Grambling State Has a Football Mutiny On Its Hands

October 17, 2013 at 11:40a    by DJ Byrnes    
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Grambling State Tigers

Welp, there's the APU movement, and then there's this:

Not one Grambling football player attended Wednesday afternoon practice after players walked out of a Tuesday meeting with administration, according to a member of the football program.

The source said players aren’t happy with the way they are treated, and frustrations boiled over Tuesday during a meeting with president Frank Pogue, athletic director Aaron James, interim coach George Ragsdale and student government president Jordan Harvey held in the stadium support facility building outside of Eddie G. Robinson Stadium.

The meeting occurred to address the reasons for bus travel to games in Kansas City and Indianapolis and the firing of head coach Doug Williams in mid-September.

Could you imagine if this ever happened at a big FBS school? Peoples' heads would explode.


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703Buckeye's picture

Time to reincarnate Eddie Robinson to straighten this sh!t out.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

sharks's picture

Don't they have a nationally televised game every year against another hbcu? The football is usually terrible, but the bands are great.

The postgame show is brought to you by... Christ, I can't find it. The hell with it...

xrox's picture

Grambling vs Southern. Usually happens on "rivalry weekend," I think. Whatever day Alabama and Auburn is, IIRC.
Bands usually play popular music and are high energy and exciting. It's a different style than what TBDBIL plays, but that's okay! I'm all for more bands on TV, and I think it's great that this is a nationally televised event. I watch every year. I think last year's football game even went down to the wire.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

A real life West Caanan Coyotes/Bud Kilmer mutiny!

AndyVance's picture

How old were these kids when that movie came out? Maybe they all got together and watched it over the weekend and said, "enough's enough."

BuckeyeChief's picture

A lot of BS going on there; who the hell wants to ride a bus from LA to Indy for a game? Then they get called soft by the administration?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

William's picture

Heaven forbid they have to ride a bus...

AndyVance's picture

Uh, I can't blame them there. That's a 12-hour bus trip, one way, at a minimum. The last time I did that, I was in high school, and I didn't have to play a football game when the trip was done.

William's picture

UNC basketball busses all over the Eastern seaboard (including from Chapel Hill-Boston/Miami). Why are the football players at Grambling State of all places, entitled to traveling to an away game by plane? 

Kyle Rowland's picture

There is zero way this is true. If you have evidence pointing to the contrary, I'll gladly say I'm wrong. Can't imagine there's any truth to that, though. I don't know any major program that buses to a trip that's more than two or three hours.

For instance, OSU football will (very rarely) bus one way on some trips (Michigan, Indiana) and then fly the other way. The basketball team never buses, though, unless it's Dayton or Cleveland. I think the last regular season game they bused to was West Virginia.    

AndyVance's picture

Totally agree, Kyle. After reading the Shreveport story linked above, I'm amazed a university would actually do this to its football program and players. Wow.

William's picture

I'll have to look for the link, but I seem to remember watching a WRAL special back when I was in NC about the former bus driver for UNC that died in 2010, that would bus UNC anywhere East of the Appalachians, and was given a ring from the 2005 championship squad for it. I of course could be remembering it incorrectly, but that's what I remember from the story. 

Edit: Correction, he would drive anywhere East of the Mississippi, and they would bus UNC for relatively shorter trips 4-5 hours, otherwise the guy just drove the bus to meet the team wherever they flew. 
 
Anyway, you have scholarship athletes (FCS), that are complaining about being bussed to a game instead of flown? How entitled do you have to be, to think you deserve that? You're given a free education, and it's not like Grambling State's athletic department is some fiscal powerhouse making money off of these kids left and right...

Oldschoolbuck's picture

If that is true, Thad should be hammering away at that with any recruit considering the Tar Heels... And Coach K and Pitino and Izzo and...

Oldschoolbuck's picture

I rode a chartered coach from Columbus, GA to Memphis - I don't remember how long it was, but it was the 7th circle of hell as far as I was concerned. I don't blame the lads for being pissed.
Nice to know the "adults" are looking out for their student-athletes...

boras's picture

Great call BuckeyeChief, small schools (HBCU's in particular) always try and save money and cut corners at the expense of the kids, its disgusting. 

Toilrt Paper's picture

This is why games against major conferences, that pay schools like Grambling $1 million are necessary.

ibuck's picture

Thanks, 11W, for this story. I hope you keep us updated on what happens. Especially if the univ tries to divide & conquer by kicking 1-2 "instigators" off team.
 

Our honor defend, we will fight to the end !

drumsontheside's picture

I'm probably going to upvote any comment of yours that I see due to Dr. Steve Brule being your avatar. 

WB

ATXbucknut's picture

Such an underrated show...

Kyle Rowland's picture

I know some have the initial thought of, these kids are soft. But Grambling's team has every right to be pissed in this situation. 

ATXbucknut's picture

I totally agree. I don't think the kids are soft; I just wanted to write 'Grumbling State.' I would never get on a bus for 12 hours to go play a FB game. Now, would I get on a bus for 12 hours to go watch an OSU football game?  You betcha. But probably not several times a season.

jedkat's picture

and I doubt you'd be sober when you got off said bus. AMIRITE????

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

1967Buck's picture

Sounds like there alot going on there...Maybe they need some outside help to fix this crap.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

I once rode two hours on a bus from Camp Pendleton to Norton AFB, then spent the next 24 hours on a plane traveling to Riyadh Saudi Arabia. Immediately upon disembarking I was crammed into another bus traveling through the night to get to  Al Jubail. All of this was done while believing that I'd be going into combat within the next couple of days.
Strangely I don't feel a lot of pity for college kids spending half a day on a bus texting or browsing the net on their phones.

AndyVance's picture

Thank you for your service. Next to your experience, pretty much everything I've ever experienced in my life seems like petty whining.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Meh, it was a pain but far from the worst experience of a lifetime. The whole thing was really surreal, we flew over on a chartered 747 with the full civilian flight crew so there were stewardesses walking around swapping the plastic wings they give to kids for rank insignia, jump wings & such. A couple of hours into the flight they were walking around with their blouses undone to make it easier to pin on their newest acquisitions.
The part that really sucked was that they wouldn't let us off the plane during refueling. We drew ammo before we left so everyone was carrying a basic combat load (plus however many extra bandoliers you could cram into an ALICE). The first stop was at one of the NYC airports (don't remember if it was JFK or LaGuardia) and they wouldn't let us off because they were concerned we'd scare the civilians in the terminal due to being armed...Imagine how that would work in today's world where troops are routinely harassed by TSA during movements...then two more stops in Newfoundland & Rome where we were again prohibited from getting off the plane to stretch our legs.
On the positive side they did run in flight movies....of course the final one was Glory. Now that's a wonderful final scene to watch right before the lights come back on and the pilot announces they're about to begin the final approach...

Oldschoolbuck's picture

I also thank you for your service, Scarlet.
But let's face it, Marines are a whole different breed of cat than ALMOST anybody else (all you Army guys, I said "ALMOST"!). I bet Coach Mick's conditioning is like a day off compared to what you guys go thru in basic...

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Professional ball players used to spend months traveling to away games entirely by bus. Do you think the Grambling players have anything on say, Jackie Robinson when it comes to tough road trips?
As a kid I spent many a trip crammed into a tiny back seat for 8-12+ hours for trips/holidays/vacations. In HS there was nothing close to 12 hours but I do remember one of 4 hours made while wearing our uniforms (minus shoulder pads & helmets which were stuffed under the seats) the entire way. There were also a few 6 or so hour rides for wrestling meets...at least during those you had plenty of room to stretch out as the bus was mostly empty.
As others have mentioned, I'm sure there are other much bigger issues behind this insurrection but anyone seriously complaining about a 12 hour ride needs to drink a cup of STFU. Schools like Grambling aren't bussing these kids because they want to, they're doing it because their athletic departments don't have the money to fly the teams.
As far as Ohio State's S&C program...I have no doubt that they have regular 1-2 hour work outs that are more physically demanding than any 1-2 hour stretch I encountered in boot camp. Most of the physical training isn't really that bad...it's the stress of being constantly on the go from one thing to another that really wears on you.

Oldschoolbuck's picture

Those are excellent points.
Maybe it's simply the difference in generations. My dad was born in 1918 and used an outhouse until he was 8 or 9 (in the winter! In NW Ohio!); they didn't have central heat, let alone a/c. He grew up on a farm and had to do chores at 4:30 am, then work after school to help provide during the Depression.
Compared to him I'm a huge wuss!
But it seems like I may be Rambo & Chuck Norris rolled into one compared to what I see every morning when I leave my secure, private community - parents that have driven their kids (literally!) 400 yards to the entrance of the development, sitting with the car running, waiting for the school bus!
That is pretty pampered, but I don't think it's all that unusual today.
Maybe Jackie Robinson's generation really WAS the Greatest Generation.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

The great uncle of one of my friends growing up still had an outhouse when we were kids in the 70's...I remember thinking it as being almost exotic. lol
The ever present helicopter parents drive me crazy. Kids aren't helpless, you have to let them live life if you want them to have any hope of being useful adults.
On the topic of bus trips....I just texted one of the guys I played JUCO ball with...our one long bus trip for the San Francisco Bowl was 10-11 hours (San Diego to San Fran). My only real memories of the trip are of sleeping & reading. Again that was only a single trip, most of our games were relatively close (within San Diego County).

Oldschoolbuck's picture

"Exotic" - hilarious!
"Helicopter parents" - Preach, brutha!

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

12-hour bus rides are an absolute hell for anyone let alone a football team. Does the story mention if they took big luxury tour buses or broken down pieces of crap (i.e. school buses)? 12 hours in a school bus would make me want to kill myself.
Reminds me of that bus the Indians took in the movie "Major League" that kept back firing and had holes in the windows. Hopefully they don't have to take a plane with duct tape on the propeller.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

harleymanjax's picture

I rode a Greyhound from Denver to Jacksonville.........thoughts of suicide entered my mind before I made it home......

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

BuckeyeChief's picture

San Diego to Columbus...

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

MotownBuck's picture

I could look at this and fall upon old stereotypes and assume these are a bunch of whiny brat kids that don't appreciate a free education that comes with that scholarship.
Or I could read the line that says "not a single player showed up" and assume that there must be a hell of a lot going inside that program in order for a group of student athletes who know they are lucky to be playing football past high school at an historically rich college to take an unprecedented stance like this.
I'll wait for further information and hope that what they are doing is for the betterment of a proud program.

Trotwood-Madison. Once a Ram, Always a Ram.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

If Grambling is anything like the HBCUs I have personal experience with, there are going to be few if any kids on that team who grew up with silver spoons in their mouths. Kids in general today seem to have a greater sense of entitlement than at any other point in recent memory but there are likely going to be a lot of kids playing for Grambling who are from backgrounds where they and their families had to work hard for everything they've achieved.

MotownBuck's picture

I think there are currently about 40+ HBCU players in the league
And maybe my wording was incorrect. Blame my art degree. lol. Grew up 30 minutes away from 2 HBCUs and have known dozens of friends and family members playing ball at HBCU's. (Nephew played for Bama A&M) and you are correct. These squads are not full of 5, 4, 3 or even 2 star athletes that grew up being pampered because of what they did on the field. These are guys that know the odds of them making the pros is almost zero, so for the most part they are guys that play for the LOVE of the game and play for the free education because they may have no other financial option and they know when they graduate, there won't be millions, there will be real life.
 
I would love to know the full "inside man" details of this situation.
 

Trotwood-Madison. Once a Ram, Always a Ram.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

No your wording was good to go. For some reason I was reading it as a false equivalence which is clearly not what you intended.

xrox's picture

"Could you imagine if this ever happened at a big FBS school? Peoples' heads would explode."
The only time I could see something like this happening at the FBS level would've been Paterno getting fired.
Not saying it would've been the right move by any means, but I bet a lot of players on that team disagreed with the decision to fire him at the time.
And peoples' heads definitely would've exploded. At least those outside Happy Valley.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Reading the expanded article on Deadspin...there was much more to the story with Grambling; the bus trip was one part of it. The school is broke, little to no state funding, fired Doug Williams unexpectedly, fired the interim coach; Williams wasn't paid bonuses owed, it is a total disaster there.
 
http://deadspin.com/whats-behind-the-grambling-football-teams-protest-14...

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

buckskin's picture

Maybe Grambling officials are trying to get rid of the football program and watched Major League over the weekend.