Best QB in the B10

SouthernBuckeye1's picture
October 14, 2013 at 10:07p
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I know this is not going to be popular, and I'm going to preface with I'm a diehard buckeye fan. But, the best QB in the B10 IMO is Hackenburg at Penn St. The command of the offense, along with his poise, accuracy and arm strength is incredible.  He is getting pro coaching, something Ohio St QB's do not get. This is year 3 for Braxton and still hasn't reached his full potential. He will be another project going into the NFL just like Terrelle Pryor, and could eventually be a great pro.  The best thing Urban could do is hire a coach who knows how to coach a QB, because we didn't have that with Tressel, and we still don't have that with Urban. 2 weeks in San Diego with George Whitfield is not sufficient, we need a QB guru on staff.  Hackenburg was playing high school football this time last year, and for him to play that we'll against a Greg Mattison coached defense is impressive. Give a lot of credit to Bill Obrien for putting him in situations to be successful, but Christian Hackenburg made great decisions most of the day, and to me, looked like he is heads and shoulders the best QB in the B10.

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UncleBuck's picture

He's not the best QB in the B1G yet. That is ridiculous, still plenty of freshman mistakes. He will be the best QB in the B1G someday, but not this season and probably not next season either.

BoBo16's picture

I completely agree with you. Not to mention that the offense that they are running is probably only 1/4 to a 1/3 of O'Briens actual playbook.

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Nick's picture

Best QBs in the B1G (honestly)
1. Braxton Miller
2. Kenny Guiton
3. The rest suck

45has2's picture

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saltybuck61's picture

Saying that Hackenburg is "head and shoulders" above every other quarterback in the B1G is hyperbole to say the least. While yes, he looks excellent given time to throw, he struggles when he is pressured. He will sometimes force throws. I would take Miller, Martinez, Guiton, Northwestern QB's, and maybe even Stave over Hackenburg right now. Well maybe not Stave. Don't get me wrong, he throws one of the prettiest balls you will see, but I don't trust him to lead an offense. In a few years, he may be the best quarterback in the B1G without a doubt. He played at a high level against Michigan, and he has a bright future.
I also think that the job Herman has done with Miller and Guiton has been excellent. Miller looked unbelievable against Wisconsin with his arm. He looked good against Northwestern until he got into the red zone. Three turnovers will hurt, no matter what kind of game he has. I will still take this year's Miller over last year's Miller easily. I might even take this year's Guiton over last year's Miller.

bassplayer7770's picture

I agree that Braxton (and Guiton and Cardale and Barrett) is getting fine coaching from Herman.  I recall a certain Heisman winner who also had a respected QB coach, and even he didn't realize his full potential until his Senior year.  Sometimes, it just takes time, but Braxton is definitely showing glimpses of his improvement.  He just needs to be more consistent (and hold on to the ball).

saltybuck61's picture

Very well said, nicely done.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

I would take Hackenburg over Braxton right now. Braxton was a turnover away from getting benched 9 days ago.  

Nick's picture

Braxton is undefeated this year vs 2 ranked teams. Hackenburg lost at home to central florida.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

How did Braxton look at Northwestern, they won despite him. A 3rd year starter close to getting benched.

cajunbuckeye's picture

 6 interceptions and 14 sacks. That's what has you excited about Hackenburg?

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SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Did you watch the Michigan game? I appreciate you giving his season stats, I'd be curious to see Braxton's as well.  Braxton was close to that against Northwestern alone wasn't he?

cajunbuckeye's picture

My bad, it was his 2 picks, 50% completions, and negative rushing yards against scUM that makes him a better QB than Miller.

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SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Or maybe it was his 300 yards passing and 3 TD's, 6 games into his college career. I bet Braxton won't throw for 300 against michigan 3 years into his.

LouGroza's picture

Maybe the comeback was exciting but had those DBs played the ball on those last two passes and knocked them down, perception would be very different. On the first catch, the kid didn't even realize he caught it until he hit the ground. It was one of those games when everything went the right way. Hackenberg is an above average freshman QB getting playing time. He is very slow and deliberate in his drops and delivery. See what happens when the OSU pass rush is on him. Also think Braxton was still mentally recovering from the knee injury at NW. Felt like he didn't completely trust it.

bcarp87's picture

Gotta say I don't feel like this deserves all the downvotes. Some of his other posts like when he calls people idiots completely deserve infinity downvotes, but I hope we are better than downvoting because we disagree...

saltybuck61's picture

I don't believe that all of the downvotes are for differing opinions (although some are). I think that people are giving him downvotes because he neglects to add any evidence.
His point is fine. If he wants to argue that Christian Hackenburg is the best quarterback in the conference, all is fair game. However, he never explains why he is the best quarterback in the conference. On the rare occasion he does provide evidence, it is skewed and often doesn't take into account what others have done. He will say that Hackenburg had one great game against Michigan, but since Braxton didn't play well against Northwestern, Hackenburg is the better quarterback. Taking one quarterback's best game and another's worst game is not the best way to argue.
People on this site can accept a different opinion for the most part, but when someone doesn't give a reason for an opinion, it just looks like he/she is trying to piss everyone off. This is probably not the intention, but it is perceived that way.

saltybuck61's picture

Maybe, but having turnovers can do that to you. If Hackenburg had a backup like Smooth Jazz, he may have already been benched.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Is Guiton that good or is Braxton that bad?

saltybuck61's picture

Guiton is that good. Braxton shouldn't have been benched, and he wasn't. He didn't play spectacularly against Northwestern, but most of that was due to turnovers. I would take them both over Hackenburg, because they have been incredibly efficient. Hackenburg is definately some eye candy, the kid can sling it, but he isn't quite to their level yet. He has the potential to be though.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

I can see that, I think we are going to have our hands full with him for at least the next 2 years.

ChazBuckeye's picture

I can't take this guy seriously after reading this....some die hard fan...huh?

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weirdscience's picture

"I would take Hackenburg over Braxton right now. Braxton was a turnover away from getting benched 9 days ago."
 
Can't wait to do the QB comparison after the Buckeyes beat the Nits like a drum in a couple of weeks. Will you still snub Braxton then? Even with all the crap that Brax takes from fans (myself included), he has a far better QB rating than Hack, but against far better competition. Objectively, Braxton>>>Hack. 

cajunbuckeye's picture

I know this isn't going to be popular, but Joe Bauserman would start at Penn State.

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SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Bill Obrien turned Matt mcgloin into an nfl QB, is Bauserman doing commercials for Germain Toyota yet?

cajunbuckeye's picture

McGloin is one of my favorites

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SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Favorite or not, he is in the league. Where is Bauserman, or any other QB allowed back on campus at the moment.

cajunbuckeye's picture

Easy buddy, the Penn State fan is coming out in you. If your happy about undrafted Matt catching on in the NFL, I'm happy for you.

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SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Not a Penn state fan at all, I realize ohio state fans oppose objectivity (herbstreit reference), but I call it like I see it, ohio state fan or not. Buckeye fans need to take off the scarlet and gray goggles and understand they play football outside the state of Ohio.

cajunbuckeye's picture

That's pure blue and white in your eyes, southern.

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SouthernBuckeye1's picture

So sensitive. let me get my kid gloves for you.

unholy bucknut's picture

You're insulting our entire fanbase for the sins of the few. I myself and plenty of other fans are capable of taking homerism out of our opinions and comments. Tread lightly brother. We are all family here.

jkrk's picture

That is just a NASTY amount of moxie.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Need I remind you that McGloin is Pryor's backup

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Poison nuts's picture

I'd take Guiton over Hackenburg. Plenty of poise & more options. When Braxton has his magic going - I'd take him over most QBs out there. Problem with Braxton, the magic is not there consistently. I hope the guy on the other thread was right that Braxton is about to have big numbers for the rest of the year...

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unholy bucknut's picture

Hackenberg is going to be a monster in the future. I've watched Penn St. quite a bit this season as they're my brothers team. Hackenberg played his best game Saturday you can't base that he is the best in the B1G on one game. He looks like a true freshman every other game this season Miller and Guiton are both better choices than Hackenberg not to mention Colter from Northwestern is better than Hackenberg. Martinez when healthy is better than Hackenberg. Kid is going to be great especially if O'Brien sticks around look out.

Armybuck925's picture

Here is how I see the B1G quarterbacks:
1. Braxton
2. Stave
3. Guiton
4. Hackenberg
1001. Gardner
In that order!!

ScarletNGrey01's picture

UM fans are actually longing for DRob ... that's how sad that situation is.

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sharks's picture

They'd probably settle for one of the Forcier bros at this point

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LeftCoastBuck's picture

Yeah....absolutely great!

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Hackenburg will be a good one, but he can only dream about throwing some of the accurate, long distance bullets Brax threw in the Wisconsin game (on a gimpy knee no less) much less even thinking about running as well as Miller ... ever. 

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Hackenberg is too inconsistent. It's like saying James Vandenberg was the best QB in the B1G last year. The best QB? It's really Braxton by default just because he can do so much that Hackenberg can't do and he forces you to gameplan differently. 2nd best is probably Nathan Scheelhaase, Joel Stave, Kain Colter/Trevor Sieman's illegitimate offspring and then Hackenberg.

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UncleBuck's picture

UM should put in Shane Morris. That guy is gonna be Lefty Brady, but good before he gets to the pros. Also, he scores hotter chicks than Brady and will probably win more super bowls. 
-Last year's scUM fanbase

Bugsyk's picture

He's doing well in a system designed for him NOT to screw up: Safe passes, few risky plays, small reads, etc.  Talented sure, but the best?  Against what defenses?  Sudfeld is killing it, Scheelhaase statistically grades out around 300 yds\game.  Hack isn't a hack, talented kid.  Head and shoulders above these others is hyperbole akin to a Taylor Swift song.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

against a Greg Mattison michigan defense. He led his team against one of the best coordinators in college football, as a true freshman. He looked like a 5th year senior Saturday night. His accuracy is way better than Braxton, and I would take that over mobility any day.

GABuckeye's picture

Are you basing him being the best QB in the conference off ONE win against a BAD Michigan team whose defense is NOT GOOD?!?!  Whatever you're on is toxic.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Listen, I have watched a lot of B10 football, as unwatchable as it is. What I am saying is, in my opinion, he looked like the best QB in the conference, and I realize that's not saying much.  He is way ahead of where Braxton was 2 years ago and is looking better and better every week. I thought Ohio st fans had an eye for talent, clearly I was wrong.  

GABuckeye's picture

When you have to argue with EVERY single poster on here since EVERYONE disagrees with you, maybe you're the one that's wrong.  

buckeyeEddie27's picture

lol
So much troll in this one post it's ridiculous.   

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thePhilipJFry's picture

I would like to think that the best quarterback in the big ten could complete more that 38% of his passing attempts against Kent State.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

I didnt say he was the best QB in his 4th collegiate game ever!! I'm saying at this point of the season, he is the best QB in the conference genius.

thePhilipJFry's picture

Are you saying that I'm jumping to a conclusion based on one performance and instead look for more data?
Wait actually what you are saying is I should evaluate him on one performance . . . I should just choose the same game you did and ignore the fact that 21% of his passing output in that game came on two jump balls in the fourth quarter.
There is reason for Penn State fans to be excited about the future of Hackenberg.  But proclaiming him the best quarterback in the big ten right now is the kind of level headed logic that brought us Tate Forcier for Heisman.  Seriously that was a thing.

TheShookster's picture

Tate Forcier, if I'm not mistaken the first in a long line of September Heisman candidates that wore the winged helmet and used the Notre Dame game as a launchpad for their short-lived campaign.

weirdscience's picture

Southern is taking a swing at standup comedy now. He'll be opening for Rich Rodriguez at the Ann Arbor Comedy Showcase next weekend. 

Kindell's picture

Christian Hackenberg is starting because they have no one else on their roster and they have nothing to play for but the future.  He beat out a bunch of walk on's and a JUCO transfer for the starting QB spot.   I think that Miller, Guiton, and Scheelhaase are all much better than Hackenberg right now.  I would have agreed with you if you said something like Hackenberg could have the most potential of any of the BIG starting QB's right now.
 You just can't say he is the best QB in the conference right now.  I could make an argument that Nate Sudfeld is playing better than Hackenberg right now.  He has better numbers and he beat him in a head to head matchup.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

I totally disagree. Hackenburg is starting because the kid can play. And he is better right now as a true freshman than all other QB's in this mediocre conference, with the exception of one, maybe. The names your mentioning like Scheelhause, Stave, Martinez and Sudfeld is completely laughable, he would start over all of them. And your argument that he beat him in a head to head matchup is flat ridiculous, this isn't boxing. Peyton Manning once lost to Elvis Grbac, so there you go.

ChazBuckeye's picture

Stave has better passing stats...and less pass attempts.
Stave: 97-157 61% and 11 td 6 ints
Hackenberg 132-226 58% 11 td and 6 ints
I'd say that's pretty mediocre...wouldn't you?
Oh just for fun...
Kenny G.  65-95 68% 13 tds 2 ints
Braxton Miller 49-75 65% 6td 2ints.
I'd say we all know who the best B1G QBs are sir...thank you for trying.

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Kindell's picture

If you read my comment again, never did I mention Martinez or Stave.  You are right about Martinez though.  If I needed to win one game, I would trust Martinez over Hackenberg.  Please go read the stats and tell me that Hackenberg is still the best QB in this conference.  He has a 131.3 QB rating which is good for 7th in the conference of QB's who are qualified.  How is Sudfeld and Scheelhasse completely laughable?  You don't even make an argument, you just say he would start over all of them.
Nate Sudfeld, QB IND 118-192 1604 YDS 61.5 PCT  8.4 AVG 13 TD 6 INT  147.7 RATING
Nathan Scheelhaase, QB ILL 95-148 1297 YDS 64.2 PCT  8.8 AVG 72 12 TD 4 INT 159.2 RATING
Hackenberg 132-226 1672 YDS 58.4 PCT 7.4 AVG 11 TD 6 INT 131.1 RATING
Both of these QB's have better numbers than Hackenberg and you said they are laughable.  Also, neither one of these QB's have an Allen Robinson to throw to either.  He is playing with better talent with worse stats.  I guess stats don't matter either though right?  By the way Martinez, Colter, Miller have better QB Ratings than Hackenberg but don't have the attempts yet.  You are looking at his potential and saying he is the best.  I said I agree on the  potential, but to say he is the best as an 18 year old is absolutely insane, and there is nothing to back it up.  So we can agree to disagree because it's not worth arguing. 

45has2's picture

Dude, it's totally ok to come on here with a Happy Valley, East Lansing, Tuscaloosa, A2 or whatever screen name. You don't have to hide behind a Buckeye identity to troll.

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Hackenberg will be a great QB, in time.  To crown him the best QB in tB1G is no offense, a joke IMO.  He isn't that great and if he was, then PSU wouldn't of relied on an OT win against TTUN.  
Die hard fan or not, you're WAY too premature on crowning Christian the best QB in tB1G. Will he be eventually, very possible.  Not now and if this is in reaction to a blown win by TTUN, I'd say pump the breaks man.  TTUN had no reason to lose that game...none what so ever.  They blew it more so than Hackenberg winning it himself because he's SO good.

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SouthernBuckeye1's picture

Like I have explained throughout the thread, I'm not saying that he is great right now, I'm saying he is really good, and the rest of the QBs in this conference are not.

ChazBuckeye's picture

You just said above that you'd rather have Hackenberg over Braxton.  Are you freaking serious man?  You should scroll up and see what your fingers have been typing...just saying.  I can't take anything you've typed seriously, no offense.  

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Borrowed Time's picture

Please go away. All I've seen from you is Hackenberg is better than Braxton (based on one game) and Tom Herman needs to be fired (based on ... being undefeated as our OC and creating a monster offense?).
Diehard Buckeye fan? Something's not adding up.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

I've seen all I need to see out of Braxton. And as far as being a diehard buckeye fan, I guess you can't praise another teams player, and criticize your own team and still not be considered diehard. I see now what Herbie was talking about with Ohio St fans, not objective at all.  The majority of Ohio St fans cannot handle the truth, especially fans sitting behind a keyboard on an Ohio St site.

Borrowed Time's picture

You can absolutely praise another team's player, and criticize our own. But it should be done fairly and objectively. <--- not sarcasm font
For example, Marcus Mariotta is absolutely killing it at Oregon right now, and I believe he is playing on a level way higher than Braxton is.
Christian Hackenberg has played like the true freshman he is up to this point, and had ONE good game against a MEDIOCRE Michigan defense.
Braxton Miller had a terrific game against Wisconsin, and then a bad game against Northwestern. But don't forget he was a Heisman contender last year (and probably THE frontrunner the beginning of this year until he was injured). 
You've seen all you need to see out of Braxton? What about his RIDICULOUS ceiling and potential? Is it not objective to believe he will improve again next year, based on how much his passing has already improved this year because of Tom Herman's tutelage? 
You think the objective opinion is that Hackenberg is better than Braxton RIGHT NOW?
Second point - why on earth do you think Tom Herman should be fired? 
Again, please go away, troll.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

you're an idiot. I didn't say anything about firing Herman. And your comment about Mariota playing at a way higher level than Braxton, well no kidding, thanks for that valuable insight. Those 2 shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.
As far criticizing our own players, I think I'm being more than fair and objective, I haven't completely bashed Braxton, just thrown some harsh criticism his way, which people on here cannot handle.
One has 30+ career games
One has 6 games
On the Season:  Braxton Miller 6 TD's 2 INT's 65% Completion %
                        Christian Hackenburg 11 TD's 6 INT's 58 Completion %
 
 

Borrowed Time's picture

In the Lane Kiffin thread, where the theoretical situation is Herman leaves for another job and Kiffin replaces him as our OC:

Herman can get stepping, I swear Jim Bollman was calling plays at Northwestern.

So I guess you didn't call for him to be fired, but you do say Herman can leave. Which, by the way, is completely ridiculous.
Whatever, you're already at -50. Hopefully that means you're done. Talking to you feels like talking to an irrational Penn State fan.

saltybuck61's picture

This is an unfair comparison to Braxton, considering he has only played 3 full games this year, compared to Hackenberg's 6. If you would like to compare their stats through each quarterback's first three full games of the year (San Diego St. will be ommitted, as Miller only played for less than one offensive series, going 2 for 2 with 30 yards passing and 1 rush for 5 yards on the ground), then their stats look like this:
Braxton Miller: 47-73 / 579 yards passing 65% Completion 6TD/2INT     56 Rushes / 228 yards
Christian Hackenberg: 66-92 851 yards passing 72% Completion 4TD/3INT   14 Rushes/-31 yards
These are Hackenberg's most efficient games as well as being his first. Hackenberg played these games against Syracuse, Eastern Michigan, and UCF. Miller played his games against Buffalo, Wisconsin, and Northwestern, two of which were in the top 25 at the time. This isn't necessarily a pro Braxton argument at all. However, comparing their touchdowns is unfair to Braxton when Hackenberg has played more games.

Buckeytrips's picture

one missed 3 games and the other one did not. apples and oranges my friend. plus back to one of your other stupid posts. braxton did not have a qb coach when was a freshman like hack has a psu. stop talking out of your ass and make a fair comparison on the two which you have not yet.

Killer nuts's picture

Braxton has a better completion percentage, more yards per attempt and a better TD/INT ratio. Not to mention he is a much more dynamic runner. This is a fool's argument

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

He should have better stats, he is a 3rd year starter. Hackenburg has played 6 games!!

shortbus20's picture

Let me start off by saying you are delusional. OSU doesn't have to throw the ball every down because we have a RUNNING game.
What good are stats when your team stinks(PSU) and you have to throw the ball all the time. I will take Braxton and 18 wins.

 

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Killer nuts's picture

You are arguing that Hackenberg is better right now than Braxton is right now. Braxton has better stats. This is probably true because he has more experience than Hackenberg. Also because of that experience Braxton is better than Hackenberg. Which means Hackenberg is NOT the best QB in the Bigten as you argue.

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

I'll concede that maybe Miller is a little better right now, but he still has a long way to go, and I dont think that we will see his potential while he is a buckeye. With that said, If I was starting my team right now, I would take Hackenburg all day.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

It's Hackenberg. If you're going to troll, at least get your names right.

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Borrowed Time's picture

just to point out your hypocrisy and obvious trolling:

I'll concede that maybe Miller is a little better right now

I would take Hackenburg over Braxton right now. Braxton was a turnover away from getting benched 9 days ago.

cplunk's picture

I agree with you in that Hackenburg WILL be a stud. I predicted before the year started that he'd win the job just after watching him in whichever recruit game it was he played in. He has a lot of the checkboxes needed to become a truly great college QB. His stats are pretty good for a freshman leading a depleted roster.
That said, there is a difference between what WILL BE and what is NOW. Right now, Braxton is a stud. There are some issues with his game- of which he will be the first to tell you- but his abilities are amazing. An offensive coordinator right now with Braxton gets to scheme how to use his skills against the defense. I guarantee Penn State's offensive coordinator spends his time scheming how to protect Hackenburg by utilizing only those plays that work with his current strengths. That's part and parcel of young guys.
RIGHT NOW, I would take Kenny G over Hackenburg. Kenny is the ultimate game manager, and has some physical skills as well. 
By the end of his career, Hackenburg will be a top QB in the B1G, possibly someone mentioned with the greats (although much depends on how that roster builds an offensive line with their scholarship/recruiting gap over the past year), but you're jumping the gun in calling him that right now.

dwcbuckeye's picture

Just got to ignore this guy, he has over 60 negative votes and is just trying to be controversial.  I read some of his other posts and most are negative about the Bucks.  I believe he is a troll.
 
Also he has only been a member of 11W since Oct 11 - 4 days ago.  Bye Bye Southern

DLB1276's picture

Please, go start your own team.

buckguy10's picture

It's posts like these that make me wish I have earned enough buckeye stickers to have voting rights.

fanosu99's picture

You do now- thank me later

hail2victors9's picture

Right now, I'd rather have Braxton over Hackenburg.  If they were in the same class, it would simply come down to the offense my team runs.  If O'Brien had the choice, right now, he'd take Braxton over Hack, IMO.

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45has2's picture

He'd take the Ol' Right Hander over Hackensux.

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teddyballgame's picture

One is a freshman and the other is a Junior, theres no comparison...
Hackenberg may be a better freshman prospect at this point in time than Braxton was when he was a fresh though.

fanosu99's picture

All bias aside I can honestly say at this level I'll take Braxton over Hackenberg every time. 

Poison nuts's picture

It's funny, but back when I saw this thread title, I thought it said "Best BBQ in the B1G" and I thought it was about M*ch*gan.

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OSU069's picture

1. Braxton Miller
2. Kenny Guiton
3. Christian Hackenburg

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Hackenberg certainly has the potential to become the best QB in the B1G in the future.  But come on - right now, he's lucky to be in the top half of starting QBs in the B1G.  And TTUN's defense...Greg Mattison or not, they're not that great.  He did pull off the OT forcing drive...and then it took 4 OT possessions for PSU to finally score a TD. 

Class of 2010.

Haybucks's picture

I didnt say he was the best QB in his 4th collegiate game ever!! I'm saying at this point of the season, he is the best QB in the conference genius.

you're an idiot. I didn't say anything about firing Herman. And your comment about Mariota playing at a way higher level than Braxton, well no kidding, thanks for that valuable insight. Those 2 shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

Name calling and sarcasm are not ways to win friends and influence people.  Take a Dale Carnegie course.
 
 

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pjtobin's picture

Don't feed the trolls! I thought that Braxton has looked better this year passing the ball. A few deep throws that only the wr could get. He came out looking great against NW. Then he had those turnovers happen. That got into everyone's head. When we needed him to make plays he did. He would have set the same record of 6 td in one game had he not been hurt. I will say he had the worst game I ever seen him play our last game. I don't know anything about the state pen qb. I don't care to. We hear all this hype about qbs over the last few years. Then they play us. A real d1 team. Even with a shaky d I see us winning the big. Mostly because no other big team has a Braxton Miller  . Or Hyde. Or RDS. Especially UFM. 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Couldn't disagree more.  Hackenburg is not the best QB in the conference. 
 
Braxton and Kenny G are much more complete QBs. 
 
Go Bucks!

Brutus&#039; Left Nut's picture

TROLL!
The only argument here is whether Hackenberg as a senior will be better than Braxton as a Senior.  Right now, Hackenberg is still very raw and just performed well at home in a night game.  How will Hackenberg do on the road in a hostile environment?
I think Hackenberg has a ton of potential.  I'll admit, I think he will probably be the best QB in the BIG10 at some point.  But, don't overreact and crown him as the best now.  I'd take at least 3 QBs over him at this point, maybe more (Braxton, Kenny, Taylor Martinez).
Also, despite you being a troll, I think it's worth pointing out that Herman is a helluva QB coach.
Either way, I compliment you on your timely trolling and success.

Eddie-Eddie's picture

Does anyone still think Hackenburg is the best QB in the B1G after last night?
 
Braxton #1, Kenny G #2 
Go Bucks!

SouthernBuckeye1's picture

That was what I expected out of Braxton and the offense all season. But to answer your question, no, I no longer think Hackenberg is currently better than Braxton. It looks like things are finally clicking for Braxton. He has improved a ton since the Buffalo game. It sounds like he is finally understanding how to study game tape, as well as understanding the offense as a whole. He looked great against a solid defense, and I hope he can keep making these type strides from now until the bowl game.