Is this the Worst defense in the past 10 years?

Buckeye777's picture
November 30, 2013 at 5:32p
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I believe yes it is. We need changes to our coaching staff on the D side of the ball.

 

Did Akron or Connecticut give up this many yards to Michigan>?

How does this look going forward into the Big 10 Championship game in Indy?  Does this give unwanted confidence to MSU?  I believe they will put 9 players in the box and force Braxton to beat them with his arm.

 

I will make the prediction Big 10 championship stats:

Hyde 76 yards rushing 1 TD

Brax 43 yards rushing 1 INT, 2 TD

 

We win 21-17

 

Your thoughts?  I see the Defensive backs looking around confused much of the time, and when a player makes a catch they are looking at each other as if " I thought you had him"....

I think there is alot of confusion and it looks at times like there are 2 different defenses schemes going on a different times, we need much much more pressure on the QB, can't give them time to throw when we are in the

zone coverage just not working, players are not in the correct assignments.  I see some quality plays on the offensive side of the football but remember it is defense that win Championships.  I will relish in the WIN over the next 364 days!  :-)

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the begining of the season Game 1 through Game 2, everyone in the BIG 10 said that MSU has a great defense but the offense is HORRIBLE.  I remember everyone saying that through the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season.  I saw the same, no rushing offense, poor line for pass blocking, and nothing was working offensively for Sparty....What has changed they have emerged as a B offense, rather than the F they started out as.  They have progressed worked hard , corrected things, and have become a very well balanced offense. leaps and bounds from where they were at the begriming of the season.  Ask yourself WHY?

 

Answer: GREAT COACHING!!!  They made changes, developed to their strengths and progressed in their weaknesses.

Our defense had question marks in the beginning of the year, but have they progressed at all?  They have digressed if anything; they look more uncomfortable tackling, playing defense than I have ever seen them, and that includes week 1 of this season...

Great coaches .....COACH!

Go Bucks!!!!

 

 

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Buckeye777's picture

ok, on a positive note..... Go Bucks 24-0!!!!!
 
Yea... i  don't want to offend any of those so called all positive peeps!  :-)
 
How about a little TRUTH mixed in once in a while, sure doesn't hurt ot debate it or get some thought son it.... Competitors always win, and are never satisfied~!

Buckeye1

Buckeye777's picture

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the begining of the season Game 1 through Game 2, everyone in the BIG 10 said that MSU has a great defense but the offense is HORRIBLE.  I remember everyone saying that through the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season.  I saw the same, no rushing offense, poor line for pass blocking, and nothing was working offensively for Sparty....What has changed they have emerged as a B offense, rather than the F they started out as.  They have progressed worked hard , corrected things, and have become a very well balanced offense. leaps and bounds from where they were at the begriming of the season.  Ask yourself WHY?
 
Answer: GREAT COACHING!!!  They made changes, developed to their strengths and progressed in their weaknesses.
Our defense had question marks in the beginning of the year, but have they progressed at all?  They have digressed if anything; they look more uncomfortable tackling, playing defense than I have ever seen them, and that includes week 1 of this season...
Great coaches .....COACH!
Go Bucks!!!!

Buckeye1

CptBuckeye24's picture

I do not understand how the coverage is so soft.  I rarely ever see bump&run/press coverage.  It is not like the deep ball is a pressing threat.  I'll  take that chance in 1 on 1 coverage 40 yards down the field.  So they throw bubble screen because Roby and Grant are 10 yards off the line.  They play so far off the ball.  I would have thought this would have been corrected as it is the 12th game of the season.  I saw this time and time again.  They did not correct this. 

NCBuckeyeForLife's picture

The lack of a speed at safety and the star position does not permit us to play press man coverage.  And as much as I hate to admit it, Fickell is from the Tressel era where bend but don't break thrived.  His blitz call late in the game was so predictable that even the team up north new it was coming and they nearly scored.  I am at a loss as to why the defense is so poor when we clearly dominate the line of scrimmage.  

CptBuckeye24's picture

I feel like our safeties are not enforcers or ballhawks.  We are missing that playmaker back there.  Barnett has good ball skills he is not someone you avoid.  And I have seen Roby struggle 1 on 1 in man coverage.  At this point, you need Roby to play on an island.

00Buck's picture

BUCKEYE fans need to get real here, our defense is young and untrained, they can't take a dump without Fickels permission, and unfortunately, we are not the SEC, we do not promise cars, Bling, bling, or girls, so defensive prima-donas don't want to attent tOSU, standing back, since coach Con left recruiting I have noticed a decline in defensive recruiting...... as a fan there is NOTHING you can do, except hope 1 or 2 of these kids grow-up, Roby is leaving because he needs the bucks $$$ <--- those kind.........  KIDS do not believe in fullfilling commitments anymore, and somewhere in the tOSU defense, there is a cog with a crack in the hub.......  and there is a fix............ Find another team to root for <---- not me, I have been a buckeye since 6 Jan 1951, room 535 tOSU school of medicine......  my options to quit do not exist........ and neither should the defense.

Upon this Rock, I build my house....and Let no man put asunder

kmp10's picture

You think Ohio State's defensive front "dominated" the line of scrimmage today? I'm not trying to be an ass, sincerely I'm not, but if that's what you think then one of us wasn't watching the Ohio State v TTUN game today because the D line didn't show up at all. Little to no pressure, and 600+ yards of offense for the bad guys. Respectfully, what do you mean when you say we clearly dominate the line of scrimmage? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying??? 

Nutinpa's picture

Clearly dominate what line of scrimmage?  Michigan's O Line more than held their own yesterday.   They effectively protected a quarterback who was playing on one leg. 
When a D gives up 600 yards, the word Dominance does not come to mind on the Line or anywhere else.  And if you were speaking in a more general sense beyond yesterday, when the highlight of your season is holding Indiana to 14 garbage points, it's time to rethink our standards.
 
 
 

dwcbuckeye's picture

Enjoy the victory for christs sake.  Dont be a fair weather fan.  

Actorjonnyb's picture

why are you  watching these and posting here? This is a discussion about a lousy defensive coaching staff that has a defense regressing. There are no fair weather fans and it has nothing to do with enjoying this victory. We are discussing a big problem that will come full circle in the bowl game unless corrected. Justify your position on the D or leave the discussion.

buckeyeinla

kmp10's picture

Good Lord... I've been an Ohio State guy my entire life. My dad went to OSU, I went to OSU, we both live and die with this program (49 yrs for me and 76 for dad). I resent being termed a "fair weather fan" because I dare to question why a defensive staff that has 4 and 5 star kids at its disposal continually lets their opponent get the better of them. Yesterday's performance was the nadir of the Fickell reign as Ohio State's D Coordinator. 603 yards to a one legged QB and an offensive team that barely had enough to beat the likes of Akron and UCONN. Krenzel said yesterday 'if you're a true fan of your team don't you want them to be a complete team? Don't you think it's fair and reasonable to question this defense and the defensive staff after they made Devin Gardner look great? I mean, they made DEVIN GARDNER look great! I didn't think that was possible.' That's from a guy who quarterbacked Ohio State to its last national title and played a couple years in the NFL. He is as big an OSU fan as there is. He's invested far more than any of us in this program... and he is calling a spade a spade. The defense is not good. This defense, Fickell's defense, is preventing this team from being great. They are on a 24 game winning streak in spite of it, not because of it. The offense is a beast. This defense? Not so much. This opinion doesn't make me a "fair weather fan". It makes me a realistic fan. I love the Buckeyes and I'm very happy with another win over TTUN... but this defense is severely lacking and if you can't see that then I'm not sure what you're watching.

Buckeye777's picture

!000% Correct!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buckeye1

Buckeye777's picture

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the begining of the season Game 1 through Game 2, everyone in the BIG 10 said that MSU has a great defense but the offense is HORRIBLE.  I remember everyone saying that through the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season.  I saw the same, no rushing offense, poor line for pass blocking, and nothing was working offensively for Sparty....What has changed they have emerged as a B offense, rather than the F they started out as.  They have progressed worked hard , corrected things, and have become a very well balanced offense. leaps and bounds from where they were at the begriming of the season.  Ask yourself WHY?
 
Answer: GREAT COACHING!!!  They made changes, developed to their strengths and progressed in their weaknesses.
Our defense had question marks in the beginning of the year, but have they progressed at all?  They have digressed if anything; they look more uncomfortable tackling, playing defense than I have ever seen them, and that includes week 1 of this season...
Great coaches .....COACH!
Go Bucks!!!!

Buckeye1

topgun67's picture

right now, we need to put all our support  around AU beating AL (tie game now)
afterwards, we focus on MICH St.
MICH state's D is really good.  We need to score in the 30's I think we will win.  Our D will give up some points, so it's simple as our O scoring several TD's
Hyde needs to be a beast despite M State's defense.  He just needs to do it

mb5599's picture

you're right. msu will stack the box and make braxton prove he can beat them through the air.  they can also do this since their secondary is one of the top units in the nation.  our receivers will be key next week.  they have to find ways to get open .  between urban and herman i think they can come up with some plays to free them up.  need to get the tight ends more involved down the seams.  it seems like whenever they draw that play up its good for major yardage.  need to also work in some slant routes.  have not seen that enough this year.  defensively we are a mess. the only thing we have going for us is that sparty's offense isnt consistent.  i think urban needs to make another visit to the defensive team rooms and spend at least 50% of his time there this week.  our d coaching staff looks as confused as our players.

Big B

CptBuckeye24's picture

I really want to see Braxton air it out while indoors.  The indoors really benefits Ohio State.  Let them load the box.  We have speed to get to the outside and the power upfront and the ability to spread them out.  I want to know how many teams can consistently load the box against a spread offense of our ability and consistently stop the power run and stopping the pass.
We will air it out and find Smith, Brown, Spencer, and Heuerman all over the field. Throw Wilson in there and I like it.

Rusty Buckeye's picture

Let them stack the box! Hyde will simply bulldoze them as he has with everyone else. ROLL HYDE!

Tressel Forever
5-30-11

buckeyerose's picture

Our defense was pretty baaaad today not sure if it's the worst though, hopefully our offense puts it in gear next Saturday and never looks back.  

Just win!  

CptBuckeye24's picture

The good news about Sparty is that their offense is a pro offense.  I feel like we match up so much better with that. 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

What I don't get is the relative performance of the defense at home and on the road. I understand most teams play better at home, but aside from the first half tight-end-a-thon vs. Iowa and some of the pass plays Wisconsin hit on, we generally did well on defense at home all season. But on the road, they've been shredded by everyone except Purdue.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

Good God.
Please stop with the immediate "sky is falling" crap.  I cannot believe that in the middle of an historic run, the longest streak in Ohio State freaking history...that people still have to be the first stinking voice to stand up and piss all over a hard fought win.
Are you really so young and stupid that you don't realize this is what rivalries do?  Ohio State played perhaps one of the worst games in a long time AND WON THE GAME!
TTUN came out against all tendencies and earned Al Borges another year.
We should be happy about that.
 

Actorjonnyb's picture

Would you please leave this discussion! This isn't about enjoying the win! there are other posts to drink your cool-aid with! LOOK AT THE FRIKIN HEADLINE! This is a discussion about the lousy defense, so take another hit on your happy pipe and leave this thread unless you have an astout observation about the topic of this thread! Defense!

buckeyeinla

Buckeye777's picture

Painful win, is that always a good win??
 
How are we perceived Nationally this isn't about us and how we feel emotionally about a game, it is about a National exposure and Credibility among other conference this is bigger than this board!
We need to focus on Quality wins to be perceived a legitimate.
 
We may go down in the Rankings because of the way we won the game, horrible "D"
 
If we go down in the polls who here would be surprised.  So then is it a win after all???

Buckeye1

Buckeye777's picture

If the Michigan so called WIN causes us to drop in the polls, it's because of our defense and the lousy win we had against an inferior opponent.
 
So in the end Michigan can laugh and say they had a part to play in our demotion of staus in the National Poll Rankings,,,,is that the win you speak of???
 
It's about Defense and the National Spotlight, not just your pipe and how full it is...

Buckeye1

NCBuckeyeForLife's picture

Happy we are, satisfied we can not be!

2002osubuck's picture

This isn't scum vs uconn it's The Game and the rest of the year goes out the window. All that matters is we won and now bama lost so if we beat MSU we go to the NCG. I agree we have to play better on D, especially with the possibility to go against FSU and Winston but I think we can do all.

OSUStu's picture

So how come this guy gets to change his original blog post and the original comments get removed?

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Buckeye777's picture

Exactly what happened with the original BLOG post I had????  Not sure how all this works??

Buckeye1

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

Wow.  That escalated quickly.  I came back here to apologize to Buckeye777 for calling him "stupid" in my post above.  Since I have been on this site, I have never called anyone a name.  So I still apologize for being an ass.
However, to be asked to "leave a thread" because the thread was exclusively for whiny knee jerk judgments by obviously highly superior critical sports thinkers (I bow to thee and cede my humility in your presence)...
Well...I'm just insulted!
Good bye!
Actually...I think you're cute and funny.
Just win, baby.  Just Win.

buckeyerose's picture

But you know this was a rivalry game, wtf did we expect?  Somehow we won....and Alabama didn't.  I do believe they flubbed 3 effing field goals, so what if  Michigan played us tough.  At least we didn't play to kick field goals I believe we scored touchdowns.  It's still about WINS!
 

Just win!  

45has2's picture

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"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

OSUSTU...
I just noticed that as well.  I came back here because I felt bad about saying something, and you're right.  The above Blog Post is altered drastically. 
What gives?
 

OSUStu's picture

He was probably getting flamed too hard for his original post.  Was about go into limbo land.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Buckeye777's picture

I am unsure I why my original Blog Post was removed????

Buckeye1

redfox's picture

Good thing we have a good offense because we sure don't have a good defense.

KLF Buckeye's picture

This could be our worst defense in 10 years, who knows? 
I also don't care. As a fan I cannot do anything to make our defense better. So, for now I am just going to root like hell that our offense continues to put up more points than our opponents as they have done 24 times in a row.

dallavise's picture

I like to analyze the games, and what are these forums for if we can't do that.  We are all happy we won, if we didn't, I would be too drunk to see straight right now, and not wanting to talk to anyone.  However, I believe the defensive issues can be fixed, to a certain degree, and we will need that to happen to win next week, and also the NCG.  With our offense, and a good defensive performance, which we are capable of, we can win this damn title.  Let's talk about it.  Go Bucks!  Love the win, but this effort will not make us National Champs. 

Buckeye777's picture

I agree 100%, Just want us to take the talent we have, which I am sure is at least as good a Michigan State and develop into the system they have.... Most teams will become better over the course of the season, our offense I believe has a great identity going for it...our defense on the other hand is still searching for an identity to who we are.  I believe we need to play the younger players now, and with talent like  Vonn Bell, Cam Burrows, Roby, Christian Bryant, Powell, Doran Grant,,,,I believe this DB team has the athletic abilities that MSU has just have not developed them.I am sure if Saban, or some other teams had this talent in the back end (DB's) they would have put together a Passing defense that had TEETH in it. Right now I see a 80 year old toothless, wondering zombie.
 
Are DB have the same if not better speed and athletic ability that MSU HAS..Go Bucks!!!

Buckeye1

WildBear Buckeye's picture

To those of you insisting that the defense hasn't been somewhere between average and outright poor this season, what will you say if Auburn ends up jumping OSU on the strength of wins against Bama and in the SECCG? We all know about 99.99% of your anger would be directed at OMG ESPiN BIAS, but will you consider the fact that FSU basically has the same schedule strength as OSU and will be the unanimous #1 this week, and next week if they win? FSU isn't in the SEC. For ten years they've been regarded as a joke. But this year they've gone out and taken care of business against inferior competition. Do any of you really think that, had OSU taken care of business the way FSU has, there would be any question at all right now about who would be in the NCG (given OSU and FSU win next week)? Was there any question that Oregon and KState would play in the NCG game last year until their respective losses? How about OKSt two years ago before they lost to Iowa State? This isn't just "media bias". This defense has made the 2013 Buckeye team appear extremely flawed.

Buckeye777's picture

1000% correct!!! It is not bias but a flawed an inferior defense that keeps the Buckeyes down, if we had a defense even half as god as MSU we would not be having this discussion we would be #1 or Number 2 solid in the country no questions asked.
 
If we beat Michigan by 35 points and hold them to 12 points total for the game, we again are a solid number 2 team~~~~
 
....however to allow an inferior 4 loss Michigan team to throw all over us all day long does not look good and I personally do not see us winning a NCG because of our defense.  That said I would rather not play in the Natty until we had put together a defense that can at the very least slow down the passing attack of a 4 loss team.
Go the the NCG this year and get embarrassed because of our lack of defense will only further fuel the fire of how terrible the BIG 10 is perceived.,....

Buckeye1

RedStorm45's picture

Worst defense of the last 25 years.  Find me another D that gave up 603 yards to anyone, let alone a crap Michigan team that only put up 698 yards in their previous 3 games combined.
 
And EVERY starter was a 4 or 5 star recruit coming out.  Ridiculous.

741's picture

Hey, does anybody remember that time Ohio State lost 7 games in one year? (Idiots.)

RedStorm45's picture

That team didn't give up 600 yards in any game.  Or 41 points if I recall.  This post is about defenses, not overall teams.

el duderino's picture

You're right. They gave up 444 yards (including 277 on the ground) and 40 points. And LOST to TTUN.
I'll take 600 yards, 41 points, and a VICTORY any day. ANY DAMN DAY.

"This is a very complicated case: a lot of ins, lot of outs, lot of what-have-yous."

dallavise's picture

Combination of poor tackling, missed assignments, and a poorly called game. We should be able to fix all of these things. We can't fix some weaknesses in the secondary, but we can cover it up with pressure. We can be drastically better, and have been drastically better. Just know we can't have this type of performance again if we want to keep winning.

Knarcisi's picture

All I can say is that we better have some young DBs and LBs ready to play next year. 

buckeyenut10's picture

I guess we should have fired our defensive staff after the 06 game too, right?

45has2's picture

And '08.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

HotSauceCommittee's picture

Thoughtful post 777. Shame people bash the post because they can't check their S&G colored glasses at the door. We all come here to post our opinions, good and bad, positive and negative, rational or emotion-filled rubbish. It is a community to share opinions and insight. Isn't that why there are blogs and bloggers.

I am actually starting to question if our D, specifically our pass D, has showed any progress at all this season. Really, when you think about it we shut down a freshman Penn
State QB and that is about the pass defenses only bragging point of the season. Indiana, Mi, Iowa, Cal, Whisky, etc have roasted us via the pass. It is starting to be embarrassing and will sooner or later bite us in the ass. Several people on here today have mentioned doing this today themselves...I was literally calling out MI plays. They ran the same dozen plays and telegraphed them each time. Credit to MI for playing their butts off.

Fickell, Withers and Combs aren't working. 24 games in and something isn't clicking. That is a cold hard fact. It is now a chronic problem. I was asked several times at the Game today by Mi fans
what was wrong with our defense. To get on here and post that 'Cal has a great young QB, and 'We sold out on the run against Whisky' or 'Michigan played out of their minds' are nice excuses. Nothing is wrong with being slightly unhappy with your teams performance. That is why sites like this exist. It can't be 'Spence adds 30 lbs of bulk', 'Hyde trucks Drayton' or 'Braxton's New fun zone cleets' all the time.

I want to hear your opinions, not your homeristic blind love. We all accept debate, but the downvoting for anything remotely different is getting old. Worst defense in 10 years, maybe, maybe not. But I appreciate your thoughts and thanks for posting the question.

Buckeye777's picture

Thanks, I love the Buckeyes with all my heart. I only want to be insightful and honest when it comes to evaluating team issues.  I love that we beat TTUN, but what I  am already hearing is that because of such a close game we may and will probably get jumped on the rankings; and once again if I am honest with myself; and put my Biased mind aside for a moment to make an educated opinion, then that is what I must do, not only for the purpose of TRUTH, but to help us to understand where the team is headed and why we look so bad on defense,
.We could live in a happy little bubble like some people on this board but truth is they are not being real to what the Nation see's and the voters see, that is the bubble they have created, and you simply cannot live life that way!  if you do you will always end up disappointed and be ignorant to the TRUTH that is all around you! I believe this Buckeye team has the talent on defense to put together a similar defense package like MSU, we definitely have the players and talent to do that.  So why haven't we in 12  games???  That is the rational for this post.   Our coaches have not developed or utilized the talent that has been brought to them through recruiting ., simple as that.  Something has to give as in obtaining a new defensive coordinator with a great resume, and not some cheerleaders that we have coaching for us now, if we want National Exposure and respect we need to hire the best defensive staff period!
 
GO BUCKS!!!!

Buckeye1

HotSauceCommittee's picture

You were probably downvoted for your stat protections. Again, I appreciate your opinion, but hope you are wrong.

GV9's picture

What I don't understand is how it wasn't clear to ANYONE that the key to beating Michigan is pressuring Devin Gardner into making mistakes!  That obviously was NOT happening in the first half playing soft and static D and yet the defensive staff rigidly stuck with it even while getting shredded for 100s of yards.  The few times that we did blitz DG he was tackled for a loss or forced into over/under throws.  The lack of defensive creativity and chaos allowed DG to sit back there and make the plays he needed to make. 
Finally, in the 2nd half, there was a bit more blitzing, but still just one guy at a time (in most cases).  M picked up most of them and gimpy Devin Gardner continued to have time back there to shop around for an open receiver.  Any kind of Helter Skelter defensive swarm of the sort Fred Pagac was famous for, would've destroyed DG & M in this game!  Did our defensive staff not watch the Iowa/M game film?  DG panics and crumples under pressure.  
I could not believe how passive and uncreative our defensive scheme was, and how rigidly our D staff stuck to it even after we were getting shredded by M's offense  the whole game long.  603 freaking yards? With Devin Gimpy Gardner back there??  Embarrassing!   

Buckeye777's picture

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the begining of the season Game 1 through Game 2, everyone in the BIG 10 said that MSU has a great defense but the offense is HORRIBLE.  I remember everyone saying that through the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season.  I saw the same, no rushing offense, poor line for pass blocking, and nothing was working offensively for Sparty....What has changed they have emerged as a B offense, rather than the F they started out as.  They have progressed worked hard , corrected things, and have become a very well balanced offense. leaps and bounds from where they were at the begriming of the season.  Ask yourself WHY?
 
Answer: GREAT COACHING!!!  They made changes, developed to their strengths and progressed in their weaknesses.
Our defense had question marks in the beginning of the year, but have they progressed at all?  They have digressed if anything; they look more uncomfortable tackling, playing defense than I have ever seen them, and that includes week 1 of this season...
Great coaches .....COACH!
Go Bucks!!!!

Buckeye1

allinosu's picture

Cameron williams is a step slow and has poor tackling tecks. When the first team is intact we look pretty good. We are not good enough to cover an exposed player without it costing us like reeves earlier in the season. It appeared to me we were on our heels and playing nickel trying to solve the problem. Now it's was a team effort on defense but he needs some work. Reeves is playing better so can he. This is where I wondered about red shirting mitchell for example. 

FLAMikey's picture

I'm not sure that Cam could tackle a figure in a wax museum.

mtrotb's picture

Pitt Brown is confused out there.  Hopefully Bryant will be ready for bowl game.

mtrotb

The Rill Dill's picture

TEN years??  We gave up the 2nd most yardage total (yesterday), in the HISTORY of Ohio State Football!!!  This is a MADDENING statistic!!

jmoore3309's picture

I think Sparty will run a game plan very similar to Iowa.  They will try to establish the run and then hit us with play action and screen passes.  On defense they are going to come after us with pressure from the first snap.  We will need to play our best game of the year on both sides of the ball to win.  
I don't think it is being negative to worry about our defense ability to perform at the level we expect from an OSU defense.  To a certain extent we were spoiled during the Tressel years when we fielded a defense that we were confident could win games sometimes without the help of the offense.  The worm has definitely turned in that regard.  We now have an offense that can win simply by out scoring the opponent.  
What I saw yesterday was a defense that was in position several times to make game changing plays.  For whatever reason, we were not always able to finish either Gardner or the RB was able to wriggle free. Our defense faced a steady diet of misdirection and screen passes and our aggressive tendencies seemed to work against us.  Folks want to talk about the youth of Michigan's offense, but our defense has it's share of youth as well.     
I would love to roll out the 02 and 05 defense every year, but those teams don't just materialize naturally.  They are developed over time and tend to be the perfect mix of skill and experience.  
Is our defense the weakness of this team? Absolutely.  Are they capable of playing better? Certainly.  Should we be allowed to critically assess their performance?  I think as fans, this is the reason we come to sights like this.
Next Saturday should be interesting, as we will be on the receiving end of Tresselball and the dreaded Bollman offense.

Go Bucks!

Buckeye777's picture

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the begining of the season Game 1 through Game 2, everyone in the BIG 10 said that MSU has a great defense but the offense is HORRIBLE.  I remember everyone saying that through the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season.  I saw the same, no rushing offense, poor line for pass blocking, and nothing was working offensively for Sparty....What has changed they have emerged as a B offense, rather than the F they started out as.  They have progressed worked hard , corrected things, and have become a very well balanced offense. leaps and bounds from where they were at the begriming of the season.  Ask yourself WHY?
 
Answer: GREAT COACHING!!!  They made changes, developed to their strengths and progressed in their weaknesses.
Our defense had question marks in the beginning of the year, but have they progressed at all?  They have digressed if anything; they look more uncomfortable tackling, playing defense than I have ever seen them, and that includes week 1 of this season...
 
Great coaches .....COACH!
 
Go Bucks!!!!

Buckeye1

Davep160's picture

Here is my weak ass take on the matter.
 
We struggled against three teams.  Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan.   All three of them used 7-8 man offensive lines.   Wisconsin did it first and we struggled, we have a fast defensive line, but not a huge defensive line.    They double teamed our lines and moved the ball with screens.   
Due to scheme none of these teams ran well on us, but all of them were able to keep our 4 D linemen away from the quarterback.   Michigan had copied the blueprint and added a few wrinkles with short passing routes.  The second they wen't to a 5-6 man line we started getting pressure.
 
Also, with our Offensive scoring so often and not sustaining drives, the defense is on the field ALL THE TIME.   It isn't so much that we run 80-90 plays a game, but the opponent runs the same amount of plays.  By the numbers, we are giving the opposing team 25% more opportunity to get their offense going.
 
That being said, we have been shitty against the pass all season, this time it almost affected the outcome of the game.  It is what it is. 
 
Bring on MSU
 

Buckeye777's picture

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the begining of the season Game 1 through Game 2, everyone in the BIG 10 said that MSU has a great defense but the offense is HORRIBLE.  I remember everyone saying that through the first 3 or 4 weeks of the season.  I saw the same, no rushing offense, poor line for pass blocking, and nothing was working offensively for Sparty....What has changed they have emerged as a B offense, rather than the F they started out as.  They have progressed worked hard , corrected things, and have become a very well balanced offense. leaps and bounds from where they were at the begriming of the season.  Ask yourself WHY?
 
Answer: GREAT COACHING!!!  They made changes, developed to their strengths and progressed in their weaknesses.
Our defense had question marks in the beginning of the year, but have they progressed at all?  They have digressed if anything; they look more uncomfortable tackling, playing defense than I have ever seen them, and that includes week 1 of this season...
Great coaches .....COACH!
Go Bucks!!!!

Buckeye1

Davep160's picture

I can see your point, but the problem lies with personnel.   I think our D-Line is doing well (36 Sacks) our Defensive backs are either not the caliber of Chekwa or Jenkins.   That makes a HUGE difference when we are running in the Nickel or Dime ALL the time.  Hell it may be a coaching issue,  but it is too late to worry about it now.   Dance with the one that brought you here.

Yamosu's picture

Yes, yes it is.  And when they play like they this, anyone can beat us on any day.

Toilrt Paper's picture

Only when the game plan is to play passive. ALL of the Ohio State coaches thought the U of M offense would implode and beat themselves. So, sit back and wait for it to happen. I thought they knew the history of the rivalry better than that.