Oladipo, Zeller Power Indiana Past Ohio State

By Kyle Rowland on February 10, 2013 at 3:09p
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Oladipo finished with 26 against the Buckeyes.

COLUMBUS, Ohio – Underdogs have had their day all season. But on Sunday in Columbus, the No. 1 team in the country finally stepped up to the plate.

Indiana’s Big Three – Cody Zeller, Victor Oladipo and Christian Watford – combined for 70 points on 22-of-32 shooting, leading the top-ranked Hoosiers to an 81-68 win over Ohio State and silencing a soldout Value City Arena. Finally, the Hoosiers have the marquee road win they have coveted. 

“You aren’t going to win too many games with three guys scoring (20 points). They made big shots and kept going,” Ohio State point guard Aaron Craft said.

For Indiana head coach Tom Crean, it was his second consecutive Super Sunday. Last weekend, he was in New Orleans, fresh off a win over then-No. 1 Michigan, to watch his brothers-in-law face off in the Super Bowl. In that game, Joe Flacco and Jacoby Jones delivered MVP-worthy performances. This week, it was Zeller and Oladipo who came through with games that spark national player of the year conversations.

Zeller scored 24 points, missing just three shots, and grabbed eight rebounds. But Oladipo was even more spectacular, finishing with a career-high 26 points, eight rebounds, three assists and two steals. He played out of position on defense, limiting Deshaun Thomas to 26 points on 20 field goal attempts. Oladipo never allowed Thomas to get in a rhythm. Watford added 20 points and six rebounds.

“Victor Oladipo, Cody Zeller and Christian Watford played as well as a triangle can play, and it was on both ends of the floor,” Crean said.

In the leadup to the game, there was intrigue surrounding how each team would respond to losses earlier in the week. Both teams lost in the final seconds. Ohio State fell to Michigan in overtime on Tuesday, while Indiana blew a double-digit second-half lead at Illinois on Thursday, with the Illini’s game-winning shot coming at the buzzer on an uncontested layup.

There was plenty of pregame buzz. Students started camping out in Mattaritaville on Wednesday, and the oft-criticized Value City Arena was full well before tipoff. But once the game started, the No. 10 Buckeyes had a hard time matching the Hoosiers' intensity and level of play.

“They executed their game plan,” Ohio State senior forward Evan Ravenel said. “We just didn’t have it today. That shouldn’t be the case, but that’s what it was.”

Indiana jumped out to an 11-4 lead before a 9-0 Ohio State run wiped it out. The Buckeyes had a 19-18 advantage at the eight-minute mark of the first half but never led the rest of the way.

“From the very beginning after we lost the other night, we were going to spend a lot of time bouncing back and waste a lot of energy getting better,” said Crean, hinting that Indiana would not be sulking. “I was very proud of how our guys responded. That’s hard to do sometimes. The tough ones figure out it’s all about improvement.

“We knew we were going against as tough an environment as we faced all season. Ohio State is the real deal. They absolutely get up in you defensively and make it tough for you to score.”

The Hoosiers sure made it look effortless.

In building a 41-33 halftime lead, Indiana scored 20 points in the paint. Zeller and Oladipo ventured into the lane early and often. The Buckeyes had no answer for Zeller, and it didn’t help when Amir Williams and Ravenel picked up two early fouls in the first half. Williams eventually fouled out while Ravenel ended the game with four fouls.

Due to the foul trouble, Ohio State’s defensive game plan against Zeller encountered difficulties and little-used sophomore Trey McDonald was forced to log six minutes.

“Amir going out as early as he did was a big blow to us because he can affect the ball down by the basket,” Ohio State head coach Thad Matta said.

It may not have mattered, though. Indiana shot better than 50 percent from the field, including 58.8 percent in the second half. The Hoosiers made 7 of 18 three-point shots for the game.

Indiana led by as many as 16 in the second half. Ohio State rallied to within eight points in the final minute, but the Hoosiers sealed the game at the free throw line, something they could not do earlier this week in Champaign.

The victory represented Indiana's first against a top-10 opponent on the road since winning at Notre Dame in 2000. One must go back to 1993 to find the last time the Hoosiers defeated a top-10 Big Ten team away from Bloomington.

Thomas’ 26 points paced Ohio State. Craft finished with 16 points and LaQuinton Ross had 11. The Buckeyes’ low-point output wasn’t for a lack of shots, however. They hoisted 59 and made 25. From behind the arc, Ohio State was only 3 of 13. There were forced shots included in that total, but no one could help Thomas consistently and the defensive breakdowns were too much to overcome.

“We couldn’t gain that momentum and we didn’t guard them at the level we needed,” Matta said. “They answered everything in a timely fashion against us. We didn’t have what we needed to win this game just in terms of making plays we needed to make. At this level, that can’t happen. You have to finish through the contact at the basket. Those are the types of plays you have to make to win, and we just couldn’t do it.”

Ohio State is 1-6 against ranked opponents this season and 1-4 versus those ranked in the top 10. The Buckeyes’ record against unranked foes stands at 16-0. On the flipside, Indiana sports a 3-0 mark against top-10 teams.

The back-to-back losses for the 10th-ranked Buckeyes are their first in three seasons, snapping the longest streak in the nation – 121 games. More concerning for Matta is the blow to Ohio State’s Big Ten title hopes. The Buckeyes are now two games behind first-place Indiana and Michigan State.

And it only gets tougher from here.

Still left on the schedule are home games versus Minnesota, Michigan State and Illinois and road contests at Wisconsin and Indiana, making the Buckeyes’ chances at winning a fourth consecutive Big Ten championship a long shot. 

“It’s a long season,” Matta said. “We knew there was going to be a stretch where you have to fight or flight. We have to get back to having that fight in us.

“This team has shown it can play great basketball.”

 

 

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BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Indiana shot 53% from the field including a ridiculous 22/32 from Zeller, Olidipo and Watford. Can't win many games against that kind of execution, especially against the #1 team. Oh well, we got three 2014 football verbals! Yaaaa

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

I think Thad has some real soul searching to do on the type of player he is recruiting. At any time, we could have 3 to 4 guys on the floor that are not threats to score. IU just showed us what stretching the floor means. Their 5 at any point, can score from anywhere at any time. We were outclassed today. 

BSTP DeCon's picture

I don't think it helped us much with a recent season of 0 commits, either.

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Although I agree we need more shooters, I don't think this is a reflection of Thad's recruiting. He has consistently brought in blue chip players. His development of said players can be questioned, but not his recruiting.

Edit: Its a shame we forget how far Matta has brought this program. O'Brien relied on transfers and sleeper recruits, whereas Matta has brought in some of the top players in the nation.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

Sure it can. Ross, Thompson, Scott, McDonald, and Williams can't score!  How you recruit so many offensive deficient players at once?

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Ok, for one Ross is not offensively deficient. What I'm saying is when we signed these players, they were highly coveted players who could gave gone to numerous big time programs. They haven't developed as quickly as we would like, but it's not for a lack of Thad's recruiting skills.

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Knarcisi's picture

Correct. My mistake on Ross. Ravenel. 

Knarcisi's picture

And I'm done with Amir Wiliams. Soft player, with no hands. 

Knarcisi's picture

Williams is a Ken Johnson that will never happen. 

BuckeyeChief's picture

Don't you dare besmirch the good name of Ken Johnson like that.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Knarcisi's picture

Word. +1 for that. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

His shot blocking and piano skills make him one of my all time favs

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

That's what you get when you go up north for players. Stick with the ones in Ohio and elsewhere, Buckeyes.
I had bad vibes four days ago about this game. Indy's inside game is too strong for OSU.
 

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Michigan is a pretty solid bball state.

 
BSTP DeCon's picture

What kind of competition in high school did the aforementioned players go through? I know some of them were All-Americans, but just like Meyer said, you try and get the player that runs for 150 yards in the state championship game...

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

You guys are hilarious. Cant believe how quickly and easily we forget about the players that have left early to the NBA, the fact that we just went to a final four, and the fact that we only have one senior playing, with all of these under developed players with a whopping one and a half years of experience at this level.  I don't what else to tell you. We're a good team with a high ceiling and a long ways to go to get there, enjoy the ride. 

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Knarcisi's picture

We're in for a tough couple years. Next year will be Laquinton Ross and 4 guys that can't score. Our freshmen are rarely ready to play as other programs seem to be able to recruit these kids and our guys don't develop. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

yea really. I don't know what we're going to do next year with this same exact team full of improving players minus Thomas and his defense. 

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Knarcisi's picture

You just made my point. Where have all these improving players been to help him out? We're not even a top 25 team next year.  

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I don't know what to tell you other than to watch the games. Shannon Scott is a great defender and a creator on offense, a true pg. Craft is similar and been working to improve his shot. Sam Thompson has been looking very good in terms of improvements - comfortable with his jump shot now. Amir Williams is starting to toughen up down low and makes his presence known on defense.  Smith is still streaky but getting better and more mature knowing when he needs to try and step up as a role player.  Your man Q is also a hood improvement story over the course of this HALF season of play. If you haven't seen drastic improvement from the beginning on the season up to today, we can agree to disagree and there's nothing wrong with. 

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Knarcisi's picture

I watch all the games. You are so far out of touch with reality I don't even know how to respond. You actually are saying we will be an improved team without Deshaun Thomas?

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

You may watch all the games, but it's quite clear you have never played or coached basketball. Some of your comments are so blatantly pessimistic, you ignore the fact that we have been an elite basketball program for the whole of Mattas tenure. Back off the obvious vitriol you have for our basketball program.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

I've played and coached. I just have higher expectations than you. 

Knarcisi's picture

Are realists not allowed to state opinion here?  Grow up. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I'm not saying that at all. Thomas will be missed, but Sully is missed, Buford is missed, lighty is missed, turner is missed, diebler is missed, Conley is missed, oden is missed, etc and I know I'm leaving out people here. We ONLY lose Thomas after this year. He's a great weapon and I won't say otherwise, but at the same time, he rarely even plays defense with his hands up. So I just don't have much of an understanding for these rough years ahead with a bit of this and "where we came from" perspective. 

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Knarcisi's picture

And sure. Those guys have improved. They should!  By the time they are seniors, they might live up to the player that we recruited. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Wow. You don't sound like a coach there at all.  Heaven forbid it takes players some time to go from good to great. 

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Grant Edgell's picture

Lost to the best team in the best conference, (perhaps) executing as flawlessly as they have all season. No shame in today's L though, imo. I'm not sure who in the country would have beaten Indiana's performance today. Impressive.
 

BME_Buckeye's picture

You know, I won't complain about the refs, IU was just the better team today. I'm not gonna get mad over this lost because we have a lot of room to grow. I'm still positive on this team. This just makes it that much harder for Michigan to win the conference so congrads on the win Indiana. In other news, we are building up our football class for 2014. Go Bucks! 

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Jack Fu's picture

They just have better players, and they played better. As scoring-challenged as the Bucks are, the defense is going to have to really show up for OSU to beat good-to-great teams. Defensive performances like the one today will not cut it.
I have to admit I am pretty worried that on Tuesday the Bucks played the best game they're going to play all season. And they lost.

Doc's picture

Win or lose, good coach or not Tom Crean still has the most punchable face in the history of faces.

"Say my name."

Poison nuts's picture

Yes he does. The most punchable of all faces.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

bdegroff's picture

Great game by IU. Williams still looks lost on the offensive side of the court. With early foul trouble, he never got a feel for the game. Its amazing what happens when you allow players to develop on the court. There is a reason why IU's players can score all over the court. They're comfortable. I do not know why Matta won't let his players experience growing pains. Williams should have played all year last season. Matta knew he would need him this year and did the kid a huge disservice to not play him. I understand Ross had grade issues, it would be nice to see him on the court more. The Bucks have a lack of scoring, and it will be interesting to see if they will be able to address it. Should make tourney, however don't see them getting past sweet 16.
great game by IU
 
Great to see the Verbals. Where's the basketball recruiting?

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

We have two solid recruits for basketball. I like Loving and Bates-Diop. Funny how if Matta isn't getting the Odens and Turners he is having a bad year in recruiting. We all need to step back take a deep breath. We have an excellent program with Thad at the helm.

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bergy22's picture

Loving and Kam Williams next year. Bates-Diop and Tate a year later. We'll get a nice touch of scoring talent in next years class.

moopdawg's picture

yup...Loving and Williams can both score.  Too bad D. Thomas probably won't stick around.  Hopefully, Ross becomes a complete player next year and we make a serious run.  Future looks bright.

TheBadOwl's picture

And Mickey Mitchell. Kid is going to be a monster.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Who should've lost minutes to Amir last year?

Idaho Helga's picture

Our strength is two fold: DeShaun and DeFense.   The constant sound of whistles early on killed the latter.   I thought Indiana the best team in the country before the game; Zeller has a bright future in the NBA.  Had the refs let them play more maybe there is another outcome.
I'm not giving up on Amir; but he's got a waaaaaaaaayyyyys to go. 
It could be worse.  We could be Illinois who can win some big games then look horrible the next two games.   We lost to two very good teams and really could have won either game.
 
 
 
 
 
 

osubuckeye4life's picture

It was a a valiant effort at times today. 
 
However, IU is just better than tOSU. Their five can spread the floor and go off anytime. Our five play great D at times but only have one consistent scoring threat. 
 
Our bigs are still a work in progress.
 
It is not shameful to lose to IU this year. They are just all around better team than tOSU.
 
 

moopdawg's picture

 
I.U. played like a #1 team today and didn't make too many mistakes.  Next year we have Kameron Williams, a 6ft 2 shooting guard coming in as a freshman.  From watching his videos, he is lightning quick and has really good range..looks to create and score.  I really wish we had him this year!!  Other than Thomas and Ross, and occasionally Smith, we just don't have players with scorer mentalities.
Indy's guards are small, but we don't have guys who were looking to take advantage of that on offense.  
For us to beat Indiana, we need to play close to mistake free b-ball and force them to make mistakes.  Neither happened today, and the better team won. 
Not the way I wanted to start my week.

moopdawg's picture

Just read about the 3 new commits for football.  Feeling better already!!!  Go Bucks!!

Donny T's picture

Disappointing effort. Still wondering why Smith gets as many minutes as he does. It's become obvious he can't produce against good teams, let alone Indiana. Didn't stop anyone on defense. Glad Thompson only got 20 minutes today. That's probably more than he deserves. Thomas forced more shots than normal, but can't really complain about him. He's a baller. Otherwise, not much to say. They were outclassed in every way. At no point did they appear to have a chance to win this one. They're vaunted defense really doesn't look that good against teams that have a clue. It's actually reverting to being pretty average. 

kr66osu's picture

1-6 (and a three pointer away from 0-7) against ranked teams does not bode well for the tournament regardless of how strong the conference is

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Good point. But can you name a team with as many "ok" losses as OSU? I know that sounds lame but we have losses @Duke, @Illinios, @scUM, @MSU, Kansas, Indiana. Those are all final four contending teams unless your down on Kansas(which is understandable) and Illinois(also reasonable). Our schedule will fully prepare us against teams in the NCAA tourney.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Jack Fu's picture

We have "more 'ok' losses than other teams??  So ... beating all the bad teams and losing to the good teams we play in the regular season will prepare us to ... what?  Lose to good teams in the postseason...?
You know what? I actually agree with you. Coming into March, we really should expect this team to, for lack of a better phrase, beat the teams it should beat and lose to the teams it should lose to. That will mean a probable win in the first round, a 50/50 game in the second round, and, if they get there, a probable loss in the sweet sixteen. That is the reasonable expectation.

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

We have some good wins too. Playing in the best confrerence in the country prepares us for the tourney.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Joe Beale's picture

College hoops recruiting at places like Ohio State is a Catch-22.  If your blue-chip players develop quickly, then they go early to the NBA and leave you in the lurch.  If they don't develop quickly, then they stay and block the path for other players to come in.  I guess the only way to deal with that is to only bring in 2-3 players per year.  Anyone else have thoughts on this?

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

We are kind of lucky to have this problem. This speaks to a larger issue of the "one and done" rule. Schools like UK, Duke, KU, and the other blue bloods of CB deal with this every year. OSU isn't quite on those schools levels, so the impact is much more noticeable. I think the best way to deal with this is to continue to recruit the best players, and deal with the development and attrition when the time comes. It's still nice to know that OSU has the clout to even get some of these elite players. This wasnt always the case for our bball program.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Idaho Helga's picture

Imagine if football had the 1 and done.  Alabama would sign 300 a year instead of the current 150.     ;)               Texas A&M would have won the nat'l championship.
Its tough.  Call me old school, but I think they should have to stay at least 2 yrs.  You can wait till you're 20 to go to the NBA and oh by the way, get an associates degree at least.  Yeah, those that don't work out are clearly blocking a path here it seems.   High school isn't college and some who look to have the physical skills can't ever figure out the mental side or can't keep up with the huge jump in the speed/ability at the next level.  The 1 and done puts so much pressure on the highly recruited frosh that it's detrimental in many cases.
Its why Duke is so successful.  He wants 4 yr guys and is very open about that.
 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Duke has had a slew of one and done players. Look it up. They don't always have the 4 year guys

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

3cent's picture

Umm ever heard of Austin Rivers and Kyrie Irving?

Idaho Helga's picture

Why yes, I do know that Duke has had several 1-n-done players.    But in many interviews, Coach K  says that's never been whom he is "after".  If you are a huge talent and tell him you have no intention of staying and you're great, he's not turning you down. He really wants the wanna-duke-degree-3yrs-at-least guy.  He's good enough to get to cherry pick a bit for that guy.    Of the cream of the crop programs, you have to wonder how many beside Calipari don't ridiculously hint or openly say "and if you are a star for us, expect to be in the NBA draft after next year".
Mark Few at Gonzaga admires Coach K and is really in a very similar situation at a similar sized school (except Few goes to Europe regularly for players, more fun than recruiting in say, New Jersey).  And you might look how he's built his program and look at their standing on Monday.    He schedules top competitors.  While I made some free lunches last year on bets when they played us in the tourney, I dunno if I want the Bucks facing Gonzaga in March THIS year. 
 
 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

This is bogus. First you agree about Duke recruiting NBA hungry players. Then you state Coach K wants the "wanna-duke-degree-3yrs-at-least" guys. You can't have it both ways. And comparing Duke to Gonzaga is not helping your case. Gonzaga isn't in the same stratosphere as Duke. Mark Few may have the same blueprint as Coach K, but no where near the credentials. Every major program tells top recruits they will prepare them for the NBA.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Idaho Helga's picture

1) Better check the polls. Gonzaga is definitely in the same "stratosphere" as Duke this year and is regularly ranked over the past 8 years under Few.  If you are looking at coaches, that's silly because I could put anybody against Coach K and probably make them look inadequate.
2) Gonzaga does send guys to the NBA.  Might want to check that one out too.  BTW check our Gonzaga's non-conference schedule under Few.  He's no kitten.
3) I'd have to look for links to interviews of Coach K saying he's really looking for 3-4 yr guys but I remember hearing in many interviews where he said what's his recruiting emphasis.
4) Yes, you CAN have it both ways if you're top tier.  I think many coaches do.  No one turns away the talented one-n-done dude particularly in-state but like Butler, Gonzaga, etc, they are always looking for the 3-4yr guy and no, he's not local.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Well, at least there's no one in here today claiming this is another one of our "good losses," so maybe the idea that this really is a middle-of-the-pack B1G team that has pretty much maxed out on its 2013 potential has finally sunk in.

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BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

"Middle of the pack"? What team have you been watching? We are one of the top five teams in the best conference in the country. We lost @Duke by 5, @Michigan by 2 and @MSU by 3. This is not a "middle of the pack" B1G team. We are a flawed team, but look at how many #1s have lost this year. I don't agree with your assessment of this team, the potential has not "maxed out" just look at Ross' play the last few games.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Buckeye Chuck's picture

We're the fifth-best team in a 12-team conference. That's "middle of the pack" by definition.

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BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

That pack you are talking about includes IU, scUM, MSU and Wisky. All excellent teams. Your "middle of the pack" comment is asinine considering the strength of the B1G.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

We are an average team. Time we face that fact. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

If average to you is a top 15 maybe top 10 team then you need to reevaluate your expectations for this team. We are far better than average.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

If you want to define the OSU as a middle of the pack in the best conference, then you need some education in basketball. We have four losses with plenty of marquee games left to play. Your "middle of the pack" definition is based on the # of teams in our conference. And actually if we were 6th we would be middle of the pack, but nice try on that math Buckeye Chuck.

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Lenzele Smith Jr. is awful w/ a capital A.  Yippee -he can rebound but he can't shoot and his defense is horrendous.  Unfortunately we will have to watch him try and play hoops for about 50 more games......sigh

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Try out and take his spot on the roster then. 

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Jack Fu's picture

Not necessarily saying I agree with the OP, but that is a classic fallacious argument. "Well, you couldn't do it better, so you can't criticize." Um, false. The speaker's relative abilities have nothing to do with the abilities of the subject. Even if I've never picked up a baseball in my life, that doesn't make my statement "Jeff Francoeur sucks at baseball" any less true. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I agree with you, but get tired of people raging on these guys when they have a bad game.  If I remember correctly lenzelle is a few games removed from 20+ points. 

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

I mean no disrespect but Mr. Smith has had a bad career. He has played truly well in about a half a dozen games in his buckeye career. Does that warrant the starting nod and a spot on a top tier Big 10 team? He wouldn't have success in the MAC! And no, I could NOT EVER IN MY LIFE play D1 ball - but I am going to continue on the "Lenzele Smith is awful" theme for the next 50 games cause well, up till this point he has been.

It isn't all on him. Williams plays like a creme puff and Thompson and Scott couldn't throw it in the ocean from a row boat. I wonder if Mr. Matta sits home at night with his family saying:

"honey, I really really really missed the boat on Mr. Burke. Can you imagine how good we would be with DT and TB. Now how bout that meatloaf"

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Man some of you guys need to back off of our players. "he wouldn't have success in the MAC!" "Williams plays like a cream puff and Thompson and Scott couldn't throw it in the ocean" This is all unwarranted hate. Have the Sophs panned out yet? Debatable. But for you to say these things is just wrong. I bet you wouldn't tweet these statements to those players. Oh wait, maybe you would.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

PhillyBuckeye27's picture

I'm not hating - I am stating my opinion.  The boys just ain't that good - sorry but they have each had a season and a half to "develop" and as of now, the only thing they have "developed" is the ability to be average (and thats even debateable).  If all three (Williams, Scott and Thompson) have STUPENDOUS offseasons, then maybe they will "develop" into this stellar class that we all dreamed about.....Sorry - I can't give Smith Jr. that same luxury.  He's been in the program for 3 yrs - he should be much further along. 
 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

I see where your coming from, but what are you really expecting from this team? Do we need to be undefeated for you to be happy? I like our young players, even if they have struggled at times, If you are ready to bail on our sophomores and Lenzelle, then that's your opinion. If "a season and half" is ample enough time for a player to develop in your mind then you need to wake up. Not every player develops into a superstar, give the kids a break.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

mclovin's picture

Most of the sophomores have not had a season and a half to develop.  They got playing time last year but it was never really significant.  Matta rode his starters as he usually does.  I have seen development with Thompson and Williams and obviously Ross.  Scott's growth is being stunted by Craft, otherwise I think he would be much farther along.  It's hard to argue FOR Lenzel at this point.  At times I think it would make more sense to put Thompson at the 2 and start Ross at the 3, and let Smith come off the bench.  He has athletic and does a lot of things well but his inconsistency is hurting us at key moments.  I think we have seen his ceiling.

OhioKris's picture

Well this season is over, we've shown over and over again we can't hang with the top teir teams. we'll be very lucky to get out of the round of 32. and thads record of 20 win seasons may come to an end. 
Moving on to next year. 

ILbuckeyes's picture

At Duke we hung in there, beat Michigan and almost won at Mich when they had the game of their lives.  Only lost to Mich St. by 3 at State.  Our only bad loss so far was Illinois which we have clearly progressed as a team since then.  

ILbuckeyes's picture

Also if you seriously think we wont win 3 more games this year you are crazy

OhioKris's picture

final regular season games. 
Perdictions
vs. Northwestern *   Win
at Wisconsin *  toss up but i'll give us the win
vs. Minnesota *  toss up again but i'll give us the win
vs. Michigan State *  loss
at Northwestern *  Win
at Indiana *  loss
vs. Illinois * Win
ok i spoke to soon about the none 20 win season. 
best result we go 5-2 
at worst we go 3-4

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

"Well this season is over, we've shown over and over again we can't hang with top tier teams.". This is the most idiotic comment I've ever heard. Losses @duke by 5, @MSU by 3, @scUM by 2. We also have 7 wins in the best conference in the country. Your basketball knowledge is severely lacking.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Jack Fu's picture

You haven't been on the internets very long. There have been WAY more idiotic comments than that, objectively speaking.

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Ok, so the Internet is full of dumb comments, objectively speaking. Point taken. But your statement doesn't address the uneducated comment I responded too. I'd rather be accused of not being on the "internets" very long than having an avatar like yours.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Jack Fu's picture

My statement was in jest, chief. Settle down.

OhioKris's picture

not looking so dumb now huh

ILbuckeyes's picture

Indiana is a match up nightmare for us, and they proved it flawlessly today.  Watford is a nightmare for DT. Zeller is much more athletic than any of our bigs and Oladipo is just a flat out great player who is hard to stop when he is on. They played better and beat us.  Hopefully someone can knock them out in the tourny.  
 
Its funny to see all the doubters back out when less than a week ago they were singing praise for this team.  Bad games happen.  We were really screwed from the start with Williams picking up two fouls in the first two minutes. He is much more of a presence than given credit for.  Yeah he struggles holding on to the ball but he is progressing.  I Still think this team has potential to beat anyone.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Indiana finally looking like a #1 team today.  For once. 

Class of 2010.

Urban Ohio's picture

Tom Crean bangs Harbaugh's sister. Tom Crean bangs both Harbaugh's sister. Hey, did you know Tom Crean bangs Harbaugh's sister? Think CBS knows that?

Newcomerstown Trojans between Woody and Beaver.

Knarcisi's picture

She looks just like John so not sure CBS knew the difference. 

buckeye20's picture

This is obviously a down year for us.  We have DT and Craft with some younger guys that struggle to score consistently.  All work very hard and get after it.  We are short one scorer for sure probably two.  Ross looks like a guy with enough minutes, could get into the flow and provide 15 pts. a night.  Craft needs to give us 12-15/game. DT 18-20.  Just like last year, if Buford didn't give us 15 points we were done.  We just don't have enough horses right now.  Still a very good team on any given night, but we can struggle on any given night.  Let's see what happens down the stretch.  I think Ross is going to get better down the stretch...he need minutes.  We need consistency out of Smith Jr. We just played what might be the best college basketball game of the season in Ann Arbor this week.  If it wasn't for a sloppy OT, we probably win that game against an unconscious Hardaway Jr. and company.  Nothing went our way today and everything went the right way for a very talented and better basketball team in IU. Matta will get us ready for the BIG Tourney and March.
 

frustratedbuckeye's picture

Anyone else think Ross needs to take either Smith or Thompson's starting spot?

Knarcisi's picture

See what I mean?

buckeye20's picture

Yes I think so.  Probably Thompson's.  Maybe Thompson would be better off the bench.  If he doesn't start he should get significant minutes.  He looks like a young Steve Smith from Michigan State years ago in a Buckeye uniform.  You can tell he is going to be a player.  I'm not trying to be overly critical.  Matta has forgotten more about the game than I will ever know.  He knows the strengths of his players.  We just need some consistent scoring from others besides DT.  Hopefully they will improve in the next 5 weeks.  Lots of basketball left to play.  I think they can mature a little in the coming weeks.  (Let's hope)  Go Bucks.

Knarcisi's picture

Be careful questioning Matta. He has a lot of people on here jumping up and Dow to defend him. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

This just proves you don't support Ohio State. Your hurt over support of Matta? Pick another site.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

Stop commenting on my posts. No one asked you. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

And you called me childish?

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

Told you to stop commenting on my posts. I'm done with you. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Yes sir. I will stop using my freedom of speech to speak my mind. Not only do you bash our basketball program but our constitutional rights as well. You are losing.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

You're a real Hippocrit being the one with a problem with crititcal comments. Just go away. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

At least I respect your right to say what you want, rather than resorting to dismissive comments. If you don't like critical comments then pick a new medium to express your views, the Internet isn't for you kid.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

Dude, you don't respect anything or anyone like that. Look at all your posts. You do it to every one on here that makes a critical statement about the Buckeyes. You get so out of your gourd defending them you lose your facts. Forget who said what and losing the facts. You bash people for their opinion then you start stating constitutional rights when someone is insane enough to star pushing back on you and sparring in a discussion. Seriously, grow up. 

smith5568's picture

I'm going to be a dick here but hear me out. He can attempt to restrict your speech as much as he wishes without violating your constitutional right to free speech because free speech protection only applies when there is government action.
For example, 11W has a commenting policy that restricts your "freedom of speech", however it does not infringe any of your constitutional rights because 11W is not the government or its agent.  

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

I see. So he has a right to tell me what to say, as does 11W but it only applies if I violate the commenting policy, which I haven't. Basically telling me to stop commenting is within his rights but not very plausible.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

smith5568's picture

Right you are. Whether he is able to actually get you to stop commenting is another issue entirely, but he can try with all his might. Unless he commits a tortious or criminal act in attempting to do so.  

Knarcisi's picture

And I'm all Buckeye. Always have been always will be. Get a life. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Knarcisi- I respect everyone on this site. if you actually "read" all my posts you would see that. I don't "do it to everyone on this site". Obviously you have just read my defense of Matta and our basketball team and construed it to be "getting so out of my gourd". If you don't like what I have to say then move on. You just joined this site and you come on here and bash our team and get mad when a Buckeye fan, on a Buckeye site, defends the Buckeyes.I'm not the one that needs to grow up

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Knarcisi's picture

Kate, is that you again?  I'd make a pass at him, but not sure if it's within my constitutional rights. 

Knarcisi's picture

Kate, I swear you are the only one. I'm trying to get away from him, but he's stalking me in other threads. The obsession is unbearable. 

Knarcisi's picture

Love you Kate. 
Kisses, 
Mantei

KateUptonsLowerBack's picture

Mommy it's. Getting hot in here

Knarcisi's picture

Hey I wonder if Mantei ever had phone sex with that dude. At least you would have thought Dr. Phil could have asked that. Come on, Phil. 

KateUptonsLowerBack's picture

Yeah dude. Phil should've played that supposed voicemail Te'o had of Tui. in the "Kekooka" voice, then been like: "okay, Tui. - NOW let's hear you do that voice on Tv!"

Knarcisi's picture

He did do the voice. I admit ... I watched it. 

BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

I'd like to apologize to everyone. I was unable to watch yesterdays BBall game, I take full responsibility for the loss.

BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Hate me if you want to... but Victor Oladipo is one of my favorite college basketball players to watch... this kid is ridiculous. His missed dunks are better than most peoples made dunks.

RedStorm45's picture

I was disappointed with the effort yesterday.  Lazy, lazy defense.  Some really dumb turnovers.  We fell in love with the one handed, off balance floaters from 8-10 feet?? WTF? Craft tried to get cute with his floater passes but most times Lenzelle or D.T. weren't even looking for the ball.  Amir is so slow and soft.  Lenzelle/Thompson basically brought nothing to the table.  Craft is WIDE THE EFF OPEN and air balls it from 16 feet.  He looks hesitant to shoot any outside shot, even if the closest defender is 5 feet away.  D.T. actually plays Zeller well in the 2nd half, tips the ball out in the middle of the other FOUR OSU PLAYERS!!! and the ball just bounces there, slowly, they all stare it and Oladipo goes and throws it down.  Indiana wanted it more.  We left them uncontested ALL FREAKING DAY from 12-16 feet.  Seriously, at least get a hand up.  Not so upset that we lost, but we looked like a team that didn't care that we just lost at Michigan and needed to defend the home court.
 
IU is the only team I've seen all year bail on the national anthem.  Classy.

chimes3899's picture

As someone who has watched almost every game (turned off the Illinois game in utter disgust) this team is a good team not a great team. They have the potential to make a run in the tourney this season because of how wide open it is. Now if they do not improve from how they are playing right now then sweet 16 is probably limit or elite 8 if a lucky match up or 2 works out for the buckeyes.
I think a big thing that could help the buckeyes is just to switch the starting line up a tad bit. I think you slid thomson up to the 2, and put ross in at 3. Have smith come off the bench for either one. It would give osu a bit more size and length to help with rebounding and an extra shooter in ross. I think as of right now Ross would have to step up his defense because he was burned many times over the past few games but thomson seems to be a better defender then smith and gives you a bit better of an athlete.
Also i was surprised osu didnt try putting thomson on oladipo more because of there similar high flying abilities and overall speed.