How Well Coached Is This Team?

baddogmaine's picture
October 20, 2012 at 5:05p
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First, best hopes for Braxton. Nothing else matters more than avoiding serious injury for anyone.

Second, I know there is wide support for 8-0. I like that more than any other alternative record at this point, but if you just ENJOY THE RIDE as another 11W blogger put it you should stop reading now, because I stop celebrating now. Today's game brings out the cynic in me, no doubt. But I was asking the questions that follow before the Purdue game. And what I saw today does not make me stop thinking them.

From the time that Urban Meyer was hired as the Buckeye coach he has enjoyed a complaint-free welcoming. Everything he has done has been praised but while 8-0 is better than the alternatives to my eyes there is good reason to question just how well this team is coached. Play a schedule of Miami of Ohio, Cal, UCF and UAB and Ohio State had better be 4-0. The win over MSU is not looking quite as good - if Iowa can do it how good can it be? Indiana was a nightmare, today even worse. Which leaves exactly one game on the season that looked like Buckeye football. Last year's team also had one good win (WIS), so what exactly have we accomplished in 2012 other than not getting the PAT blocked in a desperate comeback against a mediocre Purdue? I think the honeymoon is over and it is appropriate to look critically at the Urban Meyer Ohio State Buckeyes.

The defense is every bit as bad as last year's. We certainly played better in the second half today but on the whole this is a team that can not tackle (I stopped counting at 15 missed tackles anbd when tackles were not missed the pile still moved forward, not back) and that from Purdue's very first play from scrimmage did not know where it was supposed to be (anyone have a clue what Klein was thinking?). This is a team that eight weeks in does not know how to play defense. And it's not a learning curve problem.

Special teams are excelling in kick blocks but struggling in almost every other phase. We gave up a 101 yard KO return today and a 60 yarder last week. We allowed a fake punt conversion from inside the Purdue 20. We have had our own punts blocked, and a PAT and short FG missed. And our own kick returning is below average.

Which leaves offense. We are a one-trick pony - zone-read running. Miller's passing has rarely worked on its own, it has generally been as a result of running softening the D. It is a very good trick, but whenever an offense is not overpowering or really sublime a disciplined defense has a chance of shutting it down. Let's be clear - we did not struggle today because Miller got hurt, we struggled today because Purdue played disciplined defense and Miller looked ordinary. Looked less than TerBush. We had the 100th rated passing attack going into the Purdue game and did not help that today. And did not run either. Against a very average defense thqat was prepared for what we would do.  Other than NE and IN this offense has not lived up to what I think was expected.

So what exactly has Meyer implemented? I am not saying that he was a bad hire, I am not saying he is doing a bad job, I am not saying he should be fired. I am saying that our record notwithstanding we do not appear to be significantly better than we were last year when we scored over 30 five times, when we held five opponents to 20 points or less. We feel better about ourselves this year than we did last. Perhaps what is happening is seeds being planted that will blossom next year. But for those who rank teams on more than raw record Ohio State with advantages that only a very few other schools can match is not a Top 15 team, possibly not even in the Top 20 if those are measured by who would win on a neutral field. Urban Meyer as the head coach is responsible for all that happens on the field. How well coached is this team really? Has Meyer maximized our potential? If not are you satisfied anyway?

 

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baddogmaine's picture

I forgot to add Meyer having plays run at the end of the first half. There was little chance of scoring from where we were with the time left, there was a good chance of injury, as almost happened to Miller on the late hit. What was Meyer thinking in not having Miller take a knee?

CALPOPPY's picture

In Meyer's defense, you can't blame him for Miiler being hit late at the end of the half. If so, you should blame Meyer anytime someone gets hit late anytime during the game. That was a cheapshot- Short took a couple steps and form-tackled him. He didn't just push him down. That was blatant. You can run plays that are less-likely to have a big hit on the QB and that was a play where Miller wasn't in danger. He was just hit late, illegally.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

B1G 10 Buckeye Stuck in SEC Country's picture

He has taken the exact same 6-7 team from last season and turned it into 8-0.  So I guess he has implemented 2 more wins and so far 7 less losses. 

" Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne 

Maceyko's picture

8-0 is great, but doubt anyone is satisfied with the way we look.  I can't speak for the coaches but I get the feeling Urban is trying to just win it one game at a time and doing whatever it takes to do just that.  He even says that we aren't very good right now.  I tend to think the offensive calls are watered-downed because the coaches think that they need to be.  I think we are what we are right now and as we get the new recruits and the pieces to the puzzle we will only be better in the future.  You can't love where we are, but I've just decided to enjoy it because we can't change it from here.  And you can't tell me we haven't had some exciting moments so far - like today's ending!  However, your points are well made and heard loud and clear.

Maceyko's picture

As for taking the knee at the end of the first half - if you have followed Urban at all you know that isn't his style.  He won't take a knee often, he will go for it on 4th down, and he will run up the score at times, and he may leave his starters in with a big lead.  This is his "all in" mentality and it won't change just because he is now at Ohio State.  You either love it or hate it.  My wife hates it, but I love it.

baddogmaine's picture

Whether or not to go for it on 4th down is a matter of situation. Meyer punts when the situation calls for it. It may be true that it is not in his nature to take a knee with the ball at our own 36 and only 17 seconds left but the question is whether the chance of gain outweighs the risk of loss (injury or turnver)?  From midfield maybe, we're just two plays from a FG. With a full minute left maybe, you might get half a dozen plays or more. Losing at the end of the 4th quarter - of course. But given the situatioin we were in at the end of the first half was it good coaching to let Miller take some hits?

Doesntwork's picture

I think many have pointed out multiple times before is that this is basically the same team from last year that went 6-7. 
Going from 6-7 to 8-0 with the opportunity to go to 12-0 (though less likely if brax is out for the year) is already huge.  Also, going from traditional pro style offense to the spread is not easy; yet already several time this year the team has shown it has the potential to be very very explosive.  I don't think you can coach consistency, especially in this short of a time; it's earned by going through rough games like this one and learn from it.  given more experience i think our offense will be fine.  If you are still wondering what Meyer implemented offensively, just look at the MSU game last year...
As for defense, injury is definitely part of it, so is having the right personnel but I do agree that defense is not performing where we need them to be. 
I think this team is coached by some really quality coaches; there are a lot of growing pains but the potential is there.  I'm not satisfied either, but I don't see any evidence that any other coaching staff in college football could have done better.

buckeyestu's picture

hey how many championships have you won baddog? maybe once urban gets his 3rd class of recruits here, perhaps , you will be pleased then, but until then enjoy your own misery. and i will enjoy watching the team learn how to play ball his way, and while they are learning i think it is wonderful the record is 8-0. 8-0, 8-0, 8-0. yes the team isnt very good, urban said that himself. he is using tressels players for the most part, and i think for the most part tressels recruits are weak, there are a few outstanding tressel players on the team, but i think overall, the talent isnt that good. bet you gave up when the score was 22-14 with less than a minute to go? you probably wont admit if you did give up, but i suspect you did. have a good day, i am off to work now. and the honeymoon continues whether you like it or not.

B1G 10 Buckeye Stuck in SEC Country's picture

As for the defense I'm conflicted...I can't decide if its Fickle, the LB's or both...The woman calling the game had a great point...The problem with the LB's is that they are playing a true soph, true fresh and a FB at LB...lol. 

" Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne 

setman's picture

Can't upvote yet, but would definitely upvote this thread if I could. 
A very coherent and reasoned analysis of this team.  A definite improvement over the many threads of the last 5-6 weeks demanding coaches to be fired and wanting immediate change and improvement. 
Give it time.  In the meantime, 8-0 ain't a bad consolation at this point of a so called "lost season."

Poison nuts's picture

I may just be an eternal optimist but my short answer would be they are coached well enough to have come from behind with a backup QB with 44 seconds left in the game. That win was ugly...and was 100% all heart. A mentality that I suspect comes from the top. That was a game that last year is a loss 10 out 10 times...I, like most I suspect, would like larger winning margins. I, like most I suspect, will keep taking the wins however they come...

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

baddogmaine's picture

Well yes, we did keep our compusure at the end. Well played, lads. But I'd argue that overall coaching was responsible for us needing heroics to beat this year's Purdue team at home. It's not just margin of victory, sometimes the other guys just play over ther heads. But giving up a 100 yard KO return. Not covering a fake punt. Rarely fooling Purdue, and not often beating them on execution. As someone said this was exciting - but was it good coaching?

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Dear God Maine - you are everyting that is wrong with america - shortest memory ever - 6-7 & laughing stock last year to 8-0 - only thing I agree with is you are a cynic.

Buckeyejason's picture

Lets save all the judging until next year. This is kind of like a practice test for the coaching staff. I know it's hard to hold off and bite the tongue but let's all try.

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miller2234's picture

I think we have to be extremely patient this year. Urban has come in and improved the program from day 1. He took a recruiting class that was outside the top 25 in most rankings and made it a top 5 class. He has been hit with the injury bug on defense and not to mention he has taken over a team that was 6-7 last year and really lacking any confidence at all.  Our offense is dramatically improved even with the inconsistencies. 21 drives of 70+ yards this season through 8 games v. 7 total last year. He is changing the culture of the entire program from the ground up.  We will have to get used to situations of 4th and go for its and trying to score at the end of halves.  He is setting the tone to the players that we are TOSU and we are here to kick your @ss. We have to take a step back and remember that this coaching staff is adjusting to new schemes offensively and defensively as well as working with each other for the first time.  This is the year to get the kinks out and the best thing for this season is for us to stay relevant on a national scale for recruiting purposes.  If we go 12-0 (knock on wood) that's all people will remember. Just like 02. People remember the ring and for the most part, not how we got there. Urban can walk in recruits homes and say look what I did year 1 at OSU this train will keep rolling. I for one get really frustrated when we look like this but I think we have to sit back and just win at all costs this year.  Today's win I think will do a lot for this team for the future. It was the gut check they needed w/o having to lose a game.  Defense did a good job stepping up today and hopefully keeps improving - Go bucks.

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bucki5's picture

Was anyone happy with the way we looked in 2002?

Buckeye2005's picture

Great point.  The players are learning something each and every game and we as fans will get to enjoy when things really start clicking.  Imagine running a completely different offense,  it doesn't happen over night! 

Crimson's picture

This is a transition year.  Entirely new offense, and the back 7 is running a new defense (I'm not sure if the line assigments have really changed).  If you aren't satisfied that the team is this bad, go nuts.  I'm pretty happy, because the offense is better than I thought they would be -- although this game shows that it's probably closer to what I was thinking before the season -- and the defense is struggling more than I thought.  Then again like I said above, the LBs, CBs, and Ss all have new assigments and are now in a system where you cannot hide weak players (Klein is obviously one of them).  Considering the changes, I think we should be happy that we've come this far overall.  I'm not saying that we're a finished product, but there's only so much you can do to change players who have been playing a different system for a year or three.

bodast67's picture

Dear God Maine - you are everyting that is wrong with america - shortest memory ever

@Oakland
I can think of a few things more wrong with America than Maine stating his or her opinion. Take it down a notch and let us know why your opinion differs from Maine's, as you never really said anything in your rebuttal.

 

 

 

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cajunbuckeye's picture

I'm mentally and emotionally exhausted from the OT victory and a long day at work. Maine, your post is to long for me to read. Bad dog. I'll stick with the first sentence and keep it short. Great calls for the tying drive. Great calls in OT drive to take the lead. Great D in OT to secure the victory. I'll take that kind of coaching any Saturday.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

baddogmaine's picture

Blogs are allowed to be long. You can see how long a blog post is before you start reading, if you don't want to read something that long don't read it. It is sad that a comment that disparages  thinking gets made on a website associated with a university. And that it gets upvoted.

cajunbuckeye's picture

Type on, BadDog. The intent of your well written, but long winded post is evident in your title. "HOW WELL COACHED IS THIS TEAM?" The ending punctuation led me to believe that you desired a response to the statement put forth. I was not aware that I was only permitted to be informed by your commentary.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

sb97's picture

The staff is doing fine.  First year of the new regime and we are 8-0.  As shaky as things have looked all season our guys keep making plays when needed.

William's picture

WAS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE THE TITLE IN ALL CAPS? 
But seriously this is a team that was 6-7 a year ago, and is currently 8-0. If you don't think that the coaching has led to tremedous overall improvements, then I don't think anything will appease you. Sure the defense could play better, or the offense could be more consistent, but I'll take 8-0. 

buckeyestu's picture

maybe the complainers should try coaching, for real.

Buckeyejason's picture

Probably get the same results with this schedule, wait for it...........ZING!!!

BUCKEYES BABY!

cajunbuckeye's picture

Aawww, that's cold!

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Nick's picture

You have to realize that this is not a great team and Urban has said that. Besides Braxton Miller and Hankins we do not have any great players at all. Roby may be one eventually but that is it. They have done a lot with a little in my opinion. 

Buckeyejason's picture

I wouldn't say a little..it's not like we have a Boise State roster or anything. I mean we do have a bunch of guys who were recruited by schools across the country.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyejason's picture

Simons pretty great. Shazier is good. Devin Smith is good.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Pretty great huh?
Ok....
John Simon, as he has all year, has continued to find himself too far upfield each and every play he beats an O Lineman. When you beat someone by going so wide, or so far upfield, you don't actually beat said lineman. I get that John Simon is a fan favorite but he has played non existent to bad football all year and now he is the one benefiting from the double teams. Teams aren't doubling him because they know they don't have to. He's a hard worker, and a 'leader' (whatever the hell that means) but he is not impacting football games on a consistent basis. For a guy who's been objective about the team as a whole, you've had a year long love fest with a guy who, frankly, isn't getting the job done.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Buckeyejason's picture

Look Brewster you should know by now that I'm not some delusional fan boy that will say a players great just because I like the guy. I know he's been inconsistent all year and he's been pretty disappointing but the guy has been a good lineman for this team for the last 4 years. I know he's not an elite talent like Clowney or Montgomery but he can get you 2 sacks and 4 tfl's in any given game. He was all big ten 1st team last year(3rd team all American)..he has 3 sacks and 9 tfl in 8 games, is that terrible? He's played just about every position on the line at OSU and he's done them all pretty well..I don't think it's so out of line to call the guy great...I mean Urban has said it about a hundred times already. He's better than Heyward production wise, do we call Cam a great player? yes we do!
stat comparison, with Simon having 4 games left to play:
Simon- 15 sacks, 40 tfl
Heyward- 15.5 sacks, 37.4 tfl.
That's with Cam starting pretty much the whole season in 2007 as a freshman and John just rotating in 2009 as a frosh.

BUCKEYES BABY!

BrewstersMillions's picture

Ok so by your own admission he's been inconsistent. When one is inconsistent, one can't be great. It just doesn't happen. Secondly, the guy was all whatever last year-where is it this year? I give 0 shits about what he did last year, because THIS year, the senior Simon was supposed to be even better and he's flat out regressed. My problem is his inability to flatten out. I've been screaming it every week. Loop around an end, get up field, but he has no ability what so ever to close the distance between him and a QB, or RB for that matter and that renders him virtually useless. He is, hands down, the most over rated player on that defense. He's not an elite talent, he's a good player with a great work ethic. I caught hell when I said he is a sure fire not first rounder and guess what? He still isn't. Not only that-he's been a non issue save for a few plays per game. Where is the dominant force that got first team all B1G? Third team AA? Where is that guy? Because he isn't there. AND he's playing with a guy (Hankins) who was great last year and is a truly elite defensive talent this year and Simon, who should be benefiting, is shrinking away.
Just curious though....what game this year has he gotten those 2 sacks\4TFL's...it can happen any given game, yet through 8 we have yet to see it.
OVER-RATED. Simple as that. More so-GREAT D Linemen (your words not mine) impact the game even if they don't make the actual play. That isn't Simon either. He isn't forcing action, or cutting into gaps, or redirecting running lanes or blocking schemes. He's lining up one on one, looking like he's trying really hard, and continuously endearing himself to fans who like him for what he does off the field and pissing off ones who demand he do something on the field.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Buckeyejason's picture

Just curious though....what game this year has he gotten those 2 sacks\4TFL's...it can happen any given game, yet through 8 we have yet to see it

Nebraska.
 I'm not going to argue with you all night. The guy has better stats starting less games then arguably the best Lineman at this school in the last 10 years. Enough said. 
 

BUCKEYES BABY!

BrewstersMillions's picture

I stand corrected on the stat line. So of his 3 sacks and 8.5 TFL, 2 sacks and 5 TFL's came in one game....
WILDLY INCONSISTENT. What has he done the other 7? Its what you do over the course of a season, in the aggregate (that means more than one game) that makes you great. Where was he against Purdue? Or Indiana? He has yet to beat lesser, equal, or better competition. Keep those I <3 54 drawings in your journal though buddy. He was good last year so its ok that he blows this year! I'm not saying he's a bad lineman, I'm saying this year, as a whole, he has played poorly and you've yet to dispute that with any real evidence, so if its ok, I can declare you a John Simon fan boy-I look forward to your bashing of other players on the team though who haven't endeared themselves to you as much as Simon the friendly ghost. Way to be objective.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Buckeyejason's picture

I didn't realize how much of a tool you are..very apparent now. Did John sleep with your girl or something? 

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Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

d5k's picture

I will respond simply to your novel. If you can't see through the execution errors to see the potential of gold at the end of the rainbow especially when the offense has actually improved dramatically then I think you should calm down and learn to love the read. If you can't enjoy the struggles that will ultimately lead to success then hibernate until 2013 provided the mayans were wrong.

Buckeye2005's picture

I'd up-vote this if I had enough helmet stickers to do so. 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

The defense gave up exactly 7 points after the first play of the game.  It was like they had one boneheaded defensive play they needed to get out of their system, and what better time to have that happen.  Sure there were some missed tackles and yards, as there will always be with this defense, but I think this defense played their best game since MSU.
The offense struggled for much of the day.  This is where the whole Rich Rod/West Virginia crap goes out the window.  When West Virginia's offense struggled last week, they got blown out.  When our offense struggled, our defense stepped up and kept us in the game for a miracle. 
I hate big plays given up by special teams and defense.  I hate when our offense drops 63 against Nebraska and struggles with Purdue.  But 8-0 doesn't happen by accident. 
I think people put too much stock into the eye test and style points.  Every game is different.  They say stats and records go out the window for rivalry games, but they really can on any given Saturday.  This offense isn't going to come out every week and put up 50.  This defense isn't going to come out every week and hold opponents to 13.  Special teams will have boners from time to time (though I wonder if our unit takes Viagara with as many as they have).  Every game is different, and different things happen.  That's the great thing about college football.  That's why regardless of points scored/allowed, or how a team "looks" - what matters most is if you win or not.  Good teams find ways to win.  Last year's team found ways to lose.  This year's team finds ways to win.  I'd love to see us win every game by 30 or more, but it's not going to always work that way. 
You can say that a lot of teams below us in the rankings would beat us on a neutral field.  You do have to remember, though, that in 2002, we had a lot of close games like this against inferior opponents.  People said we had no chance against Miami, who was the clear #1 team.  Look what happened.  All I can say about this team is that they are flawed, but damn, they know how to win games.  You can enjoy the wins, you can worry about style points, or have some mix of both.  I prefer to enjoy wins, but I also don't ignore the flaws.  There are things this team is going to have to do better against better teams.   I'm glad Braxton is okay, and now, we focus on State Penn.  Hopefully our defense improves more, and we can get some rhythm on offense.  And some damned energy - it was missing for about 59 minutes.  No more special teams boners, either!

Class of 2010.

baddogmaine's picture

I'm not looking for style points, I'm looking for signs of coaching worthy of what we are paying Meyer, and consistency. In that sense I do put stock in the eye test. We did have several nailbiters in 2002 but I don't recall such across the board weaknesses in fundamentals. As I said in a previous post if we win out we'll have the last laugh, but as someone who appreciates things being done well I can be both happy that we are 8-0 AND be unhappy at the way we are doing it. That doesn't make me impossible to satisfy, that makes me someone who looks at more than won-lost record.

d5k's picture

How about comparing to 2001 rather than 2002 to be fair? 2002 team also had far better talent and depth...

SilverBullet33's picture

Constantly comparing this team or any other team to 2002 is a waste of time. If that's your standard then we're going to fall short a lot. Maybe get that out of your head and you can enjoy the 8-0 record knowing the Buckeyes still have a ton of work to do.  Enjoy the journey. 
 

RedStorm45's picture

Do I need to call the whaaaamublance?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

No, don't do that! Baddog will criticize the whaaaaaambulance driver for showing up 33 seconds late and for bringing the wrong type of debitchrilator. "You call that a siren?!" Baddog will complain. "This is what a siren should sound like . . . Brrrreeahhhhwwwweerr . . . Breeeehhhhhwwwwwweerrr!"     

NoVA Buckeye's picture

How well coached is this team? Do the words "Jim Bollman" mean anything to you?

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

baddogmaine's picture

It means something to me but it does not answer the question. The question is not whether the current staff is better than some previous staff member who was pretty clearly inept, but whether the current staff and in particular the head guy are doing a job that is maximizing potential.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

My point is, this is almost the same team as last year and they're getting more out of them than the previous coaching staff. They are very well coached on offense (the receivers dropsies appeared out of nowhere today, but so did Chris Fields). On defense, the players' potential is being maximized. (LOOK AT TRAVIS HOWARD!) The problem is the defensive scheme, which fails to make in-game adjustments, in my opinion.

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

baddogmaine's picture

 

The problem is the defensive scheme, which fails to make in-game adjustments, in my opinion.

Whose responsibility is that? Is that not a coaching issue?

d5k's picture

There is a transition going on in all 3 phases from conservative to aggressive. When you are more aggressive with players new to the system and no depth there will be issues. We have a self imposed 76 scholarship players thanks to attrition. Add a ton of injuries and you have half your special teams populated by freshmen. We could easily kick it out of the end zone but he's trying to pin people on the 15 instead. We could cut back big plays on defense but in the long run he wants an attacking defense that makes you fit throws into tight windows on third and long with a 250 lb Noah Spence about to break you like a twig. We need to live with the mistakes this year because we have a 10 year freight train of a program about to steam roll the B1G. We are winning when we have ALL these problems.

AngryWoody's picture

...This has to be a joke....I wouldn't trade this year for last year ever....like not in a million years. Do you see the HEART these kids play with? Last year they were like a bunch of corpses...This is one of the worst things I have ever read and you must be on crack to say these things.
 

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TLB's picture

His offenses at Fla. were never anything special without Tebow.

Poison nuts's picture

That 2006 offense wasn't too bad...the one where Tebow was a Freshman & played in a few downs a game. I remember them finishing pretty damn strong.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Toilrt Paper's picture

I remember a particulat BCS Championship team that didn't play much better than this team. Grasping victory from the jaws of defeat several times that year. More often than not winning ugly.
 
Whining about this team and coach is doltish.

Buckeyejason's picture

Ok so one team in the last 10 years?

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bwh's picture

The team loses their starting QB, who is the magic man that has made doom and gloom into glitter and sunshine time after time.
But #2 comes in, with 1 minute on the clock, and marches down to tie it.
Then they put it back in the endzone in OT, and the defense only allows Purdue to gain 5 yards in 4 plays.
Without their heisman list QB, and with Guiton who has only take a few snaps all year.
And yet you question how well these kids are coached?

How many teams could get that done to remain undefeated?
 
This team is damn well coached.
/end thread.

brylee's picture

This team is damn well coached.

 
Thank you!!!

baddogmaine's picture

This year's team is generating 120 yards per game more offense than last year which is a significant  improvement. This year's defense is giving up 70 yards per game more than last year, a marked deterioration. Our kick off returning and punt returning are both worse than last year. NCAA statistics are not giving me penalties per game but I'll bet that is up this year. People who want to praise the coaching need to explain these measures of performance.

brylee's picture

Hypothetically speaking...  ~Forget Tat-Gate ever happened...  Tressel is still coaching...~
I have to believe this year would have been a down year for this team, as we are currently witnessing, albeit the 8-0 record.  Would we be 8-0?  Maybe, Maybe not...  We would still be looking at the same depth issues...same injury situations.  Nothing has changed...we have the same team...the same recruits, that have gotten us to this point.
The fact that we are 8-0 with this group of kids is, quite frankly, amazing.  They should not be...they let up at the most inopportune times, overlook weaker opponents, etc., yet they are where they are, right now.  None of us could have expected this...  If we drop one or two the rest of the way...would anyone here truly be surprised? doubtful! 
Give the coaching some time to bring this unit together, because I think we are witnessing the beginnings of something very special.

AngryWoody's picture

^^^^This x100

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Bucksnut13's picture

this team is very well coached. and its good that urban didnt take a knee b4 the half. if devin smith goes all out for a very catchable ball we are inside the redzone. why do you not want him to do that? it is the very reason we hired him. more aggressiveness. i absolutely hated when tressel would play tressel ball. urban has changed the program for the better. just wait until he gets all of his recruits in

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog

brylee's picture

Why would you take a knee, when this defense can, and has, given up big leads, in very short periods of time?  incredible
While criticism isn't necessarily bad, I think it is misplaced here.  Of coures things could be better.  Of course we should not have all the injuries on defense and special teams.  Of course, with the high flying offense that we have, we should be blowing the doors off of some of these lowly teams...oh wait...we have played to the level of our competition for the better part of the last 15 years...or maybe we have just forgotten...

BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

I'm talking primarily about the defense here because I for one do see the offense improving, understanding their positions, successfully adding new plays, etc... in other words, being well coached.  The main issue today was turnovers, not defense, but if you're asking about the entire year, I do have thoughts on the D.
This is their first season together, so I'm sure there are issues to smooth out there.  That may be 1 issue, but in order for a coach to be successful he/she has to have (coachable) players that can implement the coach's schemes/plays.  The most brilliant strategic coach in the history of the game would not look very smart with incapable players, and that might just be what we have here.  I don't think we can really say for sure yet because -

  • They didn't recruit the starters and perhaps don't have exactly who they want to run their defense.
  • We have been dealt a mountain of injuries, so they're playing kids that they perhaps have not invested their best attention to (Joshua Perry might be an example)
  • We have lots of guys out there who are unfamiliar with their position in an OSU jersey - Boren, all the true freshmen - and the ones that actually are familiar with their position are learning new schemes / plays.  There is a lot in flux this year.
  • I should probably just say that we miss Heacock and leave it at that, but seriously, it almost seems to me that the LBs don't understand the game of football, or at least their position.  I recognize how terrible that sounds, but I am not really sure how else to rationalize what's going on out there.  Our LBs regularly help mediocre QBs look like Peyton Manning.  I believe LB is the most important position in football aside from QB, and our lack of talent/depth/comprehension at LB might not be 100% something these coaches can fix right now.  It is the coaches responsibility to teach where to be, how to tackle, what to do in scenario x, y, z but it almost seems like the LBs don't have the slightest clue what their purpose is on the field and sadly might fall into the "don't get it, never will" bucket.  I surely hope that isn't true, but as a result of the current situation at LB, the other 8 are trying to play a virtual mismatch of 8-vs-11 and actually not doing too bad given the handicap.

All that being said, there are several other teams (Penn State and Wisconsin for example) which have shown obvious improvement through the season so far.  Again, that might be a player issue and not just a coaching issue, but our defense certainly does not fall into the Improved From Week 1 category.  It might fall on the coaches but at least partly also falls on the players.
People probably thought Muschamp was a flop (and that Urbz left Florida a wreck) last year but he is obviously onto something at Florida this year.  I believe we - and the rest of the B1G with new coaches - will see a marked improvement over the next year or two.

CALPOPPY's picture

Yep. LBs gave up both our our TDs on D. Meyer even said as much. Both were players not LBs at the beginning of the season (Klein off team and Williams not at LB). Injuries are killing us.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

Jarrett's picture

Excellent article! EXCELLENT! Thank you for writing it. I've felt the same way throughout the season but alas, I live in Utah, where there are few, if any Big Ten Fans/Buckeye fans in general. So, talking about the Buckeyes like this, in detail, rarely happens. The only thing most casual fans see is 8-0. When customers drive up to my coffee shop they ask how my Buckeyes did and I'll say, well, we won, but it was UGLY. And if I go into any other detail they just look at me like I'm nuts (which I AM) and say, "you're undefeated dude!" Which drives me even CRAZIER!!!! 
Yes, we're undfeated but everything you wrote in this article is true and a concern. I'll answer the three questions at the end of the article. 
   How well coached is this team really? I'm confused. Reading about how much more physically ready we would be- reading about all the extra conditioning-reading about how we'll be in better shape than any other team we'd play....and not really seeing it, is a concern. I don't get that at all. I drank the red punch. After reading all the hype, I believed we would at least be able to dominate physically if we didn't have the talent. All I see are more injuries than I can ever recall. We don't seem to be any more in shape than any of the teams we've played. And we certainly are NOT dominating physically as we should. 
   As far as Urban coaching; I think he has helped the team over achieve and his intensity, focus and desire has carried throughout the program. We don't give up (Nebraska last year) and everyone seems about as prepared as they can be when someone gets hurt. That certainly didn't happen last year. And our ability to come back after a few punches to the gut is nice to see (I didn't see that as much with The Vest - once we were down we were usually down. However, our team seemed much more disciplined concerning KO's, focus (less yellow flags) and yes, oure kicking game was much better in all phases). 
   I think I read it on 11W recently that "we are a good team in a bad conference" and I agree. Urban is coaching as well as he can but he can't be totally responsible for all the injuries and how we execute on the field. Oh, forgot- I'm wondering; do the players have "analysis by paralysis?" Are they so worried about making a mistake that they can't just react and play? THAT would be a coaching issue for sure....Final Answer: I think he has some things to work out but he is coaching very well- aside from the conditioning issue, which is confusing to me.
  Has Meyer maximized our potential? If not are you satisfied anyway? Wellll, here is MY question and concern. We are Ohio State- not to sound cocky about it but we have Blue Chip players, or at least that's what we're told. So, we have some crap happen to us and we had LAST YEAR. OK- that said...we have Blue Chip players, right? Blue Chippers are Blue Chippers because, I'm assuming (and yes, I know what happens when I assume, but...(you said butt) Blue Chippers can do MORE than one thing WELL, isn't that why they are Blue Chippers? So why does our cupboard seem to be so bare? Shouldn't we have the talent and depth to play better (at least against the first few teams we played this year)? Ah- forgot! I really like Braxton but I am confused about his passing ability...I have heard ALL year long about what a great passer he is and I don't see it...Do. Not. See. It. He over throws wide open recievers- he has no touch (see that awesome two point pass by Guiton! I don't see Miller making that throw). Maybe it is a lack of poise I see in Brax - Kenny seemed to have MUCH more poise in the pocket...argh, I'm so damn confused as to how to answer these questions! 
 Yes, Urban has maximized our potential as much as he can (but I'm not so sure about our conditioning+we seem to have dumb penalties+lack of defensive discipline on basic D and kicking game). I am satisfied but as a true Buckeye Fan, confused about what we actually have talent wise and how can I not be satisfied? We're 8-0 baby!!!! ARGH!!!! O H ! 
 

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." Groucho Marx 

 

BuckeyeChris's picture

I totally agree that the staff deserves a lot of credit for the 8-0 start. Clearly this offense is in a whole new universe compared to, especially, last year. 
But it's also fair to say that the wriitng is on the wall for a potentially dismal finish to the season. Even in the midst of these wins do you really feel confident about this team at PSU? at Wisky? Sure, they'll beat Michigan. They'll just have to score 80 points to do it. 
Obviously, credit goes to the staff for the dramatic imporovement in the offense, but you also have to be honest about what you're seeing beneath the surface. 

BuckeyeinAnnArbor's picture

I really don't get the people who simply cite 8-0 as evidence that the team is improving dramatically.  Yes, it's great, but what do you think we would be with even a remotely difficult schedule? We have one decent win, and the rest have been total cupcakes.  The end of the season should be more telling.

Toilrt Paper's picture

Last time I checked winning or losing is the final authority of good or bad in the game of football.