Despite clear, concise rules for voting, you are just going to have to accept that people vote for their reasons!

Squirrel Master's picture
October 24, 2012 at 1:08p
43 Comments

I know we all would love for the voting to follow along the original intent of its purpose but it is kind of hard to follow it to a T! What might be offensive to one person might be totally justified to others. Also, you have to take into account that you may have commented with a certain intent but it wasn't conveyed the way you meant it to be. The 11W staff does what they can to provide a free speech forum for us all to discuss what we have mostly in common, our love for our BUCKEYES! I believe they do quite well and should be commended every day (although an everyday commend itself may warrant a downvote eventually). We all like to share our points, razz each other when we can and have a open policy to our differing opinions. This works very well despite the few outliers that we run into, trolls or just someone who wants to be annoying. Despite all of that, so far, I think its working. We just need to keep in mind that certain things might look worst to some and when it happens, you will get a downvote whether it meets policy or not.

People will do what people want to do. Here are a few things that I have noticed lately related to downvoting that maybe could avoid some of our conversations flowing away from the original topic.

1. If you say something that gets downvoted, don't follow it up with a "why did I get downvoted" and call people "jerks, morons or idiots". It will just make it worst! You will get downvoted at least once or twice just because someone just felt like it. It happens. If you start seeing that it has increased to 4-5, try to change the original comment as to avoid further downvotes with maybe a sorry or "did not think that was offensive". It should stop it immediately. If you read over your post and you don't see why it is offensive, then people will stick up for you. No reason to jump on people and MAKE IT WORST!

2. When you want to be sarcastic or be a little funny, try to use italics. It has been a staple around here for a while now that italics is the "sarcastic font". This should help keep those downvotes to a minimum because most people will understand you are not being serious. Either that or get better at being sarcastic! Also, if you see someone posting in italics, know that they are not intent on being offensive unless the comment is aimed directly at being offensive. Lets have some fun on here guys! Upvote when you can. Its not a race to see who can get the most or who can win. We are all winners because we all follow a winner!

3. Take a downvote lightly. Don't take it as someone is ruining your day! Counter a downvote with insightful comments from then on with the occassional sarcastic or off cuff stuff. If you continue to be an ass, you will really start to dislike the downvotes!

4. When posting, try to direct your comments towards someone. Use @squirrel master or I agree or disagree squirrel master! When you go off half cocked on a rant, some will take it as towards them and you will see your downvotes rise exponentially.

5. If you are concerned about being downvoted to -50 and not able to comment or vote or anything on here, you might want to seriously think about what you are saying. It might not be the downvoters who are wrong! Just sayin!

 

It would be nice if everyone votes according to policy but this is reality and in reality, things don't always go according to plan. Just accept the voting with a grain of salt and understand that despite how others feel about your comment, you have the freedom and right to make your comment. At least until Jason and Co. kick you out!

Now try to upvote when you can! Even if you feel it may not meet the criteria for an upvote but you like it anyways, go for it! What is it going to do, move someone out of the top 100 upvoted members? I wouldn't mind!

Comments

BucksfanXC's picture

Bravo sir!
Please vote more and the few idiots who don't vote the way you think they should will matter less.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Alhan's picture

I am usually surfing the site on my phone, so I am definitely guilty of not handing out as many upvotes as I should due to the finickyness of the tiny button. I do try to hit any that brighten my day with humor or excellent posts though.

You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy

GoBucks713's picture

I'm glad I could be your muse. HAHA.

-The Aristocrats!

Squirrel Master's picture

Muse away my good man! (or woman)

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

GoBucks713's picture

I'm pretty sure I make a pretty ugly chick, adam's apple and all.

-The Aristocrats!

cinserious's picture

This is an excellent site and I would hate to see it go the way of places like Bucknuts with idiots exacting revenge for personal vendettas etc. Also this site is run by responsible people who don't listnen to tattletales and try to supress your opinion with typical MODERATOR fascism. I was worried about this kind of stuff when the 'voting' started but I'm confident this staff will not let people get outta hand.

"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"

GoBucks713's picture

you misspelled "hound"

-The Aristocrats!

Baroclinicity's picture

I think it works this way (little moderator moderating) because we're all still pretty good at policing the site ourselves.  This will be key... once we can't control that, it may get to be where the moderators have to put in more work.

steensn's picture

Upvote a ton to make up for the ones abusing the system. Then their votes don't count and everything in the end doesn't matter. Some people are immature by nature, just make their opinion (vote) irrelevent.

Poison nuts's picture

Agree with this theory wholeheartedly...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Colin's picture

I am serious with this... If you don't want to be downvoted then don't say something that goes against the hive-mind. It's that simple. People on this site are here because they want to get their buckeye news and talk buckeyes with people who share the same passion for this school's athletics teams. They don't care what the voting rules are if they don't like what you are saying they will downvote you because they can. You can try to be as mature as possible but that won't save you.
In my opinion, as far as this site is concerned we are one fan base with one opinion which is pro-buckeye everything.
...and this does not include harmless arguing about things like if Guiton should get more playing time over Braxton or what we should do with players like Zach Boren, by the way, in case anyone wants to say we are considerate to different opinions all the time.

Triv's picture

I agree with Steensn that people should upvote more. If you agree with what someone said, upvote them! If you asked a question and they provided you an answer, upvote! If they correct something you said in a polite manner, upvote! People spend too much time looking for reasons to downvote someone, why not send some more upvotes to people instead?

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

Earle's picture

I agree with all who are advocating more upvoting.  I also have suggested the "Moo" vote for irrelevant/stupid comments in another thread (riffing off of Squirrel's post of the the "Friends" clip where Joey suggests that a "Moo point" is just a cow's opinion).  Not sure if it will take hold, but it would be funny if it did.

Italics are for emphasis; an ellipsis represents an unfinished thought.

Squirrel Master's picture

MOO!
jk

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Earle's picture

It's all "moos" to me!

Italics are for emphasis; an ellipsis represents an unfinished thought.

carence's picture

You know what I do? I make a comment and move on. I don't go back and see if anyone has responded or voted because I'm awesome and I know you all will love my 2 cents. 

Alhan's picture

I know you won't see this because you only strike once, like lightning, but I love the confidence! :-) Have a sticker, sir!

You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy

LouGroza's picture

Thanks for posting this Squirrel, it was needed. Whatever happens with votes, happens. Keep in mind that downvotes need to be respected the same as an upvote. Someone has a problem with what was said, so be it. If the downvote isn't respected, in my mind, it is the same as saying to the downvoter, "your opinion is stupid" just as if you typed that response to someones thought in a forum. There seems to be very few downvotes anyway so it's no big deal. If you make solid contributions you will not even notice the few that don't like your opinion in some way. The only way, as the OP pointed out, to get downvote hammered, is if you call out the members in some way or are way overboard with comments. Think before you hit save.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Outstanding post!
The overwhelming majority of comments here are polite and reasonable. This makes voting a good thing, because we are encouraging each other to make this a fun and healthy site to visit.
imagine voting on BSD. 
 

Squirrel Master's picture

I just think the complaining of downvotes can get out of hound as much as the downvotes themselves. If we accept them as part of the culture moving forward, then maybe we won't let them get in the way of some excellent buckeye talk which we all agree is very awesome on this site. If you ignore those that discent, then they will no longer be relevant!
Upvotes all around!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Poison nuts's picture

You might be right & I might be idealistic but the serial down voting lately is pretty weak. When I see someone's comment that was down voted for no good reason, it annoys the hell out of me. I could care less if my own comments get it - I get more bothered by someone else's who just doesn't deserve it. Civil disagreements are a big part of why I come here as much as I do. I like having a different view than someone & talking about where we're both coming from. Matter of fact, I visited all kinds of sports sites & blogs in the past. I would look at them & move on. I actually signed up here because the content is amazing & it was cool that you could speak your piece without too much name calling...
On the other hand, you are right  - people will do what they do & it is what it is. Either way - good topic Squirrel! - keep on...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

tennbuckeye19's picture

You son of a guns are the best! I'm upvoting all of you. Go Bucks!

SEC BUCKEYE's picture

Since we are throwing around some upvotes I would gladly.accept some. Any takers....no? Oh well thought I would try lol

All labor that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance and should be undertaken with painstaking excellence. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

Bucks43201's picture

sometimes it takes a master of squirrels to put things in perspective

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

lamplighter's picture

I've obviously missed something along the way - up vote/down vote?

tennbuckeye19's picture

You need 50 helmet stickers to participate. I believe if you have less than 50 you can't see the voting that takes place on each comment. 
You earn 'stickers' for making comments, posting a thread, getting upvotes, etc. You can check out how many you have by checking out the 'My Account' section.

justingoblue's picture

Thanks for the explanation, this is exactly what I was hoping for when I clicked on the thread. Imaginary +1.
When you have 50+, can you see how many other posters have as well (next to their name or something), or is that not something you can see on threads?

Baroclinicity's picture

Upvoted you Lamp.  Only need two more as of this post.

chitown buckeye's picture

I try to up vote for great insight, great points, and I especially like to up vote on humor! Work is long and serious enough as it is. I enjoy a good laugh! So bring on the sarcasm!

"I'm having a heart attack!"

BoFuquel's picture

I love to read comments, but once I make a post I never, NEVER return to that page.Debate is for childern not grownups.You would never change my opinion no matter what you say.If I could change yours I sure don't want you for a friend.Be strong and never back down.GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

I thought this was a political thread... thank heavens it wasn't...

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

When you want to be sarcastic or be a little funny, try to use italics. It has been a staple around here for a while now that italics is the "sarcastic font".
 
Oh, NOW you tell me.
I hope it doesn't make me a bad member that I'm really only voting when I see something either so funny or so obnoxious that it has to be acknowledged in some way. It's not really why I'm here, to be honest.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Doc's picture

I think Squirrel is just trying to help move himself up the helmet sticker ladder with all the upvotes and the blog topic.  I believe squirrel master is a sticker whore, or is he a HUMAN Master?
/sarcasm font off

"Say my name."

Squirrel Master's picture

Don't be jealous cuz I posted this first! ;p
 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Doc's picture

Damn!  You caught me;)

"Say my name."

hail2victors9's picture

I still think there should be the "reply" option on each individual post like there is outside of the forum so that if we want to respond to a certain person's comment, we can do so directly instead of inserting the @soandso. 
I know traffic is down on the weekends and a lot of us play catch up on Monday and it makes it difficult to comment on another post 30 entries down the thread.  Just my opinion.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

tennbuckeye19's picture

I agree Hail. I think having the reply option on each post would help the flow of comments. Many times I've wanted to comment about something that's been said, but haven't because there's 15 or more posts in front of it. 
BTW -I'm feeling generous. Upvotes all around.

Bucks's picture

Enjoyed reading your post Squirrel. Well said.
 
I think Jason would agree that 90% of the voting has been great. The other 10% is where certain issues are. I'd like the posters to know that while you may never see it, hear about it or know it has happened ... the staff does monitor who up/down votes what. Abuse of the system, trolling it for kicks or just going all "I'll down vote everything in this thread," is relayed/watched/handled. None of the MODS handle that (except for relay), the direct staff does and have done a great job.
On the conservative side, I spend about a 1/2 hour scanning forum topics every night. I wish I could devote more time. The one issue that drives many crazy is passing judgement on what someone wants to talk about/blog about/ponder as being un-worthy, stupid, etc. Not every post is popular nor is every thought. I would hope that everyone can keep in mind that:
A) Even if it has been covered 2,376,156 times ... they may just not know. Maybe they didn't see the skully talking about it.
B) Maybe they just want their own space for a specific topic to banter on! There is nothing wrong with that and is in fact, encouraged.
C) There are new people registering all the time. Every poster on here would hopefully embrace them.
D) If you truly dislike a topic or find it idiotic, nothing forces you to make that comment. We can all click that close button without intentionally interjecting a snide remark to something a person may have put thought into.
Opinions are encouraged here. Attacking someone is not. It is easy to disagree without insults and there is a reason this site has the volume it does. Don't squelch it, turn the volume up.
 
Bucks

Poison nuts's picture

Right on Bucks!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

TBDBITL0509's picture

Thanks for posting, Squirrel Master.
I think the only thing that bugs me about downvoting right now is when someone gets a downvote for bringing an alternate point of view (without being a jerk). I enjoy the conversation that typically occurs on 11W, so I hate to see that type of conversation somewhat discouraged.
Keep downvoting the "*yawn*" and "herp derp" type comments - we're better than that.

Squirrel Master's picture

Well that is why I say you gotta ignore it and know that your fellow commentors will upvote to counteract a 1-2 downvote due to ignorance. If you jump the second someone gives you a downvote, the typical reaction has been an outlash towards the downvoter and tends to get you in more trouble. Let the system counterbalance the act and you should be fine. If you see that you are getting 4-5 downvotes, then it might be something to look at and do the suggestions I gave.
I have seen some comments get downvote that had no business getting a downvote. You just know it is someone who is just downvoting to be an ass or maybe they just don't agree and downvote for their own personal reasons. Its going to happen despite how much we protest. When someone says "hi" and they get a downvote, then you know it is actually something else and not just an attack on that comment. That is when the staff will back us up!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

hail2victors9's picture

I'm not overly concerned about the downvotes...I mean, you guys call them Buckeye helmet stickers so it's kinda...bleh.
Anyway, TOS limits the posters to 3 downvotes per day and I think 22 upvotes.  I think that would be a good way to stop the misguided downvoters.  Or even limiting it to one downvote per thread or something.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

Squirrel Master's picture

Hence why I think you and M Man need to be in the lead for the MOST BUCKEYES YOU CAN GET!!!
THEN WE WILL TELL ALL YOUR UM FRIENDS ABOUT IT!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!