What about Gary Pinkel?

Maestro's picture
September 22, 2011 at 11:49a
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Akron native.

Kent State grad.

MAC Champion coach.

Has brought in some serious NFL talent to play at Missouri.

Downside is that he is almost 60, but I never see his name mentioned by the REPLACE FICKELL YESTERDAY folks.

Just think he is an option that would be very solid and capable, and he is a former Offensive Coordinator.

I know that he is not a "sexy" name like Meyer or Gruden, but I am not into "sexy" names.  If Fickell doesn't work out I think Ohio State would be very smart to hire someone with a long track record of success as a head coach.  Pinkel is definitely a proven successful head coach, and in the right situation perhaps a great head coach.

Thoughts?

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Alex's picture

When was the last time he won a Big 12? Don't get me wrong, solid coach, competitive teams, but not the elite guy you want at Ohio State.

I'd rather have Luke Fickell learn on the job and be an excellent coach down the road rather then have a mediocre Pinkel.

SilverBullets's picture

I agree.  Going with Pinkel is a straight-up offensive alone hire.  Just wouldn't cut it at Ohio State

buckeyedude's picture

You're crazy Alex, if you think Pinkel is a "mediocre" coach. He would turn OSU into a winner. And it would be his dream job, aka Tressel.

The comments about Pinkel's teams being very offensive minded are true though. He had some great offensive teams at Toledo a few years back. He could make a kid like Braxton a slam dunk Heisman winner.

 

 

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

"He would turn OSU into a winner."  Uhhhhh, I'm confused.  When did OSU become losers that need Pinkel to turn things around?  Are you thinking of the Bobcats, maybe?

Maestro's picture

You've not heard of Aldon Smith?

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SilverBullets's picture

Yea sorry forgot about him.  But 1 first rounder in 10 years?

Alex's picture

Blaine Gabbert and Jeremy Maclin as well and I'm sure there's a couple more....plenty of schools produce first rounders, including Troy....doesn't make their coaches worthy of being at THE Ohio State University

Maestro's picture

JT was never a defensive coach either by the way.

Thanks for the responses though. Just spit ballin'

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Buckeyejason's picture

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Seth4Bucks's picture

How about Gary Pinkel for OC and keep Fickell as HC?

SilverBullets's picture

I should clarify my point from above.  My personal feeling on Pinkel is his team's have been a heavy focus on the offensive side and my offhand comment on first round defensive players is just one indicator of that.  Pinkel is a good coach who has brought Mizzou to a level they probably have never seen before.  Due to his connections to the state I'm sure Pinkel is on any starting list for Gene Smith.  As Alex said, I think Ohio State can do better than that though.

JT wasn't a defensive coach true, but his style of play and long list of defensive coordinators showed where his emphasis was.  

I'm not saying Pinkel would do the same thing (it'd be almost impossible to do so), but remember Rich Rod brought West Virginia to heights they had never seen before too.  And then he started meddling with defense...

BoFuquel's picture

Man I wouldn't give up a head job for stinkin' OC .

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biggy84's picture

He would understand the hatred for tsun. The guy has done a lot without the benefit of the luxuries tOSU has.

Maestro's picture

Completely agree. Mizzou is hardly a traditional football powerhouse. They are a traditional football pedestrian, and he has made them a Big XII contender. Mizzou had 2 winning seasons from 1984 until his arrival in 2001. Mizzou had exactly 2-10 win season before Pinkel's arrival in 110 years of football (one of those was in a 16 game season in 1896). Pinkel has had 3-10 win seasons in a decade.

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M Man's picture

Gary Pinkel's understanding of "the hatred for tsun" would have deepened the irony if Michigan had hired him last January:

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/260652?eref=twitter_feed

buckeyedude's picture

Gary Pinkel would be a GREAT coach, but I'm not bailing on Luke that damn fast. Pinkel took the Toledo Rockets to MAC championships, and turned around a perennially horrible Missou team.

 

 

M Man's picture

By the way, when you guys struggled against Toledo earlier this year, I was among the first to say, Hey, Toledo is a pretty danged good football team! 

After the way the Rockets got robbed in Syracuse, I still feel pretty comfortable about that.

btalbert25's picture

At a school like Mizzou or Toledo, I'm not sure you can land a team with a lot of talent on both sides of the ball.  I guess I think it's impossible to say well it was this way at his previous two stops so obviously it will be this way at Ohio State.  I tend to think I'd rather stick with what we have if the alternative is Pinkel though. 

it's always hard to say though.  Would Glen Mason have failed miserably at Ohio State if he were given their resources?  Probably not.  Would Tressel have been a legendary coach at a midling BCS school like Mizzou?  Eh, not likely. 

TLB's picture

Pinkel should be on the short list, assuming the university wants to wash it's hands of the entire current regime.

baddogmaine's picture

Buckeyes need someone with offensive creativity. It wasn't Tressel, it hasan't been Bollman, and it doesn't appear to be Fickell. In that regard Pinkel is not a bad choice.

 

But you don't put a 60 year old at the top of your search list. There aren't enough miles left on the tires before we're looking to replace him. If Fickell has to go and Meyer says no and no other better candidates are found then Pinkel would not be a terrible choice. I would prefer not to hand the keys to someone we can't count on for at least ten years.

Kurt's picture

I like Pinkel.  Good track record.  And he spreads the field, I like any coach who implements a philosophy of spreading the field and maximizing their talent.

Pinkel's OC is also an Ohioan, from Carrollton.  They run a passing spread offense, which if I'm going to be picky, I'd rather have an Urban Meyer style running spread which is less reliant on a qb to make great throws.

I think we're seeing many things now in suddenly thrusting Fickell to the wolves.

1) Fickell has never run the show before at any level, let alone OSU. Tressel was relatively unkown before OSU, but he had a tremendous track record and knew how to run a program and command a staff. Make no mistake, Fickell is a great DC, and our D hasn't dropped off bc I'm sure he's still very very involved with the unit.

2) Tressel was a control freak. So with him taken out of the equation and suddenly putting Bollman in charge of more than just the 'interior line' (remember how his role was so dramatically reduced?), the staff is somewhat doomed. 

3) This isn't his staff. Who knows how many, if any (other than Vrabel) he would keep if hired. What type of OC would he hire? Would he hire a DC in title only and call plays himself?  Or would he truly delegate DC playcalling?

JakeBuckeye's picture

Bottom line for me is we need some offensive firepower with our next head coach. Urban would be ideal in that aspect, but its likely we will have to look elsewhere if he's not willing.

GoBucks713's picture

How about instead of talking about the next coach, we get behind our current coach?

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CGroverL's picture

I have been screaming that for 5 days now and my fingers are sore from blogging in defense of Fickell. Fickell is great! He needs time, and is not being given any. SUPPORT FICKELL!!!!

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Maestro's picture

Agree.

Just food for thought since the only names I have seen discussed are Urban and Urban.

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Buckeyejason's picture

Talking about our next head coach is irrelavent until:

1.The seasons over and we see how good, or bad we were.

2. Luke Fickell is officially fired.

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JakeBuckeye's picture

Luke Fickell won't get fired no matter what. He was never hired. He's an INTERM head coach. Interm meaning he is only our head coach until we find our next permanent head coach. That being said, Luke Fickell may end up being that next permanent coach but right now he is not. Therefore it is completely relevant to talk about our next head coach.

CGroverL's picture

Everyone I talk to wants Fickell gone. I love the guy...well love is a strange word but I do LOVE the idea of having a former Buckeye player as a coach. No one I have talked to even cares about having a former Buckeye player as a coach. Any coach would have had a tough time when your only offensive starters in skill positions that have seen the field before are a seldom used RB and a returning TE. Firing Fickell is just way WRONG. Throwing a first year coach into a septic tank left by Terssel, Pryor, and others and expecting a perfect season when most players are freshmen and sophomores is ridiculous. He will beat Michigan and finish with a respectable season. Next year's Buckeyes will make a BCS title run if the NCAA allows it.

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CGroverL's picture

FIRE FICKELL YESTERDAY?????

Is there anyone out there like me that wants to give him a 3 year contract now?

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BoFuquel's picture

YES!!!

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BoFuquel's picture

At a real salery also.

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CGroverL's picture

He is a true Buckeye...this is his dream job and I truly believe that if he cut his arm open, scarlet and gray blood would come out...if the cut was big enough, maybe a few Buckeye helmet stickers might come out, too.

 

What do you think is a real salary? 

It is great to know that I am not alone.

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BoFuquel's picture

At least 2 mil.

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JakeBuckeye's picture

Jesus guys, nobody is saying fire Fickell! That would be impossible to fire Fickell. He was never HIRED for Christ's sake! He is an interm head coach! INTERM. INTERM. INTERRRRMMMMM!!! He is not the permanent solution nor is he meant to be. Just a few months ago he was being considered for the Miami (OH) job. That is probably his caliber as of now as a head coach. He is not on Ohio State's level when it comes to what we need out there as a head coach. You can't be Miami (OH) caliber and Ohio State caliber at the same time. That is impossible. We need a major shake up. We don't need a Bollman controlled offense (which is what we'll have with Fickell at the helm.) If Fickell comes out and says he'll make some major changes with this program if hired permanently then I perhaps will be more considerate of the idea of Fickell returning as a permanent solution to the head coach crisis. But even then...

jenks's picture

they took that tag off. i don't remember all the details on how things got restructured with his salary, contract length, etc, but he's not the interim coach. he is THE coach.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Ohio-State-d...

JakeBuckeye's picture

Did you read that article? He certainly isn't THE coach, even with the interm tag off.

jenks's picture

That is just one of many articles on the situation, so you are just reading/interpreting their take on it. In reality, this is no different than any coach with a one year deal, or who is in the last year of his current contract and on a hot seat.

CGroverL's picture

Well...I was questioning the place in the article where there was a reference to the "FIRE FICKELL YESTERDAY PEOPLE". I said that I wish he would be given a 3 year deal and asked if anyone agreed with me. BOFUQUEL said he did and said that Fick should be given a real salary of at least $2M. 

There must be a bunch of fans (the Buckeyes have the world's best and worst fans) that have been saying, blogging, or have a page dedicated to "Fire Fickell Yesterday". We both just said that we thought he should be given a multi-year deal.

So...no reason for the "Jesus, guys", "never HIRED for Christ's sake", and spelling "interim" incorrectly 4 times with tons of emphasis put on it once.

I'm sorry that I disagree with you about Fickell though. I figured with his rise up the Ohio State coaching ladder from special teams coach, to linebackers coach, then being appointed co-defensive coordinator, that he eventually was going to be an Ohio State caliber head coach. You think the Buckeyes need a "major shake up". I think that has already happened. I also hated it and it still isn't over yet. I think they need some solidarity and need a shake up like they need a bag on their hip. Myself...I would love to have Fickell, Vrabel, and eventually Spielman, too. I like the idea of former Buckeyes coaching. It is simply my opinion...everyone has one, brother.

 

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JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm sorry if I went over the top, friend. I just get a little worried sometimes that not only this clown Gene Smith will stay as our AD, but that he will keep the coaches we currently have for our football team. I strongly disagree with you that this team has already recieved a major shake up. Yes, they've been shaken up (for the worse), as any team would be after losing a head coach, but this team is looking identical to the way Tressel would have ran things. The difference is, as I've stated before, Tressel is Tressel and he played the Tressel role very well. Fickell is not Tressel, and he hasn't played the Tressel role very well at all. I just don't see on what basis its logical at this point to want to give Fickell a three year deal as head football coach. Our team and coaches have woefully underperformed. Granted, Fickell's evaluation is not over and perhaps I should not be so dismissive, but how is it logical at this point to be the opposite of dismissive? Great, we beat a team at home that hasn't won on the road in 18 straight attempts. We also shut out a team that went 1-11 last year. Oh, and there is that debacle in Coral Gables and that embarrassment against Toledo on our own turf. But lets dismiss those and throw him a three year deal tomorrow, right? But hey, maybe we end up going 11-1 and to the Big Ten Championship Game. It could happen, but until this team and these coaches start performing like they should, remind me why we should give Fickell a three year deal right away? Simply on the grounds that he is a former Buckeye? Sorry brotha, I'll pass.

CGroverL's picture

First...I'm your brother, not your friend. Second, we all have our thoughts and opinions and "Tattoogate" killed TOSU and "Charitygate" made it nearly impossible for our beloved Bucks to be successful. This has hampered any season plan that Fick may have had and at the least made it where even the Buckeyes running game looked weak. Fick hasn't been given a chance and he has been mentored by Tressel for years. I am not wanting to give him the honor of being "Senator" just because he is a Buckeye, but I admit that it does have a lot to do with it. People are bringing up Pelini's name a lot...he is a Buckeye with a 34-12 record at Nebraska and from his credentials has a great defensive mind. I just want Fickell, I didn't love "Tresselball" at times, but loved winning. I see the coaching staff with a lot of promise. Bringing in Drayton would pay off if he could turn Berry into Percy Harvin as he did at Florida. I just think the pieces are there, they are young (besides Bollman), and I like things how they are...I just want Spielman in the mix, too. I see a national championship group of players possibly next season and do not want a first year guy working with it. Oh well...I'm feeling that "tl;dr" type thing now....take care, brother.

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buckeyefanatic's picture

You think the game results from the first 4 games would be that much different with Tressel coaching, using the same players? Personally, I do not.

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CGroverL's picture

Stoneburner, Fragel and Hall were the only players in skill positions that were upperclassmen. Hall of course didn't play until game 3. "El Guapo" Hyde, played well but is a sophomore...the rest of the skill players when you eliminate the Bausersaurus from the equation are all freshmen. I can't see how any coach could have done much better. 

The future looks very bright for the Buckeyes though, because the receiving corps is talented and just young. I can see a ton of options in the mix for the Buckeye future. I really think also that El Guapo is going to be a force as a junior next year. Everyone is in love with Jordan Hall, but when Herron returns, you have to figure Herron and Hall to split the carries. That means El Guapo is the 3rd and short back, possibly. Hyde ia listed at 6'1", 238lbs. the kid runs a 4.4 second 40. I think Hall is a great back and has proved to have a bit better vision than Hyde. Hyde, as a junior could become an absolute monster. His size and burst are undeniable...add some vision to Hyde and the Buckeyes have a shot at having two 1,000+ yard RB's next year. I want Fickell to be the coach of next year's squad. Second year coaches have won at least 2 titles that I can think of since 2002. Tressel, Chizik, and Meyer I think were al in their 2nd year when they won their titles at their respective schools. 

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builderofcoalitions's picture

I live in Columbia, MO and work at the university. Trust me. You don't want Pinkel as the HC. He is not all-offense as is suggested here. His defenses the last couple of years have been pretty stout, but they run such a fast-paced offense that they tend to give the opponent more plays and TOP. Plus, NO ONE really plays defense in the B12.

All that and you just never know what you'll get with Pinkel. Imagine Les Miles with terrible timing. Pinkel has lost 1-3 games Mizzou should never lose every season, normally due to some silly playcall or incredibly poor-timed trick-play.

He is a fine coach, has done a lot to upgrade Mizzou, but he is not even on the level of what should be the hire at OSU.

That said, check out my thread on Peterson of Boise St.

Because we couldn't go for three.