Miller vs Illinois

thePhilipJFry's picture
October 18, 2011 at 12:21p

Completely ripped off from MGoBrian.

He explains his terms here

  dead on catchable inaccurate bad read throwaway batted pressure
att 1 1 2 0 0 0 0
comp 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
yds 17 0 0 0 0 0 0
td 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
int 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Yeah, the touchdown pass is dead on.  The grade might be overly generous but it was on target, on time and thrown down field with a 30 mph wind at his back.  The first pass attempt of the day was listed as catchable, Brown was coming back to the football and the defender went through him to break up the pass.  The officials were ok with that for reasons that escape me.  The two inaccurate are deep balls that are overthrown with the wind at Miller's back.


  design scramble sack knee sneak
att 8 0 4 0 0
yds 59 0 -25 0 0
td 0 0 0 0 0
fumbles 0 0 0 0 0

So some people on the boards are claiming they would have liked to see more passing plays called.  Well Ohio State called 8 passes in the game, good for -8 yards.  Illinois waited until 6:22 remaining in the game to bring more than 7 men into the box, and that might just be because the formation was 2 TE 1 FB 1 RB and 1 WR.  The combination of Illinois failing to adjust, Ohio State failing to gain yards on passing plays, the score and the wind make me believe . . . Jim Bollman did the right thing.  On designed running plays Ohio State gained 237 yards on 46 carries, good for 5.15 yards per play versus the -1 yard per play on designed passes.  In truth any criticism of the play calling should be why did Ohio State try to pass in the middle of the second quarter from their own 39 yard line on 2nd and 5 when the running game was working.  Ohio State went incomplete/sack/punt instead of sticking with what was working.  Also the 3rd and 5 play on that series was a read option play action pass.  When running the read option the backside defensive end is unblocked and the quarterback reads him to determine if he should hand off or keep the ball.  If you run play action on this play you are running a slow developing passing play with an unblocked defensive end.  This strikes me as an incredibly bad idea.  If anybody has information on this idea working for read option teams (preferably with video link) I'd love to see it.


  comp targets yards td drops yac
Stoneburner 1 2 17 1 0 0
Brown 0 2 0 0 0 0

Not a lot there, nice route by Stoneburner on the TD.

This next table is similar to what I think mgobrian is doing with his receiving chart but I am unable to find a link to his explanations so mine will have to do.  The first digit in the grade is from the receiver’s point of view, 4 easy to 1 impossible.  The second digit indicates the presence of the defender (1 there, 0 not there) at the time the ball hits the receiver’s hands.  When I say there, I mean close contact.
11  Bad pass, tight coverage.
10  Bad pass, no defender to stop it
21  Really tough ball to catch and in tight coverage.  A catch on this means the receiver is saving his qb.
20  Really tough ball to catch, no coverage.
31  Ball outside the strike zone, tight coverage
30  Ball outside the strike zone, no coverage
41  Ball on the money, tight coverage
40  Ball on the money, no coverage

  11 10 21 20 31 30 41 40
att 1 1 1         1
comp 0 0 0         1
yds 0 0 0         17
td 0 0 0         1
int 0 0 0         0

For the receivers this is catches/opportunities

  11 10 21 20 31 30 41 40
Stoneburner 0/1             1/1
Brown   0/1 0/1          


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Maestro's picture

Thanks for doing this.

vacuuming sucks

thePhilipJFry's picture

thanks for commenting I wasn't 100% sure anybody was reading this.

thePhilipJFry's picture

No video link, but I exchanged emails with Charles Fischer (Oregon fan who does, that has some excellent videos on the inside and outside zone read) about the zone read play action pass.  He writes that Oregon runs zone read play action as if they are reading the outside linebacker, meaning all defensive linemen are blocked.  This makes a lot more sense than the way Ohio State ran the play.

Maestro's picture

I wonder if Miller's 35 yard run was included in the designed run section. If so, well it was actually a designed shovel pass, but for some reason Miller hesitated and then the hole was so big for Boom (who would have gained at least 35 yards on that play) that Miller just took off.

Believe me I know how it feels to wonder if people read anything that you write.

vacuuming sucks

thePhilipJFry's picture

Wonder no longer, it was deffinitely included in the designed runs.  I watched it live and on review and never for a second did I think it was a designed pass play.  Probably because the offensive line and recievers will do nearly the same thing on either play.  Most of the time if I am deciding between a scramble or designed I'm looking to see what the receivers are doing. 

DallasTheologian's picture

It was a pass. It was a designed shovel pass. Watch Herron look for the ball. Ross Fulton broke it down in his offensive analysis of the Illinois game. That was the reason the running lane was there.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

I read this as wel TPJF, I always read your breakdowns, great stuff.   I was just amazed you were able to get this much info out of 4 passes!