DJ Moving On

Jason Priestas's picture
April 13, 2012 at 12:23p
98 Comments

Last Friday DJ published a thought-provoking story encouraging student athletes to seize the option to go pro when opportunities to do so arise. One line in the story, regarding universities generally not caring about whether students graduate, struck a nerve and the comments subsequently turned into the type of discourse we try to avoid at 11W.

While in a general sense, I agree with DJ's view that many universities put profits above education these days, many of you have an emotional attachment to one big university in particular, and I can see why you may feel that his statement did not apply to Ohio State. Ultimately, his opinion was not the issue -- we pride ourselves on the edge we provide, challenging popular opinions and avoiding the milquetoast analysis you see at so many other sites -- but his reaction in the comments is not what we'd prefer to see out of our writers. Things got heated and DJ and readers alike were insulted and probably felt as if they were being talked down to by the other party.

We thought it would be best to give DJ a little bit of time away from the site and also asked that he apologize to anyone that he may have offended. He decided it was best to part ways, so we mutually agreed to do so. He's given me permission to reprint his resignation letter:

Dear Internet Comrades,

On Friday, an article I wrote devolved into a messy string of ugly internet comments about something entirely different than what I had originally written. There's nobody to blame for it, but me. I humbly accept any and all blame and apologize to those which were angry at words I had arranged on the internet. It was a spirited debate which became (unfortunately) personal to me.

In the defense of my arguments and myself, I crossed some lines. In crossing those lines, I enraged some of the commentariat. I did my best to contain my words and standby the crux of what I was saying, but I'm not going to say I threw a perfect game.

I realize my abrasive ways aggravate a lot of people, and I realize this puts a lot of people I respect in very hard places. The Elders of this site have stood by me through much more embarrassing times than this past weekend, namely when I tried to bullshit a defensive preview like I had so many college papers. Then there was the time I used the word "fagz" in a crunken tweet against Manchester United's team and supporters. (And from those ashes rose @dj11w.) There were countless small factoids I bungled as well. However, I have done nothing but pour my heart and soul into every letter I've typed on the internet. I know it may seem like bullshit, but I have truly tried to choose which arrows I let loose from my sling. Even at my best, I can't do what this site deserves.

I respect you guys and your work too much to jeopardize your quest for credentials any further. The other night, when @hollabucks said I hurt 11W's "quest for legitimacy", I wanted to reply "It's already legitimate," but then I realized I had very little to do with the actual legitimacy of this website.

This stable is much more professional and hard-working than I probably will ever be. I have met most of you, and I have deep respect for all of you. I have been and will continue to be a fan of all of your works.

Thank you for seeing enough in the mangled humanity which is my existence to offer me my first writing gig. I will forever be in your debt and I am sorry for the ill-will which I have created. You guys will be much better off without me.

May Warren G. Harding Save Us All,

Donald J. Byrnes, II

I want to reiterate that we will go to bat for our writers and their opinions, even when controversial. This is an exchange of ideas and there will be some that you won't like. However, we will not tolerate the comments turning into a war zone between writers and readers. If you disagree with a writer's opinion, feel free to voice your disagreement, but do so without ad hominem attacks. We promise to do the same in return.

We wish DJ the best. He is a gifted writer and a wildly entertaining Buckeye fan. And while it's true that we're now staring down a post-spring game party named after one of his favorite words (hello, awkward), he's been invited to come out and enjoy the night with us and we hope he takes us up on that offer.

If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.

Jason

Comments

Scott's picture

Damnit, damnit, damnit. We'll miss you, DJ.

Class of 2008

BrewstersMillions's picture

Aside from the excellent recruiting coverage and thorough breakdown of both Ohio State and its opponents, my favorite part of 11W is the way each author describes the same event from a different angle. DJ's pieces always generated buzz and 11W is lessened a little because of his absence. I still love the work 11W does but I'll miss the work DJ did for this site.

 

Adios buddy. We still have the Twittersphere.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Northbrook's picture

I'm sorry to see DJ go. I always enjoyed his work even when I disagreed.

poop's picture

Good luck DJ and I hope you catch on somewhere else. Things tend to escalate quickly on the internet and this probably won't be the last time it happens on this site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7tgX_Uaqs&feature=related

Matt's picture

Jason, I actually had pondered writing a forum post to ask you to consider addressing the way in which DJ was interacting with his readers, so I'm glad (and not surprised) that you showed good leadership and initative to address this stuff on your own.  I'm sure DJ is a good guy, and I don't necessarily disagree with some of DJ's opinions (frankly, I didn't read his articles because the content didn't interest me) but I thought his clashing style in the comments was not in keeping with how other 11W writers conduct themselves and with what helped make 11W what it is today, which is the premier OSU blog.  Kudos to you for showing the leadership to protect what you have built through hard work over the years.

flipbuckeye's picture

I agree. This was the right move. I remember reading the comments and thinking, "is 11W really going to allow this kind of behavior from their writers?"

Nothing personal and best of luck to DJ, but I'm looking forward to not having to scroll past the huge blocks of text devoted to Warren G. Harding and how bad ass Marion, Ohio is.

btalbert25's picture

He kind of rubbed me the wrong way with his hate for Cincinnati and the State of Kentucky, expecially knowing there are many readers who come to this site who live in both areas.  Especially when he references some link about racism or how poor the state is etc.  I'm not so thin skinned that it lead me to quit reading his work, but I figured something was up when no articles had been posted by DJ all week.  It seemed like last week we got more than our fair share of his Rage Against the Machine.

Anyway, all that being said, it was typically kind of fun to comment on his articles because for people like me it's fun to debate.  It's not good for business though, when a writer is telling readers to stay away or no don't click on his articles.  Oh well.  Best of luck to you in the future.

Denny's picture

I'm looking forward to not having to scroll past the huge blocks of text devoted to Warren G. Harding and how bad ass Marion, Ohio is.

I know I'm making an extremely reductive and coarse point, but I feel like it ought to be pointed out: scrolling past free content is not difficult.

Taquitos.

faux_maestro's picture

True.

Inní mér syngur vitleysingur

Irricoir's picture

I saw this coming a long, long time ago and even made comments directly matching Jason's. The response I got from "certain people" at 11W was, "If you get so worked up over things said on the internet then you will be a miserable person" or words to that effect. It seems that if my tactful and mature comments had been taken a little more seriously this could have been resolved in a different fashion, and he might still be a member of this fine organization if DJ chose to reassess his interaction with the community. I love what you do here 11W but I felt compelled to offer this critique. Good luck to you DJ. You are a fine writer sans the line toeing.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

ThirdLegLouie's picture

Spare me.

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

 
Irricoir's picture

/edit See below

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Jason Priestas's picture

I was the one that made that comment to you because I believe the internet is not worth people getting worked up about. At the time, you were the only one complaining to me via email about what was going on and considering you had spent the previous six months complaining about how our forum had no activity, I felt that was an appropriate response.

Friday was a bit of a different story, with many people upset.

Irricoir's picture

 I didn't call you out Jason or point the finger at you. You exaggerate. I made that comment once. Since the time that I commented about the lack of use in the forums, not complained, it has picked up dramatically. So, don't gage my comment then by the activity now. That has/had nothing to do with the topic of your writers and the way they/he interacted with the readers, which is what I wrote you about. How are you trying to spin this? My exchange with DJ wasn't exactly civil but that exchange wasn't made public on this site for others to read. My letter to you was very professional. How does 11W want to be represented. That's all you should have to ask yourself. I gave you the evidence. I don't know what you did with it, but I see the results.

 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

buckeyefanatic's picture

@IRRICOIR

Hope you warmed up before posting today ... you could really do some damage patting yourself on the back so vigorously.

How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

Irricoir's picture

I don't know what is wrong with you guys. I take no enjoyment in any of this nor am I congratulating myself. I think what I am mostly trying to say is that if someone has a legit complaint, don't tell them to live life less seriously and they will enjoy it more. That was more or less a polite was of saying "We don't give a shit". Then this occurred on a large scale and now it's "something we felt we needed to address". That is all. The administration is as much at fault for allowing this to go on as DJ was. I don't care enough to stop reading the free content they provide. For that I am appreciative. Before I get assaulted by all of the loyal readers, should I not be allowed to critique something just because I'm not paying for it? I still thank this site for all that they do.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture

Gauge.

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture

Thanks Denny.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Brutenley69's picture

I LOVE the video of the dog and kid, that is SOOOO cute.

GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Menexenus's picture

Hard to take you seriously as a bastion of maturity when you use the Sith motto from "Knights of the Old Republic" as your signature.

Just sayin'...  :-)

 

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Irricoir's picture

Don't take me seriously. I don't know you and vice versa. Does the motto have anything to do with the content of my message?

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

bassplayer7770's picture

Best of luck in your future endeavors, DJ.

Nappy's picture

Wow, didn't read the comments on that article last week.  I liked DJ's articles but I think this is the right move.  You cant have the type of comments that that article had.  Too bad. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

RedStorm45's picture

Wow, I hadn't even touched that article and I tried skimming through the comments (it takes awhile just to get through half)...it got out of control pretty fast.  They should have met at a town hall meeting or something, got way off topic.  Thanks for the update as I probably would not have realized or known why otherwise.

BeanvilleBuck's picture

I've only been reading 11W for about 6 months now, but dang, I'm going to miss the comic relief I got from his work, hilarious stuff usually.  Best of luck, man..

"Winning takes care of everything. - Woody Hayes"

Denny's picture

I'll tip a beer out for you this evening, good sir. Cheers, DJ.

Taquitos.

Doc's picture

Good luck DJ. You'll be missued.

"Say my name."

Lincoln's picture

As a Marionaire who escaped, it was always fun to mix my favorite site on the internet in with all the Marion references.

ArTbkward's picture

Best of luck, DJ.  You'll be missed, I always enjoyed the unique, if not always vanilla, opinion you brought to the site.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

buckz4evr's picture

Sorry to hear you are leaving.  Best of luck.  You weren't the only one who did wrong, but you are the one who will pay for it. 

Statutoryglory's picture

Booooooo.  I liked his fire.

Menexenus's picture

I second your "Booooooo."  I think his leaving *diminishes* this website.  He was one of my 2 favorite writers on this site.  If anyone finds out what website picks him up, please let us all know.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

This was definitely the right decison.  Honestly, there were points where I couldn't beleive what I was reading. 

I hope in the very least this can serve as a reminder to keep your wits about you during any conversation here at 11W. (Myself absolutley included) No matter what the subject matter is.

 

We're all buckeyes here let's not forget that.

 

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

bassplayer7770's picture

Well, we aren't ALL Buckeyes...  *looks at M Man, Hail, Rational, and scUM*

buckeyeEddie27's picture

true true, I'm sure they get the jist of what I was sayin though.  Apologies for the non-shoutout.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

Poison nuts's picture

I like your style dude.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

sir rickithda3rd's picture

Losing dj makes me sick. Though it seems he agrees with what happened. Any chance at all he comes back?

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

Maestro's picture

Crap, just reading this.  Keep on keeping on DJ.  I too have resigned from being a staff member on a similar type of website.  It got too personal for me and I was spending way too much time on ultimately unimportant issues.  Regroup and move forward DJ.  Life goes on and you will do good things.

vacuuming sucks

JakeBuckeye's picture

Well this sucks. It'd be fair then to ban the commenters on that thread whom broke the commenting policy with their name calling, which was at least three posters.

btalbert25's picture

Didn't he choose to leave on his own?  That's at least how I read it.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

On his own like Tressel maybe, cuz it is better for 11W's sponsorship/brand like it was better for the school.

Scott's picture

I was kind of thinking the same thing. I might have reacted similarly if people read my work and -- instead of disagreeing -- decided to call it juvenile, ill-informed, anti-establishment bullsh*t.

 

Ultimately DJ made the choice to respond, but some people were really being rude to him for his opinions in the post. Honestly I saw 80% of what he wrote in the comments section as him explaining his stance and defending himself against personal attacks.

Class of 2008

Jason Priestas's picture

I agree with you. We don't want to get into the business of engaging in massive commenting threads, though. If you have to do that to explain your point, it means that you didn't do a good enough job with it in your story or the commenter you're responding to is a) uptight or b) an asshole.

I also agree with what someone said earlier, in that other commenters would have likely come to DJ's defense had he stayed out of it. If an author ever feels like they are being personally attacked by a commenter (which at times, DJ was on Friday), then his move is to delete the comment for violating our commenting policy, not to engage further.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I stopped reading that thing because it became a mess, but I support your suggestion 100%.

faux_maestro's picture

I also support the idea. There were many attacks, it seems only fair.

Inní mér syngur vitleysingur

Jason Priestas's picture

If you were me, who would you ban and why? Link me to the comments if you can. I want to be fair about this, but mediating comment wars is by far my least favorite part of 11W.

William's picture

I'll admit that I got into an argument with DJ on the issue of whether or not OSU cares about its students. There were however no instances of defamation between either of us I think. It's too bad that he has left, he's an extremely talented writer that definitely wrote some provocative pieces. Best of luck to him. 

btalbert25's picture

Honestly, I don't think it would've been so bad if it weren't for the tone.  I love having the last word in an argument and I so I can get in a back and forth with someone forever, but I generally don't like to attack the person or treat them like they are a moron.  There was plenty of that back and forth between DJ and one commenter. 

I didn't  necessarily love his articles because it seemed like he pretty much hated the NCAA, the colleges, the fans, and everything else about college sports.  I wasn't sure why he wanted to write on a blog about Ohio State sports.  All that being said, I still read what he put out and if you look at the comment sections you'll see he always drew a lot of attention. 

klfeck's picture

I couldn't agree more. At times it appeared that DJ was anti-everything. I did not enjoy or agree with almost anything he wrote but I did appreciate his sense of humor. This being his first real writing gig I hope he matures as a person and a writer and bounces back to do great things. DJ is a Buckeye and I wish him nothing but the best. With a little work he may make us all remember fondly when we had him as our lowly blog writer. Like the guy who used to play pee wee football with Chris Spielmen.....

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm not so sure I want to call out names like that, you know what I mean? Kind of tattle tale-ish. I guess its not a big deal about the others, I'm just bummed about DJ moving on and thought maybe in the light of fairness. I can definitely confirm, though, that he was called a prick, spoiled brat, and it was also said that he was PMSing (the most immature one by far, to me.) And as the guy above stated his work was called "juvenile, ill-informed, anti-establishment bullshit." Whatever you do I'm sure its in the best interest of Eleven Warriors. I think I speak for everybody when I say I completely trust and back your decisions.

Statutoryglory's picture

As much as I dislike DJ getting let go I do appreciate that the comments section on 11W isn't just dbags calling each other names for 3-4 pages.

Jason Priestas's picture

I want to reiterate: DJ was not let go. He resigned. I personally would have loved to work something out and kept him on.

willshire58's picture

DJ, you will be missed. It is unfortunate that people/fans cannot accept that OSU is fallible.  

Denny's picture

I think DJ's pointing out of flaws at OSU is one of his greatest offerings; I'm an alumnus, I very much cherish my time spent growing up and learning on campus, but I'm also painfully aware of some of the shortcomings that OSU has both as a learning institution and as a sporting institution. It's not often that we hear these negatives spoken of, and to have that offered (especially in as bellicose a tone as DJ could put it) is good. It's easy to speak in euphemisms and gloss over flaw. Sometimes it's best to have them pointed out and beaten over your head until you can't ignore them.

DJ's damn good at that, and I think losing that point of view will be missed.

Taquitos.

Menexenus's picture

Hear, hear!

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Boxley's picture

Well stated, exactly on point. Thank you.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

Squirrel Master's picture

I will miss DJ. I think the posters should probably try to refrain from being apart of our discussions. If they intend to answer a question, I think that is fine. But don't try to reason with some of us because we can be obnoxious sometimes. If a poster feels there point or opinion is being questioned or they are being attacked, leave it to some of the level headed commentors to defend you. I have no problem defending the posters. DJ can write stories based on his opinion and point of view sometimes, a bit too much, but he should feel no slight at what we say in regards to it. I hate to bring up other sites but you don't see Adam Rittenberg conversing with the commentors on his posts. Probably for good reason.

We are a family of fans on this site but we are human and are prone to idiocy! You have to take our comments with a grain of salt or you will go looney. I love that we can converse with our posters on here but please keep this all in mind. I don't like seeing this happen to any of the 11W staff.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

DJ always reminded me of Bill Hicks in a way. No fear of pushing boundaries with his thoughts and he used humor and sometimes brutal honesty. Regardless, cheers DJ! Hopefully we can stand outside a tailgate again while you smoke a Newport and we can chat about Eric Mangini leaving too early.

OurHonorDefend09's picture

and that was why he was great, just like Bill Hicks. 

 

Anyone up for trying to get him to come back since it appears it was his decision to leave? He reminds me a lot of me and my stances on things. I'd love to have him back.

Don't give up... Don't ever give up.

Baroclinicity's picture

Best of luck DJ.  Didn't always agree with what you wrote, but I don't necessarily want to agree with everything I read.

I did cringe when I was reading the comments of that article last week though.   Didn't like seeing what was going on in general there.

11W staff looks like it's getting pretty thin.  Are we in dangers of losing the daily Skull Sessions?

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Jason Priestas's picture

No. We are bringing on a few new writers (that process was already under way) and we're also bringing on a beat writer soon, so if anything, our coverage will be growing.

ThirdLegLouie's picture

DJ- Much love and best of luck, man. Even if I didn't agree with everything you wrote, I allways enjoyed the flavor you brought to 11W.

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

 
Buckeye Chuck's picture

Too bad it came to this. There were several people in that thread who didn't cover themselves in glory, only one of whom was a 11W staffer.

A foolproof rule of thumb that will almost always keep you out of trouble online: stay on topic, which at 11W usually means The Ohio State University. If you find yourself directly addressing another person rather than the point that person is making, you might be in the danger zone. Avoiding that danger is actually easier to do online than face-to-face, because the time that goes into typing should allow a little space for reflection. Should.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

He was hit or miss with me. Some funny stuff, but you can't be that abrasive towards your readers and expect to remain popular. I guess I felt like it was just a matter of time. Good luck DJ.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Sgt. Elias's picture

Best of luck DJ. I see both sides of the coin and the results are unfortunate. It was a bold move having our own Gonzo-style journalist, and personally I will miss it. On the other hand, a sports blog that draws such a wide audience really does need to tap-dance around subject matter that can cause, what is commonly known on the internets, as "butt-hurt".  Socio-economics, politics, sexuality, religion. All those must be VERBOTEN on a sports site. I know over at EDSBS topics and comments that can drift into the conflict-zone are referred to as "spider territory". You don't want to get put into the spider closet, i.e. a banned. I don't want to use that term here for obvious reasons,but it is effective there as members of the commentariat police themselves quite well by reminding others they are entering "spidery" territory. Mods and staff can't see everything and be everywhere, as a community of sorts everybody needs to pitch-in to keep this place a haven for top-notch sports talk. I know we all come here to get away from the everyday BS. Lets keep it BS free. 

I don't know, perhaps we need to come up with an 11w specific safe-word or term that can be added to the site lexicon. A word or idea that can be invoked to remind folks to keep the topic on sports and away from the hot-button topics we really don't need to touch here. Off the top of my head I could see maybe saying something like, "BuckeyeBro123456, live grenade, put the pin back in", which would eventually be represented by a simple jpeg of a grenade. You see the grenade, get back on course.

Often times people get heated and a simple reminder will defuse the situation. It doesn't need to be a "grenade" of course, I'm just brainstorming, maybe: "You're entering a world of pain , Donny" a la Lebowski (insert John Goodman head.jpg). Or "Don't step in the Ann Arbor". Somebody help me out here.  Am I making sense?  I've always thought this would be a good tool for the commentariat's box. That last thing we want is to swing a large ban-hammer after a tough loss when emotions and blood alcohol content are running high. And things are going to heat up this season just due to site growth and a shiny new football regime. My 2 cents, add-to or critique away. 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

bukyze's picture

I too did not follow the thread, or know anything was going on until today.  Looking back, wow!  If only someone would've been the bigger person, and not taken anything so personal, this could've been avoided.  I didn't always agree with DJ, and he did have an aggressive writing style, so what?  If you don't like it, feel free to leave a comment, but move on (DJ as well).  I will really miss the $10,000 Presidential Power Parlays, and reading about Warren G Harding's cocaine binges and "shifting the wombs" of trollops.  Best of luck!

VestedInterest's picture

As a long time reader of this Sage's (you know) stuff, not just here but elsewhere, I've come to recognize and understand the dichotomous style and abrasive tones he uses to evoke thought. I'm twice his age and find it humorous that others didn't see it. While I understand as he does, that this site probably shouldn't tour down that path (that being one of heated back and forth banter), pointing out flaws and engaging in otherwise unpopular thoughts in regard to what we've all come to love commonly in Ohio State should not be back burnered and all together untread upon. Balance and objectivity is what we all should strive for as forward thinkers, no matter how sour the taste, lest we be blinded by pure faith.

This isn't a lesson learned by one damn party here, there are two sides to the coin. My hope is that 11W finds the testicular fortitude to occasionally breach subject matter that DJ did with as much conviction as he. We may not like it, but we deserve it.

 

Good luck DJ.

Poison nuts's picture

I remember reading the story DJ wrote about the SEC Europe Solution which brought out Catch 5 & Amos (2 Bama fans here on 11W) for about 100 comments worth of pure entertainment & fun. I even got involved in a back & forth digital war of words with one them just because he was so pro SEC & Alabama & that it begged for a debate by simply being here. That was the thing - DJ could really get a rise out of people with his brash opinionation (is that a word?). He was not scared & didn't seem to cater to those whom might be offended by any of his given stances. I personally loved DJs writing style...even while the articles as of late became similar in theme and more & more jaded. I don't know about everyone else here but I like some variety while reading my internet stories.

While reading the comments to Fridays story, it became obvious that things had gotten out of control fast. I couldn't even read the comments after a while with the boxes getting so thin. I had a strange feeling that I was reading DJs last article. As I scrolled through all of it, I was a little shocked that he was engaging back as he was. Argueing with hyper opinionated blog fans seems like a losing battle... may as well be content to know having some haters is a good thing. Too bad & good luck DJ... & rest assured you have plenty of fans here.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

VestedInterest's picture

Tapped a comment or two o those as well lol.

Menexenus's picture

I'm really bummed about DJ being gone.  No one can spew Michigan hatred from the depths of his soul like DJ can.  I'll miss him the most during Michigan week.

I really hope he gets picked up by some other website...

Real fans stay for Carmen.

deadbuckeyeinthelake's picture

i see the   two that cause the most damage  never  said  anything  about him leaving?

 

"Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!"

pcon258's picture

I will certainly miss DJ for helping me come to grips with the fact that tOSU is not perfect. its a tough nut to swallow, which is probably why emotions ran so high on that thread. I dont necessarily blame DJ for what happened, sometimes our temper gets the better of us (luckily on this site, the average IQ is much higher than at espn, so its much more rare). 

I have all the respect in the world for DJ, it takes a real man to acknowledge your mistakes and move on. 

This is a good point for all of us to try to keep things in perspective on the internet. Its often too easy to rip someone apart and call into question more than simply their argument, when we can't see their face. Let's hope we can use this as a jumping off point to continually improve the discourse on this site. 

go bucks!

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

It's a damn shame DJ is gone.  I really enjoyed his work, and very often was able to relate to his perspective.  Strangely, the article that spawned the controversy within the commenting - that was my favorite piece of his.  Some people didn't like it, and that's fine.  People are entitled to their own opinions - they aren't "right" or "wrong", they're opinions.  Debates get heated.  It's human nature, and every now and then we need that reminder to be respectful of others' opinions.  I don't think it necessitates DJ moving on from the site, but since he feels that it's best for him, I can certainly respect that, and I wish him the best of luck.

I do agree that we need some kind of "spider" code.  Muskrat?

Class of 2010.

ThirdLegLouie's picture

I agree for the most part. I feel like 11W could have continued with a "Chill Out" directive to DJ, behind the scenes, and simply continued on.

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

 
Irricoir's picture

Umm yeah, you are saying the same thing that I said above yet you wanted to be spared. Pfftt... can't believe I wasted the time commenting on ya.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I think he's referencing the fact that your comment was basically a different way of saying: "HAHAH I was right! If only you had listened to me!" Perhaps he didn't get the point of your comment. Would you be better at running Eleven Warriors? Or was your comment merely to subtly gloat about being right about something a little while back?

Irricoir's picture

It is impossible to read tone in text. In no way is there anything to laugh about in this situation. There is no way that I felt a person "Losing their job", paid or unpaid, is a laughing matter. That thought never entered my mind. The fact that I was more or less told to "Deal with it" because I singularly had a concern about the interaction that was taking place kind of bothered me. Then collectively you have multiple people complaining about the exact same thing, and now action is taken. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, as it should be, but if action was taken back then maybe it wouldn't have evolved into what it did. DJ's articles weren't my flavor but that did not mean the kid didn't have talent. Que in the fact that this is a free site and if I don't like something don't read it comments. I personably believe that regardless of opinions there are ways to converse respectful and every difference of opinion does not need to be met with sarcasm and cynicism. It's about treating people with respect regardless of the situation. BTAlbert and I often share a difference of opinion and communicate just fine. I have also been drawn into verbal jousting by others and in reflection interacted with them poorly. Just because there is no personal accountability behind the keyboard doesn't give one the right to tear another down. That comment isn't a parting jab at DJ as it is a description of many commentors on this site. Overall it is a great community but there are those who feel the need to elevate themselves with humor at the expense of other folks.   

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

TheHostileDwarf's picture

Very well said, Irricoir. Some people simply can't disagree without being disagreeable (even in this thread!), and that is unfortunate.

Scott's picture

I think the worst part of all of this is that -- after re-reading all of the comments -- I don't think either of them were right or wrong; they just had different views on the topic.
One person believes a company is great because they create jobs or do philanthropic work. Another person thinks the company is terrible because they pollute or because they put a local mom-and-pop out of business. Both sides make valid points, but they may never convince each other of anything. I just wish it hadn't gotten so out of hand.

Class of 2008

Sgt. Elias's picture

I wish he wouldn't have taken the bait from some of the comments. It's Intertubes 101: don't feed the trolls. Now, I also understand why people would disagree with some of his posts, it was his nature to stir the pot a bit. I guess I just thought it was always unwise policy to engage in a back and forth with a writer on a site that wasn't mine but to each their own. Again, I understand this goes both ways.

If something online bothers you, just say to yourself "well, that's BS in my opinion. But whatever. I'm going to be an adult about this and choose to view something else/go outside/eat a Coney dog/punch the wall". I also feel his sense of humor flew over the head of some folks or just plain rubbed them the wrong way. Not much you can do about that. Some people can deal with it, others can't. Once the author breaks the 4th wall and gets heated too, well, we see what happens, and it's unfortunate.

Let the unwashed masses (us commenters) hash it out. And if someone gets out of line, then a mod or staff member can step in and simmer things down. If somebody refuses to simmer down, be prepared for the time-out corner, or I suppose, finding a new blogging gig. I would like to remind people to not take the internet too seriously, it will add years to your life. We should all use this as a coachable moment and strive to not make the same mistakes in the future. Go Bucks, and go 11w.  

Also this, for a bit of levity. 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

FortMeyer's picture

If everyone could only keep in mind that in the opinion game that is 11W, it is not winner/loser.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I like interaction from the 11Wstaffers and like it when they comment on other staffers' stuff. I also like it when they respond to comments on their own posts. Wish there was more of it. Hopefully this incident doesn't stop that from happening more often....

NW Buckeye's picture

Jason, I was not going to comment on this, but after reading some of the comments I thought I would offer my 2 cents.  First of all let me say that I am not surprised that DJ is moving on.  Many have described his articles as "thought provoking" and well written.  They may have been, but they were often very acrid.  It takes a special person to pull off that particular writing style without provoking acrid comments.  And, if the writing does inspire the readers to take offense and respond the writer should view those comments with a grain of salt.  It seemed that DJ delighted in taking on the opposing views and inciting the commenters into heated debates.  Once a staff member crosses the line of civil commenting you can really not hold the posting readers responsible for the debate that ensues.  His knee jerk articles invoked knee jerk reactions - it really is that simple.  And to engage in debate on the type of subject matter that DJ attacks is certainly a recipe for what happened last Friday. 

I love 11W and the fact that I can come on here and be immersed in tOSU athletics (mostly football and basketball).  And, although I know that college athletics is not perfect, it is still the center of my sports passion.  DJ, although a passionate Buckeye, liked to point out the seedy side of the NCAA.  His articles seemed to push a "take sports out of college" attitude that I found weirdly amusing posted on a site that promotes college sports at tOSU.  That style is offensive to some people, and I can understand why. 

Last Friday's article was one of the first by DJ that I have actually read in a while.  He turned me off to his style when he started bashing Title IV and responded childishly to some of the commenters who took exception to his opinions.   However, I just felt like reading the article when I scanned the first paragraph.  The only reason that I was glad that I read the article is that because the next item posted on 11W was Deshaun Thomas saying he was staying for another year.  Oh, the irony!!! 

And, irony is the best word to describe DJs work here.  I mean you have a readership that gets giddy talking about 16, 17 and 18 year olds deciding to come tOSU and play for the Buckeyes.  And, there was DJ telling us the college athletics are crap, they have no place in college in the first place and would be better run like the prep soccer leagues in Europe, and that our little heroes should take their money and run and not have any allegiance to their college because no one there gives a rat's ass about them.  Am I the only one who can see the irony in all that? 

So, it really does not surprise me that DJ has moved on.  I wish him well, but I, for one, will not seek out his prose on other sites.  If I want negativity on college sports I can get that from yahoo sports or any number of other sites that likes to tear down college athletics. They are numerous and easy to find.  But, a site devoted to tOSU Buckeyes that encourages civil discussions from it's readers is pure gold.  You have a great site here, Jason.  Keep up the good work, and don't lament the occasional hiccup along the way. 

Irricoir's picture

Well written and intelligent response right here. Good job sir.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture

And, irony is the best word to describe DJs work here.  I mean you have a readership that gets giddy talking about 16, 17 and 18 year olds deciding to come tOSU and play for the Buckeyes.  And, there was DJ telling us the college athletics are crap, they have no place in college in the first place and would be better run like the prep soccer leagues in Europe, and that our little heroes should take their money and run and not have any allegiance to their college because no one there gives a rat's ass about them.  Am I the only one who can see the irony in all that?

I made a comment up above that sort of touched on this, but I don't see these two viewpoints (being excited about college athletes/high school recruits vs. being frustrated with the system in place) as being mutually exclusive. Personally: I love the university, watching the university athletes play the footballs and the shootyhoops -- but I'm also fairly wary of the NCAA as an institution and find grown-ass men following high school recruiting to be a really sketchy thing in general. I see no conflict or incongruencies between these two opinions, and no reason that there should be any. 

There's room within a journalistic entity to have differing viewpoints from the majority of the entity's opinions (see: George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and Kathleen Parker writing for WaPo), and reporting differing viewpoints does a service to a readership -- we don't need to freebase pure naivety and optimism all of the time. There's no irony in DJ having written his opinions for 11W that I see.

Taquitos.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

+1,000. I found DJ's writing to be exhausting, and I can't say that I ever read one of his posts from the first word to the last word. Having to use a chainsaw to cut through snark kind of takes the fun out of 11W.

Bucks's picture

Wish you well, DJ. Disagreed with you plenty good sir but absolutely respect you and at times was thankful someone would be the one to take a stance I agree with. Looking forward to any future updates on your next writing endeavor.

 

DJ Byrnes's picture

Man, this is way too many words to be spilled on my behalf, lmao. I appreciate the love (and the hate), but don't worry about me. Marionaires have an uncanny ability to land on their feet. 

I will continue to read/comment at 11W. Barring my death/imprisonment, I was always planning on stopping by the Spring Banger a week from tonight. This move was the best for everybody involved, but it ain't nothing but love for me torwards 11W.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

VestedInterest's picture

I was hoping you'd remain in some capacity, doesn't matter whether on staff or not.

buckeyeteach's picture

DJ, just read about your resignation. This fellow Marionaire will miss your prose. Not a frequent commentor, but a daily reader of this site who thoroughly enjoyed your work. Best of luck.

Boxley's picture

Conside this as just another "life" lesson as we all do while we meander through our daily mundane activities. Let it be a motivator for you to become better and happier with whatever path you choose to go forward from. There were no innocent parties in this recent debate, and in reality only one person was harmed by it. That person is the only one that can control how they move on from it. 

Do not let this get you down, use it to move forward. You do have a great deal of talent in writing. Writing well, being able to put onto paper (electrons) words strung together that impart so much emotion, so much more than the daily drivel we see eleswhere is a gift. You have it.

 

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

osumastro's picture

Unfortunate... DJ was my personal favorite writer at 11W.  It's a shame not everyone left "being offended on the internet" back where it belongs: in 1996.

LABuckeye's picture

DJ, I think you should restart the Jack Kellogg for President blog. I'm serious.

WildMan Leather and Lace's picture

I certainly disagreed with many of DJ's opinions and often skipped reading his articles altogether out of my percieved notion that he was using this website as a bully pulbit for his own agenda and not that of covering Ohio State athletics. But that being said there is no denying that he was a very talented writer who had strong opinions on collegiate sports and other social issues.  In my opinion his greatest contribution to this sight was the line " Warren G. Harden was and is subdued swagger".  Anyways, even though I, personally, was not a fan of DJs work I wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors and am sure someone with his talents will not be long in finding another opportunity. 

Bucksfan's picture

I just noticed this.  I want to apologize to the 11W community.  I was part of that discussion and I recognize my fault in the matter.  I can be just as abrasive as DJ, and that's probably why we clash.  I will try to do better in the future.

flipbuckeye's picture

Ooh, another fight!

Ugh. Is it football season yet?

741's picture

I missed the whole thing.