Ohio State-Florida: The New Cold War

By Kyle Rowland on July 18, 2013 at 9:30a
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The rivals who don't play.

One hour southwest of Toledo sits one of the most confused towns in the state of Ohio: Florida. The village of 231 people sits on the banks of the Maumee River in Henry County and even has a market by the name Miami.

Cruise down High Street, through the center of town, and you’ll see rows of middle-class houses on the river. People sitting on their front porch will wave as you drive by on Route 424 to destinations such as Defiance and Napoleon. And Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame flags fly from the flagpoles.

But any beach is on a riverbank, not an ocean, and the snowbirds you’ll find are actual snowbirds. A winter locale this Florida is not. It actually was designated as a “semi-ghost town,” towns that have less than 10 percent of the business and/or population they once had.

With barbs flying between the state’s two flagship football programs, all the venomous talk about Florida in the Buckeye State could have residents of Ohio’s Florida in a tizzy. Fear not, many of them being Ohio State fans, they understand the back and forth.

Florida fielded its first football team in 1906, and it went 100 years without playing Ohio State. Neither school gave the other much thought until the 1996 season. They each finished with one loss, but the Gators were crowned national champions after beating No. 1 Florida State – a team it lost to in November – 52-20 in the Sugar Bowl. The Buckeyes finished second, which gave t-shirt entrepreneurs an opportunity to cash in. Shirts featuring both schools’ helmet with the words “Let’s Play Now” became popular in Columbus. Still, there wasn’t venom between the universities.

But they have been adversaries ever since the 2007 BCS National Championship Game. The animosity started on Dec. 23, when the Gators embarrassed the Buckeyes on the basketball court, 86-60. It reached a fever pitch 15 nights later when Florida, coached by Urban Meyer, beat Ohio State for the football title, 41-14. Incredibly, the two schools would meet again for college basketball’s national championship, and again the Gators won. 

Three Florida wins sparked a Cold War-esque rivalry. The teams have played once more in football – a Florida victory in the 2012 Gator Bowl – and three times in basketball – all Ohio State wins – but the bulk of the action has been a war of words.

A segment of the Florida fan base did not take kindly to Meyer being retired for just one season before stepping back into the limelight at Ohio State, two national titles be damned. Meyer has spoken highly of his experience in Gainesville many times, but that was all dismissed when it came to light that the Buckeyes turned in the Gators for an apparent recruiting violation not once, but twice. And don't forget Florida swooping in and taking punter Johnny Townsend on National Signing Day in February. 

Meyer denied any NCAA involvement, though it was reported he was “aware” of the situation and “endorsed it.” The relationship between Meyer and Florida head coach Will Muschamp can be described as lukewarm at best. Muschamp and the Florida media have directly and indirectly chided Meyer for leaving the current regime with little talent and a fractured locker room. The Gators finished 7-6 in Muschamp’s first season, but an 11-2 campaign a year ago erased the impression that he was handed a talentless, broken team.

The spat intensified this week at SEC media days when Muschamp sarcastically acknowledged Ohio State for referring them to the NCAA while taking a jab at the Buckeyes’ recent improprieties.

“We appreciated our friends from Ohio making sure we’re compliant with NCAA rules,” he said, channeling his inner Brady Hoke. “They certainly know a little bit about that subject.”

Muschamp called it a “dead issue,” but clearly it left him miffed. The incident in question was an illegal “bump,” when coaches make contact with recruits during dead periods. Ohio State believed Florida running backs coach Brian White, who Meyer hired at Florida, had some sort of communication with a recruit. No rule was broken, according to the SEC.

Aside from the cheating or no cheating, Meyer was upset he was connected to the case, especially when it is routine for teams to turn other teams in for suspected violations. 

“It is absolutely not true that I turned in the University of Florida,” Meyer said. “Weeks after, I learned our compliance guy (without any coach involvement) forwarded an article to the conference office. This is standard procedure. Once again, zero coach involvement.”

Meyer’s detractors, and even Florida fans, would say coach involvement, or a lack thereof, contributed to Aaron Hernandez’s downward spiral. Asked about a coach’s responsibility in relation to players’ off-filed conduct, Muschamp said, “It’s my job to be an extension of what’s happened at home. You’re 100 percent responsible for the young man. You can’t stick your head in the sand and pretend everything’s OK.”

It had the appearance of being a shot across the bow at Meyer, who’s arrest numbers at Florida are well-documented. Thirty-one players were apprehended by police during his six-year tenure. In the past year, multiple national media outlets have run stories about the run-ins with the law.

Florida players gave the impression of a win-at-all-costs program that was powerful and flying out of control.

“Toward the end of Coach Meyer’s time here, a lot of guys were out for themselves,” defensive lineman Omar Hunter said. “Not buying into the team concept. He was out for himself, so they thought the same thing.

“A lot of things were sliding. Guys were showing up late to practice and workouts. Guys were supposed to be back on Sunday and didn't get back until Monday. There was no discipline.”

But Meyer suspended and kicked several Gators off the team, including Cam Newton, who would go on to have arguably the greatest season in college football history. It was not a lawless program, and it hasn’t been all rainbows and sunshine at Florida since Muschamp arrived. The Gators had nine arrests in the first 13 months after he took over. The bottom line, though, is wins and losses. Fans might not want thugs associated with their alma maters and favorite teams, but the number in the “W” column remains the ultimate grader.

In Meyer’s first two seasons, Florida was 22-4 with a national championship and SEC title. Muschamp is 18-8 and the only championship he has came from a second-tier bowl game.

The change in attitude of Florida fans in such a short timespan has been remarkable. It’s possible no national championship-winning coach is a bigger pariah at the school he brought titles to than Meyer, save for Nick Saban at LSU. Meyer was beloved by Gator Nation, a level that approached the outpouring of gratitude Steve Spurrier receives every time he returns home.

To free fall from that high up is remarkable. Because of the hostility, Ohio State is now in the same class as Florida State, Georgia, Tennessee and Alabama when it comes to the most hated opponents in Gainesville. Even a player Meyer recruited to Florida said recently that he “really wants” to play Ohio State in a bowl game.

If the two teams played for the national championship in the social media age, Twitter would be a land of trash talk, the storylines would be abundant and Meyer could give Gator fans a lifetime of ammo for dislike. Losing to the coach who elevated your program to mountainous heights is akin to an ex-girlfriend showing up to a party with a good-looking guy.

Even worse for Florida supporters would be Meyer orchestrating a resounding victory.    

They certainly know about the subject. 

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Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

This is about as true as it gets. As a Florida native, few things are more despicable than to see the butthurt, bandwagon nature that drove all of "Gator Nation" from loving everything that is Urban Meyer, to swearing that he is the anti-christ. I hope we get a chance at them in the coming years so that we can finally put this 'war' to test on the real battlefield (IMO the Gator Bowl was a joke that we shouldn't of been put in if not for the drama of hiring UFM)

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

lljjgg's picture

The Gator Bowl was a tough game to watch. You could tell there were quite a few players on each team that cared (Florida native Ryan Shazier stood out to me), but largely you had two teams coming off of very poor years who seemed really developmentally lost to me. I don't think I can remember seeing a more dispirited OSU team in my entire OSU-fandom than that one. Florida was still going through growing pains, and you could tell that Muschamp was having a tough time trying to fit Florida's talent (spread-based, skill heavy remnants of the Meyer era) to his desired offensive system (pound 'em pro-style), so they basically ran a defacto spread with the occasional pro-style look despite the fact that he seemed to have no interest whatsoever in it. Kind of where I saw Michigan towards the end of the year last year (spread talent, but w/Hoke having an obvious desire to move towards a pro-style offense with Gardner).

The other reason the Gator Bowl sticks out to me was a really weak rushed extra point by Florida to avoid getting a replay on what was pretty obviously, to anyone watching, a dropped TD pass. That score ended up being pretty much the difference in the game.

Poison nuts's picture

Your whole assessment about that game correct IMO - Interesting bit... I went to the game & that pass that TD was dropped...Luke Fuckell ran out on the field to call a TO before the extra point try & the official right next to him ignored him. I was right behind the bench. Frankly, Fickell should've thrown a fit over it - as he had been no more than 5 feet from the official hollering for a T.O. & the guy literally ignored him...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

I was at the game, too. Around Mid-level on the Gator bench's side. Terrible call but we certainly didn't deserve to win it (or at least our special teams didn't). Just glad that the stink of that season washed off pretty quickly in 2012.

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

That was my daughter's first Buckeye Game. She let out her first 'parent heard' curse word on that play. It was an excruciating game to watch.

On a side note, as I have talked about before, my daughter has a team of cardiologists at UF (we live in Panama City Beach). We see them bimonthly and it just so happens we are going this upcoming Tuesday. Was thinking about trolling them a bit and making up some t-shirt. We always sport our Buckeye gear, but given Muschump's recent comments, was thinking of doing something special.

Suggestions?

PS one of her Docs is an Auburn fan and the other is FSU and two others are uninterested in sports, so no worries there. Shands is an excellent facility and her care has been eexceptional. Shame it's littered with UF students.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Poison nuts's picture

Haha - Nobody deserved to win that game.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

FROMTHE18's picture

I think its surprising how little tradition florida has outside of the Meyer years

cplunk's picture

Besides the Meyer years and the Spurrier years, they really haven't been a true top tier program. Very good, but not great.
They are in many ways the opposite of Tennessee. Tennessee gets no respect due to their recent downturn, despite being one of the ten best programs in collegiate history, ahead of both Florida and LSU. Meanwhile, Florida gets major respect due to basically two recent periods of great play that, historically, are an anamaly (I can never spell that word, so I'm sure it is wrong)

Haybucks's picture

anomaly - close enough to understand what was meant, must be peculiar, irregular, abnormal ;)
and also true about how people fixate of the present being the norm.  UT Knoxville was always one of the powers of the SEC.  How soon they forget and it might be this mentality that keeps UT from rebuilding.

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
 

AndyVance's picture

It is fascinating to me that the two most successful and beloved head coaches in school history - Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer, both left Florida fairly abruptly and ultimately took their talents elsewhere.
Spurrier won six SEC titles and a consensus National Championship; Urban won two Conference Championships and two National Titles in five years for the Gators, and said "enough's enough."
I'm not drawing any conclusions here, I just find it very interesting that the two guys who put Florida on the map decided it was high time to get out of Dodge.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

^ AV, you hit the nail on the head. It's no small wonder Meyer's health started to deteriorate. Say what you will about him losing his best assistants, that pressure cooker (i.e. hellhole) likely did as much if not more harm than losing Dan Mullen or Greg Mattison. People then try to point fingers at Meyer for Hernandez. Me thinks its the UF culture. That place has got to be the Black Hole of college football where not even light can escape.

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OurHonorDefend09's picture

I won't go posting any rumors about why he left UF on the boards, but I have heard from several people covering the team a "real" reason why he left. It can't, nor ever will be proved, so it is not really even worth discussing. However, I'm not complaining about it either way because I couldn't be happier that he's a Buckeye.

Don't give up... Don't ever give up.

Kaceybrown's picture

You work at Kennedy space center? Guessing from your name.

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

Assuming that was directed at me. No, I am currently an Aerospace Engineering student at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach (specializing in Astronautics). So, as of now I don't work for Kennedy but check back in a couple years and you never know! :)

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

Kaceybrown's picture

Good luck man. I hope you end up there if that's what you want. I live just south of it so we get to see all the launches. There's 1 tomorrow (Friday July 18th) as a matter of fact. 

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

Thank you very much! I live about 2 hours south of Canaveral but have made it up for a few launches, including the last night launch of the shuttles. Simply amazing! 2nd only to tOSU kicking TSUN around the ol' gridiron!

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Muschamp's team got wrecked by a Big East team. He shouldn't be talking at all.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Combine the bitter angry fans Miami and Florida, I believe OSU now occupies the most hated team in that state!!!

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

You forgot FSU. They hate Urban too. Snatching Holmes away just made it worse.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Kaceybrown's picture

I'm good friends with a few fsu fans so we share mutual respect (even root for) each others teams. I haven't met many gator fans that aren't completely conceded though. Honestly, if the gators never played another football game it wouldn't bother me at all. 

Shayla39's picture

My grandparents lived in Florida, Ohio and my aunt & uncle still do.  Good memories.

Buckabroad's picture

I would tell Muschamp the same thing I would tell a TTUN player: "Talk is cheap, just ask Mr. Hart." Until he puts up on the gridiron, he should consider being more reserved in his choice of words.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

Oyster's picture

Unfortunately, he has done it on the gridiron.  2011 Gator Bowl, so he is 1-0 versus OSU and Florida as a school is 2-0. 

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

avail31678's picture

meh...i think jury is still out.  In that Gator Bowl season they were 7-6.  Last year's season was decent - won a lot of games, but not by much.  And then there's the whooping they took against a Big East team in the BCS Bowl.

TheShookster's picture

I still can't believe what happened in Glenville. Every now and then I masochistically watch the "highlights" of that game and still can't figure out what went wrong. 
The only way to TRULY right what happened that night is to blast Florida for the national title in Pasadena. It would be almost as satisfying beating any other SEC team, but I want the Buckeyes to play the gators. 

WyoBuckeye's picture

I think you mean Glendale.

TheShookster's picture

That I do. Although who knows, maybe something bad happened in Glenville that night too.

cinserious's picture

Beating the Gaters in the Rose Bowl would be awesome but I still think beating Alabama and Saban would be more gratifying. Hell throw LSU in there and I would be happy with beating any of them for the NC.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

Cavluv23's picture

I honestly think dealing with those knuckle heads down there is what burnt urbz out .... the SEC and its mercinary quarterbacks, over signing and its win at all cost tactics breeds the kind of attitude those kids have ...and urbz got tired of dealing with it .... I got one idiot under my supervison at work and sometimes it physically drains me trying to get a good days work out of him ... I can only imagine a team full ...Imo

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painterlad's picture

Florida is a stepping stone to big time football and Meyer exposing that truth is what caused the most butthurt.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

RunEddieRun1983's picture

So much of a stepping stone that UFM himself busted the asses of Buckeye nation as the gators head coach?  C'mon man, scarlett colored glasses much?  I love OSU as much as the next guy but give the Gators their due, they've been relevant for a good while now.  Meyer is a LARGE part of that new found relevancy granted, but they've maintained and been in BCS bowls since his departure.  Let's keep it in perspective.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

Well said. As a Buckeye and Big Ten faithful, I often am critical of the relative lack of historical success at schools, including UF, but, as of late at least, they do deserve some merit. Had ups-and-downs but are always at least top 20, arguably often top 10, material since Urban's reign.

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

RunEddieRun1983's picture

Agreed, I mean I  love the B1G and know overall what it has meant to college football, but to say that UF hasn't been a contending program and are merely a stepping stone is overlooking a large bit of history of college football over this past decade and really is a discredit to our current head coach.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

painterlad's picture

Yes, Florida has been good for about 20 years, but if you think that Meyer made a lateral move you are kidding yourself. There are maybe five or six programs that are even with The Ohio State University, and Florida isn't one of them.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

AndyVance's picture

Correct - Florida is not a "destination" program yet, and it may never become so as long as it has Alabama to contend with for SEC supremacy (not to mention Georgia and LSU). As I noted above, the fact that the two most successful head coaches in school history - Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer - choose to seek greener pastures rather than grow fat and happy over a long and storied career at U of F says quite a bit about the state of affairs in Gainesville.

Savage45's picture

And Spurrier is a UF alum to boot!

harleymanjax's picture

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

RunEddieRun1983's picture

Honestly?  This is a totally dead issue.  The coach speak and he said-he said stuff is so stupid.  Why further this with stories and nonsense?  Unless tOSU plays Florida on the field can't this just go away?  Muschamp and Meyer are 0-0 against one another as head coaches...  Why even bother?  The B1G has enough rivalries and things that are founded on ACTUAL games that this is totally unnecessary. 

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

Poison nuts's picture

I have said from day one of UFM's hiring that I hope OSU plays UF for the NC & sooner rather than later. Obviously, I would then hope that OSU murders them...When you live in Florida & see how some of these fans are, you would not like them very much, I promise. 

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Oyster's picture

I would offer that the same is said about some of us here in Central Ohio too.  Actually, everywhere else for that matter, except for Appy St fans, only one sect of the population has disdain for them.

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

Poison nuts's picture

Sure, everyone hates other fanbases - I get it. But when you have some backwoods ass, jort wearing, cousin loving, toothless weirdo threatening to shoot a Urban Meyer, (seriously - no exaggeration - I heard a conversation at a restaurant where a guy said he'd kill UFM with a sniper rifle if he ever saw him) then you develop a serious dislike for them. I am also a Buckeye living amongst them, so I get a lot of genuine hostility thrown my way. It's just sports, but more UF fans than not (that I've met) take this shit way too serious. So while there are bad eggs in every bunch, this group is particularly lame from my vantage point.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

cinserious's picture

@Poisonnutz: Was this the hillbilly mouthing off at the restaurant? I'll kick his ass. Gaters suuux!

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

Poison nuts's picture

Get em!!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

avail31678's picture

My uncle went to the NC game against UF and said the UF fans were the most classless fans he'd ever seen.  Obnoxious was another word he used.

SilverBulletNYC's picture

Want to play Alabama this year in the NC and then Florida next year.

The South will NOT rise again!

WezBuck28's picture

I thi I would rather play Florida first, just to give us another year before bama..my reason being that Florida isn't as good as bama and I believe we could beat them without a doubt, which would give Ohio state more recognition and confidence..

txbucknut's picture

I second this motion.

iball's picture

Despite their recent success on the court and gridiron, they still are and always will be inferior as a school, athletic department and state. Floridians know this and it drives them crazy. Hater-ade.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

jthiel09's picture

Who doesn't love a good "Good vs. Evil" back and forth?
It's instances like this that make college football far superior to it's older brother, the NFL.

JT

Haybucks's picture

It's easy to see who the evil one is.  Replay the gif of the week...

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
 

phxbuck's picture

How about we beat the University of Florida in a sporting event that matters, let's start there. 

HighBallAce's picture

Muschamp was that way at Texas! He's just a blowhard jerk! I like the way Urban Meyer is taking the high road on this and not even hardly addressing the issue! 

txbucknut's picture

My guess is that he will address it next week at the BIG media days. At the very least, he'll definitely be asked about the comments Muschamp made. My guess is that he'll say he couldn't give a crap less about Mushcamp or his childish comments. 

Calgarybuck's picture

I love how they quoted Omar Hunter of all ppl, you mean the former high 4* recruit who kept showing up out of shape to spring practice and constantly being chewed out by Meyer for his lack of effort on and off the field? 

txbucknut's picture

So frustrating that the volleying back and forth between two teams like OSU and Florida (as I am sure Urban Meyer will be asked and respond to this next week at the BIG media days) are never guaranteed any closure by actually playing one another in a game to settle the score. I know realize the chances will be there as both teams could very well make it to the NCG, or play each other in a bowl game, but again no guarantee. I'd love to see these two teams schedule one another during the regular season. I want nothing more than for OSU to tear the Gators a new one, and wipe that stupid smirk off of Muschamp's friggin face. 

Dr. Ninjutzu's picture

I live in gainesville. I wore my Ted Ginn jersey to the swamp bar and grill for the 2007 national championship game and was booed by 2000+ people. Now I tell my gator friends that they are lucky Urban resigned and took a year off instead of staying at UF and leaving them for the bucks straight up

OSUs12-OH's picture

Great article with many good points.  This point below was my favorite though:-)

 "It was not a lawless program, and it hasn’t been all rainbows and sunshine at Florida since Muschamp arrived. The Gators had nine arrests in the first 13 months after he took over. The bottom line, though, is wins and losses. Fans might not want thugs associated with their alma maters and favorite teams, but the number in the “W” column remains the ultimate grader."

Even though this is very true...it's the problem that many of these guys who had issues were players Meyer recruited.  That's where FL fans and reporters alike are saying it was a lawless program bc it fits the villain perception of Meyer now.  In turn many who are just hating want him to be perceived as a villian.  It's a shame because they sure weren't crying when they were winning 2 NCs and 2 SEC championships.  I've been very quick to point that out to these FL fans that can't remember who won more NCs in FL's wonderful football history;-) 
 

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

cinserious's picture

Florida is the jelous ex-girlfreind who Urban dumped. Thats funny sh--! Quit being haterz gaterz and enjoy your MusCHUMP.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

onetwentyeight's picture

I'm glad you brought up Meyer dumping Cam Newton, since it contradicts every single anecdote about Meyer only being out for the Ws and putting football over all else. Such stories have been common lately with the Hernandez thing and all the arrest numbers constantly being brought up.
But Meyer kicked a guy off his team who was probably the most talented player college football has ever seen. You have to give him at least SOME credit for sticking by his morals if he does that. And it's not like he didn't know how good Cam was - he recruited him to succeed Tebow (and can you even imagine how good Cam would've been under Urban? - I don't think it's a stretch to say that Meyer cost himself another Ring by doing this). 

45has2's picture

Like all fan bases, the Gaytards' is littered with whiney crybabies, over sensitive blowhards and grudge embracing losers. Mike Bianchi at the Orlando Sentinel is a fine example of all three. On the other hand, my biggest customer is a huge Gator fan  (his father played for UF) and respects TOSU and UFM. He laughs at the mostly media induced hatred of The Bucks and Urb by UF fans and usually asks the rhetorical question: "Didn't Meyer win 2 NC's for the Gators?"

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

unholy bucknut's picture

Forget Florida we got too much great stuff going on for us right now here in Columbus. It's all talk and we shouldn't even entertain these clowns with responses. We have more class in our little toes than the entire Florida fan base. I say we act like it and let them run their mouths.

route4buckeye's picture

How fitting would it be for Ohio State and Florida to meet in the national title game this year to end the era of SEC dominance that we started.

OurHonorDefend09's picture

I think it's a 3 way tie between A&M, Alabama, and Florida, of who I would like the Bucks to play in the NC. 
 
A&M - I can't stand Manziel. He's so hateable it isn't even funny.
Alabama - To be the best, you have to beat the best. As of now, Alabama is the best. Plus, Saban would be so butthurt over losing to a spread offense.
Florida - While I hate Notre Dame and Michigan more than any schools out there, none have caused me as much suffering as Florida. Let's whoop'em.

Don't give up... Don't ever give up.

harleymanjax's picture

You know what really grinds my gears about Gator fans? BANDWAGON MUTHA FUCKAS!
When Urbz was down here, everybody was wearing the gear, flying flags from their cars and houses, talkin football 24/7!
Then the down year in 2011 and now I don't see half as many so called Gator fans down here! They have NO HISTORY, NO TRADITION OF EXCELLENCE!
Before Air Conditioning became a thing this state was just a big swamp!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"