Would you let your kids go to scum?

pjtobin's picture
June 18, 2013 at 6:25a

After a long sleepless night, reading every comment, to every post. A thought of my kids going to scum crossed my mind. It crept up on me. Like those repressed memories of busting my parents that one awful night. I feel sick. I feel dirty. I just cried. What a horrible thought. My kids wearing piss and blue. Am I wrong to feel this way? I would rather them not go to college, than to see that. Please tell me I'm right. That I'm not the only one who would feel betrayed by their kids if this were to happen. We need a plan. Like a ten step, back away from the ledge plan. I have three kids. 11,7,5 yr olds. . I buy them buckeye gear galore. I preach the OSU gospel to them. What if they backslide and end up scum. Any thoughts on this living nightmare? What would you do? How would you react? Could you disown your kids? Is the hate that deep? Have any of you had any of these horrible thoughts? What if they got the full ride, all expenses paid scum treatment? How can we prevent this from happening? I'm kinda freakin out, but I haven't slept in a few days. And now with this on my brain, I may never sleep again. Can you sleep imagining your pride and joy looking up to Brady choke? Yes, I know. I'm overreacting a little bit. I know worse things could happen. I just don't know if I could stomache this. What about you?

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buckskin's picture

My words would be the exact same as Chris Spielman's dad when Chris told him he wanted to go Michigan:  "You traitor, I'll tell you where you're going, right down I-71 (I–70 for me) to Columbus."  That worked out pretty well for him, it's gotta work for me.
In all seriousness, I'd be happy my boy would be going to further his education even if it was Michigan.  In fact, I'd be thrilled he got a D-1 scholarship to play football (though the last game of the year would be tough).  I wouldn't be another Barry Sanders dad.

SilverBulletNYC's picture


The South will NOT rise again!

steensn's picture

Id be happy if they did, great school and they get to wear OSU stuff all day because that is all I would buy them.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Full ride? In a heartbeat. Great school.

Hovenaut's picture

Good question PJT.

I'd want my son to make a thorough decision. If he made the choice to attend up there, I would support him 100 percent.

Since he won't be looking at making that choice for another fourteen odd years or so (he just turned three) we have plenty of time to make other considerations.

Discussions on Saturday afternoons and evenings in the fall should be informative, especially late November.

LouGroza's picture

If they were good enough, they would have other offers to choose from. We would choose any other school but them. Because I would kick their ass if they started tweeting the tough guy stuff they must teach them to do up there. Also would want them to have a degree when finished, not a Gardner. That's a word on its own now, next Websters will show it as "attends basic college classes enabling passing grades to play football with no degree upon completion." They will love you even more when they realize the awesome gift you have given them.  See, look at it that way and you will sleep just fine.

buck4's picture

"I would kick their ass if they started tweeting the tough guy stuff they must teach them to do up there."

You realize what an oxymoron statement this is right?

FitzBuck's picture

And here's your upvote.  

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LouGroza's picture

Exactly...and speaking metaphorically of assisting your kid in an attitude adjustment is indeed the equivalent to tweeting to any and everyone how you will bring physical harm to an entire fan base. 

BME_Buckeye's picture


What a horrible thought. My kids wearing piss and blue. Am I wrong to feel this way? I would rather them not go to college, than to see that. Please tell me I'm right. That I'm not the only one who would feel betrayed by their kids if this were to happen.

You have every right to feel the way you want to feel in regard to your children education and where they go to college. With that said, I do no have children but when/if I do, I would gladly let them consider Michigan as an option if they really wanted to go. Michigan is a world renowned school that offers a quality education in a depths of studies, with lots research and faculty working on projects. However, this isn't to say that there aren't other schools that are better than them or that have better academic programs then them. Now would I be happy doing this, absolutely not. I would pray that my children got a scholarship to go there as I would have a hard time supplementing their education and giving money to a rival school. Moreover, if they did go and want to be Michigan fans so be it. I won't disown my kid because of their fandom. If you separate the Michigan athletics from academics, wouldn't you want your children to get the best education possible if that school were a true option? 

We need a plan. Like a ten step, back away from the ledge plan. I have three kids. 11,7,5 yr olds. . I buy them buckeye gear galore. I preach the OSU gospel to them. What if they backslide and end up scum. Any thoughts on this living nightmare? What would you do? How would you react? Could you disown your kids? Is the hate that deep? Have any of you had any of these horrible thoughts?

If my kids converted to the dark side so be it. They are adults and can make their own choices. You don't disown them, you embrace having a divided household. My friend who transferred to Ohio State has parents who are Michigan Alumni but paid his tuition to go Ohio State and did it proudly. They don't disown him because of where he got his degree and that he roots for OSU. 

What if they got the full ride, all expenses paid scum treatment?

You better get your ass up north then. Moreover, if someone is smart enough to get into Michigan getting a full ride, it's likely they are getting a full ride to some other school(s). I would let them make their own decision about where to go but if this full ride to UM is in a vacuum then that's where they are going. 

I'm kinda freakin out, but I haven't slept in a few days. And now with this on my brain, I may never sleep again.  I know worse things could happen.

I hope that random thoughts of Michigan aren't keeping you awake at night, if so they're all in yo head man. Hopefully you get some rest or you're sleep now. Lastly, worst things could happen. You could actually click on this LINK or this one or here. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.


MN Buckeye's picture

While not MI, my oldest daughter went to ND for a master's degree.  Her decision had nothing to do with the football program.  I think there might be differences between the undergraduate experience, where many students are in dorms and community life and university identity mean more collectively, and the graduate experience, where most students tend to not live in dorms and are immersed in their program with less time for the party life.  My daughter is not and never was an Irish fan.
As for MI, I would probably feel the same way.

20sider's picture

Absolutely will support my kids in where they choose to go to college.
It is their life, not mine. I am an OSU grad from '94 and have no problem whatsoever if they chose to go to UofM. I would be proud that they attended a well respected B1G university.
Of course that being said... I would expect to be winning a lot of bets on The Game. Ha!


KBonay's picture

Yep. Let 'me make their own bed. My family is all UM or MSU grads. If they had this same thought process I would have never been a Buckeye. Plus, it's made the past 10 of 12 Thanksgivings that much more enjoyable, for me. 

buckeyestu's picture

Being that this is america, my child(ren) would be allowed to go anywhere they wanted for their education. I would not be happy with their choice if it was aacc, but it is her/their education not mine. My daughter married a michigan man. i spent this past weekend in ann arbor at their house, i parked my sports car in their driveway with my OHIO STATE license tag on the front of my car facing the street for every one to see, with both side windows sporting OHIO STATE flags.

Baroclinicity's picture

I would resist only because of out-of-state tuition.  Full ride is a different story, or even partial scholarships.  If My kid really wanted to go there, I don't think letting my personal prejudice get in the way is the right thing to do.
That being said, I would advise said child that there are a myriad of other schools to choose from... you know, just to play devil's advocate and make sure all pertinent info is available!

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

cplunk's picture

If they get a full ride? Sure. No full ride? No.
To play football? Never in a million years.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Darling Daughter 1 was a Top Drawer Soccer 150 player (roughly the equivalent of a 4 Star football) in HS, with a 4.3 GPA and a 2240 SAT. Needless to say, scUM was all over her like a cheap suit. She told the Michigan coach that she just wasn't interested, and when the coach asked why she said "To be honest, I was trained by my Dad to hate everything about the U of M since birth and unfortunately all of it is integrated into my DNA....I may be a California Girl, but I am a Buckeye." 
Darling Daughter 2 is a rising Senior with even stronger academic credentials than DD1. In the flood of propaganda from colleges, she tosses out anything from scUM along with the West Virginia/Gonzaga/SEC (with the exception of Vandy) junk mail. Her comments to me "Dad, even if they (UM) gave me a free ride, I just couldn't do it...the thought of wearing Maize and Blue makes me sick even because I know how much you despise them"
My son is a freshman defensive back this year....we'll just have to see what happens with him.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

cplunk's picture

Well done with both the gene pool and the training, sir.

Dr. House's picture

get this man a beer because he raised perfect kids

pjtobin's picture

Sorry Dr, I fat fingered you a down vote. My bad. Someone please get him a upvote. Thanks. 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

allbucksallthetime's picture

A family of great Americans for sure.  Go Bucks!

WC Buckeye's picture

I nearly wept with pride for daughters that are not even my own.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Yes. I know, its cool to hate Michigan. They are, however, a world class academic and athletic institution. If your love for OSU football dilutes your desire for your children to have a top notch degree from a major institution then I pray you don't procreate.

Baroclinicity's picture

I wouldn't go *that* far.  Like I said in my post above, while there will always be a couple of exceptions, 99% of the time a child will be able to get the same quality education at any number of different comparable schools.  As a Buckeye, your job is to point that out :)  But overall, I agree, if the kid wants UM and it can be attained financially etc, then let him/her go there.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

The only scenario under which your post makes sense would be if UM was the only "stretch" school that offered admission to your child. The overwhelming number of kids that can get admitted to UM can get admitted to equivalent or better schools. DD1 got an offer from Stanford (half ride...typical for soccer) but did not want to dumb down her major or take 5 years (a virtual requirement for most D1 athletic scholarships) and decided on Williams instead...the #2 school in the country according to Forbes (USNews does not rank big schools against little schools).
UM is ranked 67 by Forbes, inclusive of liberal arts schools, service academies, etc.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

BrewstersMillions's picture

I don't get what you are saying. It doesn't make sense that I'm of the mind that discouraging a kid from attending Michigan because of an allegiance to Ohio State?

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Let me clarify. You said "If your love for OSU football dilutes your desire for your children to have a top notch degree from a major institution" (aka Michigan). Your statement implies several things; 1) that UM has some sort of monopoly on offering a "top notch degree" when in fact, there are many schools that are better....66 according to Forbes, 2) That Michigan's actual Academic standing is uniformly superior to OSU's, when according to US News and its analysis of the various degree programs, it is not., 3) That kids who have worked hard enough to have lots of choices would choose UM, when the professional trajectory of many of these kids is through Grad school, and their undergrad degrees are not their terminal academic achievements.
I had no trouble getting to Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering and subsequently to Stanford's Graduate School of Business with my OSU undergrad engineering degrees.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

BrewstersMillions's picture

1) Nothing I said implies that. The term "A Top Notch" would imply that Michigan is one of several places to obtain said education, not the only one.
2) The original discussion isn't OSU v. Michigan. The original question was "Would you discourage your kid from going to Michigan" to which most right thinking people should say no, resoundingly. I'm a proud OSU alum but if little Brewster\Brewstette wanted to go to Ann Arbor over Ohio State they'd have papa's blessing.
3) I don't see the point you are trying to make there. I get the idea that if a kid gets into UM he or she probably has other excellent collegiate options. My entire point is that if loyalty to Ohio State affects your judgment about your children's college choices than you shouldn't have procreated, and I stand by that point.
Was that last part a chance to show off your fancy degrees? At no point was I discussing the merits of an Ohio State education.
The original question that I answered was steeped in mouth breathing homerism no fanbase should embrace. I get the angle you are taking but that wasn't the original question. Yes, Ohio State like Michigan is a fine academic institution. The bottom line is that loyalty to a football team should not affect parenting decisions.

WC Buckeye's picture

In all seriousness, yes, I admit that if TTUN had come knocking with scholarship offers for my kids (they didn't, and all are college age now), I would have had to let them make the decision for themselves. I do think, though, that with competing offers from TTUN and OSU, I know where they'd have chosen to go.  Go BUCKS.

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GoBucks713's picture

I think the term is Ultra-Late Term Abortion.

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GoBucks713's picture

Someone isn't a fan of Christopher Titus.

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bukyze's picture

There would be zero chance of that happening, because they would end up hating them as much as I do.  If they were offered a full ride, and I was able to move into a 2 million dollar house up in that state for free, I'd say shove it up your ass.  Some things money can't buy.  I'd work 24 hours a day to get my kids through a different college.  If they did end up going there, they'd have to pay their own way, and I would hold a bitter grudge against them forever.  Straight fact.  I'd also consider myself a failure as a parent.

TheGhostofWoody's picture

Please tell me this is a joke.

buck-I.8's picture

I can stand here and say if you offered me ice cream right now, I'd say no because I'm watching what I eat. That said, don't offer me ice cream because that won't happen. Ya follow? 

progolfer107's picture

For me it is simple, if my kids are smart enough to get a ride academically to scUM, there will be plenty of other schools offering. Athletically, same thing, if they are good enough to get a full ride there, they will have many other options. So the answer is no freaking way.

Denny's picture

As long as they've thought about it and are sure of their decision, absolutely. No question. I have no experience with parenting but from what I understand, you've gotta let the kid be their own woman or man. If that means they go to college at your rival school, you let them go and you make sure you know that you're proud of them.
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LABuckeye's picture

I wouldn't have a problem with it, as long as they continued to be Ohio State fans. I actually considered that school myself for graduate education because there were several faculty in the biology department whose work I really respected. Then again, I also considered the difficulty I would face walking around that school's campus every day wearing Ohio State gear, which is something I WOULD do. 

Poison nuts's picture

I think I would be crazy not to want my kid to get a great education at the university of their choice. I would absolutely be fine with it. And I would wear an OSU shirt on every visit I made. BTW, my 4 year old daughter has been to OSU twice so far. We live in Florida. So although I'll support any school she wants to attend, I am planting seeds...

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Liening's picture

I graduated from TOSU and have remained a Buckeye fan throughout 39 years of living in Michigan.   All 4 of my sons went to UM, and I was proud to see them make the grade there.   It is a great school, and a bargain for Michigan residents.  Plus it has added tons of holiday fun to the family get-togethers.  
Anyone who would keep their children from such an opportunity based on their football fandom has a pitifully narrow perspective on life, and needs to get a grip.


GoBucks713's picture

I'm fairly certain that those of us that are saying no way, really wouldn't pass up the chance for our children to go to a good university. If my kids wanted to attend strictly for academics, why wouldn't I want them to go there? Because I bleed S&G? I didn't even go to tOSU, I went to a smaller school because I was offered a scholarship. I was offered a partial scholarship from OSU, but I got everything paid for by this other school. In reality, if this situation presented itself, all of us as parents would want what was best for our children, but also let them decide what is best for themselves.

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Doctorjsix's picture

They can go, but not using my money to pay for it!

zachofaltrades's picture

If you raised your children correctly, they wouldn't even consider going to that school.

buck-I.8's picture

I'd let them go to Michigan and do everything within reason to help them pay for it. 

TheGhostofWoody's picture

Yes, and anyone who says otherwise is, quite frankly, a moron.

Dirty419Boy's picture

I wouldn't prevent them from going there if they wanted to, but they wouldn't get any financial help from me.  I paid the tuition for my oldest to attend OSU and have same deal for my other children, for any other school EXCEPT tsun.

TheGhostofWoody's picture

You would seriously not contribute financially just because they wanted to go to Michigan?

buck-I.8's picture

That wouldn't harbor any resentment from the child, good call.

Dirty419Boy's picture

There's no reason someone would have to attend michigan.  There are a ton of schools that are just as good or better.  This "one prefect fit for you" line that moron HS guidance counselors cram down kids throats is a load of garbage.

TheGhostofWoody's picture

What if Michigan was the highest ranking school in his/her particular major?

buckguyfan1's picture

Fine school, but NO!  Hell NO!

pjtobin's picture

So what if they had a full ride from OSU, and a full ride from scum? Then what? 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

buckguyfan1's picture

Very simple my friend...

BME_Buckeye's picture

As a parent, I would set up guidelines for academics, visit to and back home, a car and so forth (typical college stuff). Leave all of the football talk off the table. Finally, stand back and let them choose where they want to go. They earned that full ride, you're not paying penny. Why should one parents influence where they want to go? If they want to go, so be it.
I would probably be really disappointed and hurt if they did go to Michigan but its not my choice. 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.


Knarcisi's picture

Hell no.  Read stories on Ron Springs and Spielman's dad.  I'm that guy. 

Bucksfan's picture

My old man told me I could go there, but I'd never be allowed to wear those colors in his house.  And he didn't even go to Ohio State.
So, tell them "Yeah, you can go.  But you're paying for it yourself, and you're not wearing those colors in my house."

rider1's picture

Without a doubt. Got to support your children's good decisions. And like it or not, UM is a great academic institution. Hate the school love the student!

TheGhostofWoody's picture

Amazing how many people will put their loyalty to anonymous 18-22 year-olds who throw around a ball over their own children.  Pretty pathetic.

jaggs's picture

The whole concept of 'letting' your children go to any school, especially one with a reputation such as Michigan seems very strange. Do you really take yourself so seriously that you are going to impose your desires on to your children? Attempting to control where they go will only serve to promote resentment in them. The whole 'you have to pay if you go there' is absolutely laughable. Please tell me you are joking. If not, it's probably best you send them down to some SEC school to get an education with those cooler poopers.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I would begrudgingly let them go there.  It would be easier to say no if TSUN wasn't a pretty good school. 

Class of 2010.

buckeyedude's picture

My nephew got a full ride to TTUN for baseball back in the 1990s. He never got an offer from OSU. He would have been a fool not to go.
 I used to go up to A2  and watch him play. At one game, Bo Schembechler was leaning against the fence and I got his autograph. I respect the man and the university even if I HATE the arrogance of their fanbase.



Seabass1974's picture

My three boys actually love me so they would never go to that school up north. It's pretty much that simple. No worries here.

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

tussey's picture

No.  If they are smart enough or good enough in sports to get a full ride to ttun, than they would probably have other full ride scholarships to other schools. 

rightfield's picture

My kids are too wise and have too much class to go to tsun. Way too many other options out there to screw up their futures with putting that crap on their resumes.

Its good to be the king

pjtobin's picture

I had a 7th grader helping me do some drywall yesterday and today. He is a big kid for his age. Maybe 10% body fat, or less? He told me yesterday he wanted to play for OSU. He didn't realize that he would have to be picked to play. He didn't realize that the main campus was in Columbus. He thought the Marion branch was the actual real deal. So as a treat today I took him to campus. I took him everywhere. Showed him all the places I had worked. And all the places I loved. He loved the oval. He loved the shoe. He looooovvvvvd Woody Hayes facility.I took him in to show him some of the awesome football memrobela. We seen coach Vrabel. Exchanged a hello with him. And a keep up the good work. He said hi, thanks, and was gone. We met two recruits for the 2014 class. Talked briefly. Shook hands. I was pumped. He was kinda just taking it in. On our way to my camo truck, we met our new place kicker. Spoke briefly. Told all three about 11w by the way. Then we were headed north.  At first I thought he didn't get it. Until his dad called and told me that he was grateful I took him to campus. That the boy kept talking about getting good grades. That his boy swears he is going to go to OSU. He wants to play for them. I am not sure if he will play for them. I hope he does. I know that after hearing from his dad that I took a planted seed ,watered it, and watched it grow. I think I figured out how to help my kids decide. The seeds for them are planted. I have years of watering left. And with time and paying forward , hopefully those seeds all turn out to be buckeyes! What a great day to be a buckeye. 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

southbymidwest's picture

Sounds like a wonderful day for both of you! And the best thing is that you lit a fire under him to work hard and hit the books, that they are important. He'll have a heck of a lot more options for college with or without football if he does. Go bucks!

jthiel09's picture

If my son is blessed with the ability to play sports and has both offers on the table ... I know he'd make the right choice.
If TSUN was the only school to offer him a full ride for athletics ... only once or possibly a few times a year would it be tough for me.
Same thing goes for academics, I'd be a fool to talk my kid out of something that could help him out in the future from a (whether I like to admit it or not) respectable academic institution.


Knarcisi's picture

Won't come to it. Any child I raise will develop the appropriate amount of distaste for scUM. 

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

Absolutely, if that's what he wanted. 
Never let sports get in the way of real life.

BUCKI06's picture

When my son is of age to decide on schools, he'll definitely have my support of wherever he wants to go.
When I was deciding on high school (yes, I'm from Cincinnati), I was deciding between Elder and St. X.  For those not familiar, these 2 schools are bitter rivals.  My Dad is an Elder grad, and my brother and I are St. X grads.  He left the choice up to us because he knew no matter what we'd end up with a great education.
The same goes with ttun - Buckeyes dislike them because of our rivalry on the field, not because their (fill in any academic program) is inferior. 
Obviously, I would love him to experience the same times I did at Ohio State, but he'll be free to go where he chooses.

"As long as we're keeping score, we're gonna try to win this thing." - UFM

redfox's picture

There is no way i would pay for one of my kids to go to Michigan. They could pick any other school and i would help them out hopefully Ohio State just not Michigan.

NC_Buckeye's picture

If my kid got a full-ride to UM I'd tell him/her to apply to Princeton and I'd find a way to pay for it.
But it also depends on what he/she thought their major would be.
IOW, there are almost always better options than TSUN.

bigbadbuck's picture

I'd either move after my kid left or change the door locks

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, its a war room

Maffro's picture

If they got a scholarship? Absolutely.
My kids can go wherever* they want if I don't have to pay for it.
(*exceptions being Notre Dame or Penn State, which I will not tolerate under any circumstances)

buckskin's picture

Hey PJ, maybe you should call Zac Boren's dad and ask him for advice.  Imagine your son playing the exact same position you played, but at the rival school.  That man must have it tough, especially living down here.

Mi.Buckeye's picture

That would be a tough one. I would definitely support my child with what ever they decide to do. I do know for sure that I would be head to toe Scarlet and Gray when I went on the visit with him.

Max Power's picture

My kids will never want to go to TSUN. Seeing Michigan is the only time they will be allowed to fly the bird without punishment so Im sure they will hate them well before entering grade school (Im sure everyone would support their children no matter what. I honestly dont think anyone would disown their children for anything let alone something as trivial as a college choice. Take this blog for what it is...fun.)

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