I always thought the SEC was a Conference.... Has it morphed into something before unseen?

dzig's picture
June 1, 2013 at 3:59p
63 Comments

I always understood the SEC to be a Southeastern Conference, an American college athletic conference whose 14 member institutions located in 11 states, are primarily in the southeastern part of the United States.  A growing and strange phenomenon has occurred over the last 7 years.  Now at games you can hear the chant of "SEC SEC SEC" being screamed at the top of their lungs even when the opposing teams are in the same conference.  This is something unique to that conference.  The two teams playing could be at the bottom of the standings both within conference and national polls, but they still try to make themselves nationally relevant by cheering their conference.  Are they cheering because they haven't been asked to leave? Or are they cheering because 4 teams in the SEC have been successful enough to win consecutive National Championships over the past seven years?  Do they now live vicariously through, what would in any other conference, be their most hated rivals?  Perhaps getting steam rolled year in and year out by the heavy weights of the SEC provides them with a sense of entitlement to the crystal balls that Florida, Auburn, LSU and Alabama have been talented enough to win.  Those four schools and their fans earned the right to call themselves the best.  The support for them should have been sung LOUDLY for the entire year, but only by their fans, not the rest of the conference, well maybe the commissioners' office as well.  The other 11 teams in the conference who've won nothing must feel they have done their part to get a sliver of associative glory.  Their claim to fame is being used as cannon fodder for the previous champions.  Do you think the coaches and their respective staffs were cheering "SEC SEC" at any game or any time after for that matter?  I do not understand the "We helped get you there by getting are asses kicked by you" mentality.  So in honor of those glorious losses, they cheer conference before school in hope that the power schools will appreciate them.  Then they can claim to be good and cool too. (Just pay no attention to their irrelevance and they'll cheer even louder)  Is it SEC syndrome?

My personal opinion on competing against rivals in our conference is that I never ever Ever EVER cheer for another conference member.  I love the rivalries we have and the (measured) hate and contempt that goes with it.  There is simply no way imaginable I would ever cheer for another member of the Big Ten conference, especially if they were to win a championship!  The thought of the team up north winning a National Championship, which would HAVE to be our expense, is HATEFUL to me.  I laughed hard when Bart was getting his backside handed to him the the Rose Bowls.  His tears and facial contortions were like love to me.  Even seeing the skunk weasels get completely BLOW OFF THE MAP by Alabama in the early season game in Dallas was cause for an enjoyable evening of drinks and laughing, mostly at Brady Hokestone's expense.

So I pose these questions to you all.  Has what was once the exception, now become the norm?  Are conference rivals becoming chummy with those they they wouldn't pee on if they were on fire, to create a harmonious love-in of the conference?  Is this communal love-fest an inbred aberration of the SEC (which would explain a lot) or are all of the "power" conference fans now choosing to advocate their conference as whole over the traditional support of one university?  If your team was to get steam-rolled year in and year out, would you adopt the theory of "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" philosophy?

My personal opinion:

I would rather slam my testicles in a drawer than ever wish victories for the skunk weasels in the piss and blue.  I want them to FAIL at everything!!  I would not cheer our conference name "just to be associated in the same group" with them, EVER.  The only thing we ever want ttun for is, to use them as the doormat they are, to wipe their bullshit from our shoes.

Comments

OSUinFl's picture

UI don't understand Tenn vols fans they root for all there arch rivals in  bowl games. I can't rember  the last time they had a winning season. They don't understand why top recruits pick Bama,auburn,Lsu and Florida.  They try to take credit for Miami of Florida and Florida. State. they think those there teams also.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Tennessee fans amuse me.

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Big ups for this post.  Excellent.  I 100% agree.  It's kind of pathetic - programs like Tennessee think they're more relevant than they actually are because they're in that conference.  I swear, the SEC has maybe one or two more great teams than the other conferences...and their best teams have gone on to win the title in each of the last 7 seasons.  It's a testament to those programs, not just the conference that they're in.  Nick Saban (regardless of what you think of him) and Urban Meyer are tremendous coaches.  Cam Newton was a hell of a player.  LSU, well, got lucky that 2007 was a clusterfuck of upsets. 

Class of 2010.

tdible2132's picture

This is certainly a very interesting topic.  I don't typical love a lot of what Colin Cowherd says, but I thought he made a great point the other day when I was listening to his radio show.  He said that what makes any conference, division, league, etc. is the power of the top.  Nobody really seems to care about depth or how bad the bottom feeders are, but rather how good the top teams are.  Clearly that applies to the SEC, as outside of UF/ALA/LSU/AU, no other team has won a national title.  I personally don't think a team like UT or UK for instance has anything to brag about, because they have absolutely nothing to do with the national perception of the SEC that has developed recently. 

BME_Buckeye's picture

I'm ambivalent in regard to your statement. A lot of people forget that just because Tennessee is down now doesn't mean they aren't good. Remember, this is a team that won the first BCS national title in 1998 and was good until Fulmer retired. History shows us that Tennessee is the second best SEC team behind Alabama. I think they have a right to boast and stick out their chest in an absolute terms for contributing to the SEC dominance, not in respect to the last seven years but by adding to the number of national titles won by the SEC. Now granted they haven't been good these last couple of years under Kiffin and Dooley, I agree with your statement in a relative term, "they have absolutely nothing to do with the [relative] perception the SEC has developed". Most of this is probably due to the fact that since their 1999 BCS title, they are 3-7 in bowl games.* 
Note sure if this make sense at all but if they are going to be chanting SEC on the backs of their rivals, they probably should be whispering it given their program decline and lack of contribution to the SEC omnipotent image.  
*I've enjoyed their decline and I hate Vol fans but this moment and this moment something I'll never forget. 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

and was good until Fulmer retired

They were 29-21 his last 4 years(5-7 in his final season). That's not exactly anything to write home about. 

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

tennbuckeye19's picture

FYI: Make no mistake, Fulmer was forced out. He did not voluntarily retire. He did not want to leave UT. He was extremely bitter about it, especially when he was replaced by Kiffin. 

OSUinFl's picture

Fulmer mistake was to bring in a new Oc and change the terminology.. The reason the sec schools stay good when  they lose a coordinator  the terminology stays  the same .

Catch 5's picture

So your argument is that if you removed the top 1/3 of the SEC they aren't very good? Well, what happens when you take OSU, Mich, Neb, and Wisky from the B10? I think I'll take GA, A&M, and uSC over Penn St, Mich St, and NW. Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss St, and even Vandy now have all made more noise the last few years than Indiana, Illinois, Minny, Purdue, and Iowa. I'll grant you that KY bites, but no worse than the bottom of most conferences. Also, Maryland and Rutgers don't look to help you much either.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

OSUinFl's picture

In the future Texas am not bama will rule the sec. I heard Saban is scared with the recruits am can get out if Texas.

Catch 5's picture

Ha Ha

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

OSUinFl's picture

Texas a m is 1-0 against bama in the sec. Saban hates spread offenses he was so happy Oregon got beat last season. He loves the boring running  of the sec.

billy04's picture

Yep yep. The dude who won 3 of 4 MNCs and is dominating recruiting is pooping his pants with fear.

OSUs12-OH's picture

I heard the same show.  He's exactly correct...it's a top-heavy conference.  It's not as great as many want to perceive it to be.  Are the top teams good, well of course.  With Bama's 3 NCs in 4 appearances is nothing to shake a stick at.  But the others aren't what you'd call powerhouses despite what anyone says about the past (Tenn, Ole Miss and even Miss St was better than they are now).  We'll see if they can get any better in the next coming years.  Tenn and Ole Miss have a chance if they don't commit any more violations.  Auburn cheated no matter what anyone tells me....and they got away with it.  Nothing like being in ESPN's back pocket yeh???  World Wide Leader in promoting SEC dominance....with piles of $$$$ backing it all the way.

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

dzig's picture

I forgot about Auburn In my blog. 4 teams have carried the conference. fixed

"all men are created equal, it's just that some are MORE equal than others"

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Yeah, they're easy to forget, considering their coach got fired two years after their title...haha
 

Class of 2010.

OSUs12-OH's picture

Bc they cheated....

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

OSUinFl's picture

You saw what Louisville did with a spread against Florida. The crazy thing Florida had the best defense in the sec. Bama didn't not have there typical dense.

tdible2132's picture

Also, take a look at how the SEC teams did in bowl games last year outside of Alabama.
NW 34 - Mississippi State 20
Clemson 25 - LSU 24
NC State 24 - Vandy 38      -->  Turnovers killed NC State as Mike Glennon had 3 INT
UM 28 - SCAR 33                -->  Really close game that easily could have gone to UM
Nebraska 31 - UGA 45        --> A closely fought game until UGA pulled away late
Louisville 33 - Florida 23
Oklahoma 13 - TX A&M 41  -->  OU = overrated as usual & TAMU was very good
Pitt 17 - Ole Miss 38  -->  Doesn't mean much/ was a crap game
 
Conclusion:  I think this shows that outside of Alabama the SEC wasn't all that much greater than the rest of the conferences last year.  UGA almost knocked off Bama in the SEC Title game, yet Nebraska played them tough and we destroyed Nebraska.  Louisville beating Florida looks very bad.  LSU lost to a good but not great Clemson Team.  Northwestern handily beat Mississippi State.  All in all, I don't think the SEC was dominate last year over the rest of CFB even though that's the perception because of what Alabama did to ND.  When you really think about it though, how good was ND?  They beat a bad USC team, and Oklahoma team that was clearly overrated, a Stanford team that was pretty even with Wisconsin and we beat Wisconsin, a hard fought battle against an 8-5 UM team.  My main point is that ND got all the right breaks and it led to them going undefeated, but they weren't a truly great team by any means.  All in all, the SEC may in fact be coming back down to earth.  We'll just have to wait and see how things play out this season.  Something tells me the streak may be ending though.
 
 
 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Not to mention that every one of those bowl games was played in a state that's part of the SEC footprint. The only bowls where the SEC team didn't have the decided home advantage were the Cotton Bowl (Arlington is a neutral site for an Oklahoma/A&M game) and the Chick-Fil-A Bowl (where Clemson arguably had a minor advantage over LSU). 
There's a reason the SEC was eager to graft the playoff onto the existing bowl system--it works for them.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

BME_Buckeye's picture

 

I think this shows that outside of Alabama the SEC wasn't all that much greater than the rest of the conferences last year.... I don't think the SEC was dominate last year over the rest of CFB even though that's the perception because of what Alabama did to ND.

I agree with your statement but with the world we live in sports operates like binary code and less like history only taking account for the results of the game and not the path to get there. No one is going to remember Michigan near victory over South Carolina, only the final score and skull crushing hit by Clowney ,lol. Nor the close game by the Huskers only for the defense to let them down to get picked apart by the Bulldogs and Aaron Murray. Yet, even when college football fans see the path it took for teams to dethrone and beat these SEC in bowl games writers will only point to the win or loss column. Basically teams just aren't getting it done and these close wins belie the dominate image of the SEC. 
The SEC will come back down to earth; its only a matter of time before the ball bounces the other way. 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

Jhesse17's picture

That gives the SEC a 5-3 record and a 2-1 record vs the B1G. That is not good for us.

OSUs12-OH's picture

The conference USA had a better bowl record then the SEC.  I personally hate how every year ESPN brings that up that tB1G had a horrible bowl win ratio.  Who cares what it is??? Notice this year only the B1G got brought up with a 2-5 record and how bad that was but not a word about tSEC.  Coincidental????  I think not!  And that article I linked isn't saying anything negative...imagine that.  Only that Bama is the best.  Which we already know...
A direct quote from the article...wanted to puke after reading it.

" Still, the SEC went 6-3 (.667) in bowl games, including Texas A&M's 41-13 rout of Oklahoma in the AT&T Cotton Bowl, and Georgia and South Carolina downing Big Ten teams. Only the WAC (2-0) and C-USA (4-1) had better winning percentages, and neither had nearly as many bowl teams. So is the SEC down?"

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

Maffro's picture

Is this communal love-fest an inbred aberration of the SEC (which would explain a lot)

 
Yes. A part of me believes that it's an effort to make sure what happened in 2004 to Auburn never, ever happens again. And to that end, it's been wildly successful, as we're at the point now where it'd probably take extenuating circumstances for even a one-loss SEC champion to be left out of the title game.
That said, people who cheer for a conference are idiots, because yes, ultimately you're taking pride in the accomplishments of your rivals. There are no ifs, ands, or buts around this fact. I was in Montgomery last year and I had an Auburn fan tell me "six in a row" as if it didn't bother him one bit that the team he hated the most just won its second title in three years. I can't get down with that.
Sure, theoretically I want Big Ten football to be good, if only so the quality of the games I watch is high, but ultimately, I did not graduate from the Big Ten. I graduated from The Ohio State University, and that's the only school I care about. While I will never root for Michigan, I do hope that they finish every regular season 11-1 (as far as bowls go, I hope they lose championships and Rose; otherwise, whatever) because I never want The Game to cease being the greatest rivalry in sports. Beyond that, whether the remaining 9/10/12 teams in the conference finish 5-7 or 9-3 literally does not and will never concern me at all.

Hovenaut's picture

The day is coming, hopefully soon. Remember when Miami, remember when USC, etc, etc...

Hopefully UFM and company have something to do with it.

All these SEC blowhards are going to have to find something else to latch on to.

Hate Week runneth over

OSUinFl's picture

I can't wait when the sec and there top teams end up with 2-3 loses. Uk and vandy will be lucky to make it a bowl game. Mike slive might not be around when they go to the 9 game schedule he would be 75.

Catch 5's picture

Mafro is dead on - and I think most of you would change your tune were OSU to be left out of the title game because the B10 was seen as not challenging enough. The talking points in 2004 (yes, by ESPN too) was that Auburn didn't prove itself because the SEC was weak. This mantra continued the next couple years as Florida was not #2 until late in the year forr the same reason. The chant emerged as a response to this. It is not cheering for rivals, but pointing out the strength of the whole to the detractors who didn't wamt to give the SEC its due. Now that they are viewed as the dominant conference, you don't hear it as often.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Bucksfan's picture

SI's Stewart Mandel had an interesting statistic a couple of weeks ago.  In 2012, the SEC teams that were not ranked in the top-10 went 0-30 against the 5 SEC teams that were ranked in the top-10.
It's a top-heavy league.

dzig's picture

And I bet the 0-30 were the ones yelling SEC the loudest.

"all men are created equal, it's just that some are MORE equal than others"

Catch 5's picture

Similarly, the B10 teams that were not ranked in the top-10 went 0-8 against the 1 B10 that was ranked in the top 10. Also, the 4 B10 teams ranked in the top-25 went 24-1 against the teams not ranked. Is the B10 also top heavy (just with a smaller top)?

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Bucksfan's picture

Do those teams that lost the 24 games scream B1G! B1G! B1G!?  No.

Catch 5's picture

So correct me if I'm wrong, but your argument is that the bottom of the SEC - which isn't any good - are the ones most often chanting SEC even though they haven't done anything to earn it and in fact are worse than the bottom of other conferences. 
But the the only time you see fans chant SEC is when they win a big game like a bowl game or sometimes a big OOC match-up - so these teams would be simultaneously celebrating a big win while annoying you because they haven't had a big win?
 

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Bucksfan's picture

You see South Carolina fans doing it against NC State on a Thursday night in August.  If you call that a big win, then there is something wrong with you.  I've heard Mississippi State fans call into radio shows saying the Bulldogs would go undefeated in any other conference.  We heard 6-6 Florida fans doing it after the Gator Bowl against 6-6 Ohio State.  I've seen countless stories here of Buckeye transplants in Nashville, Atlanta, and other southern cities that say the same thing about fans from Vandy, Ole Miss, etc.
Quit looking at the world through your own personalized SEC sunglasses and start paying attention.  I can't edumacate you about how your conference comes off from a blog thread.

Catch 5's picture

OK, so your two examples of teams "abusing" the SEC chant are two of the teams that were ranked in the top ten last season.  I'd say both uSC and Florida have done enough to brag a little - even in a down year (and quite frankly, any win over OSU is a big win would you not agree?) 
 I also hear pompus B10 fans calling into talk radio with their chests pumped out for no reason.  That is the nature of sports fandom (and talk radio in general) is it not?  While it admittedly grows quite strong in the South of late, it is certainly not exclusive to the region.
What am I supposed to be paying attention to?  That's why I'm here - to get a different view on many topics and occasionally offer my own.  While most of my encounters here are decent, there are some who are convinced that everything outside of OSU is evil/cheating/lucky/overrated etc. and will downvote any comment I make regardless of content.  I assure you - I'm getting a fine education as to how the SEC is viewed.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Bucksfan's picture

I'd say both uSC and Florida have done enough to brag a little - even in a down year

Really?  Has USC ever won an SEC title?  Have they ever gotten a BCS at-large berth? Has Vandy?  Has Mississippi State?  Have they ever won a big bowl game?  When was the last time Ole Miss won the SEC?  How many FCS teams and 2nd-tier opponents have SEC teams lost to in recent years?  Remember Alabama getting shredded by Utah in 2008?  Or losing to Louisiana-Monroe at home in 2007?  I guess we don't worry about things like that.  Why?  How many BCS national titles does Georgia have?  When was the last time Georgia won a BCS game?  How come Georgia couldn't beat Boise State at home 2 years ago?  Sparty took care of them, though.  What exactly are these teams doing other than beating up on the lowly SEC also-rans and losing to the SEC powers like Florida?  Beating Clemson?  Beating an FCS team in November?  Just talking really loudly?  What?  We know they aren't really playing anyone of note other than Clemson in their nonconference schedule.
There are just as many negatives that we can point to with the SEC as there are in any other conference in America.  Yet, SEC fans ignore all of that, and brag about the SEC national titles.

LexingtonBuckeye's picture

I hear it a ton in Lexington for UK fans. They puff out their chests screaming SEC even when the team goes 2-10. The reason I hear the most is that it helps recruiting. The logic is that fringe players will come to the SEC (even UK) to play against the best. There may be some validity to that, but I don't think it warrants cheering for rivals. But who am I? Just a Buckeye in Lexington.

Bucksfan's picture

But it goes beyond that, Lexington.  When you bring up the fact that SEC fans "cheer for their rivals," typically they will emphatically deny it.  Alabama fans will claim they have never cheered for Auburn in their lives.  They don't seem to recognize that by bragging about 7-straight national championships, that that is exactly what they are doing.  They're cheering for Auburn.  They might say, "I was happy for Auburn because they're in the SEC, but I hate them more than you hate Michigan."
It's literally impossible to convince them otherwise.  They just don't seem have the sensor that should go off every time one is being internally inconsistent.

Catch 5's picture

You all know that I'm a Bama fan.  Yes, I pulled for Auburn in the '10 championship game.  I don't hate Auburn.  I want them to do well every year until they meet Bama.  I don't really cheer for them, but don't really hate them as I have too many close friends (and a wife) that are Auburn fans - but I know plenty of guys that do.  The only team I truly hate is Tennessee and I couldn't be happier the last few years with them struggling so. 
That said, I can't imagine feeling that way toward every member of the conference.  It would be like being in a club where you can't get along with anybody, but you stick around and pay the dues every year anyway. Why are you there?  Take LSU.  I come and go with them.  They have the most obnoxious fans, yet I can't help but love them for their sheer passion - and respect the team for their talent every year.  The stronger the conference is, the stronger your team will be.  Not just in the views of the polls, but on the field - as the old adage goes:  iron shapens iron.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Bucksfan's picture

Lexington, you always come across guys like this, too, who always claim, "I know people who are like that, but I'm not one of them."  Okay, guy.  Whatever.

"Yes, I pulled for Auburn in the '10 championship game....I don't really cheer for them."

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I can't imagine cheering for M*chigan or any othe BigTen school to win it all. As much as the "SEC" chants annoy me, I still cheered for Bama(well, them or a meteor) to win when they played M*chigan.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

OSUinFl's picture

They have no life. It hard for them to realize why top recruits pick the top 5 schools in the sec and not there schools.

Catch 5's picture

Allow me to clarify. I wanted Auburn to win. I had a vested interest in that outcome in that my previously mentioned wife would bbe happy, so I was pulling for them. I was not, however actively cheering for them. If they had lost, I would not have been terribly upset but neither would I have been happy about it.
Sorry for the confusion per my seemingly conflicting statements.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

LexingtonBuckeye's picture

Another thing I thought was absurd, was when UL won the bball championship this past season. UK fans kept saying "at least it's staying in the state", except it went to their biggest rival!!! Makes no sense to me. Seems like the latching on to winners is very common among the natives.

dzig's picture

I am correcting you because you are wrong that my argument is comparing the bottom of conferences. Actually you missed my point completely. Let me spell it out again...

What I said I found to be something unseen before is the fact that any team would cheer their conference name at the top of their lungs when they've played no part in the national championship run OTHER than be a doormat for the 4 teams that won it all. I also said as a fan of THE Ohio State University I'd be damned if I ever cheer Big Ten. Not ever would I do that. I find it funny, no scratch that, I find it pathetic that they cheer the conference. I know that you will never see an OSU fan cheer for ttun, ever, and vice versa. If that were to happen you might as well bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. The world had ended, they're spreading salt in hell, cats and dogs are playing together and anarchy is the rule of law.

Don't cheer for your hated rival in an attempt to make your team relevant by association...

"all men are created equal, it's just that some are MORE equal than others"

Catch 5's picture

What I don't think you understand is that the origin of the SEC chant is not bragging about the feats of others as you portray, but a response to the way the SEC was viewed before. Auburn was left out of the NC game in 2004 if you recall. The explaination for this was that OK's B12 schedule was much tougher than the weak SEC schedule Auburn had played. The conference as a whole was portrayed as weak and not worthy when compared to the other power conferences. The chant was a response to this as a way to put an exclamation point on signature wins. It worked.
Sure, it has outlived its purpose and I understand the sentiment of fans like you, but to dismiss it as bragging by just the bottom of the conference or by teams that didn't earn it is not quite the real story.

While I get the hatred you all have for Michigan, I don't get why that goes through the whole conference. If OSU is not in the championship game, would you not rather a B10 team win it?

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Bucksfan's picture

If OSU is not in the championship game, would you not rather a B10 team win it?

F*CK no!

dzig's picture

No. I have one team I cheer for, that team is tOSU. I am the same on the pros. My Cleveland Browns have been a joke since they left for Baltimore. But I still cheer for them, and with equal vigor, despise Cincy, Shitsburg and the purples browns of Baltimore.
It must be a major geographic difference. I've never heard anyone in the B1G cheer for a conference opponent. I'm sure (outside of the state of Michigan) they're wonderful decent people but I'm not cheering for their teams, ever

"all men are created equal, it's just that some are MORE equal than others"

Catch 5's picture

so do you not watch other football games? Who do you cheer for when OSU is not on the field? It seems prudent to pull for the teams that your team is aligned with does it not? That is borderline cheering against yourself by association. What good does it do your team if the B10 is viewed as weak? Like I said earlier, you won't likely get it unless you realize that the way the conference is viewed has a direct impact/on the way OSU is viewed.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Baroclinicity's picture

I cheer for underdogs before any conference affiliation, but that doesn't mean I never cheer for another B1G team.  In the end, I think whether Penn State beats Virginia or not won't have much to say against where Ohio State is headed bowl-wise.  I think it's overblown.   It was funny when Penn State lost to Virginia.  And Ohio U.  I laughed.  A lot.
And I know a UK guy (from high school) who constantly boasts about the SEC, even though UK has very little to do with their success.  I find myself constantly reminding him he doesn't get the glory of Alabama when they win it all. 
I'm sure there are scenarios we will need some other B1G school to win a big game to help us.  I will cheer for them.  Otherwise, burn, baby, burn.  Except for NW... it's hard to hate them.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Bucksfan's picture

Believe it or not, Catch5, it is possible to watch sports without cheering.  It's what grown-ups do.

dzig's picture

Was just going to say the same. I watch sports all the time for the love of the game. When my team isn't playing, it doesn't matter to me who wins. That doesn't mean I love the game less. I refuse the SEC line of thought that I need the perception of our conference to validate my team. Yes we've lost some games but we've also won quite a few. I'm good with standing on our own merits.
 

"all men are created equal, it's just that some are MORE equal than others"

Catch 5's picture

This is interesting.  I like watching the NFL, and don't really have a favorite team, but it in no way compares to college football to me.  I fear you may be missing out on the experience, or maybe I'm too obsessed, take your pick.

I refuse the SEC line of thought that I need the perception of our conference to validate my team ... I'm good with standing on our own merits.

I have no doubt that you need no further validation for your team.   OSU will always be a great team in your eyes.  But how about the eyes of the polls (or upcoming selection committee)?  The merits of your team depend on how strong its competition was.  The B10 has historically been favored in the media and the polls, but that has changed over the last few years, and in fact it is now viewed as down.  OSU is believed to be a very good team, but the rest of the conference is weak.  What do you think happens last year if OSU is not under the bowl ban?  I don't know, but it would have certainly been possible that they get passed over for a the 1-loss SEC champ because of the weak B10 compared to the champion of a conference that had won 6 straight, and had 4 or 5 teams in the top-10.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

dzig's picture

What do you think happens if Oregon and ND go undefeated?  What if tOSU doesn't have a bowl ban?  Why deal with hypothetical situations?  The facts are that tOSU was banned from a bowl.  Oregon didn't go undefeated and the NC game was what it was....  I can't change that and I'm not concerned about it.  The B1G is perceived by the "experts" to be weak.  Whether is it or not doesn't matter.  If the B1G is so weak and it makes such a dramatic impact on how the rest of the world views tOSU then why are the Buckeyes being placed within the top 3 in all of these "experts" preseason polls?  Why rate them so highly if they face nothing but weak opponents and are surrounded by mediocrity?
I'm sure you're correct with your point about conference perception and it's effects on national prominence, but there are teams within the ranks of the NCAA that can stand on their own.  Ohio State is one of the perhaps 15 schools in the nation that can transcend conference strength and be recognized as a premiere program.  I would also agree, as much as it pains me, that Michigan is another team that has that ability.  Those are the only two in the B1G that I can honestly say that about.  Look at the other conferences, its the same thing.  The SEC is the same whether or not they want to admit it.  They have Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia and maybe Auburn to include.  The Big 12 has Texas and Oklahoma, the PAC 12 has Oregon, USC and Stanford.  The ACC has Florida State, Miami and Clemson.  By mentioning those teams above I'm speaking of the "traditional" power programs.  Every single one of those programs has has their fair share of ups and downs, but as a whole they can be counted amongst the most consistent programs in terms of success.  There are always surprise teams that have a good couple year run but can't do it consistently.
But what happens when a team gets upset?  Why does your perception theory have any added weight when consideration for the playoffs come around?  On any day any team can beat another.  Perhaps not realistically but a win/loss is not predetermined.  So if a team has a hiccup and losses a game to a foe that perhaps they shouldn't have why is that loss considered inconsequential because the other team is obviously inferior?
Some years ago the New England Patriots were the greatest team in the NFL, on their way to an undefeated season.  The strangest thing happened though.  They lost the Super Bowl!?!  Well I guess that shouldn't matter though right?  They were obviously the better team, EVEN THOUGH THEY LOST.  Yet...  I don't recall the Patriots raising the Lombardi Trophy, yeah wait, that was those other guys from NY that got to...even though they sucked.  You're right.  We should all just watch the SEC and see who comes out on top and appoint them National Champions.  Unless there are two teams in the same division that are better than the rest, then lets wait until after the futile SEC championship is over and take those two great teams and let them play again.  Or better yet tell the other division champ that they're just not perceived to be as good a team and will be replaced by the second place team in this other division.  Thanks for the fish...
For what it's worth Catch 5.  I'm having a good time debating this with you, even if you are an SEC fanboi  :)

"all men are created equal, it's just that some are MORE equal than others"

NorthernOhioBuckeye's picture

I can't speak for the others on this board, but when a B10 team is playing a non-conf opponent and that team is not scUM, I chear for the B10 team. (When scUM plays Notra Lame, I cheer for injuries. lol) I also cheer for all B10 teams in the bowls (and sometimes that even includes scUM. Especially when they play Fla in Lloyd's last game. Not sure why but at the time I hated Fla even more than scUM). 

But the one thing I would never do is chant a B10 cheer while tOSU is having a bad year and one of our rivals is contending for NC. I would be the biggest fan of the other team that was playing at the time.

Haybucks's picture

The reason Auburn was not in the 2004 MNC was they sucked in 2003 (5 – 3 SEC, 8 – 5 Overall) and was fairly ranked in the preseason as a good but not great-looking team.  They climbed fast and furiously in the closing weeks of the season, but not enough to pass Oklahoma.  Besides, who can say they would have beaten So. Cal that night.  USC looked stronger than anyone and even the pro-SEC NCAA would not gift Auburn the title after the Bush scandal, although they could take back the 2010 crystal. They should quit belly aching and move on!

You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. - Irish proverb

 

USMC11917's picture

Have to admit that I pulled for Carr to beat Florida in their bowl game that year. I did this silently and guilty like. On subject, when you feel like a loser you look for things or ways to make yourself look better. The south as a whole has always adopted a victims mentality. This has been the one shining moment for them on the national stage and they are going to ride this horse until it goes lame. When your team sucks and is riding low you can always claim that you were beat by a better southern team and that team will beat your <insert team> here. It's a territorial thing and a pride thing and they flat out care more about it then the rest of the nation minus Ohio.
When Alabama was rolling low under Mike Shula, they were talking about how great the south was and point at Fullmer-Meyer-Miles and even Tubberville
Now Auburn fans claim how great the conference is even though they have contributed nothing to it (Newton's year exempt) they point out how great is Richt-Spurrier-Miles-Saban
There is always a successful team here to hitch your broke ass wagon to. That team will always carry you because the south must stick together to prevent being oppressed once more by the rest of the nation. It is territorial pride. Honestly, that is one of my biggest draws to College football. I live in Bama but where my Buckeye gear proud and when we win it makes me miss home that much more. I know our players come from all over but a large portion of the team comes from "The heart of it all".

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Upvote for you kind sir. semper fi.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

canzior's picture

I would argue that rooting for your conference as a whole is more beneficial to each individual school.  It's short-sighted to wish all your conference mates to lose games. Perception is reality and losing bowl games, close or not, makes the entire conference look bad.  In the end, even if OSU was eligible last year, they wouldn't have made the title game because the perception is that they beat up on a weak conference. 
Look at it like this: You don't want to be the fastest in a race, because everyone else is (perceived as) slow.   
 

OSUinFl's picture

Lsu will be down this year very thin on flash can't go 2 deep.

OSUinFl's picture

I  have heard big rumors slive  is pushing  very hard for stipend for sec atheletes.

acBuckeye's picture

It's b/c SEC blowhards like ESPN created the mythical "conference vs. conference" competition by constantly comparing league performance against each other to see which is better. 10+ years ago, this didn't really exist, and if it did, it was on a minor level. The BCS is also to blame for this b/c trying to figure out the top 2 teams in the BCS standings required "analyzing" who played the tougher schedule if multiple teams had the same record.
Thus, since the SEC kept winning, their fans caught on to this silly idea of success by affiliation.
It's all quite absurd, and kind of amusing. I admit, when it all first began, and the B1G's decline (people forget, in the 90's and early 00's, the B1G was really good) coincided with the SEC's rise, along with all of the media BS that came along with it, I could say I somewhat cared about how our conference was viewed as a whole. I caught myself pulling for other conference members in non-conference games...... this was around 2007-'08.......
But then I soon realized that I really didn't care what everyone else was doing. I didn't care what the media and other fans thought of the B1G, or even about Ohio State (well, in most cases.) All I cared about was how our boys in S&G were doing, whether we were going to win all of OUR games, and WHO we were going to kick the s*** out of next.
I also remembered the Florida State's of the 90's, and the Miami's of the 80's and 90's and Woody's teams of the 70's who played one or two tough games a year, and they seemed to do alright for themselves. Strength of schedule matters..... but it doesn't matter as much as people think it does.

OSUinFl's picture

One Thing I i know if your play  Georgia it has to be within the first 3  games of the start of season. They always have players suspended. They have one for the Clemson game so far.

AJW_16's picture

I think this whole phenomenon boils down to the "regionalization" (yes, a made-up word) of college football. Part of this is media-driven - it is easy for media outlets that televise football to advertise football to a region - but a lot of it is historical as well. Anyone who has been to the south knows that they take incredible regional pride in being "Southern," and so it becomes quite easy for Vanderbilt fans to boast about an Alabama NC because, in their minds, that is a source of regional pride.
My dream - in the 4th quarter as we are drubbing Alabama 49-3 in the NCG, and big sign that says "You lost - get over it" (with a red "X" through a confederate flag) appears in OSU section of the Rose Bowl.

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you."