Saban to the NFL?

Buckeye Beast's picture
October 17, 2012 at 12:23p
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I've got The Herd playing on ESPNU, & according to Collin Cowherd, there's rumors of Nick Saban leaving Alabama for the NFL again. They think the Browns might actually go after him at the end of the season. To me, that would make sense since cleveland has his former RB Trent Richardson, a potential franchise QB in Weeden, & most importantly, the makings of a potentially great Defense. So basically we have everything he would be looking for, & you can't underestimate the value of Joe Thomas & Alex Mack, Saban loves to have a good O-line. He would know all about how to put Richardson in the best posistion to be successful, & that would make Brandon Weeden even better. I really think this could happen, & I wouldn't beleive Saban if he says it wont happen. Remember that he told all the media that he wouldn't be leaving the NFL to coach the Crimson Tide. Cowherd also makes a good point as well: Saban runs an NFL style defensive scheme & offense. He wanted to bring Drew Brees to Miami when he was the coach, but they gave him Dante Culpepper. The fanatasism in Alabama has already reached levels where he really can't even go to the supermarket, he has an eye for talent, & he's just better suited for the NFL. He just didn't get the QB he wanted. I know he's not the best guy character wise, but he runs a hell of a football team. This would be good for the Browns & Ohio State when it comes to recruiting. All we can do is hope Meyer never pulls something like that.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I will beileve it when I see it.  Check the Skully; some reasons from Catch 5 why that wouldn't happen.  We shall see.

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Buckeye Beast's picture

I didn't even get a chance to read it this week, thanks for pointing that out. We'll see

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

If Saban leaves, you'll know a NCAA ban hammer is coming. It'll be Pete "I knew nothing" Carroll all over again.

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btalbert25's picture

Is Weeden really a potential Franchise QB???? Isn't he older(or as old) as grandpa Bauserman?

Baroclinicity's picture

He shows promise.  It's too early to tell, but he doesn't have the wear and tear of a 29 yr old QB...

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Buckpocalypse's picture

I would argue he has as much if not more wear and tear on his arm.  I would wager a pitcher throws considerably more balls than a quarterback.  As far as taking hits, I would argue that deteriorating arm stength is a much larger concern with aging quarterbacks outside of concussions.

Buckeye Beast's picture

I think he is. I really doubted him on draft night, & I wanted the Browns to get David DeCastro or Cordy Glenn. I said the same things about his age, & I was one of the people who wanted to see what Colt McCoy could do with a dew good guys. But Brandon Weeden is learning really quick, he already has a few 300 yard passing games under his belt, & we're in every game even if we're not winning them all, that's something we haven't seen the past few years with the exception of 2007. If I remember correctly, it took Colt McCoy almost 50 or maybe even over 50 throws to reach 300 yards in his only 300 yard game as a NFL QB. I would call that promise

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SPreston2001's picture

Lol franchise QB?? I just dont see it lol. I hate to rain on you guys parade but that was a bad pick IMO. Weeden will be average at best...

William's picture

Through 5 games, he was 2nd all-time for passing yards by a rookie QB. That seems far from average to me. People spout off about Weeden because of his age, he's 29, but he's only been playing football for 3 years give or take. To me, his situation is like Kurt Warner's. Warner didn't come into the NFL until he was 29, but he was much more fresh because he hadn't been playing in it since he was 22. You clearly haven't been watching the Browns if you are merely going to say that Weeden will be average at best. 

Buckeyejason's picture

Come on William people don't like facts!!! lol

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SPreston2001's picture

Umm yes ive watched a few browns games (philly in which he got destroyed) and I havent been impressed. Im not saying he's bad, I just dont see greatness in him... 

William's picture

You cite his one bad game, yet you fail to recognize his several good performances? Or the fact that he leads all rookies in passing yards. If the guy had real receivers I can't imagine what his numbers might be like. The only rookie QB I'd rank ahead of him right now is RG3. 

SPreston2001's picture

Lol so are you really gonna go out on a limb and say he's gonna be better than Luck?? Its not like outside of RG3 and Luck the rookie QB class is top notch! Im just saying I dont think the guy is much of a upgrade over Colt. Im not a Browns fan so I really couldnt care less but I just dont see franchise QB in him. Hell in 4 years he'll be entering those kinda declining years...

William's picture

He's playing better than Luck is right now. Also Weeden is exponentially better than McCoy ever was. If you cant see the difference between Weeden and McCoy, I don't know what else to tell you. Also who's to say that he'll be 'declining' in four years? Nothing has shown that this will be the case with Weeden. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

I was (sort of still am) a huge Weeden opponent. I didn't care for him as a first rounder and still don't think he's a franchise caliber QB that you draft in the first round, with that said he's been out performed by only RGIII in this class, who has outperformed most vets. Scarier thought, Luck has been the worst thus far as even Tannehill hasn't been awful. The NFL doesn't seem to be as hard on rookies as it used to be. I'm just going off the top of my head here so I might be missing something obvious but there just aren't the collosal collapse bust QB's I grew up seeing with Leaf, Couch, McNown, Smith, etc. Mark Sanchez goes to an AFC title game, Cam Newton throws plus 300 his first 3 or 4 games, RGIII is a possible MVP candidate. I think some of it comes from the amount of coaching in the passing game college players receive. Is Weeden running the stuff he ran in Stillwater? No of course not. But some principles are the same-read quickly, progress quickly, throw quickly. He may not be doing it from 5 wide shotgun sets but a lot of the neck up stuff is the same, and that's why he's been able to have more than a moderate amount of success. I'm hard on guys, and other than maybe John Simon, there isn't a guy I've been harder on these boards than Brandon Weeden but its safe to say the Browns could be in much worse hands.
Edit-JP Lossman is one name that comes to mind at second glance. I still think we are seeing rookies succeed at a much greater rate early in their careers than they used to.

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Buckeyejason's picture

Weeden is the best passer the Browns have had in many many years..as a rookie, and he has basically the least talented group of wideouts in the league next to the Jets and Colts.  

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Earle's picture

Weeden is the best passer the Browns have had in many many years

Agree, but that is not a very high bar.

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Squirrel Master's picture

I won't go so far as to say Weeden is a "franchise QB", but he was far from a bad pick! Considering the need for a QB and the rapid progress the team really needs, a mature QB was probably the best option.
Plus, I don't care how old he is. It only takes 1 year to win a super bowl and watching QBs playing well into their late 30's and early 40's means he still has some years left in him to do something.
If you guys want to be negative about something, be negative about the fact they didn't draft a decent WR AT ALL. They had to realize their mistake and use a sup draft pick in Gordon who is a project with nice potential.
As a chiefs fan, I'd take Weeden any day right now! Trust me, the browns will have at least 2 wins this year if not more once that offense starts to figure out some things.
 

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buck-I.8's picture

this what happens when people watch sportscenter once and then suddenly think they're making "informed" opinions about a player. Unless you watch the NFL every game of every week, or every Browns game ever (like those of us who do without fail), then speaking on the issue isn't the finest choice.

cbusbuckeye's picture

The only chance he leaves is if big sanctions are coming, and I would be shocked if it was for Cleveland. 

cinserious's picture

Unfortunaltely, the SEC is immune to 'big sanctions'.

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Oyster's picture

Oh C'Mon.  The NCAA did a full investigation at Auburn and found nothing wrong with the Reverend Newton and his new addition to the church...

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Buckeyejason's picture

What a dumb move that would be. The NFL is a mess, he's like a God down there.

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Jeremy91's picture

My thoughts exactly. He's a king down there, no reason to give it up, especially for... the Browns? Really?

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Bolt's picture

That's what I was thinking as well. He's clearly having success and he can have total control over everything in his program. He's making NFL level moneyz too.

Squirrel Master's picture

just a few reason why he would leave.
1. He knows something illegal and big went down and he is running before he pays the price.
2. He wants to succeed at every level, including the ultimate, Super Bowl.
3. He gets tired of recruiting in the SEC which is cut throat and the second you relax, it will eat you alive!
4. He gets tired of sucking up to boosters and alumni. "How many of these F'in reception dinners do I need to go to before I can have 5 seconds to think about football!"
not sure if any of these are currently happening or will happen, just saying there are valid reasons.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

5. he loves to move
6. he loves money
7. he's afraid of his daughter
 

Oyster's picture

#4 was the undoing of Coach Bruce!

R.I.P. Otsego

lamplighter's picture

I just thought he ticked off the Wolfes'  (can we say that now?)

cinserious's picture

I know Saban's the ultimate liar, but saying he woud'nt go to the Browns sounds truthful. BuckeyeBeast, you're delusional if you think Weeden is a franchise qb and Trent Richardson would pull him to the Browns. Its still THE BROWNS!!! On the other hand I can see Saban leaving the college game because he knows Urban Meyer is going to kick his ass on the field one day soon. Don't worry about Urbz leaving OSU, he actually cares about the young individuals he coaches, unlike Saban and the rest of the SEC (cheaters) + Pete Carroll.

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Buckeye Beast's picture

Thanks for the comment, I gave you a up vote on it. Maybe I could be too excited about Weeden, it's just nice to see the Browns competing. But I still think he has potential. As for the Richardson thing, I was just saying we have a few tools for him to work with, that's all. Urban Meyer doesn't at all seem like an NFL kind of guy. You're right, the difference between Saban & Meyer is Saban is sorta evil & business oriented, while Urban values family & all that. I'm not really worried about him leaving anythime soon.

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Buckeye Beast's picture

I try to respond to people, I feel like it's courteous to those who take the time to read my post. So thanks to everyone. As for the sanctions thing, Nick Saban has already been through a few scandals down there. With the oversigning on national signing day, & the misuse of medical scholarships thing. I wouldn't doubt there's something he's trying to leave behind before somebody comes to investigate the program.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

I doubt Saban leaves Alabama any time soon. Not to mention, I doubt if he is interested in going to an NFL team stuck in perpetual rebuilding mode. I would think if he leaves for an NFL job, it wouldn't be for Cleveland. Although, he does have a gigantic ego and he may think that he can be the architect of change and success there (despite his poor showing in Miami). And we all know Saban loves money, and the Browns new owner Haslam has lots of money to throw at a coach (he did just drop a cool billion for the team and all). 
And FWIW: Saban does have ties to the Browns. He was the defensive coordinator in Cleveland from 91-94 under Bill Belichick. 

Buckeyeneer's picture

I don't see this happening.

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SPreston2001's picture

Not gonna happen. He's been there and didnt like it so I dont see why he would try it again. He's King Saban at the college level and has everything at his fingertips at Bama. No way he leaves that situation for Cleveland....

GODOFWARBUCKEYE's picture

Saban will leave for the NFL when and if L.A gets a franchise he would be first in line for a general manager/ head coaching position.... Remember you heard it here first L.A. ....

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

I'm in no way "in the loop" with the browns let alone alabama.  I just can't see this happening though.  He really is worshipped down there.  He's got the team rolling, I don't think there is any NCAA trouble on the horizon, and what is he like 60?  At 60 or so why leave somewhere where you are a master (college football) to go somewhere where you are a pupil? (NFL)  -I know he's been there before but he's no NFL guru.

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lamplighter's picture

He was with the Browns before - who knows what the new owner will want (he is from SEC country).  Methnks that it would have the potential for another Belicheck scene with the Cleveland sports media (was not pretty)
I do think that it's a stretch to say that he would come in because of Richardson (did Carroll go after Reggie Bush or any of the former USC players after taking over at Seattle?) or to say that Weeden will be a franchise QB (personal bias here notwithstanding).  At most serviceable.
I did read something about Gruden (again) and Cowher (no way).
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Kurt's picture

Given Saban's recent declaration of hate for spread offenses a move to the No Fun League doesn't seem implausible.
For what its worth Rick Neuheisel said he thinks Carroll left USC because he couldn't handle facing Oregon's offense year in and year out - after all Carroll is a defensive coach.  Neuheisel claimed he wanted to get back to predictible offensive schemes of the NFL.

SPreston2001's picture

If Pete Carroll was still at USC he would still be kicking Oregons ass year in and year out lol. 

Kurt's picture

i really don't think so.  In the only year that Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll overlapped Oregon kicked USC's ass.

ohhiyo's picture

Did Satan do good while he was in Miami? The story about Jeno James scares me that any kid would actually want a coach like this. here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BjCUARfSzpk

Squirrel Master's picture

Jeno James was a waste of a draft pick and a cry baby. Did he amount to anything after Saban left? Nope!
Plus its the dolphins which makes me agree he won't leave Bama for the Browns, but he might leave them for a team like Dallas. Maybe not want to work with Jerry, but a team of that quality. I never imagine Saban leaving Bama for a hapless never will like the Browns or my Chiefs. they just don't get coaches like that. We take leftovers from NE!

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tennbuckeye19's picture

I doubt Saban leaves Tuscaloosa, but he does have a huge ego, but he strikes me as the kind of person who would actually think he could step into a bad situation like in KC or Cleveland and turn it around.  Alabama was not good when he took over, in fact, they went 7-6 his first year there. But by year 2 they went undefeated in the regular season. 
 

cinserious's picture

nick saban= sick f--k!

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Buckeyenomad's picture

The reason Nick Saban is a good college football coach is because he is such a good recruiter.  This does not translate to the NFL.  It is also unlikely that the Browns would give him personnel authority so his talent evaluation skills would not be as valuable.  It's also worth noting that Saban would want a more sure thing at QB.  If sancitons were coming I'm sure Saban would jump ship but it would more likely be for a team that could draft a QB, preferably in the south where he is revered. 

FROMTHE18's picture

5% chance of this happening...in other words... no way.

Buck_Michigan's picture

One thing you need to consider about Saban is that he really doesn't stay put long.  Here a look at the head coaching postions Saban has had over the years and the trend is that 5 years is his average stay as the HC.  Now with Alabama he is in his 6th year, but with Saban I think he is so competitive that he always is looking to the next level. 
1995–1999  MSU
2000–2004  LSU
2005–2006  Miami Dolphins
2007–present  Alabama
I honestly do not know if Saban even enjoys winning...to him its more destroying all that stands in his way in achieving his goal.  Winning is simply a means to completing his task.  
So how long do you think Saban has left in Alabama?  I honestly do not think that Saban will last more than a couple years in Alabama.  Will he go back to NFL?  I think yes he will...he was in Houston and Cleveland prior to becoming the HC at Miami so it's inevitable that he makes his way back to the NFL at some point.  I imagine that if someone throws enough money his way, (you know he loves that $$$) he will strongly consider leaving Bama...sorry Tide but Saban isn't going to retire in Alabama.

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penult's picture

No way Saban will leave Bama.  He has it made there.  Of course he loves recruiting, that's his unfair winning advantage.  And anybody can be a good recruiter when they get to sign more players (it equates to higher odds for finding a player that will pan out).               
Only 2 reasons he would leave: 1) he knows the NCAA hammer is coming down, or 2) the SEC or NCAA cracks down on oversigning--that's the only way he can be that successful (records at MSU and Dolphins show that).
If I were a Browns fan I wouldn't want him.  He can't win in the NFL.  Not because the game is different.  Other coaches make the transition.  It's because he doesn't do well on an even playing field.  If he got extra draft picks in the NFL every year then he might go for it.  As a Bengals fan I could only hope he goes to the Browns.         

Buckeye2005's picture

I think the new owner of the Browns is willing to spend the money to bring in some bigger names (coaches and players).  However, I don't think Saban is interested in coming back to the Browns.  The only way he's leaving is if the NCAA is coming after him and again I don't think he'd go to the Browns even if he did go back to the NFL. 

Buckeye Beast's picture

I said Brandon Weeden was a "potential franchise QB". That means I think he has the potential to become that sort of player if his development goes according to plan. I never said for sure that he's a franchise QB, just wanted to clear that up. Feel like I'm getting some real criticism at the moment, although understood. As for Saban, I doubt he'll be leaving Bama for Cleveland anytime soon more & more now that I think about it. But I also don't think he'll be in Alabama forever.

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jthiel09's picture

Ego will either take that man to the NFL again, or keep him in College football.

JT

btalbert25's picture

It is true that Saban is worshipped and he rules Alabama and is worshiped, but that doesn't neccessarily mean he's staying.  A lot of these high profile coaches in all sports  sometimes just want more.  I can't imagine Saban as a guy who had a "dream job" where he wanted to coach and stay for 20 years.  He has a huge ego, and may feel like there is nothing left to prove at Bama and wants a new challenge.  Now, will that be in the NFL???? Who knows, he failed there once so maybe that's something he'd want to make a run at one more time.  Maybe there will be another once great program that he wants to bring back to national power even though they've been mediocre for a long long time like Nebraska for instance.  It's hard to say really.  It really just depends on what his motivations are. 

LouGroza's picture

The pressure to keep a team at the top, after getting them there like Saban has, is a burden. That's why he acts like an ass at times. It would get to anyone. One 3 or 4 loss year and the natives will be restless. Going to a team that hasn't won in decades would be a win, win for him. He would get big money and get worshipped as he did in Alabama even with modest gains. I could see it happening.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

As long as he doesn't go to Purdue or Minnesota, I'll be okay with what he does.

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Maceyko's picture

Crazy move to leave.  He has it made unless we don't know about something...

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

He'll leave, but only for more money. 

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