Just a thought...

Elika's picture
October 12, 2012 at 12:05p
77 Comments

Whether it's been for Across the Field, Across the Court, interviews for my other articles or roundtables, or booking guests for the Dubcast, I've reached out to others countless times and asked them to generously give their thoughts and their time to this site.

NOW: This is not a site rule, but rather a suggestion from me, personally.

It's not uncommon for someone who has done an interview for this site to come over and check out the final product. It's also not uncommon (or unexpected) for many of you to have opinions on some of these often-polarizing guests, or the publications or networks they're associated with. It would be nice if perhaps some of you thought twice before posting at-times incredibly rude (and frankly, completely irrelevant to the content they've provided to this site) remarks in the comments.

We do not pay these guests, and many of them don't need to do interviews with us for the publicity... they do it as either a personal favor to me, or to this site, so we can read or listen to different perspectives. I don't expect all of you to love Desmond Howard, Chris Leak, Dennis Dodd, etc. But I would hope that you would appreciate the opportunity to get more than the ideas that we as 11W contributors can offer you ourselves. If you have issues with things guests have said in the past, I would urge you to not give 11W, or the Ohio State fanbase for that matter, a bad name by feeling the need to call guests douches or whatever else you may decide in the comments for a post they've generously given their time to us for. It's 2012. You can find other ways to tell these people what you think, in what I would still hope would be an appropriate, relevant manner.

None of the guests has said this to me, it's just something that makes me cringe every time I read it about someone I reached out to and asked them to provide their insights. If you disagree with something they've said in the article or dubcast, that's cool... I have no problems with mentioning that. But if you've ever witnessed someone be rude to someone else in your home, then perhaps you understand what it feels like for me to read childish, close-minded name-calling in the comments. That is all. The choice is yours.

Thanks,

Elika

Comments

Earle's picture

Well said, Elika.  Commenters should feel free to be passionate about the Buckeyes and their opinions, but a little civility goes a long way.

Italics are for emphasis.

TMac's picture

You wouldn't think it would be necessary to suggest thinking about common courtesy before you hit "save", but it is.....
Thank you for doing so.
 

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Here here. Could not have been said better.

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Justanut's picture

Thank you, Elika! 
 

PierogyJim's picture

Elika,
While I agree with you, I think your sentiments are naive. Have you read the comments section on ANY Espn, CBS, SB Nation, etc sports site? Or more broadly, have you read the comment section on just about any online news publication?
There are horrible, horrible trolls who demean and insult everyone. People who would never say such things in real life but because this is the internet can say whatever they want.
Frankly, the comment section at 11W is tame compared to most and you and the 11W staff should recognize that. I am also sure ANY guest you interview already realizes there is a significant internet Troll population where ever you go. 
Your attempt is well placed but isn't going to have an influence either way. Keep up the good work though :)

rdubs's picture

I think 11W has gone out of their way to foster this sort of close knit community that doesn't just reflexively bash each other for no particular reason.  This plea from Elika is just another good example of their efforts.  
Now, we as members of this community have the opportunity to police ourselves with down votes.  I know that I, for one, will be attempting to identify the types of comments that Elika is referencing and down voting them without remorse.  This community can be as uplifting as we want it to be, and it is obvious that the 11W staff badly want it to be just that.  

buck-I.8's picture

So because other people are dicks, we're somehow burdened to be dicks also? We have a small amount of free will in this situation, I'd think. 
At risk of sounding like a UM grad, we should hold ourselves to slightly higher moral standard than the OSU fans at other sources, that widely give us a bad name. Does it not matter to anyone else that to be contrarians to the trolls, we can actually grab a larger amount of aggregate respect as far as national image? 
If she was saying all OSU fans should be classier, that's naive, yeah. But she's addressing a microcosm that has historically proven itself as being the most respectful. I don't think it's unreasonable to continue to do so.

avail31678's picture

Regardless of what a guest may or may not already expect, it still makes Elika's (and other writers') job easier if we're courteous in our opinions. 
I understand your point that the internets and some poeple are what they are, but if her post gets even one person to take caution in their wording, then I think the post was worth it.  I definitely agree that getting as many interviews and points of view as possible on this site is a good great thing. 
(I wasn't your down-vote, by the by...and hopefully this response is received as a respectful one, as my intent was for it to be so)

Denny's picture

"The hell with trying to be the best, just try to be a touch better than a cesspool"

Taquitos.

Elika's picture

Jim, I see your point, but my sentiments are hardly naive. I'm well aware of what goes on elsewhere, and what our guests may expect. What I'm simply saying is the fact that a couple comments that go beyond disagreement with opinions put me, as the person who asked these people to give their time, in a bad spot. As an example, and I'll use this guest because I don't specifically remember anything said about him... I reached out to Chris Leak, and asked him if he would be willing to do the 11W Dubcast as a favor to me, mentioning that I'm sure Ohio State readers of this site would likely really appreciate his thoughts on Urban Meyer. If you all don't love Leak, that's fine... you don't have to. If some readers disagreed with what he said in the podcast, also fine. And feel free to state that. But there's no need for stuff like "OH, GOD! CHRIS LEAK?! WHAT A DOUCHEBAG!" Get my point? Yes, other sites are worse. Much worse. That's not the standard I thought we hold ourselves too. And you guys can feel free to say what you like. I made it clear this isn't a site rule- or even a site suggestion- it's a suggestion from me, the person who looks like an ass when people on here act like an ass. That is all.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

PierogyJim's picture

Great reply and explanation and I do see your point. I would hate to see a few bad seeds ruin it for the 99% of us who rule. Sorry for calling naive :)

LouGroza's picture

Elika, your concern for others feelings is refreshing, whether professional or personal. You seem to be getting that same pissed off feeling that is felt when a child in their early teens disrespects someone you least want disrespected because they can. Most are able and willing to bring understanding to that scenario as well as yours. The folks you are most concerned about protecting are most certainly seasoned and accustomed to such internet hinged attacks. Although that doesn't lessen your zest for letting it be known how you feel, at least take some solace in knowing that in most cases it is all understood and forgiven. And there will always be a thirteen year old at every turn. Peace.

cplunk's picture

This site's commentary has always been better than ESPN, CBS, etc. It would be great if it can stay that way as its gets even more popular.

Squirrel Master's picture

I partly agree with Pierogyjim, when reading many other sites, 11W is very tame in the comments field and rarely has the trolls that can come out of no where. Not to mention we can't forsee what a troll might say, we can only do our best to follow your lead Elika.
With that said, I will be happy to do my best to not only refrain from said insults to our visitors but also watch for those who may send those insults. Agree or not with gentlemen like Dodd, Howard and Leake, it still looks poorly on us for not showing respect when respect is the best course of action!
With that said as well, just don't let Mark Mays on here! I can't promise anything then!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Poison nuts's picture

Yes Squirrel - if Mark May shows up as a contributor - sorry, but all bets are off! I have a feeling that we will never have to worry about that one...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

buck-I.8's picture

Remember also, it makes Elika look bad when she does a discussion post with a guest, and then a post for which she is responsible gets peppered with negative remarks about that guest. 

penult's picture

It's not the negative remarks it's the rude remarks that she seems to have an issue with. At least that's how I read her comments, and the way I would hope it would be. If you want to be critical, I don't think that should be an issue. However, be civil and courteous. Yes, it is sadly a lot to ask for on the Internet, but this site seems to be capable.

Elika's picture

Agreed... I have no problems with disagreement with things that are said. I would just like to think it's beneath this community to dismiss an interview with a guest (admitting they're not reading or listening), while insulting the guest. What's the relevance? Where's the class? I'd just hope we're better than that, and could show some respect.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

penult's picture

Absolutely. Comments treat each with respect in these forums 99.9% of the time ( at least it seems that way to me). So we should be able to treat guests, who are also people, with the same respect. And I'm not judging, I can't recall seeing anything too outlandish, but I don't read all comments. If you disagree with a guest, do it respectfully or do it elsewhere.
Also, I do appreciate the guests you and the staff bring in, even the ones I disagree with. It's another great feature of this site.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

As one of the perpetrators I'll say this.  
There are few things that make my blood boil and turn off my reasoning skills faster than reading a sports article I completely disagree with.  Especially if it's about The Buckeyes. 
                                                           ~but~
Elika makes a good point. 
So, I will make a concerted effort not to post Knee-jerk (or just plain jerk) comments about articles and their authors who fall under that category. Especially if they have been cool enough to work with 11W staff. The last thing I want to do is cast 11W and buckeye fans in general in a negative light.  
So there you have it.   I'm a new man. There's a new Thurgood Jenkins today.
It's 10/12/12 1:35pm and michigan still sucks.   That is all.
 
 

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

buck-I.8's picture

Your point resonates with most of us fans, I'd think. But the column wasn't "here's (insert pundit), take his opinions as gospel." It's just a discussion, no one is burdened to agree with opinions. 
It's like watching last night's debate, and getting upset that they're letting someone else than your party rep. discuss issues. It's just recourse, we can read it, think about it and then move on.
 

Elika's picture

Thank you, Sir. :)

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

PierogyJim's picture

Thanks @Squirrel Master!
Of course I wasn't implying that we as a community shouldn't continue to improve to be even more thoughtful than we already are, all I was trying to say is the commenters on 11W are pretty damn savvy and polite as far as commenters go in general.
@RDUBS
I totally agree with using downvoting as a poling tool, but already people are using for the wrong reasons. I already got downvoted simply for stating my opinion, which is NOT what the downvoting is meant for. I wasn't being insulting at all. I hope it doesn't turn into that.
@Buck-I.8
I think you misinterpreted what I wrote, because your reply isn't really relevent to my sentiments. WHAT I SAID was, basically, what more can she expect? We are already one of the best, most thoughtful, and one of the more savvy commenting bases out there. While there is ALWAYS room to improve, I think we are already pretty awesome compared to ESPN, MGOBLOG, etc etc etc! 

buck-I.8's picture

Maybe I didn't represent myself clearly enough. I meant that I dont think we should put a ceiling on ourselves and say, "well we're better than this site, so let's be satisfied and stop here." 
Seeing your second post makes your first one more clear to me, and let be clear in saying that we're on the same page, I just don't think it's naive to think that the disrespect to guests can stop.

Poison nuts's picture

Not to get off topic - but your point that down voting is already being abused is spot on. I have seen down voting on completely reasonable, civil comments & that someone obviously disagreed with & down voted...hope that doesn't get out of hand...
To stay on topic - I like this site because it already is the most most civil/intelligent OSU site I've ever found - but there is always room for improvement & the cool thing is that I'm sure this request from Elika has not fallen on deaf ears.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

One Bad Buckeye's picture

I will down vote thee with great vengeance and furious anger.... J/k I didn't down vote you. I don't push that button unless some is being a complete d-lord. 

"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."

Poison nuts's picture

I think I've personally not had too many - but in all seriousness - I see others getting it for really trivial stuff..when it should be reserved for only the complete d-lords.
Edit: '...and you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my down vote upon thee.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Squirrel Master's picture

Sure. I think your comment was taken a bit out of context. I saw that you were trying to stand up for 11W commentors in that we are different than most general sites. I love coming to this site because of the understanding my fellow commentors have. Even in the occassional disagreement, its still civil to a point and actually makes for a compelling argument. As opposed to some sites that are absolutely dreadful and you can get into a 3 year olds argument!
I think the word nieve might be a heavyhanded word. Hence the disagreement.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

PierogyJim's picture

I can see where naive might appear heavy handed, but really, does Elika not know how bad things can really be? If you were to go to ESPN right now and read the comments of any of the front page articles it would be more disgusting and insulting than anyone here.
You are right, I am sticking up for 11W commenters, and of course I am not trying to insult Elika either.

Squirrel Master's picture

God I murdered the word Naive. Brain fart!
I am sure Elika is pretty aware of ESPN as I'm sure most of us are. Some of us might even be the more level headed individuals in there trying to discuss something when a blowhard comes a knockin!
I think Elika's point is taking into account those sites and just asking for some respect even if the attempt is futile!
I got ya!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

theDuke's picture

pfft. content providers? what media outlet needs that!?

theDuke

PierogyJim's picture

You are totally right Buck-I.8, and perhaps I took what she was saying as something a little more critical than what she meant. I thought she was implying that we ARE rude to many guests and we need to cut back if this site is to continue getting access to good interviews.
All I was trying to say in saying she was naive was we aren't THAT bad compared to everyone else

buck-I.8's picture

I'm quite sure she was addressing this week's across the field article, in which some commenter's were quite rude in addressing Mr. Jacobi. He isn't the Bleacher Report by himself, and though he may not be the greatest source of anything, he follows the Big Ten, and he's views aren't entirely unwelcome just because of his employer.
That being said, even if we don't like his work, are we going to suddenly take a stand against all fluff journalism? It exists, some people like it. If others don't, it's their choice not to read, rather than abuse the contrary speaker. I think this is what Elika was keying on.

PierogyJim's picture

I don't think the comments are as critical as they would be at any other major website, they just aren't really that insulting. 

btalbert25's picture

Doesn't Elika work with/for Bleacher Report now???? No one is bashing her for being part of Bleacher Report. 
 

Elika's picture

It wasn't about Adam, or anything to do with B/R. I've seen it for over a year now. 

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Elika's picture

My point was certainly not meant for the masses. I just didn't want to call specific people out, that is all.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

PierogyJim's picture

I see that now, makes sense

BucksfanXC's picture

Some of us have strong opinions. That combined with the anonymonity of posting behind a username on the internet, from the safety of our computers, provides for an oppurtunity to say mean, out-of-line, hateful things to people. I try not to say anything on here that I wouldn't say in person to that person's face. Sometimes, honestly, I might call someone a douche straight to their face. However, it is far often the better choice to take the high road. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. I understand you concern, and this is your house and they are your guests. We should all try to be respectful. We aren't Colin Cowherd and therefore won't be getting more views for saying mean, stupid things that no one can really agree with.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

johnblairgobucks's picture

do 11W Moderators get to see who is casting up votes and down votes?   Just curious, because the above post has a down vote, and I don't see where it falls under the guidelines for a down vote.  Maybe I'm not educated enough to know why it should have been down voted,  however, maybe the Mods could send a warning out to perpetrators of unnecessary down votes.
Really not a big deal, I realize, because it is all in fun, but if a system is in place, the rules should be followed, not abused.
I'd LMAO if this post got a bunch of down votes.
Go Bucks!

Bucksfan's picture

I up-voted it.  How come you didn't?

johnblairgobucks's picture

because I'm watching Rocky 4.

Poe McKnoe's picture

That's actually a good reason.

Poe McKnoe's picture

I was thinking about downvoting you, just for the hell of it.
JK
Sorta.

Jason Priestas's picture

Yes, we can see who votes on what. The comment you're referring to likely received downvotes because it has nothing to do with this thread.

Poe McKnoe's picture

It would be nice if perhaps some of you thought twice before posting at-times incredibly rude (and frankly, completely irrelevant to the content they've provided to this site) remarks in the comments.

My comment was only completely irrelevant, not incredibly rude.  Just trying to lighten the mood in here.  It's the Internet.  You'll never control every comment, nor should you get bent out of shape about a comment on a message board.  I agree with Elika's overall sentiment that contributing Buckeyes, visitors (and contributing visitors) be treated cordially...until they are outed as trolls then off with their heads.

klfeck's picture

If the person is a polarizing figure disable the ability for readers to comment on that article. That's really the only realistic solution.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

Elika's picture

This wasn't posted as a significant problem that needs a "realistic solution." My apologies for asking grown adults to act as such.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

klfeck's picture

My apologies for offering a realistic solution without any snide comments or attitude. Hope you fell better soon.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

Bucksfan's picture

So, it's okay for Ramzy to dedicate wildly popular posts to thrashing Kirk Herbstreit, Dennis Dodd, or whomever has slighted Ohio State in irrational fashion in a public forum, but it's not okay for 11W fans to do it in a comment section?
Not getting what you're putting down, Elika.  Sorry.

Elika's picture

Ramzy can write what he likes (not to mention that his thoughts are researched, well put together, and simply more than close-minded name-calling). You can write a blog writing what you like. I'm asking for readers of this site to consider showing respect to me, and people I ask to give their time to this site, by refraining from using interviews, roundtables, and dubcasts as an outlet to call those they're not fans of immature names. There are other outlets for that, if they must.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

tampa buckeye's picture

Got to say I tend to agree with the Dodd comments.  Ramzy is the best writer on this site hands down.  

ohiowhitesnake's picture

Co-sign! And that picture is Epic...Kenny fucking Powers

Elika's picture

A) Clearly you have a life. 

B) That's not a comment Ramzy made on an 11W post that I may tweet a link of to Dodd with a thank you for sharing his insights with 11W. Is this seriously too difficult a concept for you to grasp? Or are you just taking issue with a request that people consider being a bit more polite because you're bored?

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Bucksfan's picture

Now who's being rude?

Elika's picture

Me. Because how are you still not getting my point?

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Scott K's picture

Now THAT is funny! (Ramzy's Tweet)

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

ohiowhitesnake's picture

Most of what Ramzy writes is researched and insightful IMO.  He seems to have a sarcastic way of viewing things/people...which I, and many readers enjoy.  Calling Chris Leak (who kicked our a$$) a douchebag, and similar comments, is middle school at best! I think thats the point of this post.

Bucksfan's picture

http://twitter.com/ramzy/statuses/227500951202852865
And by the way.  I'm not calling out Ramzy for saying these things or suggesting he's wrong to do so.  Ramzy, I love you, and you make the world a more logical and colorful place.  Please never stop doing what you do!  I'm just saying Elika's sentiment is a gross double standard regarding those associated with this site in any way...and in-as-much makes no sense to me.  If you're not familiar with the musings and rantings of writers on this site (which can range from G-rated to R), that's one thing.  It's quite another to take exception to the word "douchebag" on the internet.

ohiowhitesnake's picture

Those are tweets! Not post on 11w, which is what this is about. His handle is Ramzy not ramzy11w or something along those lines. Now if he tweeted a story on 11w then made those comments I would understand. And if you're not calling him out then why link two tweets. I just go back to the original post....lets keep it classy buckeyes! OH

Bucksfan's picture

Wait, I'm confused.  Everything Ramzy ever said about Dennis Dodd on this website had to do with things Dennis Dodd tweeted - which Ramzy then posted directly on 11W, and not necessarily what Dennis Dodd writes in his columns or said here in an interview.  I linked the tweets to illustrate that the nonanonymous writers of this website do what they do, both on this website and off.  (It was not to call him out.  It's called a supporting argument.)  It is not always necessarily in the best taste.
Most importantly, I can't even find the comments about Chris Leake or Dennis Dodd that Elika is referring to.  I went back to the Dubcast comment sections (btw, Dubcast is probably the least-commented-on addition to 11W...unfairly, I might add) where Chris Leake or Dennis Dodd were the guest, and any comments calling him names were either not posted there or removed anyway.  There were people more upset with Dodd, but it's not like they were out of line considering Ramzy's column about his Tressel tweets that EVERYONE on 11W read.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/09/14104/eleven-dubcast-sandwich-day

ohiowhitesnake's picture

Good sir can we agree to disagree?  I don't like Buckeye on Buckeye crimes.  I understand your points, but I have been an 11W reader from the early days, so I may be a little defensive.  Can we agree to hate scUM and beat IU this week.

Bucksfan's picture

Can we agree to hate scUM and beat IU this week.

Does this answer your question?

Bucksfan's picture

And Johnny, as an aside...when the hell are we finally going to get Richard Lewis on the Dubcast?

NW Buckeye's picture

11W is a unique blog.  There are quite a few members on here who really don't fit the mold of your typical social blog poster.  When comparisons are made to ESPN or (insert site) comments, it really is not comparing apples to apples.   I am not saying the posters here are better than other sites, we, for the most part, are just different.  Think about it.  I would guess that most bloggers here would delight in showing up at ETB once a year.   And, who wants to show their face if they have been a complete d-bag with comments directed at other members or guests on this site?  I seriously doubt an ESPN blogger ever seriously considers coming face to face with other bloggers. They seek recognition through their posts, and it seems the more absurd their stance, the more reaction they invoke.  It is not that way here.  That's why many of us keep coming back.  The information presented by the staff is both interesting and informative.  And, you can engage in discussions about your favorite team without some troll lambasting every word you write. 
The up/down voting is something that we will all have to get used to.  Other sites encourage voting for or against a comment because you either agree/disagree with the content.  Up votes here work the same way (you really agree with what is said or how it is said), but down votes should only be used for someone who is violating the commenting policy (being a troll, obnoxious d-bag, or other verbally degrading others on the site).  We will all get used to it.  Let's just keep in mind Elika's suggestions when reacting to guests invited here by the staff.  And, if you call them out with nasty names expect the down votes to accumulate!!!! 

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Do we have any restrictions on Kirk Ferentz jokes? I'd like to keep making fun of him for being B1G Coach of the Year for life.

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

741's picture

This is one of the most interesting threads of all time on 11W.

toad1204's picture

Well said Elika.  Hope the new up/ down vote might will help quell some of the issues.  Question.... If someone gets enough down votes can try be banned from posting altogether?

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

Bucks's picture

Well said.

OSUBias's picture

It was a simple request for respect. She uses personal relationships to get people to do these interviews, then they read the comments calling them dbags or idiots or whatever. Think about that scenario happening in your professional life for a minute before you rise up in anger to defend your "right" to say derogatory things to/about people on this site.
Honestly, the fact that a simple plea for some polite behavior has garnered such polarizing comments is a little alarming.

Shitter's full

Elika's picture

Thank you!!!

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Scott K's picture

I agree.  It's just a simple request to keep things respectful. Is that so much to ask?
I for one love getting/reading outside opinions on teams the Bucks are going to play.  And I love to disagree with many of their opinions.  However, calling someone a douche, especially on the internet, means you yourself probably are a douche.  Kinda of an anti-touché douche moment.  Plonk. 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel