Johnny Townsend Signs with Florida

By Alex on February 7, 2013 at 5:00p
247 Comments

In a weird, late development, longtime Ohio State commit, P Johnny Townsend has signed his letter of intent with Florida, rather than the Buckeyes, where he was committed to since June 19, 2012.

Townsend was supposed to fax in his NLOI at around 12 PM ET after a ceremony at his high school, but that ceremony was initially pushed back to 4 PM. After some deliberation, Townsend decided to cancel the ceremony altogether and just fax in the letter of intent to the school of his choice.

He did that earlier today and, unfortunately for Buckeye fans, the fax went to Will Muschamp and the hometown Gators.

Being that Townsend was expected to start at punter next season for OSU, the Bucks will now have to look for other options to replace Ben Buchanan. Current roster members that are speculated to be considered include K Drew Basil, WR Frank Epitropoulos, and walk-ons P Kevin Niehoff and K/P Jake Russell.

We'll continue digging for the reason that Townsend is no longer a part of Ohio State's class, but early returns lead to the circumstances changing with his opportunities after the Buckeyes landed all three of Dontre Wilson, Vonn Bell, and James Clark.

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Buckeye1996's picture

The orlando article points to Townsend as leaving us in the lurch, not the other way around.
 
"Clay Townsend stressed that Ohio State did not pull his son's scholarship offer, but instead his son had more scholarship offers from which to choose, which caused the delay in his decision."
 
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/recruiting/os-boone-punter-j...

tcm1968's picture

Any truth the the rumor he just found out his girlfriend is pregnant? Would explain a lot of the last minute confusion.

Earle's picture

Let's not go all Volunteer on the kid.  He took another offer, at this point the reasons don't matter.

Italics are for emphasis.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Well, the reasons might matter strategically.
If Townsend ended up at Florida because of some personal issue in his life, or because he got unexpected, last-minue full-ride offers to big time programs closer to home, that puts the matter back on him - i.e., no concerns that Urbz pulled a fast on him, which might effect how h.s. coaches and future recruits perceived the staff, etc.
Not to sound Machiavellian, but I would be relieved to discover that this was all over some Baby Daddy drama (okay, maybe my Buckeye football obsession does lead me in some twisted directions). 

Earle's picture

Granted.  My point was to not promote rumors that really don't accomplish anything more than making us look like the UT blogs after we got Vonn Bell.  If he had personal reasons for picking UF, then it makes the whole offer/no offer/delayed offer issue go away, but it doesn't really look good on us to speculate about his impending fatherhood, or lack thereof.

Italics are for emphasis.

WiliestBuckeye's picture

Why is this getting so many downvotes?  This seems like a perfectly legitimate question to me...

"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment."

Maestro's picture

Moving on.

vacuuming sucks

Poison nuts's picture

Yes.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Michael Citro's picture

Best of luck to Johnny. These types of things happen (i.e. Ejuan Price). If he needs to be within 90 minutes of home, he made the best choice for himself.

1MechEng's picture

Nice reporting, Alex.
Sadly, this is not the grey box I was hoping to see.

Dean's picture

Bummer.  Good luck to him, though.

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

You can have the punter; we'll take James Clark. Yeaaaah, I can live with that. Best of luck Johnny.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

phxbuck's picture

Hopefully you feel the same way when we are shanking punts next year. 

Baroclinicity's picture

Exactly.  We saw how scary Ben Buchanan's slow leg could get over the last few years...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

I have a feeling you won't see much punting from this offense next yr or the years to come. You can find a punter as a walk on or in 2014s class (they can start as freshman). James Clarks are harder to come by buddy. Plus, there's still time sign a punter before fall. Calm down.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

Squirrel Master's picture

What punts? No one is going to be punting this year! Won't need one!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

USMC11917's picture

Hope you are right but the first quarter of many games last year disagree with you.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Hopefully with this offense we won't have to be punting very much.

Class of 2010.

William's picture

This is what was discussed earlier on 97.1. OSU never pulled his offer, or prevented him from signing. The kid had a change of heart and chose a different school. Best of luck to him. 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Florida got a punter. Ohio State got Urban, and Clark. Florida is clearly the winner.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

DMcDougal24's picture

A little disappointing when a guy flips on NSD without giving the staff a heads up so that they can search for alternatives.. Perfectly understandable for him to flip if he had personal reasons or just felt like UF was a better fit, but at least give the staff a heads up (like Taivon Jacobs did). 
If the scholarship situation is the reason why he isn't at OSU, then obviously he didn't do anything wrong.

RedStorm45's picture

I mean, it's a punter so it's hard to be upset, but why stay committed for 7 months and not say anything?  Columbus isn't getting closer to Florida.
We don't know if the staff got caught off guard, I mean I guess we could say that based on no other punters being offered.  They didn't seem to be too disappointed in all of the interviews and camera-time yesterday.

ih8rolltyde's picture

Good luck to the kid, I hope his talents are utilized as much as possible at UF. Lotsa punting.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

jthiel09's picture

If this was about losing Vonn Bell or Trey Johnson I'd be upset ... he's a kicker not going to get upset about this but best of luck to him.

JT

DannyBeane's picture

Again you gotta do what's best for you. No hard feelings and best of luck to Johnny (unless he plays the buckeyes in which case I hope ever kick is returned for a touchdown.)

swank427's picture

Good luck to Johnny.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

There's still time to recruit and sign a punter for next fall.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

JuCo?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

Exactly. I don't know why so many people are so bummed. It's not the end of the world.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

JakeBuckeye's picture

If Alex is correct in his most recent comment, then I'm disappointed that this type of recruiting behavior has found its way to Ohio State. What a shame. Just awful.

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

 I don't know the specifics. Townsends dad said OSU didn't pull his scholarship. PLUS both of Townsends parents went to UF and his older brother is a junior on the football team. Maybe he changed his mind; 18 yr olds have a tendency to do that.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

BuddhaBuck's picture

Best of luck Johnny.
 
Some one on another board already mentioned this, but Kyle Turano was a walk-on (who played MLB at my high school, then BGSU) who didn't turn out to be a bad punter. Averaged 42.8 yards per punt and I don't recall any of his punts getting blocked... 
 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Disappointed that Townsend is not a Buckeye. Very relieved to see, however, that it appears, as of now, that the split was Townsend's decision and he wasn't squeezed out due to numbers as many seemed to believe. That Townsend's whole family is attending or has attended UF was news to me and certainly explains quite a bit.
Honestly, this tug-of-war is just something that we're going to have to get used to if we continue to go into SEC territory and take away their native sons; some are going to want to stay. Because I want us to continue to do this.

Bolt's picture

Punts? Punts?! We don't need no stinking punts!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

This prospector begs to differ:

BuckeyeChris's picture

Is that... Chester Copperpot?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

LMAO!
Naw, that's JT's face superimposed over the Humphrey Bogart character, Dobbs, from The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948). 
A scene from that classic movie is the source of the old "We don't need no stinkin' badges" jokes, like the one from Bolt above:

 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Sad because it seemed like he was really looking forward to working with Coach Meyer and being a Buckeye. I think the situation was tough on him in the end, but whatever happened behind the scenes didn't cause any hard feelings on either side. I feel like using the proverbial "It is what it is" statement to describe the sentiment. Wish him the best down in Gainesville.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

NC_Buckeye's picture

Another kick in the nuts from those damn tattoos. We can expect two more years on missing out on someone special likeTownsend.

RedStorm45's picture

Think of it this way...we have to go through 3 football seasons at the 82 limit.  We just went through 1.  2013 will be #2.  2014 will be the third year.  Next year's class is affected, but NSD 2015 (2 years from now) won't be as we will be back to 85 and recruits don't count against the limit until they enroll. 

RedStorm45's picture

Where did the oversign/gray shirt theory come from?  We were at 84 last year, right?  Why would 83 be a big deal this year?  Not saying I want guys to leave or transfer but it doesn't make sense to be fine getting to 84 in year 1 and then saying no, we have to hold firm at 82 in year 2.
Hard to be upset about a punter, right? But hopefully someone on the roster is decent at it.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Either that or we could try to set a record for the number of fake punts in a season. 

RedStorm45's picture

Les Miles will have something to say about that.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Yeah, but Les talks in circles and what he says won't make any sense:)

Earle's picture

How about this--the fakes could be when we actually punt the ball.  Kind of the reverse of our faked punt-block attempt against UM (although that particular strategy did not turn out so well)?

Italics are for emphasis.

Dean's picture

That's a great idea.  I would suggest that we run a reverse on every 4th down to Epitropolous, who can either rugby punt or run.

Triv's picture

Actually, if you remember from Urban's presser on NSD last year, he already knew of transfers, wasn't banking on them. A reporter asked him about being at 84 and he immediately responded with "were at 81" (waiting on Diggs announcement). Am I the only one that remembers this? Urban didn't oversign last year for those asking why he couldn't do it this year

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

Run_Fido_Run's picture

So, I wonder how Frank Epitropolous has been looking, either as a receiver or a punter?   

AndyVance's picture

You know who really gets the short end of the stick from this whole punter debacle? Paul Keels. The poor guy already has to differentiate between 27 different Coreys, Smiths Millers and Browns, but now he has to try and pronounce Epitropolous, too? That guy deserves a raise...

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Hey, it's up to Frank to make it easier on Paul Keels. If Frank can hit punts that have like 5.8 seconds of hang time, that will give Keels more time to pronounce Epitropolous. If Frank shanks a punt, Keels will only be able to get out something like, "Frank Epi . . . oooops!" 

DetroitBuckeye's picture

I don't like how this will look, special teams could be a huge hole moving forward.  A commit getting forced out because someone better comes along will not make this program look all that clean.

 
KateUptonsLowerBack's picture

"...not make this program look all that clean" ?
Clown comment bro

DetroitBuckeye's picture

How is that a clown comment?  We forced a kid out who really wanted to play for us, at least that what it looks like from the outside.  I'm not saying that we aren't clean for doing this it just looks that way.  As in if I take my scarlet and gray glasses off it might appear that way from the outside.

 
KateUptonsLowerBack's picture

Because you DON'T KNOW that OSU "forced him out".
Pretty simple.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Again, I said that's how it looks from the outside.  

 
Michael Citro's picture

As has been repeatedly said, including by the Townsend family, Johnny was not forced out by OSU.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Notable sources like Alex state that there was more to it than that. Common sense says the same thing.

RedStorm45's picture

Notable sources...like his dad who is being quoted??

JakeBuckeye's picture

Have you ever taken a history course? First person source bias. Since when has a quote coming straight from the horses' mouth ever been completely reliable? Townsends father could just be avoiding conflict and controversy, which is probably wise.

RedStorm45's picture

If it was pulled or held, why would the family care about acknolwedging it publicly?  Would they not be pissed?  Maybe they're great people and wouldn't want it to be an issue.   I don't know.  His dad isn't the only one saying the scholly wasn't pulled or held until available.  UF seemed to come out of nowhere at the last minute and he took the offer to be closer to home.  Nothing indicating we wanted to avoid being at 83 for the time being considering we sat at 84 last year and were still contemplating 85 with diggs/neal.  So nothing really points to us to telling a punter, a position of need, to hold off signing until the space became available.  We didn't do it last year.  Add that to what his dad said and he just had a change of heart when the school close to home offered.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

In any case, I hope that what I have read on this page from others about him not being forced out is accurate.  

 
Buckeye1996's picture

What better source is there? I don't get this line of reasoning. Could there have been something else? Yes, but that is speculation.
 
Urban even said they didn't pull any schollies for committed players. There's two very good sources.

William's picture

>Have you ever taken a history course?
>First person source bias
>Umm what? The MOST credible sources when it comes to information/historical information are a primary source, like Townsend's father, who said OSU never pulled his son's scholarship, not a secondary source like a "recruiting guru" on a website.
Why would the family say that OSU didn't pull the scholarship if Townsend signed with Florida? It doesn't make any sense to cover up for a school your son won't be attending. The kid had a change of heart, and that's fine. Best of luck to him. 

JakeBuckeye's picture

No, Will, a first person source talking about themselves has never been considered reliable. I'm not sure where you're getting that idea. For example, would George Washington talking about something George Washington did be considered a reliable opinion? Hitler? It would be noted because its important and interesting to hear what they have to say, but completely reliable? No. Primary source does not equal first person source. I guess in this case its not completely first person, but its his father, so its pretty much the same motive/bias behind whatever is being said.
I'm not sure why they didn't want to throw tOSU under the bus, if indeed we are the ones who turned the table on Townsend. Maybe they are a low-key family who doesn't need or want all the attention? I agree that would be a rarity in today's college football recruiting process. All I know is that Townsend was ALL Buckeye for a damn year. Then all of the sudden we unexpectedly get three extra signees, and all of the sudden he decides to go elsewhere ON SIGNING DAY. We had heard nothing about him rethinking his decision before the three unexpected players signed. I'm just using common sense. I apologize I'm not wearing my Urban Meyer sunglasses while talking about this one guys.

Buckeye1996's picture

Dude. it was his dad and not the recruit that said it. Twisting logic does not make an argument.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Great point, this was my thinking exactly.  My gut is that they asked him to wait he got insulted and went to Florida.  Again nobody really knows because his parents might not want to slander Tosu by talking negatively about the football program.  Granted, you could argue that there is nothing at all wrong with asking him to wait but if I was in his position a long time commit I would be very pissed.  As far as sources go you are completely right.  For instance if someone is on trial for a crime they commit and they were to say no I didn't do it would you just take their word for it instantly and let them go of course not.

 
Buckeye1996's picture

But it's not a court, crime, Hitler, or George Washington. I love the imagination but the dude decided to go to his hometown U who offered at the last moment. Simple as that...everything else is speculation.

RedStorm45's picture

Buckeye1996 makes sense.  You're comparing an 18 year old deciding on college to GW, Hitler, and court?? LOL I mean they're not even close to the same thing.  And it's the dad being quoted, not Johnny.  No one, anywhere, is on the record saying his offered was pulled.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

I wasn't talking about this instance but merely the use of first person sources.  It just makes me suspicious because there wasn't any hint of this happening before signing day.  It would be like one of our long time commits (Marshall, Bosa) at the last second just changing there mind.  That doesn't happen.  If there was second thoughts I wouldn't  be suspicious at all like Elliott or Bell.

 
tennbuckeye19's picture

No offense to Townsend, I know he's an All American punter and all, but his recruitment wasn't exactly on the same level as most of the other kids in OSU's class. He was under the radar. There could've been stuff going on behind the scenes with his recruitment that we didn't hear about because he was a punter and not a "bigger" recruit. Not saying that's the case, but who knows.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

That's a fair point, like I said before if I did hear things I wouldn't have been skeptical one bit.  It is true though because of his position that it could be why we didn't hear anything.

 
tennbuckeye19's picture

Just tossing it out. I really have no idea if that's the case. There seems to be so much speculation about this, why not toss out some more;) ?

William's picture

So you're saying a secondary source, like a recruiting guru on a website, is not only more accurate, but actually is providing the proper viewpoint about this issue? Over the guy's father? And yes journals kept by historical figures are considered primary sources, because guess what? They're the ones actually experiencing the event, it's why primary sources are so heavily sought after... 
Right now you're doing a lot of speculating, without having any proof to warrant your claims..

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Your right I don't have any proof, I am purely speculating.  I haven't said anything to the contrary.  Witnesses or secondary sources are more valuable because there is no inherent bias, as in they have no reason to lie.  Again not talking about this issue in particular just how sources work.

 
William's picture

I wasn't replying to you, but no secondary sources are not more valuable because they don't have as much insight to a situation. A lot of secondary sources contain speculation, and speculation isn't worth shit. There's no better current example of this than Richard III. Most people take Shakespeare's depiction of him to be factual, when records from Richard III's time show he was one of the more modern/progressive leaders of his era, even though Shakespeare was around decades after Richard III and based his depiction of him on complete conjecture/Tudor propaganda. 

DetroitBuckeye's picture

I mean a secondary source who is familiar with the situation, obvious if there is no bias on either side then a primary is more valuable.

 
JakeBuckeye's picture

No, I'm using common sense. I'm not using any source outside of the logic in my brain. Alex is pretty much saying the same thing as me. Why aren't more people chiding him?
We're on different pages wit the first-person source thing. What I'm trying to say that if George Washington was talking about whether or not he chopped down a cherry tree, he would not be considered a reliable source. An interesting and significant one? Yes. Reliable? No. Because his answer is biased. And you know that, but we were just not understanding each other.
After I had typed this comment up, I don't think I liked my argument using the historical example. It doesn't match up well enough since Townsend wouldn't be the one getting negative publicity if they had come out and said the scholly was pulled. I still think there's more to it than him just deciding elsewhere, though.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I'm not saying there could be more to it, cause there could be, but actually Alex said he didn't know the reason for Townsend not signing with OSU yesterday and gave an "educated guess". 

Oakland Buckeye's picture

So Jake & Detroit - you are going to take Alex' (always insightful) speculation OVER his fathers on record statement? Journalism much?

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm going to take Alex's common sense speculation, along with mine, and assume that there was more to it. I apologize that I disagree with most Buckeye fans on this one. I'm just looking at it from a sensible view.

William's picture

You're using assume and sensible view in the same argument, that doesn't compute..

Michael Citro's picture

Pretty sure Alex was throwing that out there as a *possible* scenario. We know more today.

What would Townsend's father have to gain by lying if his kid got screwed over by Ohio State? If my kid got screwed over I'd tell everyone who stuck a microphone or tape recorder in front of me.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Ding Ding - We have a winner!!!
Thanks Michael for actually demonstrating what common sense means!

JakeBuckeye's picture

Its very possible that he's avoiding conflict and attention. He might not want to drag out the whole situation. Just because that's what you would do, that doesn't mean that's what everybody else would do.
And Alex said he "thinks." I'm just saying what I think too. Sorry?

Poison nuts's picture

With all due respect though, Alex did say his theory was nothing more than an educated guess...While I understand your concern, if the family has stated clearly that the offer was not pulled -why worry too much beyond that. While we may never know for sure, I'll take the family at their word & am now ready to proceed with celebrating one of the greatest classes in school history.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

ih8rolltyde's picture

Zero highly prized recruits will concern themselves with the handling of a punter IMHO.
 
Other than punting (maybe) our special teams are set up to be NASTY going forward.  Can you imagine the competition to ensue over the punt/kickoff return duties?

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

prevetbuck's picture

If Urban and Co. didn't change the scholarship offer (which was really rubbing me the wrong way), then I feel a lot better about this. I know it leaves us a little in the lurch, but he's just a kid and needs to do what's best for himself and his future. I fully believe the staff will be able to find a serviceable punter, whether he is already on the roster or they get a walk-on.
 
Good Luck to Mr. Townsend.

osubuck57's picture

Good luck to him.Really weird how everything played out though.

SCOTTC.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Wont be an issue if epitropoulos or basil can step up. our 2013 punter averages a horrible yards per kick and becomes a liability, then expect the grumbling over this to start. In the meantime, going to continue marveling over this class

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Mi.Buckeye's picture

I would start scouting the soccer team to find a kid with a boot that is already attending school and a scholarship isn't an issue.

cplunk's picture

Take it from a soccer player, we can boot it but catching those drilled long snaps isn't our cup of tea. 

Squirrel Master's picture

Not all soccer players are good drop kickers which is what punters do. A field goal kicker and kickoff kicker would make sense, but combing the soccer players looking for a punter isn't just that easy!

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gumtape's picture

that would not work since the rule is as follows:
The NCAA also has rules specifying the sport in which multi-sport athletes are to be counted, with the basic rules being:[25]
Anyone who participates in football is counted in that sport, even if he does not receive financial aid from the football program. An exception exists for players at non-scholarship FCS programs who receive aid in another sport.
Unless the player was a non-scholarship soccer player that is.

just another psycho, irrational, delusional Ohio St fan

Buckeye1996's picture

Townsend's hang time = 7 months. Which is about the length of  time between his verbal and ultimate flip. I know it is his decision, but man it appears that he used us and not the other way around.

pincus's picture

This was clearly a very personal decision. By Urban F Meyer. To never effing ever punt the ball.

BamBamBuck's picture

Good luck to JT, just wished we could have gotten him in S&G.

BamBamBuck

Alex's picture

I think circumstances just changed...he'd have to wait to for someone to leave OSU to "officially" get his scholly and the opportunity to play for the Gators came about

RedStorm45's picture

Why didn't two recruits last year have to wait to "officially" get their scholarship?  Doesn't make sense that suddenly there's a hard line at 82 this year and not last.  Maybe they changed their philosophy, who knows, but were we not technically at 84 on NSD last year?  Oh well, doesn't matter much now.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

I think you actually nailed it Red - they have an established philosophy as demonstrated last year. The "wait til a schooly comes free" was nothing more than speculation.
Actual History demonstrates they would have signed Townsend... I believe his own fathers account that Townsend changed his mind - why would his father cover for Urbz if scholly was pulled or his son was asked to delay? There is no rational reason. He (you or I) would have buried Urbz if my son verbaled 7 months ago & was told to wait.

Triv's picture

I said this up earlier, but in Urban's NSD presser last year a reporter asked about being at 84 and Urban quickly fired back with "were at 81" which implied that he already had been informed of transfers that hadn't gone public. We did not oversign last year

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

RedStorm45's picture

We have all but been guaranteed of some form of attrition by the staff of this site, who is more often than not correct.

Triv's picture

It has been speculated that there are 4-5 people who could leave, but Urban's comments implied that 3 guys had already left before NSD and just hadn't made it public

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

RedStorm45's picture

O'Connor and Crowell have already left.  But the only timing that matters is the number of scholarships come August.

dallasbuckeye's picture

Alex, just admit that you were wrong about Ohio St pulling or delaying Townsend's scholarship and move on. Clearly, Meyer did not pull or delay Townsend. Townsend's father said that the offer from Ohio St wasn't pulled, Meyer said that no offers were pulled, and both of Townsend's parents are Florida alums. It's just a case of a kid wanting to say close to home. The class move on your part would be to apologize for accusing Ohio St of screwing with Townsend's offer because they signed all three of their late targets, but if you can't do that, you could at least stop trying to make yourself look better with comments like the one I'm replying to.
As far as whether Townsend would "officially" have received his scholarship yesterday, the limit for players in this class was 25. He could have been the 25th player yesterday, but he chose to drop TOSU at literally the last minute for Florida. I know that we were at 82 yesterday after the final fax was received, but NCAA rules state that a university does not have to be at or under it's scholorship limit until the beginning of camp. That's why Townsend would have received his "official" scholarship yesterday had he signed. Being at 83 would have been fine since the coaching staff is aware that another player currently under scholarship will leave before the NCAA deadline for being at the scholarship level arrives.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Yes but he didn't want to stay close to home during the other 7 months of his recruitment.  That's isn't very good logic, they simply ran out of spots so it would be mighty convenient that he just happened to change schools.

 
johnblairgobucks's picture

Ever know those guys that talk about doing this and that, but when it's time to actually do it, they don't?  Call it.... talking a big game.....put your money where your mouth is..... put up or shut up.  Those phrases came about for a reason.  Throughout time, alot of humans have had big plans.
I'm not saying anything negative about Townsend here.  Human nature has us dream of where we would like to be, but when the moment comes to move, sometimes comfort is more appealing than sacrifice and the unknown.
 

BuckeyeVet's picture

Good luck to the kid. Hope this doesn't wind up reflecting badly on either us or him. But.....Tressel will NOT be sleeping well tonight.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

Poison nuts's picture

He will sleep fine. He will be nestled in a warm bed with a full set of pin-striped pajamas, which will be buttoned to the neck.
Edit: I am a big JT fan...this is a harmless joke.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

UrbanWoodrowEarlTressel's picture

me thinks "DETROITBUCKEYE" is really a scUM fan in disguise. Always chiming with borderline anti-OSU/anti-Urban remarks

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Really you really think that, what anti-urban remarks have I made.  I just don't think that a kid who was committed for this long should have to wait that's it.  Please remind me of other anti-osu remarks I have made(I really don't consider these remarks to be anti-osu either.

 
JakeBuckeye's picture

Some of you guys sound ridiculous. Make your unfunny and unoriginal Tressel jokes. Every championship team needs a good kicking unit. Johnny was set to a vital part of this football team off the bat. Mock me for this, but given the choice I would take Townsend over Clark to finish this class. Our depth with playmakers in this class is deep. Now we have no true punter. Clark is the more exciting commit (and I know that's what its all about for some of you) but Townsend would have proven to be more important in many games had he come here. Very disappointed.

Buckeye1996's picture

I am also dissappointed, but disagree a bit. I would rather have Clark hands down. You can never have enough playmakers especially when we did not have many to begin with. Punters are important but not a priority over playmakers IMO.

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

I'm taking Clark over Townsend every time.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, in theory, but that's assuming that Townsend was asked to delay his LOI and/or didn't change his mind on his own for altogether different reasons.
The reasons that I agree only in theory:

  • Punters are a funny breed. Wasn't Buchanan a high-ranked punter as a h.s. recruit? The Buckeyes had another punter about eight years ago or so who came in highly touted but did not have a good year until his senior season. Let's see how Townsend does at Florida.
  • Likewise, it's very difficult to predict which sub-6'0 slot player will turn into a dynamic playmaker. If that turns out to be Clark, then - no! - the Buckeyes would not have been better off with an all-conference punter than an all-conference TD machine in the slot.  

 

bukyze's picture

I don't know if I'd take him over Clark, but I agree that he would've been a big part of this team.  People tend to overreact and think we're going to throw 70+ on every team and never have to punt.  Punting can easily win you a game when consistently giving the other team poor field position.   When we're punting on our 10 yard line, it's nice to know that the other team just might be starting on their own 40 instead of our 40.  Technically, it's true he wasn't forced out or had his scholarship pulled, but in having him wait for a scholly to open, it put him in a difficult position.  Can't say I blame him for bailing for a scholarship that's open now.  Best of luck to him.  I sure hope Frank has a leg.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

No disagreement, except that we can't be suer that Townsend was going to be the starting punter in 2013 or even 2014 for that matter. I'm pretty ignorant on the current punting situation at Ohio State, but I bet there's few kids on the roster banging away at footballs as we speak.

tennbuckeye19's picture

OSU currently does not really have a punter on their roster. They have guys who might be able to do it, though. They have Drew Basil who is listed as both Kicker & Punter, Frank Epitropoulos who punted in HS, and they have a couple guys listed as Kickers.

Buckeye1996's picture

Who said he had to wait? The orlando article said other opportunities opened up and he took one.
 
I don't get it. He left us hanging not the other way around.
 
I wanted him in the class no doubt, but Townsend decided not to be a part of it.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Thanks 96 - someone who actually reads news articles. I dont get all the drama about assuming the worst regarding Urbz. Unless of course - 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Yep. I'm a troll. Because Urban Meyer isn't my God? Sorry I'm using my common sense and trying to figure this out. I simply don't want shady recruiting BS going on at Ohio State. We hate what the SEC does.

Buckeye1996's picture

Common sense says that he decided to go elsewhere.
Shady recruiting accusations are imagination.

JakeBuckeye's picture

A whole year of being a solid commit. He's been out there helping recruit guys to Ohio State. None of us ever heard anything about him wavering his commitment. Then we get three UNEXPECTED commits, which put us one player over our limit, and after the third commits, we start hearing about Townsend going else where?
And I'm sooooooo stupid for thinking something might be up here...

Buckeye1996's picture

I'm curious but where did you see he was helping with recruiting? Do you think he would have much influence on someone like Clark, Wilson, Eze etc?

JakeBuckeye's picture

What? He was one of the guys out there at all star games and such spreading the good word about Ohio State, just like some of our other recruits have done.

Buckeye1996's picture

While you were hanging around in the background listening? Is that a primary or secondary source? Just kidding. 
He's gone. Time to move on.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Why arent you suspicious of Taivon Jacobs? Almost identical setting - long time verbal, flips on NSD. I see no drama there. Difference is someone yelled fire in the theater - so we think there is a fire even though Clay Townsend has said there is no fire. That is why people think you & Detroit are trolls - because there is not one lick of evidence that this staff did anything to Townsend. In fact it looks like the opposite - & his own dad doesnt mind putting his own son in a potentially bad light of flipping after being verbally committed for 7 months.

JakeBuckeye's picture

So Alex is a troll? I'm just stating what I think makes sense. I'm so sorry it is SO offensive to you.

bukyze's picture

If you look at the 15th previous post, ALEX said he would have to wait.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Alex speculated.
His dad acutally stated on record he had other opportunities, including tOSU - which was not pulled.
Why not the fuss over Taivon  - he basically did the same thing & there is no drama - only diff is he stated he wanted to be closer to his child - & Townsend wanted to be closer to home - same reason that OConnor gave for leaving.
Conspiracy much?

DetroitBuckeye's picture

There were whispers, rumors about Taivon leaving there weren't any about Townsend.  Recruits don't just up and leave for a school without having reported interest.  As stated before maybe it just didn't get coverage because he's a punter.

 
JakeBuckeye's picture

The biggest difference is that we heard about Taivon possibly reconsidering before the other unexpected commits that put us over the limit committed. We heard nothing about Johnny until AFTER. That's the entire reason there's speculation

Oakland Buckeye's picture

It leaked the day before. SERIOUSLY?
A difference of 16 hours that one was heard before the other.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Bottom line is that we heard about Taivon BEFORE we recieved an UNEXPECTED commit that put us over the limit. Doesn't matter how soon before.

AcrossTheField11's picture

We should look to the OSU soccer team to grab a kid for double duty.  There seem to ALWAYS be soccer studs that double as kickers / punters because they have big legs.  They've already got a soccer scholly so they wouldn't be using one of the football teams' scholarships and could be listed as a "walk on" player.  Said player wouldn't necessarily need to be at all of the teams practices etc, as their main role is simply to punt the ball. 
The only problems I could see is if there were a mens soccer game on a Saturday afternoon.  I'm sure Urban could smooth it over with his soccer coach in the event that that were to happen.
Take your pick Urban!
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/osu-m-soccer-mtt.html

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Doc's picture

Alex Ivanov.  He's a sophomore, goalkeeper and he's from Strongsville Ohio.  Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

"Say my name."

NC_Buckeye's picture

Soccer schedule runs concurrent with football.
I'm sure these guys would have a problem with one of their players missing games so he could punt on Saturdays. Also think these guys would have something to say about that as well.

Doc's picture

Good luck to the kid.  I hope he made the best decision for himself.  I think the soccer team has a goalie or two that could punt the crap out of a foozball.

"Say my name."

andyb's picture

"Starting punter Kyle Christy just completed his sophomore season and was one of three finalists for the Ray Guy Award, which goes to the nation's top punter. He played a critical role in many of UF's tight games."

 
This HAD to be something other than wanting to stay home....just sayin...Good luck young man. 

LouGroza's picture

Muschamp stuck it to Urban by stealing his punter. After Urban stole Clark from UF, Muschamp stole Urbans punter. He doesn't need the punter, but did need to send a big FU to Urban. After all he probably buys into Bianchis BS by now that Urban set him up to fail.

theobi's picture

Good luck to Johnny. I hope the reports are true and he was not forced out at all. Hope he does great things.

RedStorm45's picture

"Orlando Boone High punter Johnny Townsend, after weighing numerous options, has decided to stay close to home and has signed with the Florida Gators.
Townsend, one of the top punters in the nation and a U.S. Army All-American, was committed since August to go to Ohio State, but given other opportunities, he decided he wanted to play football closer to family, said his father Clay Townsend on Thursday afternoon."
"It was a difficult decision for Townsend, weighing options that included full-ride scholarships that are rare for punters. In the end, however, despite what had been unwavering loyalty to Urban Meyer and the Buckeyes, family came first.
The 6-foot-2, 200-pound Townsend, who is the No. 31-ranked player in the Sentinel's Central Florida Super60, will join his brother, Clay Townsend Jr., at UF. Johnny Townsend's parents, Clay and Susan Townsend, also went to school at Florida.

"Susan and I were Gators but we didn't push him in any direction," Clay Townsend said of his son. "If he wanted to be a Buckeye, then we were in full support of him going to Ohio State. This was an extremely difficult decision for a young man to make."
Townsend was set to make his announcement at Boone on Wednesday, but he decided he was not ready to sign his papers until he was sure of all considerations and weighed all of the options."
 
I don't know where the oversigning theory came from.  That's all speculation at this point.  Urban and the staff isn't going to turn away a position of need after 7 months, especially when last year we sat at 84 and were going after Diggs or Neal for 85.  JT would make 83.  We didn't make anyone "wait" last year.  Simple change of heart.  Sounds like an EZE or Diggs situation with the home school offering.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Thanks again Red - I appreciate your common sense here. As I replied earlier - why would the dad lie about his sons intentions? If Urbz pulled or asked him to wait - the dad would have buried UFM. No reason to protect him. And they showed last year in their culture that they will sign slightly over, knowing there will be attrition.

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

Great point.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

tennbuckeye19's picture

From checking Florida's team roster, adding Townsend gives them 5 punters for 2013.

Buckeye1996's picture

Maybe we can borrow one?

AndyVance's picture

Apparently they're nowhere near as confident in their offense as we are...

BuckeyeSki's picture

Banned from BlackShoeDiaries since 2008. Crime: Slander/Defamation of Character Judgement: Guilty

DefendOhio's picture

Good luck to Johnny. Now we can officially move on to 2014. 

BigBuck623's picture

Even if Florida was at its max with everyone else they signed.. my guess is that when Clark flipped to OSU, Muschamp told Townsend he could have the scholly being held open for Clark.

LouGroza's picture

Especially when it stuck it to Urban for stealing Clark.

dallasbuckeye's picture

Great point, and a truly classy move by Muschamp. Gotta love sore losers.

cal3713's picture

This.  This actually makes sense. The kid wanted to stay close to home but didn't have an offer from UF.  Clark flips, opens a spot on the UF roster, and they extend the offer, oppening up a difficult  decision for Townsend that makes him delay his announcement.  Eventually he decides for UF over OSU.  As others have pointed out, why would Urban pull an offer when we have a critical need for a punter?  Good coaches (like Meyer & Tressel) do not ignore that position, and Meyer is even in charge of the punt team.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Lou & company, I love this theory - makes a lot more SENSE.

BuckeyePride's picture

Does anyone remember the tweet from a sports writer stating that if the rumors were true that Florida and OSU need to schedule home and away games because of the possible flip?  He also stated he was not talking about James Clark. 
 
-this was on Tuesday night that I read the tweet as well. 

How Firm Thy Friendship....

Buckeye1996's picture

Ha. You are right. I forgot about that but was assuming the mystery flip was Trey.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Yeah, and most everyone assumed it was Trey Johnson, but I suppose Townsend could've been in the mix then as well.

ARMYBUCK's picture

I hate all negative posts about Tressel, I really do.  He obviously knew a little bit more than your average fan.  At any rate, best of luck to Johnny Townsend.  Im sure he will regret it.

buckeyechad's picture

I really miss when people could have discussions on this site with disagreeing opinions without it turning into a pissing match. Unfortunately with gaining popularity (and this site deserves every page hit it gets and then some) the maturity level seems to decrease at a pretty startling rate. 

Sgt. Elias's picture


Sigh. Agreed. With seemingly rampant down-voting of posts for the grevious offense of including a noun to the too-oft beclowning of logical discourse in the comments section, you could say 11W has reached a popularity event horizon. With success comes the good...and the clown. 
 
 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

JakeBuckeye's picture

I don't know if that was a shot at me or someone else, but let it be known that the only downvote I've given to is to the guy who called me a troll. I apologize that I have a differing view point. Sheesh!

Sgt. Elias's picture

That's not a shot at you at all, it was a comment on some of the recent activity in general. 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

buckeyechad's picture

JakeBuckeye: just so you know I often agree with your 'differing' opinions, and usually try and upvote you when I can. But usually don't feel like getting involved internet arguments so I don't really comment on them.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I gotcha man. I don't even mind the downvotes/disagreement, the only thing annoying me right now is this guy trying to label me a troll.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I don't know if that was a shot at me or someone else, but let it be known that the only downvote I've given to is to the guy who called me a troll. I apologize that I have a differing view point. Sheesh!

RedStorm45's picture

Jake, surprised to see all the downvotes/backlash but it probably is coming from the wild speculation/theories, rather than your viewpoint.  If there was something to back it up, then I wouldn't see an issue, but you (and Detroit?) were comparing this kid's college decision to testifying in a criminal court case.  And you just discounted what his father said.  I think that might be it, but who knows.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

“It went really bad . . . sad and it was tough to tell him I wouldn't be coming up there,” Johnny said. “He wanted to know why I was making that choice, and I just told him I had a change of heart and had to do what was best for me and my family. It was tough calling Coach Meyer. He has been so great all along the whole process.”

NUFF SAID - This is why speculation is inflammatory to  great websites like 11W

Johnny Townsend @johnnytownsend1
S/o to the real #BuckeyeNation you all are the best fans and I hope my decision is respected and understood. #gogators
4:55 AM - 08 Feb 13

RedStorm45's picture

^^This.  This is precisely why we should wait until we hear from everyone (or everyone who is allowed to comment per NCAA rules) before we start making wild assumptions that the staff pulled his offer...leading to at least a couple 100 to 200+ comment threads/stories with many freaking out that Urban and Co. are "bad people" or we're not "recruiting clean" anymore.  Seriously...Urban is a recruiting machine.  He's not going to make the program look bad by pulling an offer last minute or make a kid wait when he was committed for 7 months.
 
No one seems all that pissed that Taivon Jacobs flipped to Maryland (granted, we ended up with 4 or 5 big playmakers).  Kyle Dodson flipped to his "home" school last year.  Diggs stayed at home.  James Quick stayed home.  Dodson was the only one who gave a verbal elsewhere, but the point is guys stay close to home sometimes and guys flip.  We certainly benefited last year from recruit switches.

LouGroza's picture

Figured someone would come up with the fact that Urban swooped in and flat out stole Clark from Muschamp. Muschamp, being the hothead that he is, found a great way to get back by offering the one guy he wouldn't before, but since Clarks spot was open, and it would be a great way to stick a knife in his back, so be it. Muschamps way to say FU Urban! 

dbev1980's picture

Not gonna need a punter! Let's go for it on 4th down. First team ever to win a National Championship without punting.

RedStorm45's picture

Yeah...how's that working out for Oregon?

Buckeye Chuck's picture

It looks like what might have happened is that Townsend started getting some scholarship offers at the last minute, once some schools got to signing day and realized they were going to have some space left (I'm not sure if Florida oversigns under the new regime or not). That obviously sounds a lot better than my initial supposition, which is that the Buckeyes were asking a long term commit to wait until they officially got back under 82 scholarships.
If the young man was happy to take our offer, but in actuality just had the Buckeyes as his "safety school" in case the Gators didn't come through for him, that would be disappointing behavior. But I expect we'll be OK--I'm actually more concerned about stuff like our blocking schemes on punts, which were an occasional train wreck last season, than I am about the identity of the guy doing the punting.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

jaxbuckeye's picture

I don't care THAT he changed his commitment, I care WHEN he did it.  Doing it at the last minute is a douchebag move, whether you're a punter or a running back.  I know, it's his life, blah, blah, blah.  But, he had PLENTY of time to do his due dillegence.  It reflects poorly on him.  The guy is an Eagle Scout, no less.

CALPOPPY's picture

My goodness, the dude is 18 years old and making a choice about whether he wants to move really far away from home. Cut him some slack. It appears that he didn't have other offers before now. I can't fault him for changing his mind.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Cut him some slack?  The guy held onto a spot for months on a team with limited scholarships.  He bails on them at the 11th hour, literally.  How about YOU stop enabling people like him with the lame excuse of "he's only 18".

AJBor41's picture

From everything out there, he sounds like a good kid who simply changed his mind and went with UF.  By your account, is Dontre Wilson a douchebag as well for bailing on Oregon in the last weekend?

AndyVance's picture

No, the obvious difference in the Dontre recruitment was the change in regimes in Eugene. When the head coach leaves, it's par for the course to examine your options. That didn't happen here - I'm not mad at Johnny T, but I certainly understand why people are calling him for reneging on his commitment.

AJBor41's picture

Sure, but what did happen here is he received an offer that he didn't have before.  He didn't have a UF offer until Monday, and that's his favorite school and the place where both parents went and his brother currently goes.  The Dontre Wilson comparison was not to be taken seriously, but merely to show that kid's change their minds all the time, and that doesn't justify name calling on an 11W board. 

AndyVance's picture

Name calling = very bad. Agreed.
Even so, it appears that what many of us are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with (and probably going to have to learn to live with for the foreseeable future) is the notion that a commitment has become nothing more than a placeholder. When you make a commitment, you stick with it unless something drastic happens - like a coaching change or the Penn State debacle.
If you think you could get better offers, do what Clark and Bell did and wait until NSD to decide. Committing to hold a spot in a recruiting class and then whiffing on NSD is bad form - even if I can empathize with the kid for picking his dream school and staying close to home.
It worked out for Ohio State in the sense that we have a more limited number of schollies to offer this year, but what if we hadn't bagged Bell, Clark and Wilson? Then we would have passed up two or three other potential Buckeyes to hold a spot for a punter that flipped at the last minute, if you follow my logic.

AJBor41's picture

I'd say our main difference in opinion is that I feel that a new scholarship offer can fit into the "something drastic" category, and that it shouldn't be limited to coaching changes or, well, Penn State-type situations. 
If you couldn't go to your dream school because they didn't ask you, and then suddenly that changed, that's pretty drastic.  That said, in a perfect world maybe every commit waits until NSD and it's a complete crapshoot.  That would certainly make it even more of a media spectacle. 

AndyVance's picture

Correct on all counts - I don't actually disagree with you at all, but I understand why other folks feel like his should have "honored" his commitment to Ohio State, be a man of his word, etc. etc. etc.
I totally understand why he flipped; putting myself in his shoes, if I had an offer to Florida and at the last minute Urban called, I would have probably flipped, too. That said, you'd always have to think, why is it that you didn't want me until someone else wanted me first?
But then again, I'm vain like that.

tampa buckeye's picture

This would be a big deal in a J.T offense, but with UFM here and all this firepower I don't see them punting a whole lot.

Baroclinicity's picture

I understand that, but come on.  Penalties, bad plays, etc... is it really unrealistic to think we'll need a good punt from our own 5 yard line at various points in the season?  As dominating as we might be, we don't need to shank kicks from deep in our own territory that let the opposing team set up shop at our 40 yard line.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, but if they only punt 40 times during the 12 game regular season in 2013 - they punted 62 times in 2012 - that would reduce the cumulative effects of a suboptimal punting game.
Hopefully, it wouldn't come back to haunt them in a close game. However, as I mentioned above several times (sorry to be a broken record), we don't know that Townsend would necessarily be that productive as a frosh. I can't recall many frosh punters that were consistently good. 
Besides, if they simply get all their kicks away this year (no blocks), that'd be a big improvement over 2012 right there.  

Baroclinicity's picture

Hopefully, it wouldn't come back to haunt them in a close game. 

All it takes is one bad one to ruin a championship run...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

buckz4evr's picture

Personally, I was a little concerned if he was that great of a punter.  He shanked a kick in the Army All-American Game game he played in.  Made me wonder if he can take the pressure being in a stadium that holds 105,000 fans with the game on the line.
 

Buckeye80's picture

I don't want to speculate what happened...but if I take everybody at the word...Townsend's decision is upsetting. Once again I'll hold complete judgement until I hear the whole story, but I really wonder if he give the staff a heads up. I don't like the fact that his spot was held for 6-7 months and then he backs out on NLOI day. Especially since we need a punter. 
I would feel the same way if the scholarship was pulled. I'm glad that the B1G does 4 year scholarships. I believe these kids deserve to feel safe in their commitment, and shouldn't have to be worried about being forced out (LSU style).
i would have felt the same way about EZE. The staff stopped recruiting other backs after promising EZE would be the only one if he would commit. I understand his second guessing the decision, but I feel he was very mature, and stuck by his word. I respect him immensely for that. 

Northbrook's picture

Johnny T, best of luck to you. You will do well at Fla. We gonna drive on.

Hetuck21's picture

Best of luck to him. No hard feelings and hopefully the same from their side. We have numbers to crunch due to our sanctions and he had offers that could wrap up what can be very a intense and stressful process. From the kids perspecitve, I could imagine that he would want to wrap up the process and move on the next phase of college planning. He should not have to worry about what may or may not happen in another week or two to free up space. He did what he needed to secure his future. Our staff killed it on NSD and I am sure there were tough decisions all around. Who knows if some others that may have wanted to be a part of the class but were turned away. One of those things. Again best of luck at a high end program that is close to home. Let the kid be happy in the outcome. 
 
Frank E., come on down as your the next punter on the Bucks are Right. With the new WR haul, you may need to branch out. 

741's picture

This thread is WAY too long. It's a punter, my brothers and sisters. I suspect Urban and staff could set up a competition with the existing student body and find a competent walk-on candidate. (For that matter, let's also have one for a kick off specialist who can consistently kick the ball out of the back of the endzone.)

WoodyHayesHaymaker's picture

It's not that easy.  Punters are a pretty valuable part of any team, and your assessment goes directly against what Urban believes.  That's why we offered him in the first place.

741's picture

I'm not saying OSU wouldn't be better off with this particular punter - to the contrary I'm sure he's a stud or the staff wouldn't have offered him a scholarship. I'm just saying, we are talking about a punter.

TBDBITL0509's picture

I'm not happy Townsend isn't in this class, however... if this is the biggest disappointment we have from how this class closed out, I'd say we're in damn good shape. Go Bucks!

LouGroza's picture

Thank you. Punting for an athletic guy such as Frank E. is a fairly repetitive muscle memory function. If he averaged around 40 yards per punt in HS, he will certainly better that mark with 2 years of maturity. We'll be fine.

WoodyHayesHaymaker's picture

Well if Urban thought we "would be fine" with Frank E as the punter, he wouldn't have offered a punter.

LouGroza's picture

Understood. The meaning was after what has happened we will be fine. Not one to get all worked up over things. Times like these become memorable due to unforeseen circumstances. Frank or Joe or Tom may become the B1Gs leading punter for 2013 and without this happening, no one would have guessed it.

cajunbuckeye's picture

I'm going to have to agree with Jake and Detroit on this one. There is no way a UF graduate and possible life long Gaturd fan would make negative statements regarding the recruitment of his son by tOSU. Making inflammatory statements against Urban Meyer and the Buckeyes would never happen in the sunshine state. Besides, who would ever want to play on the same team as your brother?  Nkemdiche I guess, but he's nobody. The poor kid was forced out, and his parents love for the tOSU is the only thing keeping it under wraps

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Your right he was just all buckeye then 5 minutes before he signs the letter of intent while asking for the pen he says you know what I love Florida, that's where i'm going.

 
johnblairgobucks's picture

maybe he did.  He said as much.  Are you calling him a liar?  If he is a liar, do you want him at OSU anyways?  Not sure what you are after anyway.  It is what it is. 
Seems like you want a chance to walk about your place wearing a Sherlock Holmes costume holding a magnifying glass to your eye, while smoking a pipe, talking about that punter that that lies to protect a dishonorable OSU staff.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

No, you have me all wrong.  I was just saying that it was an unfortunate situation for all parties involved.  I just don't exactly buy that he had a change of heart at the last second when he was a strong commit all along.  I said nothing about osu being dishonorable even if they did ask him to wait to sign until later it would suck for the kid but it's not dirty or anything.  

 
GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

And for a guy who usually is on top of stuff, John Blair, you sure as blazes appear to be wearing 2 eyepatches and a clothespin on your nose while you put your hands over your ears and sing "I can't hear you"
We all use our common sense and experience on this site and analyze what we (think we are) seeing, but you cut off the chatter when something smells bad??
 And the liar thing is silly -- kid is saving face.  Similar to Timmons' coach ranting that his offer was commitable.

johnblairgobucks's picture

sarcasm font?  I'm a noob to such things. 
I do agree with your post though (understood sarcasm).  The kid had an offer, kid went to Florida.  kid said what he had to say.  There isn't some organized Buckeye Mafia forcing the kid to tell a fabricated story.  I'm not quite sure what some posters are looking for in this event.  It happened, it was explained and it's history. 
Urban Meyer is still the same guy that left BG/his recruits for a better job in Utah.  He left Utah/his recruits for a better job at Florida.  He suspended a linebacker for 1/2 a game after the linebacker tried to poke a kids eyes out,  Meyer is cut-throat.  Would it suprise me that he squeezed this punter out of the class to make room for potential gamebreakers.......no.  According to 3 sources (closest to the situation) it's not how it happened.  The punter told his story of the events, and I'm not inclined to believe he is a liar.
To believe the conspiracy posters, you'd have to think Urban is a flat out liar, Townsend is a flat out liar, Townsend's father is a flat out liar and that Florida offered this kid a scholarship, so OSU/Meyer wouldn't look bad. 

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Nobody is talking about a conspiracy I was just saying that I don't necessarily believe that he had a change of heart, osu ran out of spots that's it.  Or maybe he was thinking about this for awhile and he just left because he wanted to go to Florida, just speculation don't know why everyone freaks out because posters make a couple of comments none of which would indicate wrongdoings by any parties.

 
johnblairgobucks's picture

speculation....... why would you even do that?  He said, his father said, urban said....... many are speculating why that's not enough for you.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

zhttp://www.landgrantholyland.com/2013/2/7/3966086/why-johnny-townsend-ch...
I got a link, he just chose Florida the only reason why I was suspicious was because I didn't hear anything prior to his decommittment which you almost always do.  Like with Taivon Jacobs for example, probably just didn't hear about because well he's a punter.  Speculation isn't a bad thing, I didn't accuse Urban or anyone else of any wrong doing.  I said he might of asked him to wait which staff members on this site like Alex had suggested.  Besides why do you care if one poster speculates?

 
johnblairgobucks's picture

you have posted yourself in a huge circle on this thread. 

DetroitBuckeye's picture

How so?  I was just curious to the real story.  

 
Oakland Buckeye's picture

sorry Caj, meant to upvote.. I owe you one

cajunbuckeye's picture

It appears that wild speculation will be down voted. As for assumptions; always remember, assume makes an ASS out of U and ME. In this case, it looks like just Jake and Detroit. Good luck in Gainesville Johnny

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

ArizonaBuckeye's picture


For the very few Buckeyes fans actually butt hurt over this. I think OSU will be ok.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm just hoping our recruiting practices stay clean, that's all. I love tOSU and anytime I see anything like this I get scared.

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

Look man, you seem like a classy guy. I know people have been giving you shit, but this is an OSU die harders site. If you imply (even for a second) that you think something shady might be going on without any hard evidence (especially after the bullshit the school and it's fan base has had the endure the last couple years) you better be ready to accept criticism. Bottom line is that non of us really know. Shit happens man, especially in the recruiting game. Did you really expect Wilson, Clark AND Bell to all sign? I know I didn't. Maybe OSU MIGHT have asked him to wait until roster space opened OR maybe the kid simply had a change of heart. Believe it or not it does happen from time to time.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

Idk why but this cracked me the F up. Hilarious!!

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

KE's picture

Here's the take of Mike Bianchi, renown Urban-hater:
"Here's the difference between Meyer and Muschamp: Meyer was famous for signing highly rated recruits (see busts such as former cornerback Josh Shaw and former safety Jeremy Finch) even if it meant overruling the evaluations of his own assistant coaches. In contrast, it's not uncommon for Muschamp to turn down highly rated recruits because the rankings don't jibe with the evaluation of his coaching staff."
This is what we OSU fans living in Florida have to put up with.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Yeah I know how it is, it's weird because many of these people I don't mind(gator fans in general) unless it's about Osu or Meyer.  I wish football didn't exist in Florida seriously.

 
Poison nuts's picture

Mike Bianchi is such a dick.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buck Commander's picture

Who cares Sign one in the next class...Like we need a punter....4th and 3.........Go for it!!!

Every time I set my DVR to record Biggest Loser......It always records Wolverine Football Games!

buckeye76BHop's picture

Even Urban expressed surprise about landing all three (commenting that he didn't know Bell had committed when Vonn called).  I think you can see it in Urban's face at the podium to start with that he was happy...but concerned.  Think about it...Johnny had been solidly committed to OSU since June.  It was landing Clark, Bell on NSD and Wilson on Monday night that caused the log jam.  It's nothing to fault Johnny for, OSU or the coaches or any one else involved in the situation. You can look to our lovely 82 scholarship limit and the NCAA for the problem.  Any other year where OSU would of had 85...well, then this Gray Box doesn't happen IMO of course.  

It could just be caught in mid expression here....but I saw the entire presser.  At times he was elated with some questions...and then made this face a few times when asked questions geared towards Johnny T and what not.  Could be me...but I genuinely think Urban was surprised with what transpired with all three choosing OSU.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Agreed, I didn't think that there was any ill intention towards him or anything.  It just sucks how it turned out because of the scholarship situation. 

 
RedStorm45's picture

Scholarship limit wasn't an issue.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Wrong...^^^it most definitely was...sorry not trying to attack nor will I down vote you.  But even Urban said it was the issue.  OSU would of had to wait to see if some one left the program to extend the offer for an additional scholarship for JT (and it was pretty obvious OSU wasn't going to yank the offer and ask him to walk on...they were past that possibility).  I recommend watching the presser from NSD before making comments that might not be an informed/factual opinion.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

penult's picture

Where did Urban say it was the issue? Didn't see him say that about Townsend anywhere. Seriously, you are in complete denial of reality. Townsend changed his mind, and wanted to stay close to his family. He has admitted that and that matches what his dad was claiming.
Haha, just read your last sentence. Um, yeah, take your own advice.

buckeyedude's picture

Damnit! There goes our #1 class.

 

 

dallasbuckeye's picture

Scout still has us at #1. We just nudged out TUUN.
Football Recruiting Team Rankings
Rank School Commits Conference Points
1 Ohio State 24 Big Ten 5121
2 Michigan 27 Big Ten 5113
3 Alabama 25 SEC 4865
4 Notre Dame 24 Indep 4807
5 UCLA 26 Pac-12 4769
6 LSU 27 SEC 4465
6 Texas A&M 32 SEC 4465
8 Florida 29 SEC 4250
9 Georgia 32 SEC 4169
10 Mississippi 26 SEC 4092
 

buckeye76BHop's picture

@ BuckeyeDude:  This made me laugh pretty hard dude;-)

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

MN Buckeye's picture

If UFM is concerned about who we already have as a punter, I would rather see him go out and find a great rugby player rather than a soccer player.  Rugby is football without pads and kicking (punting) on the run.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

What - We lost a punter? Damn - fire that Special Teams coach!

Yamosu's picture

Did someone day we needed a kicker?

Yamosu's picture

In all seriousness, I am not sure that she punted as well.  I am also glad that Johnny left on his own.  Wish he has signed with us though.  We do need a punter.

buckeyedude's picture

She may not punt, but I bet she knows how to score!

 

 

buckeye76BHop's picture

I had such a crush on her when I was in HS...she's still pretty hot today too.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

DefendYoungstown's picture

Skilled Position > Punter

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

harleymanjax's picture

When reached for comment about Johnny Townsend, Urban Meyer replied.......in the words of the immortal Sweet Brown "ain't nobody got time to punt!"

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Menexenus's picture

Need I remind you all that the most important play in football is the punt?  :-)  You might not have liked Tressel's philosophy, but you can't argue with the results...
I know I shouldn't be, but I'm honestly a little worried now about not having a reliable punter next year.  Let's face it: some 4/5 star prospects pan out and some don't.  But a solid punter is money in the bank. 
I hope my concern is unfounded.  I mean, I'm still pleased as punch about our haul this year.  All hail Urbz and Co., etc.  But it's a real shame this one got away...

Real fans stay for Carmen.

BammBammRiley's picture

Little late catching up.. but I just saw this news. It's all good and I wish the kid success and I hope his decision works out good for him..ya win some...ya lose...almost never but it can happen.

Speaking of winning, I LOVE this Kevin Niehoff kid. I MEAN, I know absolutely zilch about him, but his name obviously has super punter written in all kinds of hidden code...totaly translates in my head to BEST PUNTER TO EVER PLAY THE GAME AT ANY LEVEL.

I'm noit the predicting type usually, .......mark me down for this one. No joke

BammBamm is my dog, Riley is my 4 yr old daughter, and THE Ohio state Buckeyes complete the three most sacred loves I cherish

AJBor41's picture

People are making Frank Epitropoulos stepping in as a punter option to be a worst-case scenario, now that Townsend is out, but the kid can boot the ball and is extremely athletic.  Frank was an OHSAA Division I All-State punter.  Give him the offseason to work on his drops, form and consistency, and he could certainly be a solid option for a rare OSU 2013 punt.  He averaged right around 40 yards in HS, when he was clearly more focused on being a DB and WR. 

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Johnny Townsend @johnnytownsend1
 
S/o to the real #BuckeyeNation you all are the best fans and I hope my decision is respected and understood. #gogators
4:55 AM - 08 Feb 13

osubuckeye4life's picture

It is a shame we lost him since he was pretty much the best punter in the nation. However, I wish Johnny the best of luck at Florida. 
 
Alex retweeted something someone mentioned about 2013 Tenn walk-on kicker Andrew Gantz (Centerville, OH) becoming a walk-on for tOSU and he will try out for punter.