I say it all the time, even when we win. COACHES NEED REPLACED!

October 18, 2010 at 3:57p    by Jason Priestas    
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Matt's picture

I'm pretty pissed that I didn't win Scott Tenorman of the Week.

Alex's picture

Find me another coach that will win over 10.5 games a season, play in 7 BCS games and win 4,  beat Michigan 8 times, and oh, yeah, win a National championship...all in just 9 seasons...and then you can get rid of Jim Tressel......

Does the guy play a style that rips your guts out? yes. Does that style sometimes put us in a bad position? yes. Does that style sometimes win games and salvage potential disasters? yes (see: last year). Every coach can be crticized, but I know that I am proud to call Jim Tressel the head coach of The Ohio State University. The guy is a winner both on and off the field and anyone who wants him fired is crazy.

Your players didn't execute. Should we bench Cam Heyward the rest of the season? 

Buckeye Black's picture

Agreed.

 

Don't bench Heyward, but maybe he isn't a 90% of the snaps guy.  He was much more dominant last year playing 60%.  Play him on first down and passing situations.

Alex's picture

They heyward line was sarcasm, but kid could use a breather every noe and then. He's doubled all the time...where are the other linemen when that happens?

Denny's picture

Um, excuse me - CLEARLY we need someone who will represent the University well. I just don't know if Tress can cut it.

Taquitos.

iball's picture

Alex, well Nick Saban, Les Miles, Urban Meyer, and Pete Carroll come to mind. Plus, your only true positive listed was his ability to salvage us from bad situations that he put us in to begin with. I don't want Tressel fired. I just think it's time for some fresh perspective. How hard is that to distinguish?

1. The last 3 wins vs. scUM do not count. Your intelligence can explain to yourself why I say that.

2. Tressels guys, oops I mean JHC's guys, executed in one game that mattered. And it is that one game's result that is the source for all the Buckeye hatred that we so thouroughly enjoy today.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

poguemahone's picture

Wait, you're blaming Tressel for the hate engendered by the Miami upset? 

iball's picture

Sam, Nothing in my statement warranted that question. You're mincing words. That's why I like you.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

poguemahone's picture

Uh, then what was the point of this?

Tressels guys, oops I mean JHC's guys, executed in one game that mattered. And it is that one game's result that is the source for all the Buckeye hatred that we so thouroughly enjoy today.

It's an utterly pointless statement to make, unless the point is "JT won with Coop's guys, and we can thank him for all the Mark Mays in the world as a result of that game" 

Alex's picture

Urban- fine, Saban- fine (although they're both scum bags)....Carroll- cheater and always lost an insignificant game...wanna lose to purdue every year?....Les Miles- LOL you can have him

iball's picture

Carroll won 3 titles, and how are you so sure OSU hasn't violated any rules? Besides Carroll wasn't the source of the trouble at USC. Sure, he dipped when he saw the rain clouds coming, but the agents are causing the trouble.

Whats wrong with Les Miles? He's from Michigan and he's cocky. Don't hate.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

BuckeyeChief's picture

Carroll won 2; and Les Miles sold his soul to inexplicably win un-winnable games since he left Ok State.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Alex's picture

Les Miles has mediocre teams...if you want to say JT won with JHC's players, well Les won with Saban's players....his dumb game management puts his team in position to lose just as much, if not more than JT's conservatism does.....There's a reason people want Les to succeed Dick Rod at UM.....he blows.....watch when LSU takes on their slate of @Auburn, vs Bama, ULM (standard SEC joke non-conference game in middle of conference slate),  Ole Miss, @ Arkansas....I can see them losing 3 of those games at least, if not 4..no confidence in that team

iball's picture

I guess time will tell with Miles. But betting he won't win the SEC and MNC is a pretty safe bet.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

iball's picture

Alex, we do lose an insignifigant game every year. Were you out Saturday night?

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Alex's picture

How was the insignificant? That was a big time game. If you want to make that argument I can't fight you. Tress has been pretty average in the big one.

2001: Beat Michigan, Lost Outback Bowl to south carolina

2002: Beat #10 PSU, Beat #11 Michigan, Beat #1 Miami in MNC

2003: lost @ Wisco, Beat #12 Iowa, Beat #13 Purdue, Lost #4 Michigan, Beat Kansas State in Fiesta Bowl

2004: Only "big game" was vs Michigan and won, beat Les Miles' OK St in Alamo Bowl

2005: Lost to Texas, lost to PSU, Beat Michigan, Beat ND in Fiesta Bowl

2006: Beat #2 Texas, Beat Iowa, Beat #2 Michigan, Lost to UF in MNC

2007: Won @ PSU, lost Illinois, Beat Michigan, Lost LSU in MNC

2008: lost to USC, Beat #18 Wisco at night, lost #3 PSU, Lost Texas in Fiesta Bowl

2009: lost to USC, beat #11 PSU in Happy Valley, Beat #10 Iowa, Beat #7 Oregon in Rose Bowl

2010: beat Miami (big stage no doubt at the time), lost to Wisco at night

 

On my count in "big games" Tress is 21-13. That isn't amazing, but that isn't bad either. 6-6 against the Out of conf. opponents in those games is average too. 

 

Bottom line is he has been inconsistent in the big game, I will give you that. Other than the  2004 debacle which included those 3 straight losses and Purdue Harbor, what insignificant game has he lost like USC did to Stanford or Washington after a so-called big game win. They played in the rose bowl every year in Carroll's last 3-4 seasons b/c they couldn't get it done vs the little guy. Tress is 4-3 in BCS Bowls, has played in 3 MNCs, won "The Game" 8 times in 9 tries, has 6 conference titles in 9 seasons, and 100 wins in 9.5 seasons. I take this guy and you will too in 10 years when he is gone.

JakeBuckeye's picture

"and you will too in 10 years when he is gone."

BOOM! Couldn't agree more.

Matt's picture

Err, he's technically from Elyria, Ohio.

JakeBuckeye's picture

If you truly want Meyer, Saban, Carroll, or Miles over Tressel, well... Then I just have nothing to say to you.

iball's picture

You continue to amaze me JakeBuckeye

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

JakeBuckeye's picture

If winning is your number one priority, then maybe you can go with Saban and Carroll for one more NC than Tressel currently has. Meyer and Miles aren't going to do any better than what Tressel is doing.

However, winning happens to not be my number one priority. It really shouldn't be either. Tressel is such a great guy, and I mean that BOTH on and off the field. I don't want to droll all over him, but he's just really the perfect fit for the Ohio State football program on and off the field.

Denny's picture

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

To me the university is more important than the football team. They're closely tied, to be sure - but the university is most important.

I didn't meet my wife at a football game. Or some of my best friends. I didn't grow up on football Saturdays. I didn't find my love for science while tailgating. All of these things happened during my time at The Ohio State University, and no matter how much I want to conflate these with the football team, I'll never be able to.

I want the University to be the best it can be. None of those other coaches seem to care about their universities as much as Tressel cares about OSU. And THAT is why I don't want to see him go. 

ESPECIALLY because the only options that *may* be better in terms of football results are certainly not better for the university.

Taquitos.

Brutus's picture

I've been thinking a lot about this topic for the last few days, because like the rest of you, I'm tired of being good, not great.  I was chatting with a friend about the Whisky game and I told him that for a change, I didn't blame Tressel for much of what happened on Saturday.  There were two bad offensive drives which were the result of bad Tressel play calling (FG drive and missed FG drive).  Other than that, I don't have a problem with Tressel's coaching, it was more a matter of very very poor execution.  My buddy disagreed and blamed Tressel 100%.  I hate criticizing the coach for everything, but I guess it's time to be honest about things. I begrudgingly agree. JT is responsible. If he can take credit for all the success, he has to take blame for all the failures. The same applies for leaders of all teams, companies, countries, etc.

But I know why I'm such a Tressel apologist. There just isn't another coach I'd rather have and there isn't another coach who brings all the things to the table that he does. His greatest weaknesses are too conservative, can't win the big game, and too stubborn. Stubbornness isn't even worth listing. EVERY coach with any measure of success is going to be stubborn. Show me a coach that isn't stubborn about the way he does things and I'll show you a coach that doesn't have control of his team. So that leaves winning the big game and too conservative. Three names come to mind for ability to win a big game and not being conservative, at least as of late. Meyer, Saban, and Petersen. Petersen seems like a great guy who will be tremendously successful at the next level (BSU is still JV even if they go to/win the NC this year). If Tressel had one foot out the door, that's the only guy I'd want to even consider at this point. But that's an impossibility so why bother mentioning it.

Meyer has a win at all costs mentality which serves him well when he has the most talented team on the field. He's also a complete a-hole who doesn't give a crap about anything but winning, hence the 30+ arrests of his players. And throw in the occasional 4 loss season between his really good teams, which he still has to prove he can have without Tebow, and Meyer becomes the last guy I would ever want as a coach, even if you could guarantee me a championship every three years.

Saban can win the big games, at least as of late, though I don't think he's really any less conservative. His teams are built just like ours. Great defense, great running game, efficient QB. The biggest difference between he and JT right now is that he has the better players. But Saban is an even bigger a-hole and a mercenary to boot. No loyalty to anyone but himself. 

So who is left among the great college coaches? Mack Brown and JT are the same person. Beamer too. Stoops is even less of a big game coach. RichRod is a great offensive coordinator for gimmicky offenses. Chip Kelly too. Pellini is a great defensive coordinator. Mind you, I don't consider any of the latter great, just guys in charge of big college programs.

My point is that the college coach we want doesn't exist. To have the qualities that JT lacks comes at a huge cost. I want the guy that runs a clean program (or at least one the NCAA isn't probing yet), wins a ridiculous # of games each year, beats Michigan, recruits well, and is a guy that you can generally be proud of. Yes, I'd like JT to hire new, young coaches/coordinators, but that isn't him. I'd like JT to play for TDs, but that isn't him. If he starts doing things that are out of character, then maybe all the things we like about him start going away too. I want to win NCs but I want to do it with the right guy and the right way. In this decade, I think there were only three teams that have won a NC with solid, clean programs. OU, UT, and us. And I don't see any difference whatsoever between OSU and any of those programs.
 

We can all list what we'd like to change about JT.  But show me the coach that has all he has and the other stuff too.  Doesn't exist, at least not on the college level.  I'm sure there's a young guy out there that's just waiting for a chance and maybe someday we'll get him.  But I'm happy with the proven results that we have now.  If this is mediocrity, then I'm happy to be mediocre.