War As They Knew It

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June 24, 2013 at 12:41p

I just finished reading one of the best books ever. It is called War as they knew it. It is about our forever loved coach Woody Hayes and his creation coach Bo Schembechler's ten year war. It covers a wide variety of issues from that era. The watergate scandal. The Vietnam war. Behind the scenes of each coaches life. It was full of information I had never heard before. If you have not read it I suggest you do. 

Yesterday was extremely hot outside. I mowed, weed whacked, opened the pool for the kids, then retreated to my ac cooled lazy boy. I turned on the boob tube. Flipped through the channels faster than a xbrax run. Nothing was on. Then like a little gift from the football gods the big ten channel had on their film vault. All golden oldies. Black and white, with only highlights from the entire year. Every team. I watched for a few hrs. Until the kids came back in. And that's what got me thinking. 

Do any of you 11w family members have any great books about our buckeyes? Do you suggest any good buckeye shows? I have always been a buckeye. Yet up until I graduated highschool (99) I only could tell you who the rb, qb, lb, or one or two wide receivers were. I have gotten more of an addiction since joining 11w. It's like I want to learn all I can. I want to look up my family tree, so to speak. I like being the guy my friends call for answers. I like knowing about our incoming players. 11w is the only place I get my info. I don't want any other web sites. I just want to know what good books, documentaries, movies, magazines, all that kinda stuff. 

I don't know if my punctuation is right. I cannot spell to save my life. I use my phone, ALWAYS. I never use a computer. So please feel free to correct me. Or let it go. I own my own remodeling business. And my secretary sends all invoices. I was taught at a early age that learning to count money was more important than learning to spell money. I enjoy to comment and post here at 11w. And I don't want to offend anyone with my poor spelling, and punctuation. I honestly couldn't remember if my paragraphs were in the right order. Thanks for your time. And as always GO BUCKS!!

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William's picture

I've read War as They Knew It as well, and it was a fantastic read. 

FitzBuck's picture

Adding to my list.  Thanks

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Sgt. Elias's picture

Not about the Bucks, but if you like the Vietnam War era I highly suggest Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War by Karl Marlantes.  It's absolutely amazing. It took the author about 25 years to write, the subject matter often too difficult for him to continue as a veteran of that conflict. The result is astonishing. 
"So, this is how it ends. I will die on a jungle hill (“the Matterhorn”) in Vietnam, 1969. My death won’t be cinematic. Before this day is over, flies will prance across my eyeballs. I will return to the mud of this fecund earth, from which springs a riot of green vegetation. In the midst of my death, I am surrounded by life.
I command a rifle platoon, the 40 marines from Bravo Company-1st Battalion-- 24th Regiment-- 5th Marine Division. Because I lead, I am strong. I cannot let the men see my fear, my doubt. An entire NVA regiment prepares to exterminate us. Tonight, they will take a victory-piss over our dead bodies.
Listen to the silence. It is the silence of eternity, intermittently punctured by the squawking of radio chatter and the ancient buzzing of insects. A million years from now, insects will still be here; men will be gone.
With that very radio, I will call down artillery-fire and airstrikes within a whisker of our own flesh. To atomize our enemy with firepower is our only hope of survival. Soon hell’s noise will exterminate the silence--then eternal silence.
I stare at my grime-covered hands that have not touched soap or hot water for 20 days. But my rifle is spotless. My rifle and my attitude are the only things over which I have any control.
I smell creeping death. Though the peace of death would release me from my burdens and sorrow, I must resist fatalism. This is not about me. The Matterhorn and all for which it stands are larger than I.
Today, my every thought, nerve, and sinew must be harnessed for the survival of my tribe. Concentrate. I cannot indulge in the luxury of self-pity. I cannot dwell on the misfortune visited upon me in the prime of life: that I will never marry or have a child; that my mother will collapse when she receives my shattered body in a black bag; that the memory of me will be purged from the face of the earth;... and that my ex-girlfriend is getting high with her hippie lover.
I don’t have the luxury to think about what happens when I die. I hope God forgives me because this day I will die with the stain of the blood of my brothers upon my hands. I don’t hate the Vietnamese, but I will take as many of my killers with me as I can. If by some miracle I survive, I will write a novel so others will know what the brink of personal extinction feels like. I will expose the illusion of the glamour of war which must be annihilated if the human race is to survive."

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Young_Turk's picture

i have this, made about 80 pages in.  Didn't grab me at first, but will try it again as soon as I'm done reading W.T. Sherman's Memoirs.  
I think I didn't like the author/lead character cause he seemed politically motivated.  


Smanpoint10's picture

My teacher told our class to flip to the 99th page and if it catches your attention you should read it

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

What a fantastic read.  Ironically, I read Matterhorn and War As They Knew It on my last deployment.  I also read Lone Survivor which is the story of LT Michael Murphy and his SEAL team.  I'd recommend it to anyone wanting to understand our current conflict on terrorism while also delving into modern day warfare.
War As They Knew It, however, was an awesome piece of literature and really makes you feel like you were there for the Ten Year War.  Lots of insight!
Might I also suggest, as always, Tuesdays With Morrie by Mitch Albom.  Probably one of my favorites of all time and have read it at least 15 times.

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hodge's picture

I keep meaning to read Buckeye: A Study of Coach Woody Hayes and the Ohio State Football Machine by Robert Vare.  It's mentioned in War as they Knew It, and it was written when Vare was given complete access to Coach Hayes during the '73 season.

Hello_Heisman's picture

I read it a couple years ago and had high hopes for the book.  I liked it but was kind of disappointed by it - it seemed a little too fluff, not as in-depth as I was hoping for.  I then read Three and Out a few months later and found it to be much more compelling.  Granted, I'm a Michigan fan so I doubt Three and Out will resonate with OSU fans quite the same way, but overall I think that John Bacon is a much better writer than Michael Rosenberg.

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jfunk's picture

I actually really enjoyed Three and Out. I thought it was very well written and did an excellent job of looking at the perfect storm of events that culminated in giving Michigan one of the worst three year periods in it's history. Rich Rod definitely comes out looking like the good guy in the book but he doesn't come off entirely blameless either.

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bodast67's picture

I liked "A Shot at a Rose, to the bite of a Gator" by Todd W. Skipton
It details the 75 thru 78 seasons, culminating with the Gator Bowl debacle, and firing of Woody. I like it because it breaks down a lot of the individual games from those seasons.
I also like "The Century" by Peter Jennings...just a great chronicle of the Twentieth Century 




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buckskin's picture

HBO aired a documentary titled "Michigan vs. Ohio State - The Rivalry" a while back.  It goes back through the history of the game and talks quite a bit about the players and coaches from different eras.  It was very well produced and I learned quite a bit.  If you like behind the scenes stuff like I do, it's a must see.  I missed it when it HBO ran it, so I watched it on YouTube for free.  

BuckeyeChief's picture

"War as they knew it" was a very good book. I usually make my CPO selects put a picture of LCDR Hayes in their book for me.

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bodast67's picture

I like it CHIEF, I like it a lot !




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AndyVance's picture

I have The Winners Manual, Coaching Confidential, Scorecasting and Three and Out on my shelf to read at this point. Thanks for adding this to my list!

Knarcisi's picture

+1, merely for the blog post that bumped "Gordon Gee is Ohio State's Joe Paterno" off the front page of 11W.   

Young_Turk's picture

If you live near Columbus, head to the library and see how old their archives are of the Columbus Dispatch, Cleveland Plain Dealer, Detroit Press, etc.  Then check the microfiche for the Sunday's after football Saturdays.  
For general reading, my favorite author is Patrick O'Brian.  Start with Master and Commander.  If you like that, you have about 13 other fantastic books to read.  


rightfield's picture

As a Buckeye fan I enjoyed "3 and out" because I already knew the destruction that those 3 years meant to their program. I agree that the book showed Rich Rod in a positive light and the "michigan men" around him as childish dorks. They sacrificed their program success to get rid of their version of Urban Meyer- a man trying to get their program on the cutting edge of college football.  

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fansince1968's picture

1968: The Year That Saved Ohio State Football, by David Hyde, is a great read also. War As They Knew It is great and The 100-Yard War: Inside the 100-Year-Old Michigan-Ohio State Football Rivalry, by Greg Emmanuel, is ok.

Maestro's picture

Very good book, especially the Corn Greene cocaine parts. Yikes!!

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bucked up's picture

The 100-'Yard War about OSU and Michigan
Woody's Boys
Buckeye: A Study of Coach Woody Hayes and the Ohio State Football Machine by Robert Vare

ArTbkward's picture

War As They Knew It is an excellent read.  I brought it to my book club Christmas meeting last year where we gift a book we loved to another member of the group.  (Yes, my book club is all 28-33 and female).  The girl who got it really liked it too.  Beats the hell out of Nicolas Sparks.
Three and Out is also definitely worth the time even if you're a Buckeye fan.  If you search the 11W archives, M Man wrote an excellent review when this book came out.
I've also read Then Tress Said to Troy and 100 Things Buckeyes fans Should Know Before They Die and both are meh.  They're better for someone who is just beginning to embrace their Buckeye-ness as a lot of the things you've heard before.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

When I was old enough to experience and understand tOSU football, my Mom (Grandma Buckeye) gave me a book called Three Yards and a Cloud of Dust by Bill Levy.  It was written just prior to the re-emergence of tOSU as a football power with Rex Kern, Jack Tatum et al.  It is very detailed about the early days of the program.  I read it every August as a build-up to football season until I could almost recite it verbatim.  
It starts by describing the parade of cars coming down that newfangled thing called an interstate.  But it gives you some neat perspectives and information.  If you can locate an old copy, its worth it for any Buckeye library.  Tidbit: It talks about how Knute Rockne was almost hired away from ND.  We settled for Francis "Close the Gates of Mercy" Schmidt.
Woody's Boys gives a pretty honest picture of "The Old Man".  Its not sugar coated at all.
1968: The Year That Saved Ohio State Football should be mandatory reading before being allowed to post on a Buckeye website.

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ArTbkward's picture

It's worth noting that you can't look at the Amazon ratings for War As They Knew It. Michigan fans, validly, hate Michael Rosenberg and subsequently gave his book terrible ratings.  If you don't know why, read Three and Out.

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I heartily recommend both of the books about Chic Harley.  One is Chic by Bob Hunter.  The other is The One and Only by Todd Wessell (who happens to be Chic's great nephew).  If you love Ohio State Football, you will love these books.  Chic was voted the greatest football player of the first 50 years I believe.  He is undoubtedly the greatest OSU player of all time.  There needs to be a statue of that man in front of Ohio Stadium.  

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Upvotes for you all! Thanks for your replies. I gave my wife a list of books to look for. Is there a used book store that would carry any of these. I want to own them. Not have to return. Thank you all so very much. I enjoy to write. I enjoy to post on 11w. Thank you all for not snubbing me because of my horrible bad habits. It seems auto correct, and spell check on my phone has made me extremely lazy!

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jthiel09's picture

I think I'll be heading to the inter-webs to try and find this book, thanks PJTOBIN !


M Man's picture

Rosenberg, getting "teary eyed" at the way that his basically dishonest reporting on Michigan's supposed NCAA practice-time violations had earned him the scorn of thousands of his fellow alums, and triggered a massive neg-bang of War As They Knew It on Amazon:
War As They Knew It is a fine book.  I read it.  I liked it.  And after Rosenberg's unethical hackjob cheap shot aimed at Rodriguez in the Detroit Free Press (Rosenberg has since left the paper, and the paper has never apologized for all of its questionable practices), I joined in the Amazon neg-bang.  Because Rosenberg deserved it even if his book didn't.  This is by far the worst internal bad blood in the modern history of Michigan football.  If there has ever been a worse feud, I can't recall it.  But there is general agreement now among the Michigan "family."  While Rodriguez may have been a "bad fit" (whatever that means)Rosenberg's Free Press reporting was phony, contrived and unfair.  Rodriguez, the supposed "bad fit," was treated unfairly.  The unfair treatment spilled over into everything, and made the entire environment toxic.
Thanks and kudos to all of the 11W commenters who posted links to OSU's own excellent bibliography.  I've got some reading to do.