Kirk Herbstreit Tells SEC Fans to "Claim" Tennessee's Loss to Oregon

By DJ Byrnes on September 18, 2013 at 2:10p
this will never not be funny

Kirk Herbstreit, whom Ramzy and Jason gave a proper fisking this morning, seems to delight in Oregon's dumping of Tennesseee just as much as anyone outside southeast America:

I don’t think they intentionally ran it up, but I’ll tell you this: The SEC, it’s unique about their fan base. There are fourteen schools. When one of them wins a national championship, all fourteen carry the flag for the national championship. They all claim it. They all claim the national championship like they won it together. So when Tennessee gets ambushed by Oregon, they need to all get their flag out together and accept that loss to Oregon.

It’s funny, when you get outside of the PAC-12, people kind of poo-poo Oregon as if that Oregon speed can’t match up with the bigger schools that have big defensive linemen. I’m telling you, the fan in me wants to see Oregon get a chance in the big game against an SEC powerhouse like Alabama or LSU in the national championship. People want to say LSU already played Oregon. That was different time in a different era and a different LSU team. Oregon was very young with De’Anthony Thomas and some of their true freshmen. Oregon does not get the credit they deserve on a national level. Right now, them and Alabama are on a different playing field than everybody else after the first three weeks.

Fair play, Herbstreit, but Oregon already got its national title match-up with an SEC power, so hopefully they're on the outside looking in come January. (Hurry up, playoff!!!)


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awlinBrutus's picture

Herbies face is priceless,lol


AndyVance's picture

Given that Oregon already leapfrogged a much-improved and now 15-0 Ohio State team led by two-time national-championship-winning coach Urban Meyer in the polls, I'm finding it hard to swallow his comments that "no one gives Oregon any respect." Huh?
We've been hearing for years about how amazing Oregon is, how flashy they are, how fast they are, blah blah blah blah. Remember the hype leading up to the 2010 Rose Bowl, anyone? And yet the plodding plowhorses of the Big Ten handled the Ducks like they were a 4-H Project at the Franklin County Fair.
Where's the respect for the Buckeyes, Herbie, huh?
And yes, SEC fans should all wallow in Tennessee's loss, 'cause S-E-C, baby.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

So far the UNSTOPPABLE Oregon offense has been stopped by tOSU, LSU, Stanford and others.

AirForceNUT's picture

You realize this is a different team than when OSU and LSU played them?  That's like saying USC is better than us because they beat us in 2009.

AndyVance's picture

You realize this is a different team than when OSU and LSU played them?  That's like saying USC is better than us because they beat us in 2009.

This is a very good and valid point, however, one must pose the question (since teams tend to change more over time than they do in any given season), is the Oregon team of today better than the team that was soundly defeated by Ohio State and Louisiana State?
With the USC example we can say decisively and objectively that USC is not better today than they were in 2009, and we can also say with a fair amount of confidence that they would not beat Ohio State today.
So it's fair to say that Oregon was defeated by teams like Ohio State and Louisiana State, because they have not consistently proven that they can beat those big-time teams outside their conference, similar to SEC homers saying that Ohio State can't hang with them since we've only managed to beat Arkansas in the now-redacted Sugar Bowl, but were bloodied by LSU and Florida. Make sense?

AirForceNUT's picture

You definitely make a point Andy.  It just bothers me when teams get judged for how they did 4, 5, 6+ years ago.  In my opinion, I believe this Oregon team will be better than the one we played in the Rose bowl.  And I don't see Stanford beating them twice in a row.

AndyVance's picture

I agree, because we've been victims of that same mentality - just like when we won the Oregon game, we were cursed as the slow B1G team who couldn't beat the fast and flashy Oregon offense. It's not that I don't respect Oregon, I just think it's funny when people like Herbie say Oregon gets no respect, when the only team that gets more love from the national media is Alabama.
Not to keep grinding the axe, but the Rodney Dangerfield of the Top 5 this year is clearly Ohio State, in the face of some pretty compelling storylines.

Poison nuts's picture

Ahhhh, the 2010 Rose Bowl. I remember Chip Kelly actually coming out & saying OSU couldn't match up with Oregon's speed prior to the game. He was so cocky & I enjoyed that win more than almost any OSU win in my lifetime.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

opus's picture

Ah yes. I remember leading up to that game, he referred to Ohio State as a "three syllable offense", to their one syllable. 
I took great joy in telling my Duck friends that yes, "victory" is indeed three syllables. 

Hello_Heisman's picture

For purposes of this year's polls, OSU is not 15-0.  They're 3-0 and highly ranked, just like Oregon.  OSU's offense appears to be better but it remains to be seen whether the defense has significantly improved.  Urban Meyer's 2 national championships are great, but again they have nothing to do with this year's polls or Oregon's ranking relative to OSU. 
That's great that you referenced a bowl game loss by Oregon 4 years ago.  Since that loss, Oregon has put together a 2-game winning streak in BCS games and was the only team in the last half decade to give the SEC a serious threat in the BCS national championship game (they lost to Auburn on a last second field goal 3 years ago).  In total, they've played in 4 straight BCS bowl games and have gone 2-2.  Like it or not, they are every bit as legit as OSU right now if not more so.  Just because your team is ranked behind them doesn't mean OSU's not getting respect; Oregon is simply really really good.

60% of the time it works.....every time

AndyVance's picture

That's nice. Make a substantive case that Oregon > Ohio State.
My argument is that Oregon is getting plenty of respect, contrary to Mr. Herbstreit's assertions.
And now that I think about it, Ohio State isn't getting the respect it deserves, given that the voters dropped the Buckeyes over two straight weeks, leapfrogging an Oregon team who has beaten no one this season - so all those victories you cited mean no more than the wins I cited. Last season is last season - you can't have it both ways.
Oregon has beaten a slate of cupcakes this year, the same as Ohio State has. Have then done it in a more impressive fashion? Not really. They've scored a lot of points, which they always do. What they do not do, based on recent history, is stand up to teams with superior defenses, as others have wisely pointed out.

Hello_Heisman's picture

My point this early in the season is that it doesn't matter.  It's not implausible to think that Oregon is better than OSU or vice versa, so I'm not sure why it's worth getting fired up about dropping a spot or two in the polls.  Both teams are 3-0 and have played nobody.  In my opinion, Oregon has looked more impressive beating nobody than OSU has, but again it's irrelevant for now.  Both teams will get their chance to play real competition and then we'll see what happens. 
My point about the previous years wasn't that Oregon should be ranked ahead of OSU because of past accomplishments; it was to challenge your take that Oregon isn't as good as everyone makes them out to be.  You cited one bowl game 4 years ago and conveniently ignored the 3 that followed.  They are a legitimately good team year in, year out and while their past accomplishments shouldn't dictate this year's ranking, a loss they had against OSU 4 years ago shouldn't be used as an argument to infer that OSU is underrated in relation to Oregon.

60% of the time it works.....every time

AndyVance's picture

...and I wasn't "getting worked up" about OSU dropping in the polls, but rather arguing that Herbstreit's notion that the Ducks weren't getting enough respect was blatantly inaccurate based on the polls. Voters in two polls respected the Ducks enough to jump the Bucks.
Personally, I think the Ducks are every bit as overrated as we felt the Buckeyes were when they were named preseason #2. The Ducks are perennial "wow, shiny things" picks who don't have much more of a resume than the Buckeyes, who are perennially panned for not having much of a resume.

jaxbuckeye's picture

How about a little perspective on your touting their 2-2 record in bowl matchups.  Their two wins were against Wisconsin and Kansas State while their losses where to tOSU and Auburn.  You mention that they barely lost to Auburn but fail to mention that they barely beat a terrible Wisconsin team (you know, the team that ALREADY lost to a 6-7 tOSU that year!).   If you were to rank those four teams, in all likelihood the two teams they beat would be at the bottom.  I am not impressed.

thorvath22's picture

That Wisconsin team was nowhere near terrible my friend.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Defensively Wisconsin was kind of meh that year.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Hello_Heisman's picture

That was a damn good Wisconsin team they beat that year. Not sure if you've heard, but Russell Wilson might end up being a starting QB for an NFL playoff contender one day....

60% of the time it works.....every time

lippertini's picture

Spot on all the way through this thread.  Thank you very much for being a voice of objective reason, putting in the effort to write it down, and saving me the time of having to do it!

CALPOPPY's picture

You mean that OSU handled Oregon in the 2010 Rose Bowl like I handled my woodworking project that I showed in the Grange Hall at the FC Fairgrounds? I must admit, I completely OWNED That 4-H project. Those sawhorses and painted toy blocks were badass!

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

GoBucksOSU's picture

I'm glad Herbstreit came and called out SEC fans like everyone else has been doing for years now.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Oh my goodness. Reading through the comments left on that story has left me with moderate to severe diarrhea.  
Seriously though, I don't completely agree with Herbie on his take. I'm on board with his conference solidarity coat-tail riding comments, but he lost me on the "accepting the loss" business. I don't think anyone in their right mind actually thought Tennessee had a prayer against Oregon. So yeah, the Ducks took down an SEC team handily, but who cares? Tennessee is one of the worst teams in the conference and has been for for several years with a new coach, a bad defense, and without a competent QB. If Oregon had played a better SEC team and took them out, then I'd be more inclined to agree with him. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yeah, I agree that the best policy is no coattail riding, either way (wins or losses).
But SEC fans set the standard, right? Tenn fans wave the SEC flag when Bama, FL or LSU win a NC. They don't say, "Sure, Bama beat the hell out of Notre Dame, but Bama is not indicative of the SEC in general. If Notre Dame had played Tenn, they'd have kicked some Vols' asses!" If they're going to assume collective victories, by logical extension, they must also assume collective losses. But then logic might not be a strong suit among typical SEC fans.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

But SEC fans set the standard, right? Tenn fans wave the SEC flag when Bama, FL or LSU win a NC.

Do they really, though? I would think Tennessee would be the one place in the conference where "cheering for the conference" is done with some ambivalence, because this era of national dominance has coincided with a downturn for the Vols program. After all, they actually won the first BCS championship, but it was in an era before cheering for the SEC became a thing, so in a way it's almost been lost to history. 
I couldn't tell from the context of that quote whether Herbie was chiding SEC people for claiming the championships of other schools, or if he was simply mentioning it as a fact of life that's really not a big deal, let alone something totally pathetic. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I do agree with his point that if they're all going to coattail off of the national titles by mostly Saban and Meyer, then they should be consistent and accept the loss of Tennessee getting their asses completely handed to them.  I also agree that they're best off without riding coattails.  Tennessee didn't win the national championship and Alabama didn't get their asses kicked by Oregon. 

Class of 2010.

teddyballgame's picture

Good thing he didn't go to Oregon otherwise he'd have to hold his tongue.

Bucksfan's picture

Oregon has had several chances against big opponents over the last few years, and they did not come through the way everyone expected them to.  They lost the national title against Auburn because they were sloppier than Auburn was.  They were outclassed by LSU, and out-muscled by Ohio State, a team they were expected to steamroll.  They finally won the Rose Bowl against Wisconsin, a team that no one really considers a powerhouse, a team that lost to eventual 6-7 Ohio State that year.
Don't get the credit they deserve?  They're ranked #2 in both polls, and it's not the first time.  Oregon gets plenty of respect.  But he's right that the SEC needs to start claiming their really bad losses.  It would help if the pundits started pointing them out.

BrewstersMillions's picture

They sure look like classic front runners. Anytime anyone is more physical than Oregon, they tend to come out victorious. That offense is fun to watch but the Italian sports car analogy thrown at Braxton Miller the last few weeks really applies to the Ducks. They don't seem to respond well to being punched in the mouth\knocked off their game.

Earle's picture

And I know just the team to do it...

Snarkies gonna snark. 

Buckeye in Illini country's picture


Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  "We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!"

Athens BuckCat's picture

His comments on SEC fans all claiming the titles and brushing off any losses are spot on in my opinion. Been bothered by that for years now


I only laugh when UK football fans try to claim a piece of an SEC national title. That is pure comedy right there.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

FitzBuck's picture

Save some of those laughs for Vandy and Mississippi ST.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

FROMTHE18's picture

This is coming from a guy who A) spends 90% of the time celebrating every SEC accomplishment and B) bailed on Columbus for SEC country. Make up your mind Kirk. 

CincyOSU's picture

Nothing makes you happy does it? Here is an example of Herbie being critical of the SEC, and you still have to find some way to slam the guy.
And he moved to Nashville...the home of Vanderbilt(how is that the "heart" of SEC country?). I would hardly call that "bailing" on Cbus for the SEC.
It's opinions like yours that probably caused him to move.

-1 HS
FROMTHE18's picture

Here is an example of him finally saying something critical of the SEC. Also I am allowed to have an opinion. It was actions of fans that made him leave because he felt harassed. Mind your personal attacks there and have a tiny bit of respect for a dissenting opinion. What I have to say is hardly harmful. 

CincyOSU's picture

1) How did I personally attack you? Did I call you a name? Call you out by name in a post you didn't even comment in? I posted an opinion based on your history of posts.
2) It's the actions of fans that are constantly nit picking his every word...much like you and other do on here.
3) You, and your other Anti ESPN/Anti Herbstreit club members, show me ZERO why would I respect you?

-1 HS
cinserious's picture

I think we finally uncovered cincyosu's true identity. Its HERBIE!

One day I will valiantly become a political prisoner of 11W jail.

CincyOSU's picture

 More lame jokes/insults from the club. Par for the course.

-1 HS
kevinfrenchfry's picture

it is a personal attack, his opinion isn't harmful like he said so what is the motivation for your confrontational response. A) is IS indeed personal or B) (and what i think) your always looking for a fight, neither is appropriate, hence your down votes

CincyOSU's picture


it is a personal attack, his opinion isn't harmful like he said so what is the motivation for your confrontational response

Funny you say that, because I get blasted by down votes from the Club for posting my goes both ways my friend.

hence your down votes

You say that as if people actually down vote per 11w guidelines.

-1 HS
Buckeyevstheworld's picture

There's a ESPiN hate club on 11w? Why wasn't I invited? :(

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

AndyVance's picture

Maybe it's a premium club and you don't have enough helmet stickers to get in yet... But then, how would anyone else know about it, either???

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

You might have to be a mod.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

AndyVance's picture

That explains a lot...

faux_maestro's picture

He's also is giving props to a team that just jumped us in the polls. Coincidence? 

Your mom told me she wants a Dicken Cidar.

CincyOSU's picture

He's also is giving props to a team that just jumped us in the polls. Coincidence?

I hope you are joking.

-1 HS
faux_maestro's picture

Not joking, and not at all shocked by your reply.

Your mom told me she wants a Dicken Cidar.

CincyOSU's picture

Didn't think so, but glad we have confirmed the identity of another one of the club members.

-1 HS
Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's opinions like yours that probably caused him to move.

We knew that Herby had a paper thin skin, but if he was chased away by opinions, I guess we didn't appreciate the full scope of Herby's pathology. Get well soon, Herby.

BeijingBucks's picture

Herbie was chased away for all the reasons mentioned in Ramzy's expose earlier... And more.  There are many apologists out there for him. And I understand cause he was a Buckeye.  
But the disparaging remarks his 'journalistic integrity' has deemed appropriate to utter

None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. ~ John Milton

BME_Buckeye's picture

As someone 
who follows sec forums this is true. They claim UT isn't a real sec team and that the sec is ruled by 6 teams. But when UF and UGA lost they bailed on them and said they suck, make excuses or say sec west sec west. Then they get mad because the people in the media have it out for them and write bad press about those teams only to blame the losers of ooc game. Damn you gators and bulldogs. Sec fans are full of shit and posting on and reading the Rant makes me feel dumber everyday.

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.


Hello_Heisman's picture

That's the dumbest thing ever.  Saying that UT isn't a real SEC team is like saying that Wisconsin or Michigan aren't real B1G teams.  UT has a more successful history than most of the other schools in that conference, save for Alabama.

60% of the time it works.....every time

weirdscience's picture

As someone who used to live in the South, I can confirm that this is totally true. For a conference that supposedly sticks together, they are awfully fickle. I can't tell you how many times I used to hear "them boys are an embarrassment to the ESH-EE-SHEE!"

tennbuckeye19's picture

You are correct. SEC fans are fickle. 
Living near Nashville, for years all I heard was that Vanderbilt might suck, but they keep the academics up for the rest of the conference. 
I've also heard SEC fans say "they only keep Kentucky in the conference because of their basketball team". 
When OSU beat Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl a few years back, I had SEC fans tell me that they didn't beat a real SEC team. Their reasoning: Arkansas joined the conference in 1992. They weren't an "original" member. I about lost my mind. 
But then this past year when Johnny Foosball won the Heisman, those same fans were pumping their chests about the conference winning another Heisman. Uh, wasn't that A&M's 1st year in the conference? Are they a "real" SEC team? 

kevinfrenchfry's picture

dont get me wrong i agree with the last chunk of your post but i do tend to be one of the people who believes in beating the "establishment." I mean that sugar bowl game was a fun little treat while it lasted but lets be real ARKANSAS? This is a team that would be about as relevent as tennessee right now if not for felix jones, darren mcfadden and ryan mallett. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

I get what you're saying, but Kentucky and Vanderbilt are part of the SEC "establishment" and beating them does very little for ya. 
South Carolina and Arkansas have been in the SEC since 92, and 20 years is long enough. I don't think of Penn State as not a "real" member of the B1G even though they've only been in the league since 93. The "establishment" argument to me is pretty silly.

weirdscience's picture

Exactly. Sort of highlights how silly it is to cheer for a 'conference,' especially in this era of realignment.  

Chief B1G Dump's picture

I think Herbie speaks for everyone who lives outside of the lower right hand corner of the US and A.
The University of SEC and its 14 branch campuses have become the bane of the remaining 120 colleges in D1. It was more fun when SEC football was just a bunch of thugs running fly routes and would get road grated by physical B1G teams. But as they say, it takes money to make money...and times have changed. Im hoping theyre about to change again with the SEC's blockade of the crystal ball to be over.

RedStorm45's picture

Why is he just calling out UT/Oregon?  Clemson over UGA ring a bell?  I haven't followed the OOC games for Vandy, Miss State, etc. but I'm sure they have a couple of other losses out of conference.
Until Oregon can beat Stanford, I don't really care about the Ducks playing an SEC power.  As it's pointed out, they already did.  And scored, what, 19 points?
Does Herbie still have a ballot vote?  Obviously he'll be putting Oregon ahead of OSU for that #2 spot based on the "fan" in him from that quote.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I would say he's calling them out because Oregon made it a laugher. Had Gurley stayed in against Clemson, it might have turned out differently.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Ahh Saturday's picture

Not going to engage in any good old-fashioned Herbie bashing, or get all tin-hatty about ESPN, but they've been beating the drum pretty loudly early in the season looking for an Oregon-Bama BCSCG.

Hovenaut's picture

Kirk Herbstreit
OSU alum, company man. 

Ahh Saturday's picture

And btw, what has Alabama done to show that they are on "a different playing field" at this point? Was it the total absence of defense against TAMU, or the total lack of offense against VaTech?

Jeeves's picture

Precisely, Alabama has been relying on some really big plays that typically are not sustainable throughout a whole season. The one thing they do have again is an offensive line that looks like they have been inflated to blimp size proportions. ATM's d-line stood no chance.

741's picture

Let the healing begin. (I keed.)

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Commented : 4 hours ago Heck, yeah, I love the SEC. I was a huge Buckeye fan up until OSU decided to use an over rated quarterback to lose 4 consecutive bowl games. This reinforces my belief that those who cannot do……teach; those who cannot teach…..critique; With these three options, it appears that Herb has a long career ahead of him as an ANALyst

This guy....definition of fairweather fan AND douche-rocket all in one...when did we have an "over-rated quarterback that lost 4 consectutive bowl games?  Troy was 1-1 in BCS games if my memory serves me correctly...Win in the Fiesta Bowl against the golden domers and a loss in the MNC game against the gators...(2-1 if you count the Fiesta Bowl win against the wildcats two years prior, but he wasn't eh quarterback then...he was a kick returner...

"At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team.  This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

It's pretty obvious that he made up the fact that he was a fan.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Knarcisi's picture

He still has a crush on Chip. 

You can't spell chump without UM's picture

There were more games than just UT-Oregon. There was Oklahoma State beating Mississippi State. Clemson beating LSU last year in the Chick-Fil-A bowl. Clemson beating Georgia this year. Miami beating Florida. Northwestern beating Mississippi State last year. Louisville beating Florida last year. I still remember when Cincinnati played Vanderbilt, the SEC fans kept saying that a Big East team had no chance against an SEC team. Then Cincinnati won and their reponse was that Cincinnati was the 2nd best team in the Big East and they barely beat an average SEC team. They're so hypocritical, they're almost as bad as TTUN fans. Sometimes even worse.

Brady Hoke ate my comment

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bedheadjc's picture

So this means he'll be moving back to CBus?

Poison nuts's picture

Haha - that was my first thought on the story.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

JozyMozy's picture

come ON, Kirk. Grow some thicker skin. You're literally paid to take a very public stance on college football issues- not everyone is going to agree. Learn to handle the banter and not get your feelings hurt so much. It's embarrassing the way he responds to every bit of public backlash like this.

Jeeves's picture

I disagree, its refreshing that he is taking on these idiotic, coddled, mouth breathers. This may be a side of Herbie I have never seen.

Buckeyeneer's picture

The follow up post to this is:

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

LouGroza's picture

Using the term "lunatic" in any way toward SEC fans isn't something to be putting out there via twitter. Look for Kirk to be searching for his next state to call home soon.

gobucks96's picture

and he thinks our fans are a bit crazy... They not only threaten people down there, they go after your plants too!

Poison nuts's picture

Maybe Oregon?

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

maybe? i have already seen satellite photos ofthe fortress they are building for him in the forest to protect him for the future hyping of oregon as well as to shield him from from the angry mob that perpetually haunts him

razrback16's picture

Kinda funny he lashes out at the SEC monster that folks like himself helped to create in the first place.

okiebuck's picture

Personally I don't give a rip what Herbstreit has to say; he's just like the rest of the morons; (Corso & Holtz excluded) on ESPN who's BS flows freely from their pie holes!  

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

kevinfrenchfry's picture

i wish i could think this way and honestly would be truly suprised if you actually do but ill take your word for it lol.  its hard for me because they have just been slowly but surely shaping the way college football is perceived and i dont like the way college football is perceived so whenthey say something i dont like...i dont like it. (this quote by herbie uncharacteristically puts the sec on blast but don't worry he still wearing those Nike cream filled green and yellow compression shorts

southbay's picture

I'm thinking UT expected to do better than they did in Eugene. Seems to me one of the big questions, still, is just how vulnerable are SEC defenses to spread/up-tempo/mobile QB offenses. Maybe that is what Herbstreit is poking at.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I don't know. I don't know anyone in Tennessee that thought UT was gonna play well in Eugene. There were fans upset that UT didn't try to back out of the game. Nobody expected much from them in that game.
You are correct on spread offenses and mobile QB's. They have been the kryptonite for Alabama's defense the last several years. Of course 2 of those QB's (Newton & Manziel) are from the SEC.

Jeeves's picture

Well to say Manziel is from the sec while technically correct just sounds a bit disingenuous. Only because ATM were still in the B12 when he was recruited.

Larryp713's picture

Preach, Herbie!!! About time somebody said it!



AAStagg's picture

Right now, them and Alabama are on a different playing field than everybody else after the first three weeks.

Them are?  Really, Herby, was English not a required course when you roamed the halls at tOSU?
C'mon man.  You're on TV.  Kids watch.  Learn to speak your native tongue.

Keep calm.  It's only a game.