Michigan Arrests Under Hoke VS OSU Arrests Under Meyer

lljjgg's picture
March 13, 2013 at 7:53p
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According to many Michigan fans, Urban Meyer runs a dirty program filled with arrest issues. Michigan on the other hand is a clean program where their student-athletes perform with the upmost integrity, rarely if ever running afoul of the law.
http://michigan.247sports.com/Board/59424/OU-Getting-Ready-to-Narfle-the-Garthok-Again-17420054/1
^Good example of a thread where Michigan fans perpetuate said mentality

According to ArrestNation.com
OSU arrests since Meyer's hire on Nov. 23, 2011:
Bri’onte Dunn (July 2012)
Dominic Clarke (January 7, 2012)
Jack Mewhort (June 2, 2012)
Jacob Stoneburner (June 2, 2012)
Storm Klein (July 6, 2012)

Michigan arrests since Hoke's hire on Jan. 11, 2011:
Fitzgerald Toussaint (July 21, 2012)
Frank Clark (June 2012)
Will Campbell (April 7, 2012)
Josh Furman (February 11, 2012)
Marvin Robinson (November 2011)
Darryl Stonum (May 6, 2011)

Brady Hoke has 10 extra months on the job, but one more arrest at this point. Pretty dang comparable if you ask me. Just something to consider when you hear from a Michigan fan about how the OSU program is "thug-ridden" and "full of criminals,"  which I'm sure you'll have to hear often over the next few years, compared to Michigan's angels in winged helmets.

Arrests and criminality are an issue among nearly every elite college football team, it's an unfortunate reality, but it is the reality. The doesn't make it right, nor am I trying to glorify it. I just think there needs to be some objectivity about the fact that this is becoming an issue everywhere, it's not simply a "Meyer issue" or an "SEC issue" as some would like to believe.  

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Of course it goes on everywhere, but it helps nothing by deflecting the blame. When one program screws up, everyone else points the finger leading to this unstoppable chain of fingerpointing with no memory or objectivity. 

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captain obvious's picture

They are kids. I dont think it reflects negatively on either coach.

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USMC11917's picture

Did you get arrested as a kid? I did not.. Being 18-23 still makes me eligible to be a kid? Accountability needs to be the focus here, not understanding. Being accountable is part of being a man. I agree with you that this should not reflect poorly on Meyer as long as punitive measures are consistent and accounted for.

captain obvious's picture

I did plenty of things I could have gotten arrested for. I dont think being 20 drunk and pissing in public is a true reflection on poor character. I agree the kids and program need to be accountable but considering the number of kids and their backgrounds that come through these two programs it seems like both programs are actually doing a great job.

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USMC11917's picture

Hmm, I think being an adult and knowing the law and willfully breaking it is a pretty obvious sign of some character flaws. Not to go ALL JUDGMENTAL, I agree with you that there are a great number of things that would surpass that as far as "criminal conduct" is concerned. If you raise your kids accepting that they are going to make decisions that will land them in jail are you really doing a diligent job as a parent? I understand that they can make bad decisions but criminal ones? Shouldn't we expect more than that from our own? Btw, I appreciate your civil response and when I asked that question it was not intended to sound like a personal attack.

Scott K's picture

Not letting you slide on this one: " I think being an adult and knowing the law and willfully breaking it is a pretty obvious sign of some character flaws."

Come on man, every 18 - 20 yo who drinks under age has a character flaw?

Not buying what you're selling.

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Kalamazoo Steve's picture

I did. More than once. My time in cuffs were me being an idiot and all alcohol related. I wouldn't change my youth for anything. Sometimes the back of a cop car is a good thing for your future path.

One Bad Buckeye's picture

It's pretty simple......don't get arrested.  

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Or just do not put yourself in a position to get arrested. I am pretty sure kids know the difference between abiding by the law and breaking it.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Here's the other key - only 1 of those TSUN arrests under Hoke came before November 2011.  So basically since Urban has taken over, both programs have had the same number of arrests.  As far as I'm concerned, they can take their angel argument and shove it.  I guess when you can't beat OSU on the field, this is the stuff you turn to.  You might want to make sure that you haven't had as many players arrested as OSU has had under Urban, over the same timeframe, before you make this Plan B dig at OSU.

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GoBlueBlood's picture

I don't think there's any value in making such a comparison to be honest. It is placing far too much blame on the coaches. These are college kids and make their own decisions, the coaches can only do so much.
Additionally, if you want to make such a comparison, I think it would only be fair to do so when Hoke and Meyer respectively have their recruits in the program. If you compare the number of arrests by those recruited by Hoke vs. those recruited by Meyer, then you can make less-biased assessments. Hoke is recruiting much higher quality individuals than Rich Rod chose to. 
Also, some of the arrests (while, yes they are still arrests) were for extremely minor offenses that should not be considered in one's judgment of character. 

LouGroza's picture

Its not about being fair. The OP is simply stating the fact that the other fanbase takes great pains to make statements that Urban and OSU are without honor in comparison to them. Then he compares to show there is no difference. The high and mighty attitude is the issue.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

You do make very good points.  I don't think either program has a problem that the coaches should take blame for.  These things happen.  You're bound to get players who screw up.  Every program has it happen.
What I'm saying is basically if you're a fan of TSUN or any other school, and you want to take shots at OSU over players that have been arrested, you might want to make sure that your own school hasn't had a similar number of their own players arrested.  It's just a pot/kettle kind of thing.  And certainly, not all TSUN fans are like that...probably most are not like that.  MLive is always good for some irrational TSUN fans. 

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BlueBayou's picture

I for one am not big on the arrest argument.  The stats that most grab onto are the 31 arrests at Florida under Meyer in a 5 year period and I just don't think that it says anything one way or the other about Meyer.  Besides, tOSU has higher standards, so if there were any truth to it at Florida, I don't think it would apply here.  I agree with others that it is a college football wide issue and not that of any one team.  Although, it would be interesting how the arrest statistics per football player compares to those of the general student body as a whole.  Would they be any different?  Would it show a problem with football players, or would it show they make the same dumb decisions as their student peers?
Also, to be fair to those named above, Bri'onte Dunn and Marvin Robinson had their charges dropped and Josh Furman was found not guilty.
 

buckeyedude's picture

I work with several obnoxious UM fans, and the one thing one individual continually spews is that OSU "cheats."
Cheats? C'mon man. Is that the best you got?
I don't seek him out for ridicule during football season. As a matter of fact, when UM plays well or lands a top recruit, I congratulate him. He would NEVER do that for OSU. I guess he is what you would call a maze and bloo glasses wearing, Walmart Wolverine. Never went to school there. Just rides the UM bus(with the tinted windows). 
He just never shuts the hell up. So when he opens his mouth, I have to put him in his place and embarrass him in front of our peers, with facts. This article blog will go a longs ways towards helping my argument. 

 

 

Squirrel Master's picture

very good points bluebayou and I will add to it that there have been many arrests down in Florida since Urban left. I have said many times that I lived in that area and drugs and crime are pretty rampant down there. Pot grows wild down there and the police have field days arresting people left and right. It is the culture of the area more than a coach allowing his players to run amuk.
both arguments are silly and make no sense of who "cheats", "recruits thugs" or "doesn't control their players". Both these coachs are outstanding coachs and won't take crap with their programs. UF just is in such a horrible place to control a team. Much like Miami, Gainesville is a drug haven and party town. If anything, Urban got out of there just in time.

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McKraut's picture

To be honest, Columbus also has more than it's fair share of drug and party culture, so saying that it's more of a problem in Gainesville is just not the case. My uncle was a corrections officer at the county jail in Gainesville for about 15 years before moving back home to Ohio and getting a job at the prison over in London, just west of Columbus. His next door neighbor in London is a dealer and 2/3 of his inmates at London are there on various drug charges. He said there's just as much if not more drugs and party culture in Columbus than Gainesville.

I do believe, however, that Ohio State as a whole institution expects more from and holds all of it's students and faculty, and especially it's student athletes, to a higher standard than UF.

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DetroitBuckeye's picture

According to Neighborhoodscout.com 
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/oh/columbus/crime/
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/gainesville/crime/
Gainesville is in fact safer, this probably has to do with the fact though that Columbus is much larger and much more than just Ohio State.  I think that most schools particularly major universities hold themselves to a pretty high standard.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Academically, Florida is pretty equal to TOSU.  

 
McKraut's picture

In defense of Meyer, one of the things he has seemingly changed is the evaluation on a recruit's personality and character and how it bears on whether or not he offers and/or accepts a commitment from a recruit. I think that's part of why he's passed on Davonte Neal's commitment attempt and backed off of Stefon Diggs last minute last season and also why he slowed up on and/or didn't pursue some recruits in this year's class like Robert Foster. Meyer seems like he's avoiding the arrogant, cocky, and brash personalities in his recruits more at OSU than he did at Florida.

That being said, young men will still do dumb things and make some dumb decisions. It's hard not to let it get to your head and decision making when you're treated like a rock star on campus and play most of your games on national television. For the most part, OSU has always maintained a fairly high standard and had few serious problems with student athletes over the years, and Meyer surely doesn't want to be the coach to let that standard fail, especially in the wake of the scandal that ultimately opened up the opportunity for him to coach here in the first place.

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Hovenaut's picture

"Thug-ridden", "full of criminals"....."Ohio".....

Guess they have to do whatever they need to do in order to get through another year having gotten their asses beat.

Wonder what they'll come up with after this year.

In all seriousness, any major football program is susceptible to having young men making poor choices. Such instances are not a be-all, end-all measuring stick of the quality of the program or the people tasked with the responsibility of leading it.

Instead of arrest trackers, comparisons of Academic All-Conference/All-Americans or graduation rates could be listed.

I never gave much attention to any legal issues any players (or coaches....G. Moeller) up there ever have. Not in the sense of how it could make tOSU look in a better light. I only care about scoring more points head to head come late November.

Whew. Rant over....

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mclovin's picture

These figures are nice and all but the main criticism against Meyer, at least while he was at Florida, was that he recruited on the basis of talent alone and didn't account enough for character -- not that he didn't run a tight ship.  The guys that he has recruited at Ohio State have only been there for a year and don't even make up half of the roster, so these numbers reflect more on the guys that Tressel recruited than on the guys Meyer goes after.  Same goes for Hoke.  I personally don't care what Michigan fans say on a Michigan board about Ohio State because I don't visit Michigan boards, which is probably true for a lot of people who frequent this site, so I consider this a non-issue until Michigan fans start to come on this site and make these kinds of accusations against Meyer.  This is probably better suited for the site where you heard people make these claims. 

OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

Using the 247 boards and the writing of anyone who uses "O$U" is not a good way to get a representative sample of the Michigan fanbase.
Sometimes, there's just no way to predict it, and you do all you can as a coach and a teacher, and kids still pee in alleyways or try to do a hood slide even though they weigh 300 pounds. In fact, the whole "bunch of thugs" argument almost never holds water for me.
This stuff CAN be easy to predict, but frankly, it's a GOOD thing that coaches take chances on trying to reform kids with visible character issues. They're kids - they deserve that shot. It's just unfortunate that most of the kids who get it can run 4.3 40-yard dashes or have a killer swim move.
The stuff that you *can't* predict...well, you can't predict it. Kids make poor choices sometimes. As a coach, you just have to be willing to do the right thing when it comes about. I have no problems with the way Meyer or Hoke have handled the situations that have come up.

Squirrel Master's picture

if these kids were angels, they wouldn't be playing football in the first place. Unfortunately football doesn't breed perfect gentlemen off the field. They have to have passion and egos to succeed and with that comes other unsuitable behavior.
with that said, I think you misinterpretted the original post. He was using those points as to say that the fingerpointing at Urban Meyer from "some" of the UM fanbase is a bit pathetic when what you say, and the rest of us as well, is the truth.
sometimes we get on here to talk about the hypocrisy of other posts. Doesn't mean we are calling out the whole other fan base.

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OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

I don't think I did misinterpret it. If you have a point of view that's based on a small sample size, you can always find something to support it. I could just as easily create a post that said, "Many Michigan fans are discussing Urban Meyer's handling of team arrests with dignity and class," and then have found a great example of that.
I also don't accept your premise that "if these kids were angels, they wouldn't be playing football in the first place." There are tons of outstanding football players who are exceptionally talented AND exceptional people. Passion does not necessarily breed unsuitable behavior. Ego, perhaps, but focusing on working very hard and playing with confidence doesn't necessarily mean they think they're untouchable. At the very least, it shouldn't.
Calling out the hypocrisy of other posts is definitely a worthwhile pursuit. I just think if he's going to choose to call people out on their hypocrisy, it should be a board that isn't tantamount to the village idiot.

lljjgg's picture

"I could just as easily create a post that said, "Many Michigan fans are discussing Urban Meyer's handling of team arrests with dignity and class," and then have found a great example of that."

^I do think you misunderstood my intention, then. The blog post wasn't about demonizing Michigan fans, it was about what I see as the objective fact that nearly every big college football program deals with these issues, including both OSU and Michigan. Just within the last couple of days there were arrests at the University of Texas, the University of Washington, and Syracuse University, for example. The Michigan fan element that I brought into play wasn't about saying "Michigan athletes are like _____" or even "Michigan fans are like ____," it was to say "this is something to consider when you deal with a Michigan fan who claims OSU is a program of criminals and that Michigan athletes are held to a higher standard." That idea is a fallacy to me that nearly every OSU fan I've encountered has had to deal with for many, many years now. 

I think everyone here realizes that there a lot of great, classy Michigan fans. My brother is a lifelong Michigan fan, and of course I love and respect him. I posted what I did as a recognition for OSU fans who may have to deal with a troublesome fan, Michigan or otherwise. Not as a condemnation of Michigan or Michigan fans in general. Every program has their young men who make mistakes, every fanbase has their trouble-makers.

OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

Well, in that case, you picked a good example. The 247 boards, as a rule, are dreadful. Most of my original post was about the exact subject that you intended, I think.
As far as Michigan goes, I s'pose I can get a little defensive about the maize and blue 'round these parts...

Squirrel Master's picture

OBMB, despite outstanding people football players are, they all are by far not angels or mentally innocent. To reach the levels they have, just the competitive spirit alone will border on a state of mind that could easily have turned to criminal behavior. Perhaps football helps them avoid such pitfalls but it truly doesn't encourage innocent thinking. Many players have said that there has to be something wrong to play this game at this level. To compare violence in football and the acceptance of it to violence in real life wouldn't take much of an argument. Despite their upstanding hard work and behavior, most of these players aren't far from a criminals mind frame.

I'm just saying that football players, and I am speaking in general, are not perfect angels. For society to expect that from each and everyone of them would be a failure in expectations. Especially with some of their upbringing. To put all that on urban or Hoke, or any other coach would be unrealistic.

I believe that is what the OP also intended.

Oh and sometimes calling out the village idiot happens. Especially when its off season. UM fans do the same too. Village idiot OSU sites are out there too.

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M Man's picture

There are a very small handful of Michigan blogs/boards worth reading.  The 247 board is not one of them; it's not even close.
The premise of this entire thread seems to be that "Michigan fans" are hypocrites, picking a fight.  Using a 247 Sports message board to support that premise is pretty weak.
If you want to hear it from me, I'll lay it out for you.  OSU was hammered for Tatgate.  It was a decidedly minor matter; it was tragic what happened to Tressel as a result, and I feel terrible for Coach Tressel.  But OSU did what it had to, and what I know for certain is that Tressel had excellent counsel (in the end, but only in the end) and whatever was done probably had to be done.
I was a huge fan of Andy Geiger.  I'm not much of a fan of Gene Smith.  I have a lot of respect for Urban Meyer but personally I liked Jim Tressel better.  Personal feelings aside, Tatgate served to clean out a very, very few undesirables who had no good reason to be anywhere close to your football players.  Good riddance to them.
There hasn't been a micrometer's worth of distance between how Meyer and Brady Hoke discipline players.  Jim Tressel didn't make it his business to recruit thugs.  Nor did Lloyd Carr.  Urban Meyer and Brady Hoke are not recruiting thugs.  Show me a random list of 135 undergraduate males, all presented with the opportunities and privileges of the average football player, and I will expect that group to produce a dozen mostly-dumb misdemeanors and the odd felony in 2-3 years' time.  OSU and Michigan seem to have virtually identical rules on how to generally approach such matters.
I really wasted more time and effort on this reply than this depressing and uninformative topic deserved.

jeremytwoface's picture

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH... I'm going to down-vote you simply because you're a Michigan fan!!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Totally kidding by the way (if you couldn't tell my sarcasm through our internet connection)
I actually really enjoyed your post. +1 to you!

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Stop being so rational M Man.....well done, and not a waste of time on your part. Now go have a shot of Bourbon, you deserve it.

M Man's picture

btw:  About Michigan's list in the OP.  I have a bit of expertise in relation to that list; not so much the OSU list.
Josh Furman was indeed arrested and booked.  He went to trial.  And he was found not guilty.  I think that makes his case unique.  (Were any of the other cases dismissed?  Or the defendants found not guilty?  I don't know.)
And Will Campbell's crime fwiw, was doing a Dukes of Hazzard slide across the hood of a car.  And because Big Will is 325, he left a mark.  I just thought you guys would get a kick out of that. 

Squirrel Master's picture

A 300 lber doing a hood slide is quite the sight, I am sure!

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OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

As I understand it, it was more "attempting" than "doing" a hood slide...

M Man's picture

Hey, you guys should have caught on one point...
Bri'onte Dunn was arrested, but never charged, right?  His mom zipped down to the police station, explained to the cops that the car was hers, Bri'onte was just borrowing it, and the weed that was discovered inside the vehicle belonged to her, and not Bri'onte, right?
Mom of the Year, right there.

pcon258's picture

If I got caught with weed in my mom's car, I think she might have a different reaction...

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Not that my opinion matters, but most UM fans share M Mans thoughts. I'm around them all day, every day. Only the ones that base their opinions on what they see on First Take are terrible. They are few and far between. Most respect the rivalry. And most agree that Sparty still sits at the kids table.

buckeyebart's picture

One of the best mottos Tress had ( Unfortunately wasn't always followed ), and I used it to raise my teenage children by was :" NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS AFTER MIDNIGHT" If all young adults followed this motto many of the compromising moments would be eliminated.
I bet if records were checked nearly all these happened after the bewitching hour !
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Deshaun's picture

In my humble opinion, I believe there is a fundamental flaw with the arrest argument. Prudence would suggest a nature of waiting until all the facts come in before passing judgement. However, we demand instant conclusions to whatever has our interest at the time. We don't like to wait to tune in next week to see how the cliffhanger was resolved in the latest episode of Damages. Counting arrests runs directly counter to waiting on all (or even the majority of) the facts to come in.

Police officers are human beings who, by and large, do their best to serve and protect. Unfortunately, they are forced to make immediate decisions based on incomplete and imperfect information. They get called to a scene and have to guess what happened based on what they see. Sometimes a person gets arrested for punching someone in a fight where the second person cornered and accosted him. (I've seen that happen) Charges get dropped all the time because more facts come out about an incident after the arrest, but by then we've lost interest in the story and moved on. If the cornered person were an athlete, that hypothetical arrest would still count against the team.

The 2nd flaw with comparing arrest counts is in treating all incidents as though they are the same value. Someone can get arrested for playing music too loudly (seen that one too). There is a big difference between unpaid parking tickets and assaulting someone. How many of Urban Meyer's alleged 31 arrests at Florida were for college kids drinking while underage at a campus party? How many resulted in convictions?

An arrest is merely the taking of a person into custody. It would be more valuable to compare felony and misdemeanor convictions. The arrest count is simply a flawed and potentially very misleading data point.

pcon258's picture

agree completely. Arrest ≠ conviction. Most times when you get arrested, it means you were doing something wrong, but it is no guarantee. If you ever could get honest answers from people, there are probably alot more college aged kids who have been arrested than you realize. For so many of them it results in the case being thrown out, or something along those lines, but for a football player, it becomes headline news. It's a tough end of the stick for the players, but it comes with the territory I suppose. 

WC Buckeye's picture

Ummm, I kinda hate to say it, buuuut..... we have potentially 3 arrests pending. Changes the numbers a bit, and the "Hoke's had 10 more months on the job" argument fizzles right about there.
That said, as many of the posters have mentioned, these are kids, kids do stupid things, kids put themselves in bad positions, and none of this has ANYTHING to do with either the coach OR the program. Since we know from experience that kids inevitably will do it, the measure of the coach and the program is how they handle the kid AFTER the screw- up, which I think it's fair to say gives Urbz an edge over Flounder.

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Squirrel Master's picture

there won't be 3 more arrests. You need to read the story. It is very likely that Pittman will be arrested for the possible rape. The other 2 are at most guilty of lying to the police and that has to be proven beyond a doubt, so I doubt they will get arrested.
and Pittman is already off the team and most likely leaving the campus so actually Urban probably gave the proper reaction when he discovered this. That is all we can ask for. Urban Meyer isn't on a show called "person of interest". He can't predict when these crimes will happen, and neither could Hoke. All they can do is preach no trouble and react when it happens.

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WC Buckeye's picture

Sorry - out here on the west coast, up-to-the-minute intel isn't as readily available. We're in agreement, so there's no beef: the reaction is what is important once the facts have come to light and justice has been served, but this did make me stop and think. At what point does several off-the-field incidents signal a problem with either the kids he's recruiting or the governance of the program? It is one thing to react appropriately and prudently but another to have to do it over and over again. Thoughts?

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Squirrel Master's picture

I did not intend to be snide with my remark. My apologies.

I'm sure there will be a point if reached where Urban would have to reevaluate the players if it reaches that level but I don't think it will happen. Isolated incidents will happen. Plus I know a lot of people put the UF arrest record on him but as I said below, Gainesville is a drug haven and more likely to have players misbehave. Still a problem even after Urban left.

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WC Buckeye's picture

Totally agree w.r.t. UF and FL environment in general. I tend to be a little sensitive to the program's and coach's reputations, though, having seen what happened to basketball with Ayers and football with Cooper in this regard. I don't believe that Urbz will let that happen, but it is worth keeping an eye on. Having kids leave the programs prior to their whips coming down on them could be as important an indicator as the number of arrests (and perhaps even the types of offenses) that happen.

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lljjgg's picture

Thanks for the very thoughtful replies, guys! Both from the resident OSU and Michigan fans.

BROSEPH's picture

TL;DR  College students in large groups make bad decisions.  

lljjgg's picture

3 short paragraphs and a few names is TL;DR? My good man, you do realize this is a blog post and not a Facebook status update, right? haha.

Agree with your synopsis though for sure.

dbit's picture

I'm not sure what the big deal with arrests are....  As a wise man once said "Everyone kills people"

FitzBuck's picture

The only thing that amazes me more than the number of UM fans that actively participate on an Ohio State site is their ability to bring value to a discussion more often than not.

I can't help but wonder if one day all of you will go full on big blue b@tsh!t. Until then I enjoy reading your posts.

UM still sucks (sorry I had to do something to balance the complements just so I could live with myself)

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hail2victors9's picture

I can't help but wonder if one day all of you will go full on big blue b@tsh!t. Until then I enjoy reading your posts.

I wonder that myself from time to time.  But, then, what would I do at work?

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doodah_man's picture

If you look at overall societal crime statistics, on a team with 125 players, the crime stats are inline with what you would expect, 8 - 10 for the sampling size, for either team. Nothing to see here, move along....

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

It isn't really number of crimes as much as severity, people can be arrested for many very minor things.  It's not like acting stupid and drunk is the same as killing or raping someone.

 
doodah_man's picture

Considering the sampled group, it is no surprise that you aren't seeing the severity that you see in society in general. But you still have the basic level and percentage of crime.

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It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

blueinsconsin's picture

I hate these kind of comparisons.  All programs have trouble spots and it's unfortunate and to make this a Michigan vs Ohio State "clean program" contest is stupid.

Not here to troll...Go Blue

lljjgg's picture

My point wasn't that one program is clean and the other isn't. My point was that most programs deal with these issues -- so the OP is actually making the same claim that you are, not the opposite.

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Someone needs to post this on MGoBlog to help them remember their own reality.

 
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