Brady Hoke is Turning to NFL for Advice on Potentially Playing Buckeyes Twice

April 19, 2013 at 1:55p    by Jason Priestas    
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Brady Hoke said he's talked to some folks in the NFL about having to play a team twice.

With each team favored to win its Big Ten division, Ohio State and Michigan face the prospect of having to play each other twice in the span of seven days. This is unprecedented in the long history of college football's greatest rivalry, but Michigan coach Brady Hoke has a plan:

“I’ve tried to do some due diligence; guys in the NFL, maybe every two weeks, they play the same opponent,” Hoke said on Tim Brando’s SiriusXM radio show today. “My brother’s the secondary coach for the Bears; talking to him and talking to Lovie (Smith) while he was still there, how you handle it, what do you tweak, what do you do different, what do you stay with and all those things?

If an instant rematch is to happen, this will likely have to be the year for it as the two schools are rumored to be division mates when the Big Ten announces realignment plans to accommodate Rutgers and Maryland later this spring.


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73buckeye's picture

I guess it's never too early to plan, but it seems Jabba is getting the cart before the horse just a bit. First he's gotta beat Nebraska, the Spartans, Northwestern, Iowa (always a thorn in tTUN's side), not to mention the Bucks in the regular season, just to get the chance to get whipped twice. I think the odds are against him.

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hail2victors9's picture

You took the words out of my mouth hands.  Let's just get to the B1GCG before we worry about it.
However, I doubt this is high up on the priority list for the Michigan staff.  This is a slow time for everyone, even the media, so they might be stretching with this one a little.  Also, I'm not sure Michigan will be "favored" to win the division.  I mean, I think they'll get it done, but I'm sure Nebraska will have something to say.  Northwestern would get more talk, but their schedule is horrendous and they won't be able to overcome, IMO.

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Earle's picture

You took the words out of my mouth hands

It must have been while he was....no, never mind.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Hail might have got confused while looking at the above photo of Hoke. Apparently, when Hoke answers the door and sees that it's the pizza delivery guy, he always says, "from your hands to my mouth!"  

Baroclinicity's picture

I'm not sure many people got that.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Earle's picture

Perhaps not, but I amused myself, anyway.  On a related note, has anyone ever seen Brady Hoke and Meat Loaf in the same place?

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Baroclinicity's picture

I'm not ashamed to admit I have that album.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

MN Buckeye's picture

I am ashamed to admit I have that album.

ohiowhitesnake's picture

Nope he usually eats the whole thing

Earle's picture

Teed that one up for you.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Who in the hell thinks Michigan is favored to win the Legends Division? I have them at +/-8.3 wins in the 12 game regular season, with 3 projected losses in the Big Ten. 
In cross-divisional games, Michigan plays at PSU, which will be down but still decent, Indiana, and Ohio State. They play at Iowa, at MSU, and at NW, although they do get Nebraska at home.
Nebraska avoids Ohio State and Wisconsin - they get ILL, Purdue, at PSU in cross-division games. And Nebraska hosts NW, MSU, and Iowa.
MSU also avoids both Ohio State and Wisconsin - they get Indy, Purdue, ILL! But they do travel to face Iowa, Nebraska, and NW. 
Iowa and NW have the toughest schedules because they both get Ohio State + Wisconsin.
In other words, Nebraska and MSU are the two favorites to win that division. I might take the analysis a little deeper than merely comparing schedules if I thought Michigan was anything other than a so-so team, but since they're not, I won't bother.

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I might take the analysis a little deeper than merely comparing schedules if I thought Michigan was anything other than a so-so team, but since they're not, I won't bother.

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Hello_Heisman's picture

Fido - I hear you on Nebraska but I have to disagree with you on MSU.  Not so much because of the schedule, but because their QB and offense in general will likely be awful this year.  They lost too many key guys from last year's team (which wasn't that spectacular to begin with) so unless Maxwell improves at QB, I don't see it happening for them this year. 
I think Michigan beats them in East Lansing this year. 
I'm glad you think that Michigan is a so-so team.  Hopefully OSU's players will follow suit and take their rivals a little too lightly.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

HH - I think UM finishes 2nd in their division and will be better than so-so, but I'm wondering how you think they will do this season? 

Hello_Heisman's picture

Either 1st or 2nd in the division, probably depending on how much Nebraska implodes under Pelini.  Excluding the bowl game (because the matchups are always a crap shoot), I think they'll go either 9-3 or 10-2.  The swing game is The Game in AA.  If The Game was at the Shoe, I'd pick OSU in a heartbeat; in AA, I think Michigan has a 50/50 shot.
I think they're going to lose at NW and go 2-1 vs ND, MSU and Nebraska (2 of those 3 games are at home).  So I see them at 9-2 when your boys come to town to visit. 
If they go 10-2 and beat OSU, I'll consider it a successful season.
 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm not one who thinks that it matters in the least whether a blog reader and/or fan is taking another team lightly.
Michigan being a better than so-so team in 2013, given their graduation losses, is premised on several guys from the recently heralded recruiting classes stepping up - Kalis/Bosch, Jack Miller?, Braden?, RBs/H-Back, Darboh on offense, maybe Pipkins, Wormley/Godin, Ross/Bolden, J. Wilson.
Defensively, they might be fine, because they seem to upgrading talent and because of that witch, Mattison.
Offensively, though, Michigan is transitioning to a pro-style attack with quite a lot of youth at key positions. With a veteran OL and DR last year, they were 41st nationally in rushing and T-78th in sacks allowed. How will they run the ball and project the QB this year with an inexperienced OL, Gardner with no DR, and raw youth in the backfield? I see some growing pains.        
We'll also have to see how Gardner handles being "the man." Even worse, if Gardner misses any time, the backup QBs look very iffy.
As for MSU, you might be right, but you know they'll play their best game of the year against Big Brother and, if they can get an upset there, they do have a favorable schedule.

Hello_Heisman's picture

My faith in the team winning more than 8 games (I think 9-10) is based on what I saw from Gardner last year, especially in the Outback Bowl against SC.  You're right about needing some young guys to step up, but they do have a couple things going for them on the O-Line.  Having Schonfield and Lewan back gives them arguably the best pair of tackles in the conference.  So while they're breaking in new guys on the O-Line, at least it's the interior rather than the outside.  And speaking of last year's interior O-Line.....ummmm....they weren't very good.  At all.  After what I saw from them last year, I think I'd rather take my chances with younger, more talented guys. 
O-Line recruiting has been a big strength under Hoke so far, so it's time to see what some of these guys are made of.  They will struggle some but at least they'll have a lot more talent/upside than their predecessors did.  Gives me hope that they can turn into something pretty good by the end of the season.
There will definitely be some growing pains on offense, but I think you'll be surprised by the passing game, especially the chemistry between Gardner and Gallon.  They will be one of the top two passing/receiving combinations in the B1G this year.  Devin Funchess at TE will also give Gardner a nice receiving option.
The real key on offense will be who emerges at RB.  If Touissant can have a season like he did in 2011, or if Derrick Green can come in and make some big plays right away, then the offense should be in good shape.  Otherwise, there will be some seriously ugly, WTF-esque kind of moments along the way.
If Gardner gets hurt, all bets are off.  There's no sugar coating that one at all - they will struggle mightily without him.  They probably would have been in that position anyway with Bellomy, but they're in even worse shape now. 

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Are you worried about UM's defense? Mattison is a top notch DC, but how do you think their D plays, especially without Ryan @ LB? 

Hello_Heisman's picture

Yes, I do worry about their D without Ryan.  Luckily, most of the offenses in the B1G are so awful that there will be a number of weeks where it won't matter if he's in the lineup or not.  Obviously OSU is not one of those games. 
Getting Countess back in the secondary will help, and having James Ross and Joe Bolden at LB will at least give Michigan a couple athletic playmakers at the LB spot.  On D, I think the secondary will be better than last year (because of Countess), the LB's will be worse than last year (because of the Ryan injury) and the net improvement will come from the D-Line.  I think the front 4 will get more pressure on QB's this year than last. 

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nmaxwell's picture

i don't actually worry about the defense specifically, with the exception of a couple games (osu, maybe nebraska).  nobody else figures to have the explosive offense to strike quickly on michigan's defense.  
the pass rush generated specifically by the front 4 seems to have upgraded some (can't get much worse than it was), i think LB is the same as last year (because i think ross will be better at WILL than morgan was last year, and demens really played like crap for half the year or so at MIKE, and morgan seems to have done well there).  cam gordon is obviously not jake ryan, but i think he's played pretty well and his health and conditioning are where they need to be. the secondary should be better, i agree, as long as countess finishes healing well (i'd imagine starting countess, taylor/avery, wilson, gordon with avery/dymonte as the nickel back).
as guys above said, michigan's defense is consistently upgrading their talent.  i worry about keeping gardner healthy, because besides solid tackle play, the OL needs to gel fast.  they were confused quite a bit by stunts of the DL in spring games, and one nasty sack can have michigan seeing brian cleary coming off the bench (something i hope to never have to see)

RBuck's picture

I actually feel sorry for Brady Hoke's belt...so much stress.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Hovenaut's picture

Yep.....

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

BME_Buckeye's picture

Instead of turning to people in the NFL, it might be smart to ask his friends (if he has any) at Stanford or UCLA how to combat the potential issue since it happened last year with them. If you're in the division with the Bears you're going to play the Packers twice but you rarely see it in back to back weeks. I think Hoke could probably be a bit more pragmatic than seeking out advice that may not be 100% applicable. Either do that or think W.W.B.D.

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

W.W.B.D.? Fire Hoke!

BuddhaBuck's picture

He would like the final scores of defeat to be closer. Can you blame him?
Game 1 - tOSU 45 - scUM 17
Game 2 - tOSU 42 - scUM 20

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MN Buckeye's picture

Don't you learn a lot about your team's performance and matchups from the first game.  Are there not halftime adjustments?  Oh, they have Borges . . . 

Hello_Heisman's picture

Hey, that's just not fair. In the first half of last year's game, Michigan moved the ball and scored 21 points. In the second half, Michigan didn't move the ball and scored zero points. Sounds like a halftime adjustment was made, it just wasn't a *good* adjustment!

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MN Buckeye's picture

Of course, it isn't fair!  I just enjoy every opportunity to highlight Borges.  But I will say that mid-game adjustments have not been Hoke's strength.

nmaxwell's picture

but they are one of mattison's.  i'll reserve judgement of borges until i see how his offense works with 85 kids that the current coaching staff deems to have the talent level (especially in the trenches) and fit for scheme that they've clearly lacked the last few years.  that having been said, i agree with many on here that his play calling in the past has been very predictable, and gotten michigan in trouble.  if you can't score against osu, for example, you can't win.  even a solid defense (which michigan has, and will continue to have) will get scored on.  the offense has to give them a chance.  FWIW, i don't see osu putting up 40+ points on michigan regularly.  the rich rod era is over.

MN Buckeye's picture

I do not see us putting up 40+ on UM either, only because of Mattison.  Right now he is the only coach on their staff that I highly respect.  For Borges, he has had his good and bad games, but he has a lot to prove.  For Hoke, he will have to do better than 8-5 this year to have a shred of credibility with the great recruiting classes he has had.

BME_Buckeye's picture

Following The Game from 2012, "Fire Al Borges" exclaims Michigan fans. Lol, I couldn't resist. 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

Hello_Heisman's picture

I generally like Borges and he has a pretty good résumé but Dear Lord, the 2012 OSU game was not his finest hour as a play caller.  Hope all the footage of that game gets stashed with the Fab 5 banners on the weekends when they host 2014 and 2015 recruiting prospects.

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Grayskullsession's picture

Is it good or bad that Hoke looks like he fits right in with those linemen?

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

OSUinFl's picture

I would be very surprise If Lovie Smith would talk to Hoke. Smith was John cooper DB coach in the early 90's

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

For a season. And it was the mid 90s.

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nmaxwell's picture

i would be surprised if he wouldn't.  hoke's brother jon was/is the DB coach of the bears, so he worked with lovie for awhile.  and as vstheworld said, it was for one season.

sharks's picture

I wonder if he asked Mike Hart for his input...

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buckeyedude's picture

What is so frickin' complicated about preparing for a team twice? I could just see Hoke in his office, contemplating "Well, ya know, a, well, nobody's gonna touch deez kids, aaaaaaa..., ya know, ha ha ha, it's so confusing to play the Buckeye's two times in one year, ya know?"

 

 

Poison nuts's picture

Followed by..."I...well, I just love these kids, you know....uhh, there just a great group of kids, uhhhh, I really, These kids are great! I uhhh, you know, did I mention what a fantastic group of kids we have?
Seriously though, I hope The Game isn't 2 times in a row this year, I can't imagine a scenario in which that game would ever be easy to win back to back...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

FitzBuck's picture

Hoke is going to hold back on the play calling he already doesn't do so he can dial up some surprises in the championship game?

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MediBuck's picture

Wait, why do we have to play them twice? With the new divisions, we only have to beat them once, no?

"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes

Poison nuts's picture

That starts next year. 2013 will still be legends & leaders & they could meet in the B1G championship game.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

nmaxwell's picture

on that note, i can't believe jim delany ever thought those names would fly...

MN Buckeye's picture

Delaney is not known for having the best judgment, either.  However, he did have enough foresight to bring us all the benefits ($) of the Big Ten network.