BUCKEYES! NO EXCUSES

bosshawk's picture
November 16, 2013 at 3:06p
106 Comments

I don't want to hear that Illinois has always played Ohio State close.  That doesn't matter.  There are no excuses accepted.

 

You are playing in what is perceived as one of the weaker conferences in the country.  The Buckeyes must do whatever it takes to separate themselves from the competition.  To be considered one of the elite teams of college football they must perform at a level of excellence.  To have any hope of advancing to the BCS Championship game they must crush every team in the way.

 

The defense has had a real setback today.  Too many missed assignments and too many missed tackles allow teams behind us to overtake us.  Baylor, Auburn, and Stanford are chomping at the bit.  Winning unimpressively does nothing for the OSU title bid.

 

Those fans that give excuses for lack of domination in conference games by a superior Buckeye team are totally missing the point.  Ohio State is supposed to annihilate everybody less than Wisconsin and Nebraska (notice I didn't mention that irrelevant team up North).

 

Simply put, we need "style points".  To have any hope of playing in the National Championship we must perform much better than we did today.

 

Some pivotal things have to happen in order for us to even be afforded the opportunity to play on January 6, 2014.  Maybe not getting there would be a blessing because I would hate to see what happened if we perform on defense like we have against Illinois.  Alabama or Florida State will "wipe the field with us" (if I can borrow a phrase from Evan Spencer).

 

Come on Buckeyes.  You have to be better than this.

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741's picture

Q: How many starters are out today on the DEF? 
A: A shit load.

bosshawk's picture

No excuse.  Bama or FSU can be without starters and they don't miss a beat.  I don't want to hear any excuses.  If we think we can play with them we have to stop making excuses.

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

Baroclinicity's picture

How we play against Illinois with injuries and terrible weather says absolutely zilch about how we would play against FSU or Alabama.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

bosshawk's picture

NO EXCUSES!  WE PLAYED LIKE CRAP!  WE KNOW WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.  NO EXCUSES!

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Are you a coach or something?  Did you break down the game film? 
According to this, we played like "crap" and still scored 60 and won by 25.  Imagine if we had just played OK.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Unfortunately, if has an impact on a hypothetical choice poll voters might have between undefeated OSU and undefeated Baylor. Not to mention choices between undefeated OSU and undefeated Alabama/FSU - that ship has long since sailed. There are only two spots in the NCG. Given OSU's overall body of work this year, it's not surprising they have to count on teams ahead of them losing. It is what it is - at least there's a reasonable chance.

OSUnathen's picture

Anyone not a Buckeye fan won't know and won't care about how many defensive player missed the game. He is right, no excuses! We let Illinois shred our defense??

bosshawk's picture

You got it!  Our motto has to be "NO EXCUSES!"

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

741's picture

I am perfectly content if an undefeated Buckeyes team plays Stanford in the Rose Bowl if Alabama and/or FSU also go undefeated.

buckeyedude's picture

I would not be "perfectly content" if OSU goes undefeated and doesn't get to play in the national championship game. But I will not lose an ounce of sleep over it either. It's out of our control.

 

 

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

I hate to admit it but there is a tiny part of me that would feel just a bit smug if a really pissed-off team on a 40 game win streak kicked the holy hell out of someone in the 2014 NC game after being snubbed this year.

SgtMdx's picture

How could anyone be "perfectly content" to have their team go 25-0 over a two year span and not get a shot at the NC? This is a team that started the season #2 and hasn't lost a game! the pollsters knew our schedule before the season started and still voted us #2. I'm not saying the B1G bashing isn't fair, it  may be but, this was a known metric entering this season.

The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.
Gen. John "Black Jack" Pershing, U.S. Army
 

kareemabduljacobb's picture

True, but even they couldn't have seen how bad the B1G overall was going to be outside the top 3 of us, MSU and Wisky... not to mention our biggest, at least name wise OOC opponent in Cal laid an egg this year and are 1-10, not to mention our D gave up 34 points to them!!  Cal has only scored more than that once this year, and that was 37 to an FCS team... not good in their eyes.  Being the #2 team, we needed to win by a lot more.  That had 40+ point win written all over it had Bama or FSU played them, we needed to do the same.   And now our D gives up 35 to an awful Illini team doesn't look good as well.
 
Hell our D has given up 30+ points in 3 games this season... our opponents record in those games?
Cal 1-10....  18 pt win.
NW 4-6...... 10 pt win (thanks to TD as time expired when they were doing laterals)
Illini 3-7....... 25 pt win (thanks to 2 late Hyde TDs to extend the score to make it look better, although the game was a blowout but if not for those TDs would have looked a lot closer and worse than it did)
 
That's why we're dropping.  Bama and FSU would have killed all 3 of those teams, and not given up half the points we did.

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Well we haven't given up 40+ yet, which Bama has done.

"If you root for Michigan, the terrorists win."

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Ha very true, but AM is better than anyone we've played and have the best player in College football, as well as a really good O.  I'd almost argue giving up 34 to Cal is a lot worse than what Bama gave up to AM.  Cal is 1-10, and have only scored more than 34 once this season and that was 37 to an FCS team.

1MechEng's picture

If we're being honest about that game, Cal is a shell of the team that they were 6 weeks ago as they have been completely decimated by injuries.
 

D. Anthony's picture

I was just about to post NO EXCUSES... tired of seeing comments about who's hurt here and there...everyone has injuries. this is a teams who hasn't won in the BIG for years!!! we look bad on O, D and the coaches missing spot challenges and uncreative play calling etc. Braxton's been off all day, over thrown every down field pass by 5+ yards.
We'd lose to UM and MSU with this effort.

D. Anthony

bosshawk's picture

Amen Brother!  What will it take for these guys to understand what is at stake?  Who do we blame?  These athletes are too talented to deliver such a lackluster uninspired performance.
 

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

brylee's picture

fire meyer AND FICKELL!!!

Baroclinicity's picture

We score 60 and won by 25.  Why panic? 
We've known the defense is less than perfect all season long now.
We're worried that the style points aren't there... if the state of our BCS championship hopes are that fragile, it's likely not going to happen anyways without lots of help.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

bosshawk's picture

We cannot afford to have that attitude.  NO EXCUSES! 

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

Baroclinicity's picture

It's not in our hands.  Simple as that.  We won.  By 25.  We scored 60.  We didn't look great.  We were in zero danger of losing.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

D. Anthony's picture

If you're looking for a silver lining...Braxton has to know he needs to come back next year if he wasn't sure.

D. Anthony

BuckeyeKing02's picture

Agreed.  We aren't earning the privilege of being considered elite on a national stage.  Just a bad day...Brax couldn't get in rhythm, defense didn't exist and Drew Basil even missed a PAT (was going for nearly 100 straight).  Thank God for Carlos Hyde.  He's been our offensive leader ever since the Northwestern game.  Give him the MVP!

bosshawk's picture

Carlos Hyde is bailing us out.  He is keeping us in the discussion.  If we make it to the National Championship believe me.  We owe it to him.

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

buckeyedude's picture

This is one comment I can agree with, BOSSHAWK. Without El Guapo and his guaranteed 5/6 ypc, we could lose the B1G CG. OSU's offense isn't the same without Hyde. We are loaded at RB, but nobody is even close to the talent that El Guapo is. We're going to need him big vs. MSU. That's looking like the matchup for the CG.
But having said that, you guys really need to step away from the ledge. My God. What would you do if God forbid, OSU lost a game?

 

 

johnblairgobucks's picture

What would you do if God forbid, OSU lost a game?

741's picture

Look, there was no way in hell OSU was going to jump over Alabama or FSU if they go undefeated. Why sweat OSU's DEF allowing Illinois to score some points today. 
Win your regular season games. Beat MSU in the B1G championship. Let the rest play itself out.

bosshawk's picture

Agreed!  But here's the problem.  Things will play themselves out for sure.  Bama and FSU could be surprised in the next couple weeks but the last thing you want is Baylor, Stanford, or whoever leap froging the Buckeyes into the BCS Championship.  It we don't win impressively that is what will happen.  Hopefully, our best player MR. HYDE bailed us out today.  i hope we don't lose ground in the polls.

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

741's picture

IF Alabama stumbled (which may actually happen), or IF Florida State stumbled (doubtful with the schedule ahead of them), and IF Baylor makes it through their remaining schedule it may make for an interesting national conversation.
I happen to think that IF Ohio State wins the B1G Championship against an MSU team that might well be ranked in the top 10 by then, and IF either Alabama or FSU drop a game, we will make the BCS NC game.
We will have to see how many of these if's come to pass, and hopefully in the mean time not be too irritated by our panties being in a bunch.
 

741's picture

Baylor may go down TONIGHT!
(Sips on a situational bourbon.)

741's picture

OK, way wrong on Baylor, but looking like Stanford is about to lose...

Goalscorer9's picture

^^thank you! My thoughts exactly.  Everyone is getting really worked up over something that probably will not matter at all.  We won our 22nd straight game today, this one on the road, by 25 points.  I don't need to make excuses because none need to be made.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

OP
Not sure if you know much about football given your comments.
The O hung 53/60 on them even though Brax did not throw the ball well. We scored enough points to win even when we couldnt execute the passing game.
We had our first special teams screw up.
The problem was our linebackers. Perry and Grant's replacements were picked on all day and there wasn't a thing we could do about it. The QB draws, crossing routes and play action fakes were targeted at this weakness. Burrows and Burger were biting on play fakes and not dropping back into coverage at the correct depth. They over-pursued, were out of place and were not effective when they tried to blitz. Any coach would know that we arent deep enough at LB to replace the two starters in less than a week.
The sky aint falling, enjoy the win

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OSUnathen's picture

And you sound even less knowledgable than the OP when you believe that this win over Illinois will make us look good with the non OSU bias voters that are gonna laugh at the fact that Illinois put 35 on us. They don't care if the whole defense was hurt or that it was windy. We let arguably one of the many horrible B1G  score 35 on us and stay in the ball game cause we can't play decent enough defense. Do really think that the national opinion or the non OSU bias voters are gonna take these things into consideration. We could have put up 70 but when you give up 35 points to the bottom dwellers of the B1G it doesn't look good.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Clearly, you are drinking the same radiator fluid as the OP. Have another few swigs.
Ohio State is thin at linebacker, two of our starters got injured and Illinois pounced all over that weakness. You can be as pissed off as you want over the fact that there weren't two capable replacements, but there weren't. That was why the D underperformend today. Deal with it.
If you spend your life worrying about voters rather than enjoying a win, they you should seek psychiatric help: soon
 

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

OSUBias's picture

If you can't enjoy a 22 game win streak, I can't help you. Neither can the Buckeyes. It's never good enough for some of you. Bet you wish you rooted for one of the many other teams with a similar win streak, huh

Shitter's full

saltybuck61's picture

Stanford should not be included in the conversation. I know they will be by the media, but they lost to Utah, who is right there with Illinois. If they get a free pass for that game, then Ohio State should get a free pass for this game. Ohio State won the game. It was frustrating, but at the end of the day, they won. Stanford did not.

741's picture

That said, they would make a formidable Rose Bowl opponent. I would not be disappointed to see that matchup.

saltybuck61's picture

I couldn't agree more. It would be a good game to watch. I just don't think that they should jump the Buckeyes having lost already.

741's picture

There's no way Stanford with a loss gets to the BCS NC over an undefeated Ohio State.

Goalscorer9's picture

The defense gave up 28 points (the other 7 were on the special teams).  They scored 9 (safety and pick 6).  So the defense was net -19 on the field.  That's not really all that bad, as Illinois, though a bad team, has an average offense.  If you're going to act like the sky is falling when your defense is -19 against an average offense, you're going to spend a lot of your life disappointed and with an abnormally high blood pressure.

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

We might also want to mention the fact that:
1.  Scheelhaase is a Senior who is at the top of the B1G in passing this year.
2.  Scheelhaase ran the ball like a pro...  and we had no film on that to prepare for.
3.  We won by 25.
Quit complaining about this team.  THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT A 25 POINT WIN.

JKH1232's picture

I find no reason to excuse a 25 point win on the road with 440 yards rushing.  Honestly, at this point, if you're flipping your shit that a depleted defense on the road gave up 35 points to a pretty desperate team looking for one good thing to happen this season, you need to reexamine your life.
Every team has bad games along the way.  If you walk out with a four score win on you bad day, take it.

OSUnathen's picture

You act as if this was the first bad performance by this defense? It is a trend and worthy of tasteful criticism. Yeah some people go overboard with the negative stuff but it is a major concern. It's not like the non OSU bias voters are gonna care if we had a few guys out or that it was windy and cold? They will see 35 points to a team that hasn't won a B1G game in two years and judge accordingly. We r in a tight tight race in the BCS polls and we have to destroy teams like Illinois. 

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Tasteful criticism? More like unbridled, uninformed hysteria. Deal with it

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

buckeyedude's picture

if you're flipping your shit that a depleted defense on the road gave up 35 points to a pretty desperate team looking for one good thing to happen this season, you need to reexamine your life.

I couldn't agree with this more, JKH1232. It's my experience that the younger the fan is, the more they take a close losswin personally(if you consider 25 points close). I think the young ego is way to involved for some of you. You're acting like the OSU team played poorly just to piss YOU off, personally. Folks, you really need to enjoy life a little. Go spend some time with your family or your dog or cat.
Years from now when you're dead, it ain't going to matter whether or not OSU played a bad game vs. Illinois on 11/16/2013.

 

 

Buckeyeneer's picture

Seriously. Some of our fans are becoming a little spoiled with all of the teams success. If this were a Tressel team and the score were the same, everyone would be ecstatic.

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Hovenaut's picture

Man.

2011 wasn't that long ago.

All is well my friends.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I am not very smart.

USMC11917's picture

Hove I will probably get thrashed for pointing this out and let me be clear, I hold you in as high regard as everyone else around here but 2011 never changed my expectations for an Ohio State team. I look at that year as an anomaly not a measuring point for our current teams success. I don't think our ambitions should ever just be to be better than 2011, it should be to be the best in the nation. That should be evident in our play. If this was the first rough game of the season, because of the circumstances surrounding our the team this day then we could argue the point that it was just one bad/tough  game. If you look at all of our games collectively, I am starting to see the image that the naysayers are trying to paint materialize. I don't like that.

bosshawk's picture

Thank you for stating your point so well.  When does Ohio State ever settle for mediocrity?  We're better than that.  Today, no one gives our entire conference any respect.  We are highly DISREGARDED by the pundits.  To them we're just another Ohio State team that will take a real "shellacking" if we play an elite team in a Bowl game.  They don't believe in us and they don't believe in our conference.  That's why 5, and 4-star athletes will wait in line to play in conferences other than the B1G.  That is public perception and that needs to change.  Only will that change when Ohio State changes it.  Unfortunately, it's up to the Buckeyes and Urban Meyer to change it.
I can't believe how many Buckey fans are simply satisfied with basking in a 22 game win streak.  What is a 22 game win streak but a 22 game win streak?  I'm sorry but if we're not holding up a crystal football at the end of our streak I will be a little disappointed.  Won't you?

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

LeftCoastBuck's picture

This team can only beat the team across the field, as scheduling decisions driving SoS were made years ago.
You really don't understand why anyone would bask in a 22 game win streak do you? If we have a 90% chance of winning on any given weekend including against Wisky, scUM, etc, then the chance that OSU could go 22-0 is only ~9%
Pretty damned impressive....especially when they started off as a 6-7 group two years ago

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

OSUnathen's picture

And the defense of our average defense continues. I think the critical opinions of the defense are warranted. I can enjoy another OSU win like everyone else and I can give an honest opinion of a struggling defense. Isn't this what these website are for? Tastefully made arguments/ critical opinions are OK in my book.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

But you aren't offering insightful criticism at all. You are whining that we screwed up and hurt ourselves with the voters. We didn't screw up, our lack of depth at linebacker was exposed.
Deal with it

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

OSUnathen's picture

Ok then explain the other games where the defense under performed? Was Roby fighting a cold in that Wisc game? Did Grant and Perry eat to much before the game? Maybe our secondary had there nails done before the Northwestern game and could tackle because of it? This isn't the first bad performance from the defense. Deal with it!

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Since you don't believe my comments, maybe you should go back and review Ross Fulton's view of Roby's performance against Wisky; he was dead on. Roby was put on an island against Abbrederis but also given a primary run defense assignment. We completely strangled Wisky's ability to run at the expense of giving up receiving yards. Roby didn't play that well, but the scheme responsibilities were difficult.
Grant and Perry didn't play today. Perry nearly split his head open on the ice the other day and Grant has a high ankle sprain.
Northwestern used their bye to do a great job of preparing for us and exposed our soft zone coverage and lack of line stunting and LB blitzes. I don't know why the staff made those decisions but they did.
Did you graduate from grade school, or are you just illiterate?
....eat too much....not eat to much.
....their not there.....
....couldn't not could.....
I am dealing with the great things this team does, and its weaknesses just fine. I am happily celebrating a win that was a little frustrating at times.
Go BUCKS
 
 
 

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

OSUnathen's picture

You got me I am unable to read or write, I went to public school. what is your reason for  sounding like such a jerk? You can disagree with what I have to say but is it really worth being a jerk with your comments? Prozac? Illiterate?  Sounds like your trolling for a name calling feud. People have opinions and just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to play the bully game. I respect your opinions and have been respectful with my commenting but you have to make this into a name calling bullying thing? This isn't High School anymore bro! 

LeftCoastBuck's picture

I went to public school as well. However, I learned to read and write very well and developed critical thinking skills.
Let me help refresh your memory on a key point. You jumped into the middle of a response that I made to a rant from another poster. This particular poster has been on here two years and has a grand total  of -9 helmet stickers for good reason. In your post, you said that I sounded like I did not know anything about football because I ignored "what the voters think," yet offered no reasonable argument that ran counter to the points I made. You threw out the first insult in our interaction and are now trying to say "I started it." Nice try at obfuscation, but it wont work.
I never called you a name, although I correctly called your writing skills into question. Res Ipsa as the lawyers say. I asked whether you graduated from grade school or were illiterate. Although that was a question and not an assertion, I can understand why you became so defensive.
A bully? Lol.....I am not threatening to take your lunch money. Your Bro? Not a chance.
So "bring it," withdraw, or ignore me. I don't care which course of action you take.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

USMC11917's picture

No one is complaining about the win. We are all happy to notch another victory. Simply put, if you are only worried about the W-L column then your expectations for this team and staff are not to be champions. In order to grow and be the best you have to practice everyday like the best. You have to play every day like the best. You have to strive for perfection. I am not overly emotional about the play today though I am thrilled for the win, but it has stripped me of the outrage I would feel if we went undefeated and didn't make the national championship game. I understand that there are reasons for the results on the field today, but we did not collectively play like champions. Outstanding effort by a few guys but I predict very few players that grade out as champions aside from Hyde and Bosa.
Congratulations for the win today Buckeyes!! Lets play better against Indiana. They are more dangerous on Offense and will put points on the board.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

If anyone asked the question about where injuries would hurt us the most, it would be the linebacker position. It happened this week and we paid for it against Illinois.
The best thing about being 22-0 is the chance to go 23-0

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

bosshawk's picture

Obviously, you would be fine with a permanent bowl ban on Ohio State football.  "Simply continue to play one game at a time and savor each win."  It gets no better than a win streak. 
Oh......your excuse......we are weak at linebacker?  Why are we weak at linebacker?  Is it coaching?  Is it player development?  What is the problem?  Last I checked all of these athletes are 3, 4, and 5 star athletes.  They have arms, legs, and all their fingers and toes.  One even stated he can run a 4.35 40.  I know one linebacker is 6'3 and 247.  He has even longjumped over 25 ft.  These linebackers are superb athletes.  Matter of fact, one of our star recruits at the linebacker position was red shirted this year.  If we are considered so thin at the position why did that happen?
Believe me when I tell you i am glad it was a W and not an L.  But it wasn't pretty.  These young men are capable of so much more.  I know it. They know it.  NO EXCUSES!  PLEASE!
Allow these men to play up to their potential.  Encourage and motivate them to excellence.  That was the intent of this blog.

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

LeftCoastBuck's picture

You know, I hear BS all the time about excuses, but very few people know the difference between an excuse and an explanation. An excuse contains an attempt to avoid personal responsibility, but an explanation does not. Your definition of no excuses seems to imply a guarantee of perfection. I hate to break it to you but that is not going to happen in football.
Shazier can run a 4.35 40 and should be a consensus All America this year. But let me help you with something else; physical gifts are necessary but not sufficient to be a great player in college. Why do you think that Zach Boren was able to jump into the linebacker spot last year? Because he WAS an all state linebacker in HS and had already successfully made the physical and mental transition to the college game. Thinking at game speed and reading your keys while fighting off blocks from 300lb linemen is damn tough.
So why are we weak at linebacker? There are 3 reasons: 1) we didn't recruit enough guys years ago to get a group of upperclassmen on the field this year, 2) some of them haven't developed as quickly as we needed (Grant years ago and now our two redshirt freshmen; Mike Mitchell and Tyquan Lewis) and now 3) injuries have forced us to put a true freshman (Cam Burrows) on the field with a walk on (Burger). Why did we have to redshirt those kids? They weren't ready for prime time yet, that is why. It is extremely rare that a true Frosh is ready for the field that year...especially at LB. If memory serves me correctly, the last guy to do it was Katzenmoyer and that was a very long time ago. Meyer is going to do what is right for the kids and for the program and if it means he has to have a weakness in the performance of the team, he'll do it rather than turn into a Brian Kelly-esque screaming lunatic
You are taking a pile of DVs on this because reasonable members of 11W understand that your "no excuses" rant is just unfounded criticism

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OSUnathen's picture

Your X's and O's explanation are right on and I see the very same reasoning behind why are defense doesn't perform to an excellent level or an elite level by any means. Does it it really matter that you've unlocked the secrets to why our defense struggles or that our weakness is LB depth? The point is that the defense isn't good anyway you'd like to sell it. Depth at LB? We have one solid LB in Shazier and a bunch of other guys that are a work in progress. We got torched with them playing and without so why does that matter? So bravo on the in depth explanations but bad defense is still bad defense.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Perry and Grant's play combined with a more aggressive stunt/blitz package were the reasons why we've had a better D the past two weeks. Without Perry and Grant, we are hamstrung despite more aggressive defensive schemes.

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bosshawk's picture

Laurinaitis and Shazier both had significant time on the field as frosh.  Also, didn't Hawk and Carpenter make significant contributions during their frosh campaigns?
Oh, and who declared you reasonable? 
My "No Excuses" rant as you call it is simply to encourage and motivate.  I'm sure Urban and his staff will be much more emphatic than I.  This team has great ability and potential.  I simply would like to see them live up to it.  GO BUCKS!

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Laurinaitis didn't start a game as Freshman. Shazier did start 3 games, but only after Sweat got injured. Hawk and Carpenter did not start either. It is one thing to start and work without a net so to speak, and quite another to back up a starter and play at the coaches discretion when game conditions allow it.
Look at your total pile of DVs on this (and any other subject for that matter) and you will find your answer about who the board thinks is reasonable.
Who are you trying to motivate and encourage with your rant: fans, players or coaches? Clearly, the players and coaches certainly won't care a bit about what you say. So what are you trying to motivate the fans to do?

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

bosshawk's picture

Pay close attention you condescending "clodplate".  Your line of reasoning means that the majority is always right.  Am I correct?  Historical record certainly shows that not to be true. 
Think of all those people in the 15th century that thought the earth was flat.  Thank goodness there was a Chris Columbus. 
I could care less about the number of DV's I have on a message board.  Positive interchange is always good.  REASONABLE people can benefit from such interactions.  When you're busy hurling insults at persons that don't agree with your line of thought and correcting their grammar you don't gain that much.  The only thing you gain is people knowing just how obtuse you are. Chill out!  It's not that serious.  It's only a blog spot.
Believe it or not I've been fortunate enough to motivate quite a few Buckeye players and coaches over the years.  I count that as a real privilege indeed.
I don't know.  Maybe a jerk like you wouldn't understand that.  Especially since you can't distinguish a so-called rant from an articulated opinion.

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Am I correct?  Historical record certainly shows that not to be true.

Unintentional humor.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

That was actually the best part of his entire post.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

LeftCoastBuck's picture

In your case, and to quote Abraham Lincoln, "tis better to be silent and merely be thought a fool rather than open one's mouth and remove any remaining doubt.
Condescending Clodplate? Moi? I am sure that you had to google that a few times before mis-spelling it in your post. The correct term is Clodpate. While we are on the subject of the correct usage of english words, the word articulated could either mean some sort of joint (an elbow is an example) or words that are spoken. If you meant to say that you were expressing an articulate opinion instead, you should have said so.
You questioned why I thought I was reasonable. I replied that many, many people have down-voted you over the two years you've been on 11W and that the DVs were piling up on your latest rant. This statement strongly implied that the 11W community doesn't think much of your posts, making my opinion part of the majority. Clearly, you have not garnered much respect from the user community here. How could you say "positive interchange is good" when you have a negative number of helmet stickers? The TTUN posters such as M Man, Hello_Heisman etc., have more credibility here than you do. Why would you even post here if the opinions of other members didn't matter to you?
I'll skip over your "world is flat" argument. I would feel stupid even replying to something that ridiculous.
I don't believe that you've motivated any players or coaches at OSU to do anything other than get as far away from you as possible if they should encounter you "in the wild." You've maxed out my BS detector with that one.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

bosshawk's picture

No.  I meant "Clodplate".  Do some further research.
Maybe I should have expressed in vernacular more familiar to you.  MORON, DIMWIT, DODO, DOOFUS, etc.
Also, via Webster:
"To fit together into a coherent whole; unify: a plan to articulate nursing programs throughout the state."
Articulation can be more than a verbal expression.  GO BUCKS!

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Clodplate is not a word, and no further research is necessary. You should also know that articulated is not the past form of articulate, but it it is obvious that your room-temperature IQ puts that concept beyond your grasp as well.
You probably should tune your tinfoil hat to something other than Sesame Street the next time you try to insult me. I'm sure if there were kindergarteners on the site, you'd get your precious style points for using words like "doofus." Unfortunately, it looks like you've merely piled up a few more DVs instead. Good luck with that.
I see that you've dropped your BS story about "motivating" buckeye players and staff. Good for you! A gold star for "less BS"

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

OSUnathen's picture

Wow such well thought out and decisive words you have for a fellow Buckeye fan. Are you the bully in your High School or are you the one who gets constantly bullied? My guess is that you are the receiver? You mince such  structured and complicated posts but I think deep down your just an insecure d-bag who looks to bash posters cause it makes him feel better? You think your smart but as an older gentleman all I read into your posts is someone looking to demoralize another one for a simple opinion. So keep feeding your shallow ego and make sure to point out all of the grammatical errors in everyone's posts because you are just that smart and paid attention in High School English class last week. 

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Clearly, you are feeling defensive about your ability to read, write and reason in an exchange of posts between adults. Your last post was so illiterate that it was comical and your "bullying" argument is nothing more than gorilla dust; a thinly veiled attempt to confuse the issue.
The issue is that you jumped into the middle of a discussion that you weren't part of and became upset when I responded. You also put up another forum post that I responded to later which was on the same subject. The fact that you and "Bosshawk" are ideological brothers only serves to confirm that you are both fools. I don't suffer fools well, but will generally ignore them, until they post the first challenge; which you did twice.
I don't relish the idea of getting into a battle of wits with an unarmed man, but in your case I will make an exception if you continue to provoke me. Go have a beer or two, enjoy the win and leave me alone.
 
 

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

OSUnathen's picture

Who wouldn't get defensive about being told over and over that they can't read or write? I am a fairly nice guy and I rarely engage in petty arguments on this website but you are just way to much of a prick to not indulge. I'm not perfect and I do not always use the correct grammar in my posts but I think the points being made are fairly clear.  Now that I know you are dissecting my posts for errors I will try harder to clean them up for you. For the record you started with the disrespect when you started talking down to me  a few posts ago. I find it to be comical when I see guys disrespect others guys on this website. I always believe in talking/treating others on this website with the  same respect that I would if I was  in a face to face conversation. I'll leave you alone cause I don't want to challenge you and your superior intellect in a battle of wits. 

OSUnathen's picture

Is this the guy from Good Will Hunting with the ponytail. Do you like apples?

OSUnathen's picture

 Shazier is a stud but Grant/Perry are a distance from his talent/instincts. I've seen both of them play very poorly this year so not sure that because they sat out it really devastated our defense today.Grant has issues in coverage situations and looks out of position often. He plays the run well and can blitz well but he has a long way to go till I'd call him a solid LB. Perry is solid against the run but he's off the field in any passing situation. He will be good one  just a matter of time. I've seen this defense get torched in the middle with these guys and without so I'm not buying that excuse.

LeftCoastBuck's picture

OSU's D went from 2 improving LBs and a star in the base D to 2 complete rookies with a star. Beckman did the smart thing....he picked on them all day and didn't let up because we couldn't make them stop.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

My take is similar to others here: the defense has problems for sure, but the sky isn't falling either. I'm at total peace with us being left out. The system played in our favor many, many times while it has been in place. If we get "screwed" in the last year, we'll get over it. Let's try and win the rose bowl, not send 2 big ten teams to the BCS and try and help the league's image this season. It, and enjoy not having lost in two years

buckeyedude's picture

Exactly UBHomer.  In 1973 OSU tied TTUN and OSU got to go to the Rose Bowl. (Boy was Bo pissed!).  The Tiebreaker.

 

 

harleymanjax's picture

I think that what he was saying is, we all know that the injuries on defense, and the wind were the reasons why Illinois put up 35 points.........BUT the national media will not give the Buckeyes any excuses! They have been looking for ANY reason to say that OSU deserves to be jumped, and todays game will be reason enough!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

AlphaMaleBettor's picture

60 points in a very subpar effort with 3 starters on defense out, in an away road game against the leading passer in the conference.
Not bad.

DannyBeane's picture

I am sick and tired of hearing about style points. As far as I am concerned winning is winning. We had an off day and still won by 25 points. This is how I feel about your style points

bosshawk's picture

Unfortunately of fortunately (however you care to look at it) 'STYLE POINTS" is part of the equation.  You apparently don't care about the overall success of this Buckeye team.  Just continue the winning streak.  Right?  That's like going to work every day and not expecting a check at the end of the week.  Don't you want your reward?

I don't know what Kenny Guiton has done to get in the OSU doghouse and not be given an opportunity but obviously it was something pretty bad. Come on!  Joe can't do it.  Nothing against Joe but he is not equipped to lead the Buckey

DannyBeane's picture

Style points mean absolutely dick. If Alabama and FSU don't lose, we won't jump them anyway. Stanford is not going to jump us with a loss to UTAH and Baylor will lose a game before the end of the year. I'm going to enjoy winning instead of worrying about not winning enough. Go Buckeyes.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

We won 60-35, Baylor won 63-34. No one will say shit about the Baylor defense struggling though. Style points don't mean shit. We won't move up unless someone else loses. Baylor won't jump us either. Maybe the top 4 win out and congress forces a playoff? I can dream

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

buckeyedude's picture

I actually feel sorry for people that look a game like this and are still not happy. Life is too short. It's a game. It's a game that we are fans of but have no control in the outcome. Back in the 90s we lost to TTUN on a regular basis. Maybe you were still in diapers back then but I remember it well.
Don't worry, be happy. Man.

 

 

741's picture

Didn't JT say something along those lines a few years ago about unhappy people? 

Alhan's picture

Rabble, rabble, rabble! I'm so angry we won by 25.

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

4thandinches's picture

Ohio State did not score at least a 100 points, fact!
Our defense allowed them to have positive passing AND rushing yards?!?!
We only beat them by 25 points!?
We must then be terrible! Fire Urban!

I wasn't born a Buckeye but I became one as fast as I could. 

Toilrt Paper's picture

I CAN NOT believe how our backside DE gets sucked in and does not protect against a bootleg among other plays. I assume they have been told 100's of timethat it is a waste of time to chase a play to the opposite side of the field from behind. I did that ONCE and got burned, never again. Once you are SURE nothing is coming back your way, you NEVER chase, you set a pursuit angle down field.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

It's funny how these foolish threads keep popping up. Do I want a better defensive showing against a below average team? Of course. Do I realize that if we had JT we never score like we do.... yep.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

97Buckeye's picture

When the OP finally hits -200 helmet stickers, will he get banned? I'm tired of the insanity.

Haybucks's picture

An offense or defense steps up to win "close" games. Our offense played well enough to compensate for defensive lapses. This is how Baylor stayed in their game against Texas Tech. Their D came through when their offense struggled.  We're very good every game and great when both units and special teams are hitting on all cylinders. 

You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. - Irish proverb

 

Buckeye777's picture

Our defense seems to regress often! No one on that side of the ball has truly stepped up as a leader!  By leader I mean the heart of a champion like HYDE.  He is a beast and leads by example!  How many hard hits have I seen this year from Roby or Shazier????  Really Ihave  seen more hard hits from the offensive side of the football.  Ezekiel lliot on special teams Carlos Hyde running over people!!  Our defense lacks any purpose or identity, yes we have an identity crisis on defense and I blame the coaches for most of it...under Tressel with the same players on defense we would see a much more potent, power, silver bullet charge with a passion to knock the heads of the opposing team!!!  I played football for many years, and when I watch FSU and Alabama on Defense I see what we use to have..PHYSICALITY, POWER, SPEED with a purpose of disposing of the person carrying the football....not this year,,,, I have watched very closely on our last 4 games the linebackers and defense as a WHOLE is playing on their heels,,,  not attacking!!!  Outside of a few players Bosa, and a couple other lineman (prompts to Vrabel) Those interior lineman have an identity and they know their jobs, they are just young,,, but at least they are progressing each week, and are definitely NOT our weakness on defense!  Our linebackers and DB are not closing the running gaps and holes quick enough the running back is 4 yards up field before our linebacker/DB is on them, not acceptable, look at Baylor or Bama, or FSU for that matter I have watched all of their games the past few weeks they all get to the running lane at the same time the running back enters the hole.  Until our defensive backs and linebackers become what they should be we will not be able to stop a running game let alone a good passer!!!!  We have to become more physical and impose our will against offenses....

Buckeye1

Buckeye777's picture

Has Roby or Shazier had a completely GREAT game???  I say no, and why is that bothersome....because they haven't had a dominating performance in any single game this year and they are the defensive Captains!  They should have had dominated against teams like...
Purdue, Illinois, NW, Iowa, come on man those teams are weak...they should have come up with some huge hits or great interceptions....nope they did not.   Great players play great all the time.
Example Carlos Hyde, Bosa, and maybe a few others.  I see them playing 110% on every play!
 
We need some swagger, some one to step up and say we are going to DOMINATE!!!!
 
Not just be good our do enough good things to be graded out good the the game films...no  ,,,,DOMINATE!!!!  on every down as though it was your last play in life!
 
We have the talent that Baylor has, we even have the talent that FSU, and Bama have on the Defensive side of the ball, we are just playing to grade out ok on game film!!! Don't make mistakes just grade out ok on game film with coaches,,,,we need a Dominating Defense or at least play to your potential,,, watching the games it looks like a horse that is all strong and bulit to run but when the ball is snapped it's legs are tied up and it looks confused,,,,, enough said.
 
 

Buckeye1

ChazBuckeye's picture

This article may help your opinion and statement about Shazier (just click on the red link in case you need accommodations).  You do know he had 16 tackles on Saturday, correct?  I'd say no based on what you said above...not to mention Roby had a pick 6 and played ok.  Not to the level all of us would like to see, but he did have a score on D, which is nice.

 

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

ChazBuckeye's picture

To Bosshawk:
 

 

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

teddyballgame's picture

You'd think some of these guys get paid to argue about style points on the internet rofl

Buckeye777's picture

Agree that we have a good defense, However with that being said;   I just don't believe they are playing to their potential but rather to the opponents level.  Grade "C" for the coaches.

Buckeye1

ChazBuckeye's picture

The coaches don't play....the players do.  And personally, I saw a lack of effort in the second half by the players, not the coaches.  Look at the way they played on D in the first halve, then compare it to the effort (or lack there of) in the second.  I'd hope after that, you'll have changed your mind.  If not, I personally don't know how else to explain it to you....

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

Matt F's picture

I feel so much dumber having read through this thread. We haven't lost in two years and our team is stocked with talented athletes with a ton of heart. 
No excuses? How about no more undue criticism.

Actorjonnyb's picture

Can't stop the cool-aid drinkers from downvoting even with the obvious. Our defense is not very good. i have to believe the quality of athletes we have replacing the injured starters are on par with most of wisky's starting Defense (besides Borland) and yet they get the job done. We gave up 35 to Illini, which is ridiculous. I agree we have players with athleticism and heart...They just have less than stellar coaching.  I agree - NO EXCUSES!
 
Now cool-aid drinkers go ahead and down vote me...

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