Men's Basketball Open Thread: Minnesota

By 11W Staff on February 20, 2013 at 6:31p
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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I didn't even notice the faces.  This is fantastic and it's setting the stage for the night.  I'm expecting HUGE things tonight.....and I'm already drinking to lower those expectations.

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81Alum's picture

Let's go Bucks. Beat Minny! Whoever drew those pictures, two thumbs up.

wibuckeye's picture

Looks like Aaron needs to shave.

WIBUCKEYE

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Let's go Buckeyes!! I'll be on the elliptical during this whole game even tho im sick as helll.. usually brings luck!

wibuckeye's picture

Foul city. 

WIBUCKEYE

johnblairgobucks's picture

9 fouls in 2.5 minutes

Basso Profondo's picture

Both teams are going to have every player foul out if this keeps up...

Bucks43201's picture

LOL at the pic

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BME_Buckeye's picture

What movie is this from. I know its Samuel Jackson as Thomas but I can't remember the movie he played in where the pic originated from. 

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Jack Fu's picture

I have a personal policy not to downvote anyone's comments. You are really, really pushing me here.
That being said, it's this.

German Buckeye's picture

Movie was Pulp Fiction...

Jack Fu's picture

Well, Della Valle's getting his chance. Here we go.

Jack Fu's picture

First two possessions he lost his man on D and gave up a wide-open three (which missed) and on the second allowed his man to get an offensive rebound. Settle down, kid. Deep breaths.

bgohio22's picture

And gives up a layup next off the inbounds.  He better knock down some 3s or open it up for Thomas.

bgohio22's picture

Minnesota in the bonus at 14:30 of 1st half.  This officiating is totally different from most Big Ten games this year.  Touch fouls all over the place.

RedStorm45's picture

The rest of the team won't pass to Della Valle. Sad.

RedStorm45's picture

Sanzere is a joke.

RedStorm45's picture

Wow, Scott was on his man for 7 seconds and didn't get a call.

Jack Fu's picture

Both teams in the bonus at the 12:55 mark. Yeesh.

bgohio22's picture

Does anybody feel like Lenzelle picking up two quick fouls was the best possible scenario for this team?  A win / win.  He gets to sit and watch for a little while + ADV and Ross get some much needed court time.  Hopefully he comes back in the second half and lights it up.

Jack Fu's picture

Ross's 1/1 turnover/minute ratio is making this an iffy proposition.

bgohio22's picture

Agreed. After a few Rav turnovers I thought "Time for Amir".  Then I remembered how awful it is to watch Amir.  The duo of LQ and LZ are no different.  After five minutes of one you can't wait to see the other. Repeat.  Repeat again.

Donny T's picture

+1
I was very happy to see the Lenzelle only played 11 minutes tonight. He has played himself out of a starting position and it's time for Q and Scott to start eating up his minutes. He'll be a great 7th man off the bench, although at this point, I'd rather see ADV. 

wibuckeye's picture

This is not a good team.

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RedStorm45's picture

Craft is shooting like 6% on wide open 16 footers for the year.

William's picture

I think you're being too generous there. He's solid at driving the lane, but his jump shooting is turrible. 

Idaho Helga's picture

 Upvote for u.
No, I didn't look up the stats but Craft who is my hero,is shooting like poop.

Braxton2Devin's picture

What's new... too many turnovers, bad rebounding, Craft missing open jumpers. It's sad because we have so much more talent against almost every team we play, but we just cannot put it together.

Jack Fu's picture

This place is dead.
NEW GOAL: to account for half of the comments in this open thread.
ACHIEVEMENT: PENDING

BME_Buckeye's picture

We're here, trust us. I just think half of us have turned the game off because it looks bad. That being said, go Bucks! 

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Braxton2Devin's picture

I know the majority will not agree with this, but I really do blame Thad on this one. He needs to get this team together. I'm not asking for him to get fired or anything outrageous like that, I'm just sayin.

81Alum's picture

This team is showing no development. Out of control, not playing smart. Maybe it's a conditioning thing - the tough BIG season's taking its toll.

RedStorm45's picture

9 turnovers by Minnesota in 12 minutes and they're only down 3.

German Buckeye's picture

Thad needs to push someone in the chest to get them fired up....

RedStorm45's picture

Layups...seriously...

RedStorm45's picture

Thankfully Minnesota is bad.

William's picture

Sam Thompson is super athletic, but he's not very good at this whole basketball thing. 

Jack Fu's picture

You just described, like, half our regular rotation.

bgohio22's picture

Thad Matta must have the patience of Job.  How does he not go ballistic at least once per game?  his team just missed 3 layups in a row then gave up two offensive rebounds on the other end. 

RedStorm45's picture

6 offensive boards given up already.

wibuckeye's picture

Bad shooting, bad rebounding, is there concrete on these shoes?

WIBUCKEYE

RedStorm45's picture

I've never seen big men get stripped more going up for a layup than this year's team.

RedQueenRace's picture

Does Jerry Lucas have any eligibility remaining?

81Alum's picture

No inside presence. Aren't Amir and Ravanel at least supposed to get those rebounds? Let's see what McDonald can do!

BME_Buckeye's picture

Those people putting up #1 need to put them down. I don't have enough digits (toes and fingers) to describe our ranking. 

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RedStorm45's picture

You have 3 missing toes??

BME_Buckeye's picture

Lol, I see what you did there. Just saying, we aren't really the #17 team in the land. I need probably another hand or two to give us a fair ranking. 

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Rough night so far on the offensive end. Defense has had lapses but is much improved. 

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RedStorm45's picture

Can we go 2 minutes without a foul? Geez

bgohio22's picture

McDonald boxed out his guy!!  Then gets burned by Big Boy Walker.  Baby steps, Buckeyes.  Baby steps. 

JPBucks3's picture

I think we should spend the rest of this weeks practices boxing out 

RedStorm45's picture

There are bigger problems.

throttlefinger's picture

There's chemistry on the defensive end. None on the offensive. Biggest problem. And hardest to overcome.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I'm seeing the a lot of the younger guys playing with confidence.  Tonight, though, this confidence is resulting in missed shots and turnovers.  The good news is that they aren't playing afraid anymore.  I'm loving Scott and Thompson shooting the ball, I don't really care when they miss, love the confidence.  Smith is playing with confidence as well.  Just have to get the leaders to take over and the big guys to toughen up underneath.

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throttlefinger's picture

The effort is certainly up. The executions, unfortunately, aren't any better. Good mixed with bad. That along with Thomas going over 20 might be enough to beat the Gophers. Not any time better. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I think we are executing, just not finishing.  But I agree, it's the most important part of the execution.  We're getting great looks, good movement, just not hitting the shots for one reason or another.  In basketball, you just have to keep it up and wait for your turn.  I look at Minn., and I don't think they've been getting good looks, we're getting beat down low, but other than that, they are making tough shots.  We aren't making easy shots.  I'm pretty happy with how the half went.

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RedStorm45's picture

I see we decided to catch up to minny's turnovers count.

wibuckeye's picture

Time for an ass chewing at halftime.  Man up boys!

WIBUCKEYE

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Our big guys fall over upon contact.  Terrible
 

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RedStorm45's picture

Random but BTN keeps referencing 11 turnovers, gamecast by espn shows 9.  So what is it?

RedStorm45's picture

Holy $hit we don't call timeout to set up a late play and we finally score at the buzzer for once.  Imagine that.

bgohio22's picture

Perhaps Thad's been hanging out in old West Liberty, WVA.  A great read from Grantland about their coach and his non-micromanaging coaching style: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8959324/college-basketball-scoring-p...

Kevbo714's picture

Good last minute-plus for the good guys... Hope it continues into and through the second half!  

Tom Crean listens to Nickelback...

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Need to teach Ravenel how to time a jump as a start to rebounding.

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throttlefinger's picture

More ass and arms he'd be fine. Big enough body to throw around a little more.

Idaho Helga's picture

the basic flaw here is that if the cosmos were in proper order,we would see Amir Williams and not Ravenel and Ravenel is  doing a much better job  .... so dang, dang. 

bergy22's picture

Ugly but okay. Win the second half here men.

William's picture

This is some ugly basketball. Come 8 o'clock the Cavs game is being put on, at least I can watch Kyrie Irving dazzle. 

xFactor11's picture

Hopefully he can put some moves on somebody like he did during the rising stars challenge.

RedStorm45's picture

20 seconds and another foul.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Ladies and Gentlemen, Deshaun Thomas.

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RedStorm45's picture

Rav and Amir have both left the angle underneath open on out of bounds plays.  Bad.

awydontucry's picture

Wow are we losing by 38?

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Just awful officiating tonight.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

No, Tank you.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Ravenel might get drafted.....by Hollywood.

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awydontucry's picture

What are you talking about?

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

all he does is play for a foul.  He falls over all the time, trying to sell any contact.  I'd prefer someone like Sully that just plays through it - and that was exactly why Sully was so good.
edit: To succinctly answer your question: he's an actor. 

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awydontucry's picture

I 100% completely disagree. He got wrecked on that rebound. Not to mention a 100 moving screen calls.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

you don't see him look at the refs everytime something happens to him that isn't good?

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awydontucry's picture

Well if that is teh point to your case then an actor isn't what you mean. And yes i did see him take that charge. He's guarding a big boy.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Did you see the sideline official on the charge?  Was calling a block.  I just wish he'd toughen up more.  Maybe he's toughen and just takes a beating, but why always look to the ref?
edit:  That was an incredible play by him though

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RedStorm45's picture

Minnesota is a worse version of us...they don't have a deshaun Thomas.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Please don't say that with this much time on the clock!

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WolverineKiller's picture

Good evening folks.  Just watched the first half in ffw on the dvr.  Did I miss anything aside from the Craft buzzer beater?

Just Win.

bgohio22's picture

Many, many, many, many fouls.

WolverineKiller's picture

Legit calls or weak sauce? 

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

WEAK SAUCE!

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Kevbo714's picture

Overall it was sloppy on both ends, IMO... The most excitement was the last minute and a half or so for the Bucks.  Minny was good at turning the ball over in the first half, but only partially b/c of tOSU defense...

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johnblairgobucks's picture

4 weeks till the NCAA tournament.  Hopefully someone besides Deshaun develops a jump shot or goes on an extended hot shooting streak.

Jack Fu's picture

YOU GUYS.
Craft's sideburns look great.
Also, I'm drinking.

dubjayfootball90's picture

hahahahaha

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

Bobcat04's picture

This is possibly the most boring game ever played. 2 teams who aren't playing at a high level. Exactly the opposite of the scUM game a week or two ago. 

bgohio22's picture

I'm not sure Minnesota makes it to 45 points.  Up a 14 with 9:00 left.  I'd call this a safe win.

dubjayfootball90's picture

in all seriousness, I have been switching back and forth from the Pens/Flyers game, and there have only been four points scored in like a 6 minute span from when i switched channels, is offense that bad today?

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

skid21's picture

Yes, it really is that bad. I've seen jr. high school girls games with more exciting offenses.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

We're getting some really open looks, but we're not hitting at all.  Finally, DT is hitting, but he wasn't in the first half.

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GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

You watch hockey and then complain about a lack of offense??

81Alum's picture

Deshaun Thomas is the man. Without him, we'd be near the bottom of the BIG

WolverineKiller's picture

Super Bump.

Just Win.

WolverineKiller's picture

You know we're going to win...the game isn't on CBS

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dubjayfootball90's picture

nice defense.

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RedStorm45's picture

Q with the block??

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

beautiful defense and transition

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WolverineKiller's picture

My ideal possession does not involve watching Ravanel shooting a fadeaway from 15 feet.

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Bobcat04's picture

As bad as our scoring is, Minny's is worse. Wow. 

RedStorm45's picture

Jim Burr is terrible.

dubjayfootball90's picture

damn refs, throwing their whistle clips on the court.. WTF!!!

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brandonbauer87's picture

You guys are all praising DT and I came on here to criticize him. Am I still the only one who thinks he forces too many bad shots? I appreciate what he does for us but I just feel like our offense has no chance at a developing a groove when DT is seeing red. 

bgohio22's picture

A DT bad shot > an open look 15 feet out for anybody else. 

WolverineKiller's picture

Think about your alternatives:

  • Ravanel Fadeaway
  • Craft/Scott Missed Lay Up
  • Q Forced Shot
  • Sam Thompson Alley-Oop

Just Win.

RedStorm45's picture

28 games and we need to "develop" our offense?? No.  Thomas is the only proven scorer we have.  If you'd like to score 40 a game we can limit him to under 10 shots and spread it around....

81Alum's picture

Without Thomas, we don't have any offense. Dude can shoot, I don't care how many he misses, he'll eventually score and kick-start the offense. I don't know any other player on the current team who can do what he does.

brandonbauer87's picture

I understand what your saying but I disagree. He shoots a low percentage, and no one else takes 15-20 shots a game. With 15-20 attempts I think numerous guys on this team could score 10-15 points a game. And to the other comment, I didn't mean developing an offense. I know we don't have one of those. I just mean we lose all rhythm when DT isolates 2-3 possessions in a row. I won't object to his 15 shots, but they need to come in the flow of the game. 

WolverineKiller's picture

I'm with ya.  He forces about 4 shots per game imo.  I would much rather Thompson (lately) or Scott (tonight) step into a confident jumper.

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RedStorm45's picture

He's shooting 46%.

brandonbauer87's picture

Which is skewed because he shot very well early in the season. 

RedStorm45's picture

He also draws the most attention by opposing defenses.  And I don't see anyone else going 7-11.

brandonbauer87's picture

If you want to stand faithfully in his corner, that's fine. I'm just not going to make excuses for him. 38% field goal percentage in the last 6 games coincides with when we started struggling. I know teams focused just as hard in him earlier in the season. It's like he flipped a switch back to freshman DT.

Clmm297's picture

Great win...just what the doctor ordered!  I'd like to see Deshaun get a little more efficient at the offensive end.  He's by far our best option on offense, but he needs too many attempts to get his points.  If he would drive to the basket or post up more, I think he would still get 20 a game but it would be on 10-12 field goal attempts per game.  I think this could be a huge benefit for him and allow the offense to have a better flow.

Bobcat04's picture

I never want to hear "Ravenel with the fadeaway" again in my life. 

dubjayfootball90's picture

said the same thing when i heard that... turrrrrible

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awydontucry's picture

If any of you aren't willing to admit that we are getting after it defensively tonight then i don't know what to say. Talking about Jr. High girls games c'mon man. I think this game is fun as heck to watch with all the hustle on D.

skid21's picture

That's what I'm talkin bout

dubjayfootball90's picture

now this is some good defense

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BME_Buckeye's picture

SEND IT IN JEROME! 

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

The Gophers are like the best team Jim O'Brien never coached. They're playing about as well as they can, but they don't have B1G talent.
Lots of positives so far tonight, leaving aside Amir still being MIA.

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81Alum's picture

I'd add all our bigs are MIA.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Shannon Scott's night.

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RedStorm45's picture

Shannon Scott looking good!

RedStorm45's picture

This rim hates Minnesota.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

That same rim hated us first

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WolverineKiller's picture

That rim was so mean.  :-)

Just Win.

bgohio22's picture

I seriously think Minnesota is taking a dive.  This is getting into statistically impossible awfulness from the Gophers.

RedStorm45's picture

Wow, 8 points by Minnesota in almost 14 minutes this half hahaha

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Wow, 13/13 FT.  That's a difference maker

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awydontucry's picture

WAY TO JINX HAHA... I'll take the tunover margin also

81Alum's picture

For a PG, Craft doesn't shoot FT's well.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Neither does Rondo.

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RedStorm45's picture

Please look up his stats on this, thanks.

RedStorm45's picture

Trey at the 4? Hmm.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I mentioned this in the "future basketball rosters" thread.
edit: here's the thread
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/basketball/2013/02/looking-ahead-at-...

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WolverineKiller's picture

First time I've seen this team with any sort of consistent energy since we played ttun.  Well played boys.

Just Win.

81Alum's picture

McDonald and Williams in together - that's new.

RedStorm45's picture

Ugly win.  Keyword:win.

Jack Fu's picture

If I were a neutral observer watching this game, I would want to bleach my eyes.
As a Buckeye fan, I say: WOOOOO.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I say WOOOO back.

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WolverineKiller's picture

Scott's line tonight looks like Craft's used to his Freshman and Sophmore year.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

That was all that was left that I needed.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Hard not to cry....

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RedStorm45's picture

2nd half domination.

Jack Fu's picture

A WHIRLYGIG OF EBULLIENCE!!1!

WolverineKiller's picture

I'm hoping ADV develops into as lethal of a shooter as Diebler was. 

Just Win.

dubjayfootball90's picture

always good to get a win. Was not able to see the entire game, but what I did see what riddled with great defense from the bucks, so I have memory of this game

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brandonbauer87's picture

I think I found a new favorite player to replace Craft upon his graduation. Amedeo!!!!

captain obvious's picture

I'll take it
GREAT EFFORT
lets build on this

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WolverineKiller's picture

Super Bump.  I'd be able to tolerate losses if they at least put an effort like this into every game.

Just Win.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Scott's first time in double digits in a B1G game.

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Doc's picture

Della Valle is fun to watch. The kid has a high motor. His development will be fun to follow. 

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RedStorm45's picture

This is really just a reflection of how bad Minnesota is.  We played better but not great.  Turnovers, boxing out, some bad shots...enough things to work on before Sunday.

TkeBuck's picture

Aahhh...just what this team needed....a beatdown of another B1G bottom feeder.

bergy22's picture

Ame-frickin-deo. He is a blast to watch. Want to see him do that in meaningful minutes but nonetheless. Good win.

dubjayfootball90's picture

by the way, I LOVE the thread picture, that is awesome

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skid21's picture

Kansas and Okie St. score only 12-11 with just under 9:00 in the first half. There seems to be a lot of these low scores this year.

dan_isaacs's picture

Congrats to Alex Rogers on his 2,000,000,000 performance.  #clubtrill

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741's picture

Greatest 11W photoshop job ever.