowl every year in Carroll's last 3-4 seasons b/c they couldn't get it done vs the little guy. Tress is 4-3 in BCS Bowls, has played in 3 MNCs, won "The Game" 8 times in 9 tries, has 6 conference titles in 9 seasons, and 100 wins in 9.5 seasons. I take this guy and you will too in 10 years when he is gone.
"and you will too in 10 years when he is gone."
BOOM! Couldn't agree more.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
So you didnt have this game circled on your calendar? Insignificant, puh-leeze.
Purdue, yeah I'm with ya, but definately not Wisky.
People, you cant have it both ways. You want a deep Big Ten, well that means you cant sleep-walk thru a season. YOU CANT WIN EVERY GAME.
Oh, wait now its not that we lost the game, its how we lost the game. Funny, when people are ragging me about Texas in 08 it feels the same as Florida 06 and it makes no allowance for 'how' we ended up with an 'L' on our side of the board.
I really feel like some people are just spoiled fans. And no, I am not calling you names because you have a different opinion or because I wear scarlet and grey goggles or because you have the bravery to question your coach/team/program. I call you spoiled fans because you may not EVER know what its like to be a fan of Northwestern or Minnesota or Purdue--God help us. We win. We we win a lot. We we win a lot more games than we lose. I call you spoiled because you are. Simple as that.
Err, he's technically from Elyria, Ohio.
If you truly want Meyer, Saban, Carroll, or Miles over Tressel, well... Then I just have nothing to say to you.
You continue to amaze me JakeBuckeye
If winning is your number one priority, then maybe you can go with Saban and Carroll for one more NC than Tressel currently has. Meyer and Miles aren't going to do any better than what Tressel is doing.
However, winning happens to not be my number one priority. It really shouldn't be either. Tressel is such a great guy, and I mean that BOTH on and off the field. I don't want to droll all over him, but he's just really the perfect fit for the Ohio State football program on and off the field.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
To me the university is more important than the football team. They're closely tied, to be sure - but the university is most important.
I didn't meet my wife at a football game. Or some of my best friends. I didn't grow up on football Saturdays. I didn't find my love for science while tailgating. All of these things happened during my time at The Ohio State University, and no matter how much I want to conflate these with the football team, I'll never be able to.
I want the University to be the best it can be. None of those other coaches seem to care about their universities as much as Tressel cares about OSU. And THAT is why I don't want to see him go.
ESPECIALLY because the only options that *may* be better in terms of football results are certainly not better for the university.
I've been thinking a lot about this topic for the last few days, because like the rest of you, I'm tired of being good, not great. I was chatting with a friend about the Whisky game and I told him that for a change, I didn't blame Tressel for much of what happened on Saturday. There were two bad offensive drives which were the result of bad Tressel play calling (FG drive and missed FG drive). Other than that, I don't have a problem with Tressel's coaching, it was more a matter of very very poor execution. My buddy disagreed and blamed Tressel 100%. I hate criticizing the coach for everything, but I guess it's time to be honest about things. I begrudgingly agree. JT is responsible. If he can take credit for all the success, he has to take blame for all the failures. The same applies for leaders of all teams, companies, countries, etc.
But I know why I'm such a Tressel apologist. There just isn't another coach I'd rather have and there isn't another coach who brings all the things to the table that he does. His greatest weaknesses are too conservative, can't win the big game, and too stubborn. Stubbornness isn't even worth listing. EVERY coach with any measure of success is going to be stubborn. Show me a coach that isn't stubborn about the way he does things and I'll show you a coach that doesn't have control of his team. So that leaves winning the big game and too conservative. Three names come to mind for ability to win a big game and not being conservative, at least as of late. Meyer, Saban, and Petersen. Petersen seems like a great guy who will be tremendously successful at the next level (BSU is still JV even if they go to/win the NC this year). If Tressel had one foot out the door, that's the only guy I'd want to even consider at this point. But that's an impossibility so why bother mentioning it.
Meyer has a win at all costs mentality which serves him well when he has the most talented team on the field. He's also a complete a-hole who doesn't give a crap about anything but winning, hence the 30+ arrests of his players. And throw in the occasional 4 loss season between his really good teams, which he still has to prove he can have without Tebow, and Meyer becomes the last guy I would ever want as a coach, even if you could guarantee me a championship every three years.
Saban can win the big games, at least as of late, though I don't think he's really any less conservative. His teams are built just like ours. Great defense, great running game, efficient QB. The biggest difference between he and JT right now is that he has the better players. But Saban is an even bigger a-hole and a mercenary to boot. No loyalty to anyone but himself.
So who is left among the great college coaches? Mack Brown and JT are the same person. Beamer too. Stoops is even less of a big game coach. RichRod is a great offensive coordinator for gimmicky offenses. Chip Kelly too. Pellini is a great defensive coordinator. Mind you, I don't consider any of the latter great, just guys in charge of big college programs.
My point is that the college coach we want doesn't exist. To have the qualities that JT lacks comes at a huge cost. I want the guy that runs a clean program (or at least one the NCAA isn't probing yet), wins a ridiculous # of games each year, beats Michigan, recruits well, and is a guy that you can generally be proud of. Yes, I'd like JT to hire new, young coaches/coordinators, but that isn't him. I'd like JT to play for TDs, but that isn't him. If he starts doing things that are out of character, then maybe all the things we like about him start going away too. I want to win NCs but I want to do it with the right guy and the right way. In this decade, I think there were only three teams that have won a NC with solid, clean programs. OU, UT, and us. And I don't see any difference whatsoever between OSU and any of those programs.
We can all list what we'd like to change about JT. But show me the coach that has all he has and the other stuff too. Doesn't exist, at least not on the college level. I'm sure there's a young guy out there that's just waiting for a chance and maybe someday we'll get him. But I'm happy with the proven results that we have now. If this is mediocrity, then I'm happy to be mediocre.
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