Why Aren't We Baylor?

baddogmaine's picture
September 30, 2012 at 1:36p
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Holy cow did you see the Baylor - WV game? The Bears scored 63 points. Amazingly that is less than 10 over their season average - they've been lighting up the scoreboard all year. That might not have surprised us last year when RG3 was runing the show, but this year they're scoring 54 a game with a guy who had thrown a grand total of 15 passes before this year. Nick Florence replaces Griffin and the team doesn't miss a beat. And none of the receivers and running backs generating the yardage are likely to be first round picks, this year or any year. Whoever is there makes it happen.

When teams score seemingly at will the offense is frequently mocked for being a "system." Usually this is directed at the QB, as in his numbers are inflated because of the "system" he's a part of. I've never understood this point. As the ads say most NCAA athletes are going to go pro in something other than athletics, and this is true of qurterbacks as well as third-team interior linemen. In order to average 54 pooints a game an unheralded Nick Florence and his team-mates still need to know what they are doing, still need to be able to execute, and the offensive game plan needs to be such that the other guys don't know what they are doing. "System" is another word for a well-oiled machine designed to destroy opposing defenses.

Let's be honest - didn't most of us expect that offensive wizard Urban Meyer was going to turn us into something like Baylor? It can be said that Bayler has not exactly faced a murderer's row of defenses. I agree with Reese Davis that the Baylor - WV game was painful to watch for real football fans because both defenses were there more in spirit than body. But Ohio State has also faced teams not known for smothering their foes and we struggled to score 28 against UAB. Baylor had 35 against WV at half-time. I get it that Miller was being kept on a short leash against UAB and maybe Cal as well, but the point is that an offense firing on all cylinders should still be able to move the ball even if one weapon is taken away. We have capable receivers, don't we? guys who can run routes and catch passes? we have capable offensive linemen who can pass protect and run block, don't we? We have running backs who can hit holes and break the ocassional tackle and drag defenders an extra yard or too? Our roster matches up with Baylor's, doesn't it? Our coaching staff is as good, isn't it? And if Baylor is enjoying the advantage recruiting in the State of Texas suerely we recruit as well as Nevada (fifth in offense in the NCAA with a schedule that included CAL and USF) and Marshall (sixth in the NCAA, against Purdue and Ohio U).

I don't know how to construct an offense, but I recognize when one is less than a well-oiled machine. We have had injuries at tailback but otherwise have had the offensive players we had been counting on. It was reasonable to expect that we might struggle somewhat against a defense as strong as Sparty's, but at 54th out of 120 in total offense we have been struggling statistically against everyone. And yes we are scoring better than we are accumulating yardage, but at 43rd nationally in scoring we're not doing that all that well either. Are we playing down to our opponents? are we building to a future when the machine clicks and bodies fly?

I was impressed with our final drive against MSU. That running to run out the final 4:10 was a thing of beauty. Games can be won playing that way. But the drive right before that last one, with the game still very much in doubt and time needing to be consumed, chewed up only 1:28. On the day we had only three drives that lasted more than three minutes. You don't need long drives if you score quickly, but we scored only three times, and one of those was a FG.  We are neither a quick strike nor a clock-killing team. We are a tremendously dynamic quarterback who can win games by himself - until he gets knocked out. He went down twice against MSU. Guiton was able to hand off enough to complete the first drive, Miller had MSU's possession to recover the second time, but if we continue to be almost totally dependent on Miller's running it is just a matter of time before he gets knocked down and doesn't get up right away. It doesn't matter if a future foes's defense is as "good" as the Spartans' - whoever we play can hit hard enough to hurt Miller. Is Guiton going to be Nick Florence to Miller's Grififin?

I'm not going to argue with 5-0. We were expected to be 4-0 before Saturday but several teams have  lost games they should have won and we didn't. That's a good thing, though it is only one win in pre-conference and four points in the conference opener better than last year's underwhelming team. This team is not last year's. But neither is it the offense many expected when Meyer came on board. I don't know why it isn't. But having watched Baylor score at will on Saturday I'd  like to know why we seem to have trouble scoring at all. Maybe it is fundemantally unsound to score 54 points a game. But I thought we would be doing better with Meyer in charge, and I still do.

What do you think?

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buckeyestu's picture

5-0 at this time, not going to nit pick.

Maceyko's picture

I know all of our expectations are high based on Urban's past and the media hype, but as bad as our offense was last year there was no way anyone could magically turn us into something like that quickly.  I think as the kids learn the system and he recruits the pieces to fit the puzzle we will eventually be scoring major points, but even then I sure hope we still have a DEFENSE because that Baylor game was ridiculously sad. I would rather see a team score 30-40 points and have a great defense than have a team scoring 50+ but giving up even more than that!  Either way I do think we will get there, but it's growing pains for now.  We get glimpses but no consistency and that has to drive the coaches crazy behind the scenes!!!!!! 

baddogmaine's picture

Since you mention defense I'm not fully understanding the praise for our defense either. We did a terrific job of stopping Bell - but it came at the expense of exposing our pass coverage yet again. Too often MSU drives stalled not because we broke up passes but because open Spartan receivers dropped good throws. And though it was clear that Maxwell did not do well under pressure we got pressure on him too little. We did get some pressure but we could have and should have brought even more. The reality is that our defense set a bad passer up for a 300+ yard day (had his good passes been caught), and in a low-scoring one point game the extra 50 yards culd have been the difference for MSU.
MSU was a running team that had some success throwing against us. Our test will be this week, facing a much more balanced offense and a QB who is having a great year. If we hold Nebraska to 16 points I'll join in the praise.

cplunk's picture

Time of possession is the most overrated stat in football. Urban's offense is  a work in progress, but already you can see what it is about; points. Touchdowns instead of field goals. 
My biggest yell at the screen moments with Tressl, who was a ridiculously great coach- don't get me wrong, we're when he would try to grind and run out the clock. You know what ends a game better than a long drive with runs chewing up the clock? Being up an extra score.
There is a time when those kind of drives are needed, but on the whole this team, and Buckeye fans in general, needs to develop that killer instinct. Forget about time, forget about trying to win by running out the clock, win by sticking a knife in your opponent's hopes. That's the biggest difference between the B1G and the SEC right now. Killer instinct. 

baddogmaine's picture

Time of possession is overrated - unless you're trying to run out the clock. We were very unlikely to run out the clock when we got the ball with 7:07 left, our offense isn't built that way, but at that point we had two objectives. Of course we'd like a TD to give us a working margin. But you'd be in small minority who would say that using up as much time as possible in that situation  was not worthwhile at all. The *real* objective was winning, by one if that's the only margin we can get, and if the way to do it is drain the clock while up by one that's the goal. It happened that we gave the ball back in under a minute and a half without making MSU use a single time-out and without "going for the kill." But had we thrown three incomplete bombs trying to get a quick seven and used up only 28 seconds that would have been a terrible possession in that situation.
And no, I can't see what Urban's offensive oibjective is, that's my point. We are 43rd in the country in scoring - Meyer is not getting points in great quantity. Every team would rather get TDs than FGs. Tres may have minded FGs less than Meyer. But based on what our team has done Meyer's objective is to run a rather bland series of plays and/ or let Miller free-lance, and if we go three and out over and over so be it.

cplunk's picture

You're confusing the results of his offense with the objective of his offense. 

BTwrestle04's picture

Tell that to Chip Kelly after the 2010 Rose Bowl. He thought the same thing and made himself look like an ass in the process.

Bj Mullens over Sully's picture

First year of a spread offense with players recruited to run power run football....give it time.

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buckeyestu's picture

guess some people can never be happy, i agree with bj mullens, give it time, give urban time to get the pieces to fit his kind of offense. my gosh. 5 games and some people want miracles. oh and by the way, i am glad we arent baylor, a team scores 63 points, and still loses?

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Now might be a bad time to point out the most important fact:
Ohio State w/ 17 points = W
Baylor w/ 63 points = L
It doesn't matter how many points you score as long as you have more points than the other team.

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Nick Florence was their QB in '09 when RG3 went down w/ injury.  His stats weren't impressive, but neither was Baylor at the time.  So he has more experience than the 15 passes, plus he's a Senior so he's gotta know the O pretty well.   His stats in '09 were:
Comp. Att. Yds   Comp %  Tds INTS

165 266 1786 62.0   6 9    

 

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Well that didn't work out how I wanted it too, but you get the point.

baddogmaine's picture

You're absolutely right about Florence's output in 2009. I checked his past stats and missed that year. My goof. So that undercuts part of my argument - that even someone inexperienced seems to work in Baylor's "system." But it still leaves the question: how can someone who has little game experience in his previous two years be producing at this level this year? It is one thing to know the offense theoretically, quite another to be able to execute under pressure, and even weak defense in a game situation is more pressure than practice. Plenty of seniors who have been waiting their turn are mediocre at best. How did Art Briles develop an offense that could function this well with Nick Florence and the present roster?
I agree with those saying they'd rather win 3-2 than lose 70-63. Of course. But we are not likely to win any game scoring just a FG. And the question is not what we need to do to win but whether Meyer is developing the kind of offense that Buckeye Nation expected from him. If this is just about style points then respond to the style points question if you'd like.

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

^^^That.

Give me one field goal the whole game, as long as the opponent ends up with a safety.

Nick's picture

I would guess we would put up about 50-60 point against a WVU or Baylor defense

BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

Easily.  That was the worst defense I've ever seen, including the Baylor bowl game from last year.   You say, "outstanding quarterback performance," I say, "defense is a lost art and this year's alleged defense from almost every time is embarasssing."
 

baddogmaine's picture

In 2011 Clemson gave up about 26 points per game. Not elite but pretty good scoring defense. West Virginia hung 70 on them in the bowl game. Was that the worst defense ever played, or an offense playing so well most defenses would have gotten burned? Saturday's Baylor - WV was bad defense, but not all scoring outbursts are bad defensive effort or concept. The question, which you don't answer, is whether you expected Meyer to create the kind of offense that could score 70 (or, let's not be greedy, 45) on a defense like Clemson's in 2011?

Statutoryglory's picture

Big 12 joke defenses have been inflating QB stats for the better part of ten years Look no further than the success McCoy gabbert white young weeden bishop etc have enjoyed in the NFL w the juries still out on Bradford tannehill and freeman.

Bolt's picture

You know what's funny? I'll bet Baylor fans are sitting around saying "why aren't we Ohio State? Why can't we be a perennial top 10 program in the nation with multiple nat'l championships to its credit?"

jestertcf's picture

Because we play real defense's, and we have a true sophmore QB with and no real number one receiver?

~Because we couldn't go for three~

buckeyestu's picture

i EXPECT coach meyer to win football games, not lose them if we put up 63 points. i dont care how many points we score, just win baby win. 5-0 looks good to me.
 

Buckeyejason's picture

Is this thread real life? How long did it take you to write that 4,000 character post?

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buckeyestu's picture

how did you calculate it was 4,000 characters? lol
 

Buckeyejason's picture

That was an exaggerated number lol

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buckz4evr's picture

I don't think you can judge the offense on that second to last series.  Remember, Miller was hurt and probably very tired.  That's why Urban's emotional speech and his challenge to Hyde ("Go win the game") was so crucial).  Hyde rose to the challenge in a very impressive fashion which helped secure the win.  The whole team, both offense and defense, took a huge jump forward in those last few minutes.  That is why I was so impressed with this win.  We haven't seen that kind of resolve to win in years.

dsbgobux's picture

Sorry, not interested in being Baylor (or WVU either) Sure it is nice to score 70, but holy cow! How about some pass defense! Give me the bucks and Urbz. 
 

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Buckeyejason's picture

Give me Tress and his 17-10 wins over high scoring losses...any day of the week. Don't fall for fools gold. 

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Colin's picture

Way too long, didn't read. The question alone makes me rage though. Why the heck would we want to be a team like Baylor?! They statistically have the worst defense in college football and they play other teams who are almost equally bad on defense so they put up big numbers. 
I'd take a good 24-17 game over anything like what happened this weekend. It's like the probowl, a complete joke.

OSUbonobo23's picture

What's fun about punting?

What's not fun about scoring touchdowns?

I would rather see osu score 70 and win by 7 than see them not even score a TD per quarter and win 24-17. 

You should try to read the article before you post. Plus, you don't always have to have a terrible defense with a great offense. Look at UF when Meyer was there or Oregon.

I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Remember that unstoppable Oregon offense in 2009? I do, and when they got stopped, it got ugly.

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Buckeyejason's picture

I'd take a good 24-17 game over anything like what happened this weekend. It's like NCAA FOOTBALL ON X-BOX , a complete joke.

fixed.

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immort9888's picture

Both WVU and Baylor have HCs that were coaches at Texas Tech under Mike Leach.  Both coaches run a "form" of the airraid offense with Briles actually employing the zone read to go along with the airraid pass plays.  The reason QBs (TTU was the same way under Leach) continue to be good without much of a drop off in the airraid system is because of the way they practice. The ball is always in the air, and 5 QBs are learning every read on every play in every practice.  The offense is a system but it is their system of practicing that makes them good.  
WVU runs a form of the airraid that combines run/draw/screen plays with passing plays like stick and snag that is new and innovative.  I think Ross touches on this in his segments.  With that said, it is the way they practice that really allows QBs, WRs and RBs prepare to throw and catch the ball in every drill, during the entire practice that makes them successful throwing the ball.  There are no stretching drills.  Warm-ups include WRs getting a release, QBs throwing the ball, and WRs catching the ball.  
The "system" does produce good QBs.  Look at Steve Young (BYU's offense evolved into the airraid).  The "system" does produce good WRs, see Wes Welker.  The airraid system includes the same plays OSU runs.  Snag is probably OSU's favorite pass play (along with half the NFL).  It is called 8 in the airraid system and is run almost as extensively.  The stick route is one of Drew's Brees favorite and best plays with the Saints.  In the airraid system it is called 618.  The airraid offense itself is not so innovative, but again, it is how they practice.    
The airraid isn't for everyone and typically works better at schools that have trouble getting the elite recruits.    

OSUbonobo23's picture

Well said.

I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.

baddogmaine's picture

Great answer! thank you! It leads to other questions. If it is possible to get back-up QBs prepared why don't other teams do it? How good is a system that makes us one serious injury to Miller from having to rely on a guy whose preparedness is not well known? especially if our offense is based on putting Miller in harms way?  It may be the practice system that makes back-ups ready but play design is a big part of what destroys opposing defenses, sometimes even good ones. Why wouldn't an offensive-minded coach like Meyer try to incorporate some of the airraid design into his version of the spread? and if he is why is our passing game so challenged? At 98th in the FCS, 11th in the B1G against four defenses that were not MSU this is more than just a sophomore QB and a team that had learned under Bollman, this is an inability to run a passing offense at all.

immort9888's picture

I think the reason most teams don't practice like WVU and Baylor is because they want to be able to run the ball.  You can't really have a power running game AND develop an airraid passing game with only 20 hours a week to practice.  There just isn't enough time. 
Another downfall or problem is that your defense RARELY sees a power running game in practice.  When the offense only practices the airraid, the defense only practices against this type of system (it apparently didn't help WVU's and Baylor's defense though). 
In my opinion, OSU shouldn't run the airraid.  Being able to run the ball effectively is easier and less risky when you have the better athletes.  We have the athletes to be able to run it down your throat (200 + yards against MSU is a great example of that).  Also, we have the athletes on defense to defend the spread, power running game, or whatever offense you could throw out there.  They might not be defending well, but we have the athletes.  5'11" quick receivers are all over the place.  4* and 5* offensive linemen and TEs only come around so often at the airraid schools. 
Remember, the airraid is like going ALL-IN on the passing game.  There is very little room for anything else.

Squirrel Master's picture

I am actually one person who thinks that if Braxton does go down, Guiton could step in and do the job. He isn't as dynamic as Braxton but I do believe he is more accomplished in throwing the football. I don't see that huge of a dropoff. It would just suck if Braxton goes down because I believe he needs as much time in this offense this year to become what we all envision next year.
 

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

Did you have a crystal ball when you wrote this, Purdue game?

Bolt's picture

Well said. The downside to dedicating every moment of practice to this airraid is that you tend to lose games even when scoring 63 points. This type of offense also puts a lot on the defense as they're going to be on the field more due to more plays being run per game when there's a quicker pace and less running game to grind out the clock. Also quicker scoring and 3 and outs without taking virtually any time off the clock wears out your defense. This is why these two teams that run this same offense can get off so many plays in and put so many points up. Less time being taken off the clock every drive, more plays to run. Taking more shots at the endzone. Garbage defenses that apprently receive no attention in practice. That's how a score turns out 70-63. That's not the kind of football I care to see.

immort9888's picture

Agreed.  More plays on defense = more yards and points given up.  Oregon has the same problem even though they run it from the spread.

Nkohl13's picture

I would be pissed if i was a baylor or even a wvu fan. I hate the way the media hyped the game up like it was the greatest game ever. That game was shit. Wvu should have dropped in the polls too. If you give up 63 points you are not a top ten team. Just like the media hyped the "defensive slugfest" with alabama lsu last year. This is not good football.
 

OSUbonobo23's picture

What is good football? The right amount of defense and offense?

Last year's game was terrible because the offensive game plans were crap. Nick Saban does  not run a great offense, he relies on having more talent than the other team and the defense to help win the game. I would take a high scoring affair where the defense is average or bad versus a tough defensive battle where points are at a premium. You can game plan all day, but the type of offense that Baylor and WVU and Ok State run, it can be tough to stop them no matter what, unless they turn the ball over themselves.

I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.

baddogmaine's picture

You can game plan all day, but the type of offense that Baylor and WVU and Ok State run, it can be tough to stop them no matter what, unless they turn the ball over themselves.

Exactly. Thus my question - why wouldn't a team try to develop an offense that is unstoppable by most defenses? The Buckeyes are 54th in the FCS, 5th in the B1G in total offense, much room to improve in both. And with our huge advantage in recruiting over many of the teams with better offenses, meaning we could get those players if we wanted them, why isn't our offense better? Growing pain - give us a year or two and we'll be GA if not WVA? Or our offensive design is not all that was hoped for?
Someone said that Saban doesn't care much about offense either, he wins with defense. But AL's defense is always Top 5, you don't need an offense when your oppenents will never score. But Meyer always has cared about offense, and at 10th in the B1G in total defense (even after the MSU game) we likely are going to need to be able to score to win, we are not going to be on the good side of 3-2 grinders.

immort9888's picture

WVU and Baylor would have a tough time against Alabama's defense and it isn't about game planning.  Pressure and super athletic secondary players would make it nearly impossible to be one dimensional against Alabama and score 30+ points.  In fact, I would guess it would be around 17-24.  WVU would get shredded by the power run game of Alabama because they do not see it, EVER, and because Alabama has better athletes. 

Bolt's picture

Good football is a team that wins and wins consistently. Baylor does not win and win consistently. Mike Leach and his airraid and disciples of such do not win and win consistently. Their offense might be fun to watch...but there's a reason they aren't running with the big boys on a consistent basis.

Boom777's picture

The big 12 doesn't believe in defense! They are the worst defensive coference!

Wherever you are, there you be!

Boom777's picture

And I would never want to be like Baylor! They suck!

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LouGroza's picture

I think the answer to your question could possibly be that the Baylors of CFB put every athlete they have available on offense and their defenses be damned. Where we share the wealth to provide both adequately. Every team has its share of very good players in todays college football. These teams load up their offenses in order to try to outscore opponents. To me it appears to be grasping at straws for these teams but it does provide them a chance at winning. Just a thought but it sure seems possible.

dancorona5's picture


All that work and I only read the title...and, still im able to tell you you're an idiot...

William's picture

Quick question. Would you rather have West Virginia's offense or Alabama's defense? 

immort9888's picture

Bama's defense.  No question.  Better athletes.

William's picture

My point. Give me a stud defense any time over a stellar offense. 

immort9888's picture

The problem is that WVU or Baylor will probably never get the quantity and quality of athletes that Bama currently has on the roster.  The awesome offense is an answer to the lack of talent and depth.  A stud defense requires athletes and lots of them. 

William's picture

I'd argue that West Virginia has plenty of athletes on offense. They have enough firepower to score 24-31 on Alabama. The problem is their defense could not stop Lacy/Yeldon from running wild. 

immort9888's picture

Again, quick kids with decent hands that measure 5'9" to 5'11" are easier to come by compared to 4* and 5* offensive line, TE, DE, DL, and CB recruits.  Not saying WVU doesn't have good athletes on offense, just good athletes that MOST schools could get.  The problem is getting the kids that have the size, strength and speed that Bama has, especially on defense.
The airraid is wildly successful because of the numerous players in the 5'9" to 5'11" range that can be molded into good to great college receivers and the constant development of QBs (2* or 5*). 

Buckeyejason's picture

TCU always had a stud defense without bringing in 4 and 5 star athletes every year. A lot of it is coaching.

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immort9888's picture

This is TCU's schedule during the Rose Bowl run.  Extremely weak.  The great defense played well against one quality opponent after having a month to recoup.  I don't think they would have held up week to week in the SEC or the B1G.  Depth would still be a concern though the first 11-13 players were awesome. 
9/4/2010    Oregon State  W 30-21   
9/11/2010    Tennessee Tech  W 62-7   
9/18/2010    Baylor  W 45-10 (before Briles)   
9/24/2010  @ Southern Methodist  W 41-24   
10/2/2010  @ Colorado State  W 27-0   
10/9/2010    Wyoming  W 45-0   
10/16/2010    Brigham Young  W 31-3   
10/23/2010    Air Force  W 38-7   
10/30/2010  @ Nevada-Las Vegas  W 48-6   
11/6/2010  @ Utah  W 47-7   
11/13/2010    San Diego State  W 40-35   
11/27/2010  @ New Mexico  W 66-17   
1/1/2011    Wisconsin  W 21-19

Kurt's picture

Just fyi, Briles was at Baylor in 2010...he was hired in 2008. (wiki)

Squirrel Master's picture

A) We all know Urban's teams take at least a year to become the monster we have seen in the past. This offense isn't WVU or Baylor because it is still in it's infancy stage. Next year, might not be 70 pts a game but expect at least 35.
B) Geno Smith is a stud. No doubt about it. He is also a Senior. Braxton has had 5 games in a legit offense. He needs help and time.
C) what everyone else said, B12 isn't a defensive conference. Even though WVU came from the Big East and practically did the same over there, B12 is much worst. Also, lets see how things go with Texas next week. If Geno blows the barn doors off against them, then I will be a believer.
Always be careful for what you wish for. Bama and LSU aren't always the pretty teams yet they are the winning teams. Until WVU or Baylor surpasses them, they are the example we want to follow.

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Brutus The Champ's picture

but its a run base power spread.......actuallly..if u look closely..in our base...its an iform spread out...our personell is fits fine guys.. we just need more time in the system.. next year we will be a national threat... no dout in my mind

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Buckeyejason's picture

How many BCS bowl wins do Baylor and West Virginia have combined? 2, ok thanks... How many does old Tress have with his boring offenses..5. Ok cool. 5>2

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

6 > 0 - OSU BCS wins vs. Baylor BCS wins all-time, since this post said "Why aren't we Baylor?"
Baylor might be an 8 win team tops with that D.  Let WVU give up 63 to Texas or Oklahoma and see how those games turn out for them.  I'm guessing 2 big fat L's.

Class of 2010.

Buckeyejason's picture

Double post

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Our offense has scored plenty of points this year.  There's nothing wrong with scoring points - I just don't feel the need to wish that we could score 50-some points a game when we have a defense that has given up 10, 16, 28, 15 (9, really - 6 that UAB scored was on a blocked punt), and 16 in five games this season. 
I can imagine all of the negative threads and comments on here if OSU ever played in a 70-63 game - win or lose.

Class of 2010.

Hoody Wayes's picture

"Why Aren't We Baylor?"
Because we're Ohio State...and we wouldn't want to be anybody else.

Bucksfan's picture

Most of the posts here are pretty spot on, so I really only have to point out what no one is talking about, and that's the 2010 Ohio State offense.
Stunning Halftime scores that season:
Marshall...31-7
Miami...24-17
Ohio...34-0
Eastern Michigan...38-14 (final score 73-20)
Indiana...31-0
Purdue...42-0
Minnesota...31-7 (final 52-10)
Michigan...24-7.
Arkansas...28-10.
That was the most prolific offense I've ever seen in all my years watching Ohio State football (since 2001 or so).  They were often up by so many points in the first half that the 2nd half was all about getting the backups some playing time and working on other things.  And you know what?  They still lost a game because the defense couldn't stop Wisconsin's offense and the special teams sucked.  So, the grass is always greener sometimes, but winning is all that matters.

Poison nuts's picture

OSU fans are a critical group (I know I am) & that's not such a bad thing...on the other hand it does lead to a number fans who are forever looking at the lawn next door, admiring it's greenness while looking at their own & seeing only it's problems...
I look at OSU & see room for improvement under a first year coach - plain & simple. There are those who thought Urban Meyer could come in & have this team firing on all cylinders in year one. If I had a nickel for every comment  where someone had written about how excited they were to see Urban Meyer "hang 50" on so & so....well...that would be a whole lot of nickels. It takes time to become a well oiled offensive machine. Now, if things keep going like they have been, we will all be very happy next year (maybe sooner) because every week, there are small increments of improvement. That's how it works in football, & all you can really hope for.
Footballs most important stat is wins & losses & OSU has nothing but wins so far...So if I was Baylor I would look as OSUs lawn & think "damn that's pretty!" because if you're capable of scoring 63 points & still lose the game, then frankly, your football team ain't shit.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buckeyejason's picture

. If I had a nickel for every comment  where someone had written about how excited they were to see Urban Meyer "hang 50" on so & so....well...that would be a whole lot of nickels

Ha! You and me both..although I think I heard 60 a lot more than 50 lol.

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Poison nuts's picture

A few 70s too...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

LouGroza's picture

I also think Urban demands all aspects of the offense be developed equally. As opposed to finding one thing they do well and endlessly using it. That keeps scoring down but in turn gives a platform for future growth. You could say Braxton is used too much in that way but in fact he is and will be a regular part of our offense. They have tried to limit him as much as possible to push other aspects of the offense as hard as that has been. And in a matter of time it will all be developed to the tune of 50 point games. It's only a matter of when.

Buckeyejason's picture

Next season this team will average at least 40 points per game...mark it down.

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sidz-z's picture

OSU 5-0 Baylor 3-1  \ I'd rather be a Buckeye !!!

Good player's make the play's they're suppose to, great player's make the play's they're NOT !!!

Urban John Simon Meyer's picture

As others have said, I'll take a stout defense over an offense that can put up 70 points any day.
 
I was yelling at Sports Center all night as they gushed about the amazing performance... Yes the WV QB had great numbers, but I kept yelling, "Where's the DEFENSE????"
 
Now, if the choice is available to keep a lockdown defense and manage to score 70 points, I'm game- but I still prefer to watch a tough in your face defense battle like we had in East Lansing. The high-power offense isn't nearly as interesting.

Buckeyejason's picture

Dumbest thread going along with Rod Smith is the the next great runningback.

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MediBuck's picture

So we put up 63 today. Just like Baylor. Except we did it against a real Big Ten defense, not some pansy Rich Rodriguez-spawned 3-3-5 where eight boys dropping into coverage couldn't get a stop to save their lives. Why aren't we Baylor? Because we're f***ing better. Big 12 swiss cheese defense can go f*** itself.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

Kind of a moot point now, wouldn't ya say?

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Poison nuts's picture

Well - we're looking like Baylor now.... Is it as good as you thought it would be?

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.