The Herbstreit Move

Reens's picture
March 12, 2011 at 12:02p
95 Comments

I admittedly have no idea where a post like this goes, but I didn't want to hijack a basketball thread for a separate topic...and needed to vent.

My buddy writes for WFNY and they just posted this (from the Dipatch) - http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2011/03/kirk-herbstreit-moves-out-of-ohio-due-to-relentless-criticism-from-osu-fans/

This bothers me more than the Tressel situation. I've lived in Cleveland all my life outside of the 2yrs I lived in Columbus and Herbstreit is the Bernie Kosar to Cleveland. Hands down. I know everyone knows that or had drawn that comparison, but while I appreciate and love our passionate fans, they can be too much sometimes. I understand that that Columbus doesn't have pro teams and I understand that OSU football is a religion much like it is in Texas, but this is too much. Collectively, we drove one of OSU's greatest hero's out of his own flipping city. Yes, he helped create this mentality and embraced it, but this is now a national embarrassment. When this hits the national media, on top of this Tressel stuff, OSU will be one of the biggest mockery's out there. And to know that we as fans helped create this is absolutely disgusting.

We can all step back and say we weren't a part, and we may not have been individually. We may also not have been sending Herbie emails questioning his loyalty, but collectively, the voice of THE Ohio State fanbase has driven out a guy that we respected, loved, and always pointed to as someone who is a great figure-head of tOSU.

This may be over the top - but in my eyes it isn't. It's one thing to question his loyalty and roots, but it's entirely another situation when he is pushed out of his own hometown by the exact fanbase that heaved him on the pedestal.

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Luke's picture

If people showed up at my door to threaten me and my family simply for having the audacity to have an unpopular opinion despite being a great ambassador for my alma matter, I'd probably leave town too. Also: I don't live in Columbus either.

Reens's picture

Ambassador was the word I was looking for...d@mmit.

You're exactly right though. He will certainly take even more backlash from this move making him even happier he made the decision and most fans (or alum) even more disgusted.

William's picture

Because ambassadors get into pissing contests with 20 year olds, and ambassadors trash the players and coaches of their own alma mater too. I don't blame Herbstreit for moving, but good riddance. Also an OSU hero? What did he do in the Scarlet and Gray to deserve this distinction?

Reens's picture

I wouldn't say he's hero in a sense that he "saved" anything, but it's most certainly about what he represents for the school...not what he did in a uniform.

He didn't get into a pissing contest with Pryor - he called him out, then Pryor fired back and it erupted.

William's picture

He definitely got into a pissing contest with Pryor, he made a remark about Pryor that he had no business making. How he can as a person who doesn't even know Pryor, question his character? This is the player that Tressel vouches for as a player, leader, and student. Herbstreit is a tool, it's that simple.

Colby3333's picture

This post is almost as much garbage as the Schlabach article about Tressel posted by ESPN on Wednesday this past week.  Herbstreit needed to move.  Hopefully he will find his heart again if it really is with the Buckeyes?  His mouth is what caused him to leave Columbus and his pimp "ESPN."  The fans are crazy everywhere.  The minute he speaks poorly of Tennessee or Kentucky, his family will receive the same response in Tennessee as they received in Columbus.  That is part of being a media member and having an opinion and throwing it out there. 

I will disagree, Pryor did fire back and the whole thing erupted, but who should be the professional in this situation.  Herbstreit has lost a lot of respect from Buckeye Nation and deservably so.  He is supposed to be the grown up here.  Maybe jealousy has taken control of him.  Pryor's not the sharpest tool for sure, but he's a winner.......He's undefeated against Michigan and the SEC. 

Herbie sold out his Buckeye loyalty for his career and that is his choice.  You make your bed, you lie in it.

Reens's picture

Wow - almost as much garbage as Schlabach?? That's harsh cause that "article" was like a nerd in school finally avenging a bully.

I will agree with you that he shouldn't start anything with a college kid - he does know better. Could he be jealous? Maybe.

Listen, fans most certainly are crazy everywhere but that's not at all what's happening here. He received hate mail and in person threats on his family because of his objective opinions. You're casting him aside as if these fans are not at fault. Comparing Pryor to Herbie because he's a winner is exactly what I posted about above. Would you want Pryor representing tOSU as a whole on a national stage? On the field? Sure. But that's where it would end. Otherwise we're no better than USC.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

[quote]Wow - almost as much garbage as Schlabach?? That's harsh cause that "article" was like a nerd in school finally avenging a bully.[/quote]

 

You mean like this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUhqKsJ5Rvo

 

Look, threatening those cute kids and pretty wife is way out of bounds.  Nothing justifies that.  However.  At the same time....Cya.  I defended Herbstriet for the longest time when others ripped him.  I am convinced that the shit he spews sometimes is a script he is forced to read by his bosses at the world wide assholes.  But, when he rips Tressel's offense as vboring and allows his comments to be used as recruiting fodder by other schools and then votes the way he did after the ARkansas beat down...soryy.  He can claim he loves Ohio State all he wants.  Obama claims he has the best interests of the middle class at heart too.  They are both liars.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Colby3333's picture

You have stated that this situation combined with the Tressel deal will make a mockery out of Buckeye Nation.  Seriously?  I live in the South.  I hear trash about tOSU constantly.  This will not change any opinion about the way people "Nationally" feel about, or the media speaks of tOSU.  You either love tOSU or you don't.  Outside of Ohio, and especially in the South, tOSU is hated.....Why?  Because they win....period.  ESPN has had an ax to grind toward tOSU forever.  Look @ the MoC situation....his word was taken as the truth and the fact.  Look @ Woody.  The "National" media treated this man as if he was Hitler.  People outside of Ohio don't know anything about Woody but the one thing that brought him down.  Look, tOSU will always be trashed by ESPN and those in the "National" media.  They love to see the big guy fall and fail, and if they can get the credit for it, they are like the 5% to 10% fan base that ran Herbie out of Columbus.

I don't want Pryor being the spokesman for tOSU, actually, I wish he never talked at all.  He should just shut up and play.  But if tOSU is constantly going to be trashed by ESPN and Herbie is going to join in and not show some loyalty, then sympathy should go to the young men winning games, not those that are supposed to be professionals and not get themselves caught up in pissing contests with immature kids....come on?

I think Herbie is a study of the game and does a good job of it, but he has gone SEC big time over the past few years.  He's ESPN's hero, not a Buckeye hero....wow...what a statement you made?

For those of you that think he is a great commentator that shows no bias, go back and listen to his commentary for the Auburn and Oregon game.  You listen to him and you would have never known Oregon was on the field or even in the game for that matter.  This has been his recent trend for calling SEC games.

He's a sellout, he has lost his professional persona and now he is living where his heart may be....in SEC country.

Some "extreme" fans may be at fault here, but Herbie sure hasn't helped himself in this whole situation and 5% to 10% of a fan base doesn't make a mockery out of tOSU unless you are reporting for ESPN or the "National" media.  BTW.....with reporting and statements like the ones you gave in your original post "The Herbstreit Move,".......I hear ESPN may be hiring?

Reens's picture

Listen man, I was looking for a place to vent after I read the original article. This is posted in a rarely looked at section so I wasn't overly concerned with an attention grabbing headline. I'm not a reporter, I'm not affiliated with 11W, I'm an OSU fan with an opinion and a place to post it so take a breath. Looking at your post above, we'll never be on the same page so there's no point in carrying on. I will say this though - you calling Herbie a sellout and saying he has no loyalty is the misguided info I'm talking about. I lived in Columbus and heard plenty of stories on what he did in the community and constantly for the school. If you think that the majority of Columbus doesn't view him as a hometown hero, then you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not attacking, I'm stating facts. Are there plenty of fans that share your opinion? Absolutely. No question. But it's that smaller percentage he was talking about.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Reens's picture

And by the way - I absolutely despise ESPN so those are cutting deep. Ha.

William's picture

Colby3333 I agree completely.

poop's picture

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/01/herbie-the-impaler

Thank you Ramzy! The guy can dress his kids in OSU gear, cry his eyes out at the Woody Hayes Center, and claim he loves OSU all he wants. He goes the extra mile to be critical of our football teams - that's not necessarily being objective. The "addition by subtraction" comment was over the line as well as suggesting to parents that they not send their kids to play in Jim Tressel's offense. I say the same thing about his offense but my opinion doesn't influence kids and parents across the country. I'm not going to hurt recruiting efforts biatching about it to my friends. However, I agree that people should leave him and his family alone. Football isn't worth harassing a guy/family to move out of his home town. Get a grip!

Reens's picture

But I see it as an analyst making a comment about a player. Others see it as an OSU alum taking shots at a current OSU player. That's the difference in my mind. We take things much more personal when it has to do with OSU but tend to forget if there are other variables.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Herbie intentionally takes things too far when talking about Ohio State to make sure the nation and his ESPN/media superiors know that he is not a homer. End of story in my mind. I'm sure in his heart he roots for the Buckeyes, but that does it make it OK for him to do what he continually does.

William's picture

How many times have you seen any other analyst make remarks about players at his alma mater the way Herbstreit has? I never have. He's not an analyst commenting on a player's actions, he's a jealous prick who is envious at the fact that he doesn't even have any gold pants to sell.

JakeBuckeye's picture

"he's a jealous prick who is envious at the fact that he doesn't even have any gold pants to sell."

That's not true. His motives are to ensure the world and his superiors that he is not a homer.

Roger's picture

The harrassment is obviously wrong and classless. Herbstreit has gone out of this way to distance himself from the current administration and fanbase. He's turned into a soft, warm-weather, talking head. 

From my point of view: addition by subtraction.

tomcollins's picture

Herbstreit dropping the Buckeyes to #9 was enough to show me where his loyalties lie.  Good riddance.  I hope his kids are wearing Tennessee Orange on the next Gameday in Nashville.  It will prepare them for careers in picking up trash on the side of the road, a career path that Kirk should have entered.

btalbert25's picture

Good God folks, the man has been annoying on TV with his "objectivity" but seriously, how can anyone defend those fans who come to his house and threaten his family?  People who are willing to do that, are no different than the guy who poisoned the trees at Auburn.  If you life doesn't have any more meaning to it than the college football team you like, you are pathetic. 

When I was younger, I loved UK basketball.  I live in Kentucky, I've been to Rupp Arena more times than I can count, the reason I started to hate that school are ridiculous fans.  Two different times, when I was still a fan, I criticized UK for different things and a person in the group watching the game with me almost got violent with me.  The first time I was pissed, after the 2nd time I wanted to see that team lose every damn time they took the court.

I'm not commenting on Herbie's loyalty or lack there of because it's irrelevant here.  Some morons made it too unbearable for him to live in his home town that he loved.  This kind of stuff is EXACTLY why people hate Ohio State.  It's not just that the team wins, it's that the team wins and a sizeable portion of fans are so arrogant and ignorant that they can't be tolerated.  As much as we dont want to admit it, we aren't much different than the SEC in this regard folks.  It's not fair for the whole program to judged by a segment of their fans, but that's how it goes. 

tomcollins's picture

Who has defended anyone who has come to his house to harass him?

btalbert25's picture

Maybe not defended, but to just say " there are crazy fans everywhere" is just brushing it off like it's not big deal.  It is certainly a big deal.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Well then its certainly going to be a big deal in Tennessee as well if he ever speaks ill in any way towards UT. They are far worse than the way crazy Ohio State fans react. I'm surprised Lane Kiffin is alive, not a joke.

Honestly, I haven't looked into it all, but is the reason Herbie is moving because of mad Ohio State fans? This is the first time I've heard this. If it is, then that is an odd spot to move to if you want to avoid angry and crazy fans.

btalbert25's picture

Tennessee fans will never feel the way about Herbie that Ohio State fans do.  You can't betray a fan base that has always seen you as an Ohio State homer.  That's the real humor of the situation.  While Ohio State fans have ALWAYS bitched about Herbie(yes it existed before the Pryor pissing contest)  SEC fans and fans of other Big 10 schools have always dismissed everything he's said because he's an Ohio State homer in their eyes.  They won't care what he has to say in Tennessee.  Plus he's not moving to Knoxville anyway, where the real crazies are.

poop's picture

You're right, there were people that accused him of being biased against OSU all the way back (sarcasm) before the Pryor episode. I was on his side before it honestly, although I didn't appreciate his shots at the program. When has he ever said that offensive recruits shouldn't consider a program because of the offense? I can recall him saying that about OSU....and.....no one else. There are plenty of bad offenses out there but since he's the ex-Buckeye QB, he feels the need to be extra tough on us? How about insulting the offensive lineman? How about predicting that the loss to LSU would set the OSU program back 10 years? I also don't see how it's possible to drop both OSU and Arkansas 3 places after the Sugar Bowl. I agree with him sometimes, I love that he's not a homer, but I don't think it's his place to get into personal battles with players. At that point it seemed like he was just giving the middle finger to the team and fans. I regret that he felt the need to move from Ohio but it doesn't bother me that he's gone either. Good luck and good riddance.

/Quick, someone post a picture of Herbie jumping up during the national championship game to prove us all wrong.

buckeyedude's picture

Hey, maybe Herbie likes country music, Y'all?

 
 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Agree with Tom. No one has defended those kind of people. That doesn't change how I feel about Herbie.

Kurt's picture

Do you hate on Clark Kellog if he doesn't wax poetically about Ohio State 24/7?

buckeyedude's picture

Good point, Kurt. I heard Jim Jackson not fawning over the current b-ballers on the BT Network. Do we run him out of town too?

 
 

Reens's picture

Soon enough, I'm sure. If he doesn't bleed scarlet and gray on TV, he must be a fake Buckeye. It can't possibly be that he's just doing his job as an analyst...

JakeBuckeye's picture

Not true at all. He purposely slams us more than he would another team on live televison, during interviews, etc. etc. to further his career and to make everybody in the world know that he is unbiased. It translates into him actually being biased, but against Ohio State. That's my beef with how he acts and the words he speaks.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Not at all. Kellog is awesome, and if I weren't Ohio State fan I wouldn't know he had any connections to the university.

Pam's picture

According to Ken Gordon, Herbie has been considering moving for a long time. If some fans threatened him or his family (did people really show up at his house??) that may have been the final push, but not the only reason he moved.  Of course the "crazy buckeye fans ran me out of town" fits perfectly with his schitick of "I am only trying to do my job, don't hate me!"  And to think I actually thought he was cute.

Colby3333's picture

Do you think Tressel has ever had ill will cast toward he and his family?  Not just ill will, I mean serious threats that are aimed @ making him leave?  How about Joe Pa?  

That's why this whole issue is garbage.  The topic is directly aimed @ pointing out OSU as a "whole"....the fanbase....as being directly responsible for a few dumb---es that "may" have threatened Herbie & his family.  This is the sterotypical media crap that gets shoved in our faces all of the time.  The intent and basis of the opinion automatically tries to put people against OSU.....if it gets reported that way?

No one here has condoned serious threats toward he or his family.  We look around and see & hear a guy that probably should leave Columbus.  Not sure the reason for his leaving, but let's "JUST" automatically ASSume it"s threats from fans that caused him to move. 

If Herstreit ever states that he left Columbus because of fan threats aimed @ he & his family, he will have once again fired a shot @ OSU to ridicule and make a "mockery " of an entire school and program.  He will be feeding the fire.  Do you get the drift?

Thanks for finding this website to vent your opinion and provoking conversation, but I think you can see that overwhelmingly no one here is buying it.

Reens's picture

I can't disagree there, but I do have to say I'm surprised. While I do think that if one of the guys wrote this article and had it on the main page, it might not be so lopsided. Then again, I could be wrong.

nickma71's picture

Can't say I am suprised by his move to SEC land.

nickma71's picture

He is either incompetent or a liar. He dropped OSU because they had to be behind Wisconsin because of the regular season results. But that standard doesn't apply to his other love intrest, Oklahoma who was pounded by Missouri and has the same record as Missouri. He makes things up (like all media) then tries to prove his assertions. If he shut up and never came back I would be ok with it. Nor would he put Michigan State who handed Wisconsin their lunch and had the same record above Wisconsin. He is full of it.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

When Herbie did the interview with 11w, I was all aboard the Herbie bandwagon.  He had his little football thing that drove talented kids toward the Shoe, he went on Cowherd and defended the Bucks and professed his love, he seemed like he was back on the path to forever being loved by Buckeyes everywhere.  Then I watched as he just fell apart.  His Terrell Pryor comments, his comments during a blow out, about the Buckeyes and their crimes against humanity, dropping us after beating his newly beloved SEC and then making excuses for it (on B. Hooley's show nonetheless) after saying he wasn't going to make excuses for it.  You would have thought the Buckeyes were being directed by Cobra Commander or Hitler the way Herbie has treated them in the media and with his votes.

With all that being said, I've seen Herbie out in public and he was very cool with folks that approached him directly, even with his kids around.  I've also heard people spreading rumors about Herbie's private life, like he's a rock star or something.  If folks were approaching his house or his family or him, he has every reason to feel some angst.  Regardless if Tress gets this or not, he shouldn't have to deal with it.  His father was a captain, he was a captain and he paid it forward.  I think what bothers me most is tOSU seems to have lost his support and Herbie, seemingly, lost who he was.  I can forgive Herbie if he comes back.  I think 11w needs to secure another interview.

None of what I said excuses the idiots that approached his house, him directly or his family with any type of threat.  We as fans need to police ourselves and stop this ignorant behavior if it is happening.  

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

"Nobody loves Ohio State more than me," said Herbstreit, a former Buckeyes quarterback. "I still have a picture of Woody Hayes and my dad (Jim, a former OSU player) in my office, and nobody will do more than I do for the university behind the scenes. But I've got a job to do, and I'm going to continue to be fair and objective. To continue to have to defend myself and my family in regards to my love and devotion to Ohio State is unfair."

Herbstreit said he and his wife, Allison, visited several cities before deciding on Nashville. He will continue to do his Monday radio show on WBNS-FM (97.1) in the fall.

"From a sports perspective, this is rough," he said. "I love Ohio State. Love the Blue Jackets. Love the Reds. Those are my hobbies. I don't like moving. I love living here. I don't want to leave. But I just can't do this anymore. I really can't keep going like this.

"Eighty to ninety percent of the Ohio State fans are great. It's the vocal minority that make it rough. They probably represent only 5 to 10 percent of the fan base, but they are relentless."

Bob Hunter Dispatch Article

The_Lurker's picture

If you're a public figure and 80-90% of the public are great about things, you're ahead of the curve. Seems a tad wimpy to me to cut and run, although I certainly don't condone meathead behavior by anyone who thinks Herbie is a FAB. But if this is what it takes for Herbstreit to feel better and live his life, so be it. As a college football in-game analyst, I enjoy Herbie. It's all the other stuff where he's gone downhill the last few years. I don't doubt Herbstreit loves Ohio State (the institution), but it's pretty obvious what kool-aid he's been drinking the last several years and it's obvious he spouts the ESPN party line ad nauseum.

I don't think he's handling this adversity the right way, but if it works for him, great. Having lived through the John Cooper years, this seems in line with how Cooper's teams always handled adversity.

Also, that was some serious hyperbole to call Herbstreit "one of OSU's greatest heroes." 

Bucks's picture

I'm someone who has been pretty unhappy with Kirk's statements at times. It is somewhat ridiculous though to pass judgement on him as a person, decide for him where his loyalties are, decide if he loves Ohio State or not, and verbally assault him & his family in public.

 

I'll base my opinion on Kirk in what he does in the community and not what party lines are fed to him through ESPN for small portions of the year. To be perfectly frank, if he calls TP an idiot or immature ... so what? I certainly don't love the unwanted attention, but it's not like he is making something up.

Doc's picture

Boo Fuckin' Ho Herbie.  You have turned into one of the biggest cry baby pussies ever.  "5-10% of the fan base doesn't like me."  WTF!  I'm not condoning harassment to him and his family at home.  That is classless.  Kirk needs to grow a thicker skin if he is going to continue to put his comments out there.  My wife, who had a full on crush on the guy, is done with him.  She is about as involved in sports as I am in crocheting, and she is tired of him and his belittling Ohio State.

 

If you think you had it tough living here, wait till you come back on Game Day.  It will be brutal.

In life you have to be able to take the good with the bad.

"Say my name."

Luke's picture

Isn't there a certain responsibility on us as fans to realize that not everyone is going to share the same opionions as us too though? I think him spreading rumor and innuendo on national television as gospel with respect to the Tat5 situation was horribly irresponsible from a journalism standpoint, but no matter how much I disagree with his AP ballot, I mean that's still his opinion.

William's picture

How many Ohio State fans would vote OSU down 3 spots after their Sugar Bowl victory? Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. I as an Ohio State fan expect fellow OSU fans to support their team, not slander them on national tv..

Doc's picture

Luke,

I agree with you, but opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.  My problem with this particular asshole is he goes out of his way to take swipes at the school he "loves".  Mark May is a hater, but you never see him taking shots at Pitt.  And if he does he isn't bending over backward to do so, unlike Frosted Tips.

"Say my name."

dmurder's picture

"We have always had the best damn band in the land, now we have the best damn team in the land"- Jim Tressel 1-03-03

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

with my whole boycott of Yahoo still in full effect can someone please explain?

TLB's picture

Same article.  But they have gotten enough hits on it to move the "story" to a more visible location.

Backup Placekick holder's picture

I wonder how Chris Spielman would have handled all this?

 

William's picture

Chris Spielman would have never made foolish remarks about Pryor. He's above that. Spielman doesn't feel the need to trash or diminish his alma mater on national tv just to prove that he is objective. He and Robert Smith are the only reasons I watch College Football Live.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Robert Smith? Really? I really hate that guy...if you knew why he really left, you would to. I got the dirt from Players back in the day. Can't stand that dude!

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

William's picture

From what I've heard he quit because he couldn't balance schoolwork and football, and he chose being a doctor over the football team. I have no problem with that. I've even read articles that mentioned Smith was more interested in visiting the Medical Center and library than the weight room or athletic facilities when he visited OSU. Also a lot of players have commented on when he addressed the team about his decision to quit the football team, and a lot of guys have said that they understood his decision, and that Cooper more so than anyone else was pissed.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I won't get into it, but I knew a few guys on the team, that wasn't it...I won't say anything else.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Except he did all his studying for his supposed pre-med class at Joe's on High Street with his then girlfriend.  He was a big phony then.  But, lets remember; he then, just like Pryor now was a superstar athlete and the center of the universe for the greatest college football program on the planet.  He's going to make moronic statements and do monronic things.  Just like many 18-21 year olds.  God knows I made a few doozies in my day too.  Smith now, I think, represents the University with a lot of class.  he is just as inteeligent as frosted tips (I love that nickname...that was great) and doesn't find the need to go out of his way to try and verbally tear down the entire program.  

As for how would Spiels handle this situation...I would pay to see how he would react to some idiot that knocked on his door.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

tomcollins's picture

Speilman is a bit of a homer, but he's not overboard with it.  I wouldn't mind him if he was neutral, but he is man enough to not get in pissing contests with immature 21 year olds.

gravey's picture

If Herbie thought he could be as vindictive (#9 -seriously?) as he has been and the nutcases in Buckeye land weren't going to react with even greater vindictive-ness, he's as dumb as his Jersey shore hair/tan would suggest.   I don't know what happened to him.  He used to be a really good analyst and then he went celebrity..

BuckiGirl's picture

"Nobody will do more than I do for the university behind the scenes." I find that insulting. I can think of hundreds of people who do more for Ohio State, the university or the football team, than Kirk Herbstreit. He hasn't really given much financially. He seems to dislike Jim Tressel so I can't imagine that he's volunteering his time on the practice field. I'd really like to know what kinds of special things he's doing behind the scenes.

Doc's picture

I second this.  As much of a publicity whore that he is he would want someone to know about it.  "Volunteering his time on the practice field."  You're a funny Girl.

"Say my name."

BuckeyeChief's picture

Doing what on the practice field, showing the team how to tie scUM?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Morgan's picture

its just a saying, you complete and total nutjobs.

have you ever heard anyone say "im having the WORST day ever!" did you lose your mind on them because OMG THERES NO WAY YOURE HAVING THE WORST DAY EVER YOU ARE A LIAR WHERE AM I WHATS HAPPENING I DONT KNOW YOU STRANGER DANGER

if you go out of your way to look for reasons to be pissed off, chances are pretty good youll find a reason to be pissed off. sounds to me like maybe thats the kind of person herbie was talking about in the first place.

Neilwoodgables's picture

Greatest hero?  Herbstreit got exactly what he wanted which was an excuse to leave,  He is a giant pussy who acts too big for that town that gave him every thing he has.  

I Hate Michigan.

BuckeyeChief's picture

But he's so dreamy...

Really, he pissed me off when Cowterd called out Buckeye fans as Cankle lovers, Herbie laughed and agreed a few years ago.

 

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

buckeyedude's picture

What's wrong with cankles?

 
 

johnblairgobucks's picture

Herbstriet is a Buckeye, but has a job with ESPN.

Bob Knight is a Buckeye, but worked for Indiana.

Robert Smith is a Buckeye, and he quit the team, so he could be a doctor.

Maurice Clarret is a Buckeye, and he is a felon.

They are still Buckeyes, and have their own opinions.  I recall leaving the 2008 night homegame against Penn State, and hearing much worse opinions of OSU and the coaching staff from OSU fans, than anything Herbstriet had to say.  As well, I recall hearing similar opinions on Columbus's 97.1, the day after OSU beat Illinois on the road this years.

My opinion is to enjoy OSU athletics for the fun they bring to you, and not worry about opinions that matter not at all on the playing surface. 

 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

So if Dahmer were a Buckeye........just kidding. Glad you wrote this. In the USMC we always say once a Marine always a Marine this is also true for Buckeyes.

thedecline19's picture

Dahmer actually was a Buckeye for a few quarters.  He had an alcohol problem his freshman year and didn't finish.  There was a story in the Lantern a few years ago about it.

So....

buckeyedude's picture

I thought Dahmer was a Zips fan? Didn't he come from Akron?

 
 

Morgan's picture

+1

damn right. all these "fans" who pretend they are 1/100th the buckeye that kirk hirbsteit is are no-talent ass clowns. like him, hate him, whatever - he wore the scarlet and gray, he bled for this team / school. he has WAY more of a right to bitch and complain and voice his opinion than you or your stupid drunken idiot friends ever will.

and you dislike him because he called terrelle pryor immature? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN TERRELLE PRYOR?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The future of 11W is bleak: apparently, "fans" who did not suit up for a Buckeye varsity sport have, at best, a very circumscribed "right to bitch and complain and voice his opinion" about OSU athletics, especially those who tend to imbibe freely. Sorry, 11W, but Morgan's Edict could be bad for business.

Also, we should contact the OSU Athletic Department and let me know that fans who bitch and complain are less than 1/100th Buckeyes and warn them that therefore they might anticipate a significant reduction in future ticket purchases, merchandise sales, etc.

But I am happy to learn that Herbstreit's criticisms in response to Ohio State failures/losses/transgressions are elevated - in terms of tone, diction, decorum, etc. - above the drunken postgame rantings of a few embittered Walmart Buckeyes. 

William's picture

You're right, I'm less of a fan because I haven't attend Ohio State yet, or I'm less of a fan because I won't play a varsity sport. I have less of a right to complain because I will not play football at Ohio State, even though  I have followed the team my whole life, and oh wait I don't slander them on national tv. But you're right we as everyday people don't deserve the right to criticize those who criticize our beloved institution, Ohio State. It's people like you that make our fanbase seem like a bunch of assclowns, not those that are willing to step up and defend the university and its athletic department from unwarranted criticism.

gwalther's picture

I absolutely agree 100% with Reens. Fuck all you people who don't. Stop calling into sports radio talk shows and get a real job, and a real life. Idiots.

 

People forced a person to leave a community because they occasionally didn't like what he had to say, and they then have the audacity to say "good riddance." Absolutely disgusting. Is that really who you are as a human being? Unbelievable.

 

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William's picture

Wow a bit harsh there with the language man. No one here is defending or justifying the idiots whose actions may have led to Herbstreit's move. People are allowed to have their opinions, and if they say good riddance to Herbstreit, then so be it. He has alienated himself from most of the fanbase; most of whom if they were in the same situation as he, would not slander their alma mater on national tv like he has. Also it is a little hypocritical of you tell people to F off, and then ask if that is who we are as human beings, in response to our remarks towards Herbstreit, but more power to you. I hope you feel extremely accomplished in telling a 17 year old who is attending Ohio State in the fall to F off.

 

JakeBuckeye's picture

This.

Especially this:

"Also it is a little hypocritical of you tell people to F off, and then ask if that is who we are as human beings, in response to our remarks towards Herbstreit, but more power to you."

gwalther's picture

This.

Especially this.

 

When the response to a man being forced to move his family from a community he has been a part of for 20 years is "good riddance," I don't think it is hypocritical for me to criticize that person and ask if that is really who they are as a human being.

 

If that IS who are as a human being, criticizing that person with a "F Off, Idiots" is not hypocritical from my point of view, because I don't believe that person deserves my respect. Therefore, I don't think what I was saying is hypocritical at all.

Class of 2008

JakeBuckeye's picture

1) If you are willing to make judgments on people based off of an argument on an internet forum, then WOW is all I can say to you.

2) If you say or think "Fuck anyone who doesn't agree with me", then your mind needs growing up regardless of what age your body is.

gwalther's picture

See my below comments, Jake. I replied to your earlier reply already. Now it's time to get off 11W and continue having a productive Sunday.

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William's picture

I have no problem with you or anyone else criticzing my views. This is an open forum where opposing ideas will be presented and will clash. That however does not give you the right to tell those who oppose you to fuck off, some humility would do you well, as would some manners.

 

gwalther's picture

I give this point of view about as much credence as you probably give my initial post.

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William's picture

What, my view that if you're going to disagree that you should show respect and dignity? Telling someone to fuck off isn't exactly the most eloquent or effective way of arguing with someone that you disagree with. That's not civil and it is not needed.

gwalther's picture

Let's recap: My anger comes from the fact that at least some collection of Ohio State fans engaged in behavior that led in part to an Ohio State Alumni having to uproot his family from Columbus. Then, some of those people actually did have the point of view, expressed by one person on this board, of "good riddance." That is a man and his family. That point of view is callous and hateful, and does not deserve my respect or civility. In fact, it needs to be met with the anger, derision, and disrespect it deserves.

 

So when you tell me you think I need to have more "civility" or "humility" in dealing with those people, I vehemently disagree.

I reserve my anger for the worst of college football fans; i.e. those who would celebrate forcing a Buckeye, employed by an independent organization, to move his family because they didn't like his analysis.

Perhaps I should have been a little more restrained, or clarified the target audience of my anger in my initial post, but I don't think it was essential to, and as should now be obvious to you, I don't back away from my post as it was drafted.

Class of 2008

Reens's picture

You keep throwing around the word "slander" like it's going out of style and it's not even accurate. Slander is a false and/or attacking statement towards someone. Exactly what has Herbie said in that light? Saying that the team isn't as good as advertised? The "addition by subraction" comment? Moving them down in the polls?

You need to understand that he's an analyst first and and Ohio State alum second. I know that's not a fan favorite, but that's reality.

William's picture

Slander is a statement that is false and is malicious in its nature. If you don't think the "addition by subtraction" comment was malicious, then that is something that we will just disagree on, and it's really quite false, for if you think that not having Pryor on team is beneficial, then you must think it's rather easy to find quarterbacks who are 2-0 as starters in BCS bowls, and who can pass for 2500 plus yards, and 27 tds in a season, and are 31-4 as starters. So realistically the addition by subtraction comment IS slander becasue it IS false and it was done maliciously.  It doesn't matter if he is an analyst, how many analysts from other schools have thrown their alma mater or players at their alma mater under the bus like Herbstreit has? NONE

 

Reens's picture

I see your point and it's fair, but the comment wasn't directed at if he's a talented and winning quarterback. There's no disputing that fact. It's aimed towards character which represents the school just as much as winning percentage.

Regardless, the comment was unnecessary, I agree. I'm not blind to the fact that he's gone out of his way to be critical of tOSU either, I just think that most on here take it way more personally because they expect him to be a biased homer. Any criticism he gives, is (or can be) taken out of context and creates this whirlwind.

He didn't help himself on this and I'm not acting like he's not at fault - I just don't agree with the end result, think it's undeserving and sad.

William's picture

I agree that the situation never should have ended the way it did. I don't expect him to be a homer, but I would hope that every now and then he would sack up and defend his alma mater.

gwalther's picture

If a person feels strongly enough to air their opinion in an open forum, they should expect to receive criticism for their comments, much as my comments have.

So whether you are 70, 17, or anywhere in between, you should expect a response when you air your opinions.

I don't feel more or less "accomplished" for criticizing a person's viewpoint, regardless of their age. It's also worth pointing out I don't click on a person's name and look at their age before replying.

 

In response to your criticism of my comments, see the post a little higher on this comment list that begins with "This. Especially this."

 

Class of 2008

JakeBuckeye's picture

How old are you?

"Fuck all you people who don't."

Get a grip, bud.

Nobody here supported those who supposedly "harassed" Herbie, we just all know that Herbie is a bit whiny, which fits well with his pretty boy persona. I don't doubt at all that he's gotten some flak. Some Ohio State fans, like Herbie said 10%-20%, are crazy as it is. It only gets worse when they feel betrayed. I've certainly felt betrayed by Herbie, I just know not to act stupidly on it. Some don't.

gwalther's picture

Writing an angry blog post and needing to "get a grip" are different things. This man got a raw deal, and I interpreted comments on this board as supporting people who wanted him to move because they were angry at him as an analyst. I believe it's fair to be angry at those people.

 

Here's an excerpt from a recent Dodd article: "C-bus, you are burning and you know it. You are a national headline, bordering on national punch line. You ran one of your own out of town. The football program is being run into the ground. That firm and just decision the school made on March 8 to suspend Tressel? Just a warmup, it turns out. Ohio State is becoming Do-Overs R' Us." 

 

Some comments on this board, such as "good riddance," show that national opinions like this have a firm basis. It is sad, and it's sad there aren't more fans who realize the fanaticism of some of our fans make all of us look bad. Meeting that kind of insanity with indignation is one of the better ways I could think to respond.

Class of 2008

JakeBuckeye's picture

If you can say "Fuck you" to people just because they disagree with you then you need to get a grip. That isn't exactly a nice phrase here in America, and that wasn't just an angry blog post.

Wow? Dodd is ripping us? I'm SHOCKED! Sorry, this is not an issue the people of Columbus should be concerned about. Crazy ass Ohio State fans have resided in Columbus and surrounding areas for a long time. Guess what? Crazy ass people reside in every major city in the U.S.A.! Herbie is going to find crazy people in Nashville too. Those people aren't going to change.

People are saying "good riddance" to Herbie because he has betrayed us and they don't feel bad or sad that he is leaving. I'm sure that he loves Ohio State. That doesn't mean he can continually rip us and justify us by saying he loves Ohio State. How about you rip Auburn, Herbie? Likewise, people can't justify harrassing Herbie or his family by saying they feel betrayed.

Doc's picture

Nice post Jake.  It seems alot of people have the abused spouse syndrome when looking at Frosted Tips.  He is a Buckeye who has done well on a national scene, but seems to crap on us every chance he gets.  When we call him on it he gives us an excuse and wants us to believe him.  Just like a beaten spouse whose abuser says they love them after a good thurough beating.  Instead of telling the s.o.b. "good riddance" they stick around for one reason or the other.

The problem with Frosted Tips is he never apologizes, he just finds another excuse for shitting on us and his alma mater.  Why hasn't he ever voiced some dissapproval with Auburn.  He didn't even bat an eye when Cam Newton says he had no idea his dad was trying to get money.  Yeah right, just like I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

I think feeling betrayed because someone makes negative comments about a football team is silly anyway.  It really doesn't change anything about the team, and a whole lot of what Herbie has said has been echoed by people on this site or the theme is often repeated.  People here constantly criticize JT for his offensive coaching, people always criticize Pryor and have said they wouldn't care if he was gone or not.  We all know the team has shit the bed against the SEC on the biggest stage.  The only reason people are pissed is because he's not a person typing posts annonymously on a website. 

I also think you can most certainly draw conclusions about what type of human being a person is by the drivel they put out on comment sections of websites.  Not so much on this site as most people are pretty respectful and mostly intelligent, but go to the comment section of Yahoo after their articles, ESPN, and local radio and news.  Some of the crap that gets posted is racist, sexist, idiotic, and just makes me want to puke. 

ColdBuckeye's picture

Speaking of OSU practice legends...

Bold statement, but true: Tom Tupa could BOOM a punt like no one else.

gwalther's picture

"How old are you?" The universal blog response when someone says something you find annoying, idiotic, or immature. Haha. It's a good one.

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Bucksfan's picture

I just straight disagree that this makes our fans look utterly ridiculous.  Our fans have ALWAYS been passionate...this is nothing new.  Woody Hayes was hanged in effigy on the Oval in 1954.  Then he won a title in 1955.  Then it happened again throughout the 60's.  Herbstreit dropped Ohio State in his final AP poll after beating Arkansas...a top-10 SEC team...in a bowl game.  I have no sympathy for the abuse he takes after that one.  On the flipside he did nothing but praise Cam Newton when he knew damn well that the kid is as dirty as they come.

If his ultimate goal is to be an unbiased observer of his game, the time to leave his home state was a long time ago, and he should have cancelled his radio show where he talks nothing but OSU football.  I'm surprised he stayed as long as he did.

This is not an indictment of the OSU fanbase.  This is an indictment of Kirk Herbstreit.  He made his choice and now he's finally sticking to it.  You don't see Mark May looking at houses in Dublin, do you?