David Dawson Update

Miles Joseph's picture
December 2, 2012 at 8:09p
22 Comments

There's a chance the Buckeyes will take one more offensive linemen in the 2013 class. Cass Tech (MI) OG David Dawson is probably the top target still on the board. Dawson de-committed from Michigan in October, but the Maize and Blue are still in the hunt for Dawson and are rumored to be back in the lead for Dawson's services. Here's the latest:

  • Official Visits: Ohio State Dec. 7-9, Michigan Dec. 14-16, Alabama Jan. 11, and Michigan State Jan. 18.
  • OSU Visit (looking forward to): "Just meeting with the commits and coaches. I've already seen the campus."
  • Contact with coaches: "They've visited me a couple of times and we talk on the phone."
  • Coaches' pitch: "The visits have all gone well. They just tell me they're going to dominate the Big Ten and I could be a part of that. They also tell me by my sophomore or red-shirt freshmen year, I could compete for a starting job."
  • Leader(s): "All four (Alabama, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State) are tied. I'd like to stay close to home, but Alabama is Alabama so I definitely like them."
  • Michigan: "I just told the coaches the reasons I did what I did and we had a long talk, that's it."
  • Would like to make a decision sometime in January.
  • Factors: "Playing time, family atmosphere, and how my mom feels."

I will be talking to David again once his visit concludes. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Urban pushed for a commitment on the visit becuase this might be their only shot at landing Dawson.

Comments

Born and Bred's picture

Since Dawson got re-offerred by Michigan do you think they will re-offer Conley too?

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rdubs's picture

I don't think Conley ever lost his offer.

Born and Bred's picture

Well didnt Hoke say if they took other visits they would lose their scholarships?

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BlueBayou's picture

They are considered decommitted if they take other visits.  So what this means is that the staff will no longer guarantee the scholarship, so another recruit can snatch it up and then it is gone.  Dawson lost his offer because he was sneaking behind the coaches' backs trying to arrange a visit to Florida.  He earned the offer back by manning up and contacting Hoke and in his words they had a heart to heart about his situation.  I think that is the quick version.  

rdubs's picture

Bayou is right, you lose the guarantee of your spot, but you don't necessarily lose your offer.  If another guy takes your spot, then you are out of luck (say they got Pocic to flip from LSU, then Dawson would have to look elsewhere).

hodge's picture

Just curious as on your prospective here, BlueBayou (or any other Michigan fans, for that matter).  As a Michigan fan, how do you feel about Dawson being re-offered?  I understand that Dawson "manned" up, and came forward; but the bottom line here is that Hoke went against his vaunted policy.  I can't help but wonder, that if Dawson had pulled this earlier in the recruiting cycle (when UM was sitting pretty with a number of OL prospects), would Hoke have been as lenient?
Personally, I see it as a non-issue; but I recall hearing some chatter amongst the UM faithful over here about how the Dawson scenario was a sort of test for Hoke: would he stick to his principles, even when it meant weakening and destabilizing his class?  Again, I don't much care nor think it's a big deal, but I guess I was wondering if you thought this was a truly genuine move, or something more motivated by necessity?

Oyster's picture

Everybody is tap dancing the obvious, so I will throw it out there.  The rule does not apply to every recruit.  You know it, I know and hoke knows it too.  I bet the savior 'Sugar Shane' can do ANYTHING he wants to and his spot is secure, much like the Prodigal Son Dawson is 'forgiven for his mistakes' and welcomed back with open arms.  Now, please don't try and tell me that this would apply to every recruit, because we all know it would not.
And please don't get me started on why a recruit is expected to act one way when he says yes to ttun, yet a recruit will be welcome from another school if he can be poached.  hoke has a double standard in regards to what he expects from a recruit.
(serenity now)
 

hodge's picture

I don't think it's a double-stanard with regards to his recruits, I think it's a double-standard with regards to the extinuating circumstances surrounding the decommittment.  I think he could afford to lose Pharoah Brown last year (though it seems that he didn't lose his offer, UM vitually stopped recruiting him--he opened up his recruitment after that), while Dawson is a prized O-Lineman decommitting at the exact moment as another well-regarded CB/ATH in Conley.  It seems to me that he's recruiting Dawson again to not lose momentum in his class, being fearful that late-game closers like Meyer might seem more alluring if one/two of his best jump ship for his services.
I don't think that going after committed players is a double-standard, per se; since he doesn't bar his committed players from talking  to other programs, which is what he does with committed players for other programs.  I don't like his policy, necessarily, but I do see his logic; Michigan's committing a scholly for the kid, they should be committed in turn.  I think Hoke's problem is that when you play the early game like he does, and then have these knid of rules in place to discourage visits, you run the risk of late-gamers like Saban and Meyer convincing these kids to at least test the waters--booting them (at least temporarily) out of UM's class.

BlueBayou's picture

Hodge, that is a good question.  It has been a polarizing one in the fan base.  There is a temptation for people to view it in extremes, one way or the other.  I do think that generally it is easier to understand and enforce a rule if it is black and white (ie, once the offer is lost, it is lost), but the world doesn't operate that way because often times things are a bit of both, resulting in grey.
I think that two of Hokes strongest recruiting messages that seem to be mentioned often are that he and his staff are honest and upfront and present a family atmosphere with a level of expectations and standards (academic and personal character).  Included in those expectations of the recruit are honesty and respect.  In return, the coaching staff will respect your commitment by turning potentially better prospects at your position away.  I don't think anyone will disagree that the staff hasn't done this. 
Given the policy and Dawson's actions, I was completely fine with the staff cutting him loose.  I don't want to sound like I'm coming down on Dawson, because by all accounts, he is a good kid.  What I mean by this is, he knew the policy and the Michigan coaching staff clearly communicates the policy, so he can't say he didn't know the consequences when his actions of sneaking around clearly showed he did.  Hoke did the right thing at that time by cutting Dawson loose.
The Michigan coaches clearly moved on and began reaching out to other prospects.  In fact, before this turn of events with Dawson, Michigan offered and scheduled official visits the weekend of December 14th for 3 OLs all of which are 4 stars.  Which any of the three could snatch up the lone scholarship available for a lineman, and Michigan again is no longer an option for Dawson.
So here are the facts that I think are important to Michigan's re-offer to Dawson.  1.  Michigan clearly moved on from his decommitment and scheduled official visits for high caliber replacements.  2.  Michigan did not contact Dawson.  Dawson showed maturity by contacting the Michigan coaching staff, which after a heart to heart lead to his re-offer.  This also makes Dawson the first commit that attempted to sneak a visit in to reach out to the coaching staff afterward.  (Brown never tried to get back in touch with the Michigan coaches)  3.  Dawson is currently not guaranteed a spot in Michigan's class, just the opportunity to rejoin.  4.  Dawson could lose his opportunity to commit at any time, so he could still pay a price by not being a member of the class.
So given Dawson's situation and the fact he took the step to reconnect with the Michigan coaches, how can Hoke and company pretend to offer a family atmosphere and value honesty and being upfront and not re-offer?  You can't have him spend at least 7 months committed to your program, building a relationship with him, and becoming "family" and then show a cold hearted response, a business response and push him out the door when he tells you he's learned from his mistake and asks for a second chance.  If you stand for what Hoke stands for then you have to offer the second chance, which again is just an opportunity at this moment.  No spot is reserved for Dawson.  If Hoke didn't re-offer then he risks the image he has built to appear to be a mirage.
So given my viewpoint, I think the re-offer is genuine (also supported by other options still being available) and falls in place with the image of Hoke.  In a world of gray, sometimes a simple rule is really complex due to hidden variables, that if not seen, may cause someone to see an apparent obvious hypocritical action that truly is one of principle when viewed in its proper context.  That I dare say, is what I believe we have here.
I believe I have rambled on a bit, but hopefully my thoughts are clear.

Born and Bred's picture

Thanks for the clarification! 

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BuckeyeUro's picture

Miles, thanks for the updates, small correction 
 

Official Visits: Ohio State Dec. 7-9, Michigan Dec. 14-16, Alabama Jan. 11, and Michigan Jan. 18

I think his MSU visit is on Jan. 18, not Michigan.

Miles Joseph's picture

Thanks. His text said Michigan Jan. 18, but I just cleared it up w/ him. My bad.

BuckeyeUro's picture

No worries man, thanks for all the effort.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I think this one is over and we are not in the picture after the visit.

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BuckeyeUro's picture

Why do you think that? if its so, why he is still taking officials??

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Gut feeling and reading into his interviews, he doesn't appear to be jazzed for OSU.  I think he's taking his officials so he can see what else is out there and make a more informed decision.  I don't think he's going to leave the state of Michigan.

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SouthernSailor's picture

I dont like the fact that we are his first visit. Unless we come away with a commitment after the visit, I think we lose out on him.

gobucks96's picture

Rather be the first in this situation IMHO. I think the kid wants to know where he's going..

SouthernSailor's picture

I could understand that, however I was under the impression that typically a commit saved the school he favored for the last visit.
Hopefully your right and I am not!!

gobucks96's picture

I could understand that, however I was under the impression that typically a commit saved the school he favored for the last visit.

I was actually trying to be overly optomistic..
 
It's not looking good now.
 

bucknutz18's picture

Cancelled visit.  Says ACT conflict..

BuckeyeUro's picture

It appears that David already took his ACT and scored well, he has to come up with this stupid lie after Hoke pressured him that he would only re-offer for him if he cancelled his OSU visit, and that what he did. End of show; let's move to the next one.