A Case for El Guapo

Seth4Bucks's picture
November 16, 2013 at 5:05p

Many Buckeye fans think that Carlos Hyde is a good back but not quite good enough to be worthy of elite back status. I'm not here to argue that Carlos is the best back in OSU history, however I do think that he deserves to be mentioned when people talk about the great back in OSU history. There are still likely four more games left in Carlos' Buckeye career and his carries, yardage, and TD totals will only increase. However as of the end of the Illinois game, Carlos still has some pretty impressive numbers. Carlos' recent 246 yards in the Illinois game is good (great) enough to earn him a 3rd place tie with Archie Griffin for most yards in a game. You're doing alright if you share anything with Archie himself. Oh and Hyde scored three more TDs and got his yards on six less carriers than the great Archie.

Totals (current as of Illinois game)

- Season (projected at current pace*)

120 (188) carries, 947(1485) yds, 7.9 YPC avg, 135 YPG, 11(16.5) TD

- Career (projected at current pace*)

435(503) carries, 2624(3162), 6.3 YPC avg, 93 YPG, 33(38.5) TD

At 135 YPG, he's on pace to finish in 5th place all time in YPG average for the season behind George, Byars, and Archie (twice). First place is Eddie George at 148 and fourth place is 141. Throw out his five carry, 41yd day vs FAMU and Carlos' average is up to a heady 151 YPG average. Even with that game on the books, Carlos has a great chance of finishing high in the OSU record books in that category. Just as an FYI, current 5th place for season numbers is held by Tim Spencer with 128 YPG. Carlos' career YPG numbers project him to finish 4th just behind Beanie's 93.9 average and ahead of Robert Smith's 88.4 average.

Hyde now has 33 TDs in his career. If he keeps his average for the season, Carlos will finish with 38-39 TDs in his career. This would place him in 4th place behind Eddie's 44 TDs and ahead of Tim Spencer's 36 TDs.

Carlos has 11 100+ yard games, you have to figure he'll finish with 15. All these numbers would get a huge boost had he not been suspended for the three games at the start of the season. For example, his projected yards for the season without the suspension would have been 1,890 yards & 21 TDs. Those numbers could have meant Carlos would've contended for season rushing record and career TD numbers. Again that's with that 5 carry, 41 yard performance against FAMU. Had he not been suspended, he would have probably toted it more than 5 carries in that game.

Still it's hard to argue that Carlos isn't having a special season and should go down as one of the top backs in OSU history. In the end though his legacy at OSU could be decided by the results of the final two games of his career. How does he do on the big stage when the pressure on? How will he respond when OSU needs him with a potential B10 championship, BCS win, or NCG game on the line? Take a look at the second half of last season NW, Wisconsin, & Iowa games this season if there are any worries about how OSU will fare when they're counting on Carlos.


* Assumes B10 championship and bowl games

Source: http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/graphics/pdf/m-footbl/1112_guide_8records1.pdf & ESPN stats

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AlphaMaleBettor's picture

If I were a defensive player, this would be THE last player in the country I would want to try tackling.
Dude is a freaking beast. 230 + pounds of strength and power coming downhill at you, @ the rate of about a 4.3 - 4.4.
Freight train!

Seth4Bucks's picture

Throw in an excellent run blocking O-Line and a QB in Miller who's a threat to run it or pass it. Stack the box and Carlos might just pick up the 1st down anyway or BM will pick you apart. Drop back in coverage and get steamrolled by Carlos. I almost feel bad for any DC who faces OSU the rest of the way.

RedsBuckeyeBoy's picture

He deserved to be punished, but I wonder what his numbers would look like if he hadn't missed the first 3 games. Would it have been enough to put him in the heisman discussion?

Oakland Buckeye's picture

would be heisman favorite...

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

He deserved to be punished,

For what?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

TNbuckeye91's picture

getting accused of hitting a female. i mean, ya know, accusations are always 100% truth, right? i mean everyone did find out on the internet, and everything on the internet is true

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Chise47's picture

Yeah, for what ?
UFM was/is setting the standard because of the Florida debacle. His standards will be much higher on a no tolerance basis.
Saben, Miles and Jimbo Fischer should take note!!

Whoa Nellie's picture

Intangibles to love about El Guapo:
Never loses yardage
Never goes down to the first hit
Gets stronger as the game wears on
Seeks the end zone on every play
Dishes punishment while absorbing everything thrown at him
Looking forward to watching him at the "next level".  He'd look great in brown and orange.  But first, a little more business to take care of.

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

KBonay's picture

Ball security. 

Chise47's picture

Pass protection.

UrbanCulture's picture

I honestly would be ok with not running a single pass play vs scUM just to see el quap abuse their defense. 

Chise47's picture

I, by no means, an evaluation expert, have to say those who don't think El Guapo elite will rethink later.
He never looks down when running through the line when bodies are sprawled out all around him.
The lateral hop, right or left, to juke a man is highly underestimated because he is stereotyped as a 'power back'. (Which has some validation!!!)
His hands. Catches with his HANDS, not his body. 
He will be a good Pro back. Easily.

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Honestly, I think he could probably be in the Heisman conversation if he had played the entire season.
Not saying at all that he would win it, but he'd at least be in that talk.
Nonetheless, it's been a great season inlimited time for El Guapo and I certainly think he can be talked of as one of the better backs in tOSU history.  I'd put him top 15.

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RedStorm45's picture

Top 15?  Name me 14 backs ahead of him.

BullCityBuckeye's picture

I don't care if Hyde is the best RB in the country and/or tOSU history.  However, he definitely is my favorite Buckeye running back.  That grown man has been clutch (i.e., performance and reliability) so many times these past two seasons, I am beginning to lose count.  I wouldn't trade him for anyone.

warosu's picture

Enough stats, I'm all in!!! Mix between Beanie & The only 2× Heisman winner!!

Buckeye4life23's picture

Wow the stats he is on pace to make are incredible despite missing three games! He would definitely be in the Heisman talk if he played the entire season.

Muck Fichigan that is all.

Frankly Scarlet's picture

A couple of months ago I started a thread suggesting Hyde is our best back since Eddie, which received a lukewarm-at-best reception. Curious to know if any opinions have changed over the past few games?
Beanie had better breakaway speed and that ridiculous stiff-arm; MoC had the great vision and speed; Pittman was underrated, Boom was solid not great. None of them ran with the sheer violence and force of will Hyde runs with - and I would argue that his feet and vision are on par w/Mo C.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

My opinion hasn't changed. He's not better than Beanie.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

BEASTMODE34's picture

Don't get me wrong I love Beanie, but he was made of paper mache.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Why do people act as if he missed 10 games? :/

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Oyster's picture


"Scrolling hurts my finger"

(and FitzBuck was clearly the winner)

WhySoSerious's picture

Lol yea right. 


Like the ball in the stands, we balls out

SaddleRiverBuckeye's picture

UFM's response has made him a better player IMO and additionally he will benefit from that lesson in the long run when he plays on Sunday or Sunday night  or Monday or Thursday next year.....(hard to keep up with the NFL these days)

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