Buckeyes Fall to Michigan in Overtime

By Kyle Rowland on February 5, 2013 at 11:25p
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ANN ARBOR, Mich. – Round 2 goes to Trey Burke.

In college basketball’s game of the year, it was Burke who made the big defensive stop. And he did it against his arch nemesis, Aaron Craft.

Burke committed an untimely turnover in the closing seconds of overtime. But seconds later he got his redemption by blocking Craft’s shot from behind with 10 seconds left. After Glenn Robinson III missed a free throw, Craft raced down court, but this time Tim Hardaway Jr. was there to deny him as time expired, giving Michigan a 76-74 win.

“I jumped out and tried to swipe it,” said Burke, about turning the ball over. “I ran like my life depended on it. I was somehow, someway going to get the ball back. My mindset was just to get a stop.”

Said Hardaway: “It was just trying to will our way to victory. It was the will to win.”

The final play was not without controversy, though. There was contact between Craft and Hardaway, and it left Craft and Ohio State head coach Thad Matta wanting a foul to be called. Even Hardaway said he was surprised there was no call.

“I saw the ball in my face, so I just tried to wrap it up,” Hardaway said. “Probably got his arm or something like that, but like I said, it’s up to the refs to call that call, and they let it go.”

“It is what it is,” Matta said.

“I thought I (got fouled). I didn’t get the call,” Craft said. “I got to the rim, got a layup. You can look back and think of five different things I could have done. In the moment, I’m happy with what I did. We didn’t get it. Gotta move on.”

Ohio State played by far its best game of the season – and it still wasn’t enough. The Buckeyes shot 51.7 percent from the field, including a 59.3 percent showing in the second half. They also made 7 of 16 three-point attempts on the night.

Ohio State’s offense operated at an efficiency level that hasn’t been seen all season. At one point in the second half, the Buckeyes scored on 10 straight possessions. All eight players in the box score tallied points, including LaQuinton Ross, who finished 7-of-10 shooting for 16 points. In the first game against Michigan, Ross played three minutes.

It was a far cry from what the Buckeyes looked like in their last road contest against a ranked opponent, when they fell to Illinois by 19 points.

“I saw some heart. We fought,” Thomas said. “We’re a good team. We showed some stuff I haven’t seen in a long time. All we have to do is keep getting better and better. We just need to get that extra edge and carry it with us. We can play with any team.

“I saw a lot of growth. Compared to the Illinois game to now, there’s a big difference. We grew up. We keep growing each and every day in practice.”

Thomas led 10th-ranked Ohio State with 17 points, but he did so on 15 shots. He mysteriously never touched the ball in overtime.

“I don’t think it was frustrating,” Thomas said. “I learned you have to calm down and do other things in the game of basketball, not just getting touches.”

The Buckeyes fall to 7-3 in the Big Ten, with No. 1 Indiana visiting Columbus on Sunday. Michigan, ranked third, now has a one-game lead on the Buckeyes at 8-2. The Hoosiers are 8-1.

Michigan matched Ohio State’s intensity, giving the rambunctious Crisler Center the feel of a regional final. The Wolverines jumped out to a 10-point first-half lead thanks to a 12-0 run. But Ohio State, having experienced road blues already this season, stayed within itself and played steady the rest of the half, taking a one-point lead into the locker room.

The Buckeyes held an eight-point advantage with 13 minutes left in the game and still led by five with less than six minutes to play. But during the final 13 minutes, Hardaway did his best NBA Jam impersonation, hitting five straight 3s.

“That’s what Timmy is capable of doing,” Burke said. “He’s a high volume shooter. We just wanted to get him the ball.”

Unfortunately for Ohio State, the trend of 30-minute basketball continued Tuesday night.

“That’s been our Achilles heel, not being able to finish games whether they're close or not,” Craft said. “We did the same thing tonight.”

Michigan had a chance to win the game in regulation. In a scene reminiscent of Jan. 13 in Columbus, the ball was in Burke’s hands as the clock wound down.

Said Burke: “Craft came over to me and said, ‘Doesn’t this seem like déjà vu from a couple weeks ago?’ I said, 'yeah.'”

Once again, a three-pointer clanged off the rim – Michigan’s only miss from long range during the second half. Instead of a loss, though, it just signaled overtime.

“You can’t dwell on one play or you’ll continue to mess up on offense or defense,” Burke said. “We had new life. There were five minutes left and it was tied. We were at home, so I thought our chances were good.”

The extra session gave way to tired legs on both ends of the court. After each team played so beautifully for 40 minutes, they combined to make two of 12 shots from the field in overtime. Ohio State didn’t even get on the board until less than a minute remained. The final difference was one three-pointer and one free throw from Michigan.

Hardaway led the Wolverines with 23 points, and Burke finished with 16 points and eight assists.

“The plays they made were tremendous plays,” Matta said. “We needed something to kind of make our own luck there down the stretch. This league is about getting knocked down and getting back up again.”

There is little choice for Ohio State, with a second-half Big Ten slate that features the upper-half almost exclusively. Why not start off with the top-ranked team in the country?

First, though, there will be a long night that’s short on sleep and heavy on what-ifs.

“It’s very unfortunate that there had to be a winner and loser,” Craft said.

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njclebuckeye5's picture

Had to watch the game with 5 *ichigan fans. Torture.
I don't get why Thomas didn't take the ball the length of the floor instead of letting Craft take it. I love Craft, but he should not be taking the last shot twice.

Lobs it to the endzone... Touchdown Devin Smith!!

BigRedBuckeye's picture

Is Matta the worst end-of-game coach or is it just me?

And we'll drink to old Ohio, 'Til we wobble in our shoes! 

TLB's picture

Chris Jent's NBA plays don't work when teams play defense.

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Matta loses his mind during halftime. The guy has lost so many games in the second half of ball games

Chris Lauderback's picture

Matta is now 201-24 when leading at the half during his tenure at Ohio State. 

William's picture

Facts don't mean anything to the Matta haters. Never mind that his colleagues and NBA coaches consider him one of the Top 5-10 college coaches in the US. 

AndyVance's picture

Matta's downfall is failing to win against quality opponents at an elite level. In his first eight seasons at Ohio State he was only .571 against teams in the RPI Top 50 and a shocking .457 versus the Top 25.

William's picture

So he has a winning record agains the RPI Top 50. His record against the Top 25 is not great by any means, but you didn't provide a year-by-year analysis, and I have a feeling that the beginning of his tenure at OSU was frontloaded with losses to Top 25 teams in comparison to now, and that really would make a difference considering that he walked into the trainwreck known as Ohio State basketball (thanks O'Brien). 

AndyVance's picture

The reason you don't cherry-pick data points in looking at the stats is precisely that: individual circumstances may affect the outcome of any one game or season, but overall trends are what matters.
Read the post I linked - I compared a set of elite coaches over the same eight-season period, and Matta's big game numbers were not great by comparison.
That said, you should also read my original post on the subject in which I essentially argue that Matta is probably eclipsing Fred Taylor - at least on paper - as we speak (God it hurt me to write that).

William's picture

That's all well and dandy but your analysis didn't account for the circumstance that Matta walked into, or his progression as OSU's coach. There's more to an overall career record than just wins. That's why I said a season-by-season analysis would be a better portrayal of Matta's ability as a coach. That's not cherry-picking, that's better analysis. Realistically it would be fair to compare his stats to Krzyzewski's, not Self's or Williams's, as only Krzyzewski walked into a similar situation as Matta, as Duke really wasn't much of a basketball school, just like OSU. Of course I'm aware that Matta's stats then wouldn't much up to Krzyzewski's as he's one of the greatest coaches in CBB history.

AndyVance's picture

Actually, I did compare Matta to Coach K during his first eight years in my original analysis.
I'll go back and do a season-by-season analysis of the numbers later (hey, it's National Signing Day, after all), but I did do a comparison on W-L records and NCAA tourney placements here, comparing Matta with Coach K, Bobby Knight, Dean Smith and John Wooden, all during their first eight seasons at their respective schools. Short story: Matta compared favorably in overall wins and tournament stats, but I didn't have the "big game" data handy, especially for the seasons more than a decade ago.
I'll try to find the comparable Top 25/RPI data for Coach K's first eight seasons, though, and continue using that as the benchmark for these discussions.

VHX7's picture

It seems like we're always in disarray offensively at the end of close games.

penult's picture

That can happen when a team only has one scorer. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

Yeah, Thomas is OSU's best scoring threat, but he only had 17 of OSU's 74 points. Other guys stepped up tonight.

johnblairgobucks's picture

Matta represents OSU very well, and OSU has gotten better as the year has gone on.  about 7 weeks to the NCAA tournament and OSU is improving.

TLB's picture

encouraging. disappointing. now I can't sleep.

Dublin68's picture

Craft bad playing in overtime give this game to UM...we played better than them...where they will be without the 3 pointer

buckeyedude's picture

Without Craft, OSU isn't in this game. Vitale said, "Craft should be the Defensive Player of the Year, BABY!"

 
 

AndyVance's picture

And he is correct about that... However, Craft should not have been our sole attempt at winning the game in overtime. If you were going to ride one horse to the finish, Thomas or Q would have been wise choices. Craft is the man, he was just trying to do too much at the close.

buckeyedude's picture

I agree about Craft. But I think people shouldn't be too upset. This team is WAAAAAAAAAY improved from early in the season. I like our chances in the B1G tourney, and may even go. Where is it this year? Indy? Chicago?

 
 

CALPOPPY's picture

In Chicago. I'm going with my Dad and brother.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

RedQueenRace's picture

So the turnovers by Lenzelle on back-to-back possessions weren't a factor?

Notor's picture

Man... last 2 possessions, only Craft touches the ball. We have better scorers. Wow can't believe it ended like that. He was clearly fouled, but don't put the game in the hands of the refs.

Haybucks's picture

Timmy agrees with you too.
"I saw the ball in my face, so I just tried to wrap it up," Hardaway said. "Probably got his arm or something like that, but like I said, it's up to the refs to call that call, and they let it go."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20130...

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
 

ODEEZ330's picture

Robbed in a terrible no call. That was bs. I'm an ohsaa official and you gotta call that

O'Deez330
stark county football

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Im not upset. We clearly got hosed by excellent 3-point shooting and terrible non-calls down the stretch.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Lincoln's picture

That was an amazing basketball game. Still a loss, no moral victories, but we can make final 4 with this effort and less bending over by refs. 

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Right on all accounts. Hopefully they gain some motivation out of this win.

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Hopefully this gives them motivation going into the game against the Loosiers. I am sick and tired of how great they are here in Indy. 

phxbuck's picture

How does Craft not call a timeout there?
 

ih8rolltyde's picture

+1

Gotta run it up, get a t.o. with roughly 5 seconds, dbl screen for Deshaun, and whatever happens, happens.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

BuckeyeChief's picture

I am tired of the don't put the game in the hands of the refs mentality; why are they there? 2 straight no calls against Craft? Come on, all hands on the second to last possesion, and he was rode and mugged on the last. I am not blaming Matta or Craft for this loss.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

That was a foul. However, Craft also got a 3 after the shot clock expired and hit GR3 in the face in what would've been called a flagrant if it had happened in a different situation. Really, at the end of the game, all you can hope for is an even distribution of bad calls against both teams.
Both fanbases are bitching about the refs after this one.

buckeyedude's picture

Even though I didn't like the outcome, obviously, that was one of the best regular season games I've seen in a while. I wish I would have went. I went to the game last year in A2.

 
 

20sider's picture

Whole heartedly agree. That was was one of the best played and most competitive games I can recall in recent years. We can complain all we want about refs, but if we defend that 3-ball a bit better UM is not as close at the end. The Bucks were pulling away with good stops and solid offense (not perfect but solid). Those were clutch shots by Hardaway. He saved their bacon, IMO.

GO BUCKS!

hodge's picture

Completely agree, mate. Bottom line is that both teams played an epic game; can't wait to (hopefully) see the series resolved on the hardwood in the B1G Tournament. 

Chief B1G Dump's picture

Very rarely will I concede it in a loss but that was a hell of a game. I could watch Craft and Burke go at eachother all day. Phenomenal match up. Also thought Q Ross played big. Encouraging to see his new tude and effort.
Not going to say a word about refs because we got some gift early...it evened out in the end in my opinion.
Would love to see this match up in the B1G tourney.

RedQueenRace's picture

Other than a few key moments, obviously including the end of the game, this performance in a hostile environment is very encouraging.  If they can put more games like this together I like their chances in the tournament a lot more, as long as they don't run into a team that shoots 60%+ on 20+ threes.

CALPOPPY's picture

I can live with this loss. Amir and Q stepped up and we fought back from being down early and never let them get away. Every time that Hardaway hit a 3, we'd bang back down. A loss sucks, but I think they're a better team because of it.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

jkrk's picture

Agree 100%. I still love football more, but I love basketball because you can afford to lose and just need to be hot at the end. So many positives coming out of this loss.

jkrk's picture

If Amir can ever get it together for 40 mins . . . look out yallz.

ktownbuckeye20's picture

hacked on the lay up, fouled on the shot. Im glad Craft did his best Shazier impression at the end.

buckeyedude's picture

I think the no-call foul at the end on Craft was pay-backs(from the refs perspective, that is) for Craft taking Robsinon's head out. I think it was Robinson?

 
 

OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

It was Robinson. I think it was make-up for the shot clock 3, though.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Yeah the outcome sucks a fat lefty, but did you guys even expect to take the supposed #3 ranked team in the country to OT on their own court? OSU played a solid game. UM in my opinion got extremely lucky in this game. I'm not convinced they are as good as everyone thinks they are. 
Also, I don't typically gripe about refs, and I understand biting the whistle on a last possession is normal, but when a guy is so blatantly fouled like Craft was on his last shot attempt, YOU HAVE TO BLOW YOUR FRICKIN WHISTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

ATLBuckeye09's picture

Hell yeah you have to call that foul! aacc is not as good as they are ranked. They are a 7-12 ranking in my opinion. They still have little as far as an inside game and they are not strong enough on the boards. Sparty will wipe the boards up with their lame inside game.

Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987

ATLBuckeye09's picture

Craft should have called a TO. But he was mugged! aacc had so many NO CALLS on them especially in the 2nd half it wasn't even funny. But we should have never been in that situation. We should have shut down Hardaway when he started going off.

Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987

buckeye4life050233's picture

matta's teams never shut someone down once they get hot.....he instead just lets them keep shooting.....which is why so many teams against us have had a guy score 38 or 37 or 28 so often on us

ATLBuckeye09's picture

Good point man. It is one of my biggest problems with Matta. He's not a great game coach. He can recruit with the best of them and he is very strong at preparing the team for a game but he always seems to get outcoached in big games like this tonight. He just doesn't make good adjustments.

Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987

buckeyenut10's picture

I'm sorry, what? Do you watch College basketball? RIII was having one of those nights where he was making 3's over DOUBLE TEAMS WITH A HAND IN HIS FACE. Lenzelle Smith should have been called for SO many fouls down the stretch with how hard he was riding RIII. You can get pissy about the loss all you want, but saying Matta's team can't shut down someone? That has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. Especially in college, there are certain people in certain games that you cannot, under any circumstances, shut down. We've had our fair share of those players in the past few seasons as well (Diebler at Penn State anyone?). Why you heff to be mad?

BuckeyeCrew's picture

Of all the whiny, armchair coach comments in this thread, this has got to be the worst!
Hardaway was absolutely on-fire, and his production from the 3-point line was not enhanced in any way by a lack of OSUs defense. It WAS enhanced by picks, and his movement off the ball. 
Seriously, as I read this thread, the entitlement and stupidity of so many here, are off the frigging charts.  It's as if most of you have never played a sport at a competitive level, to know the ebbs and flows of a game.  (And no, sorry, but IM sports at Ohio State doesn't count. So kindly stuff-it)
 
As for Craft taking the shot at the end? I have NO problem with it.  Bar a fantastic defensive effort (which he could not see coming from behind, as he pulled up to shoot), he would have gotten that shot off, and perhaps made it.  You all can cry about how he should have passed the ball, but hindsight is not the same as clairvoyance in the moment, and there is no guarantee anyone else would have made it, either.  Besides, it took Craft being hacked, to stop him.  Remember that, before any of you b*&^% about how he should have passed.

buckeye4life050233's picture

it's funny how we have hands in their face on 3 pointers and they can't miss and then saturday against indiana they went stretches where they couldn't make any even wide open......that is their game and we gotta take away the 3pt line from the shooters and make mcgarry and horford beat us inside.....yet matta just seems to hope and pray they have bad shooting nights which no team does against us

Buckifan4Life's picture

Yeah, Vitale said that OSU plays excellent perimeter defense. No,... They play SUCKY perimeter defense. He hasn't watched many OSU games obviously.

Haybucks's picture

The same happened when Wiscy came to C-bus, shooting lights out after missing the side of the barn against Minnesota.  It would be nice to see the Hoosiers clank the iron to make up for all these 3's.

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
 

3cent's picture

Craft sucked in OT. Turnovers and taking shots.

buckeyedude's picture

Haven't been able to watch many games this year, but damn, these Buckeyes are way improved from the beginning of the year!
Proud of the way the Buckeyes battled in this game!
Craft got hacked at the end of the game. No call. Even Vitale said Craft was hammered. I think the officials just wanted to get it over with. Pricks.
Oh well. That game was good preparation for Indiana on Sunday.

 
 

AndyVance's picture

Didn't watch the first half but thought the Buckeyes looked solid in the second... on the other hand, the overtime was a huge embarrassing failure on almost every level. Craft running around the floor and waiting for a foul call on missed shots is not an offensive strategy. It's just offensive.

Buckifan4Life's picture

Wow! I didn't know you could get mugged like that without someone having the guts to blow the whistle. Hardaway hacked Craft on the last play, but OSU blew so many chances to win that game, I can't put it on the refs. A collective poor effort down the stretch. This team will break your heart if you let 'em.

Torpedo Vegas's picture

Love Craft's defense, but he needs to save the Lebron on offense impression for the gym.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Fuck Michigan. Plain and simple. Added a damn poor remote to the graveyard tonight. That call on craft instead of going the other way and that no call at the end.....::deep breath:: as long as we take the experience into Sunday and play pissed I'll be happy. Otherwise we gain no character from this loss

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

KBonay's picture

Little bit of contact.....

ATLBuckeye09's picture

No doubt about it!

Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987

M Man's picture

Definitely a bad call.
You got a screen-capture of Craft's 3 at the end of the first half?

KBonay's picture

The OT screwed up my DVR, so it won't go back that far.  Just sucks when a game ends on a call/no call when it was obviously such a tight game.  I, for one, think Craft got lucky with the no-call on the intentional.

Kurt's picture

Everyone's pointing to that free three pointer...but there was another incorrect foul on Craft when he stole the ball (forget from whom) and would've put in an easy layup but was incorrectly called for a hold.  At that moment I thought, ok, that's fine, we got that three now they stole a foul and 2 from us.

M Man's picture

I think it was Hardaway.  And that one was very much the right call.  Craft grabbed his forearm while going for the ball.

andyb's picture

Nuh Uhh!!  Lebron even said so!! (sticks tongue out) 

buckeyedude's picture

He also was fouled on the dribble before he even took the shot,  by Burke. Wish I could get a pic of that, but I'm not that good.

 
 

hodge's picture

What a game. I'm not even all that upset, since it shows that we're more than just Tank's team. Can't wait to play those pesky little Wolverines in the B1G championship, I'm sure Poppa Thad will be dying to avenge only his fifth loss at their hands. 
I really want to see Staukas and Hardaway play Smith and Ross in beer pong. That would be the stuff of legends. 

andyb's picture

Speaking of...where the hell did he go in the second half??

M Man's picture

Wow what a great game.
Terrific game by Aaron Craft, and I had thought that it was a good no-call on the last play but on replay it looks like one that was missed.  I am glad that they didn't call the flagrant on Craft's foul of GRIII; that one was a good non-call.
I'd like to see these two teams meet in Chicago.  Amazing effort on the road by the Buckeyes.

ATLBuckeye09's picture

Was a great game. No doubt that was a BS NO CALL! That call has to be made. If it is he hits the free throws and we're in a 2nd OT to decide the game. Even if he misses them then you know as a ref you didn't blow the call. The ref's blew that call and a few others with No calls. But congrats to your team tonight. I think we will play a 3rd time.

Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987

buckeyedude's picture

Craft is a pretty good free throw shooter, ATL Buckeye. If he goes to the line, he likely sinks them.

 
 

johnblairgobucks's picture

LOL.  M Man it was a fantastic game with a poor ending.
 
 

BammBammRiley's picture

Agreed 100%!!! I'd up-vote you if I could for your never-ending honest un-biased takes... even though we're all clearly biased here. Respectful sportsmanship makes even the most hateful rivalries that much more enjoyable.

BammBamm is my dog, Riley is my 4 yr old daughter, and THE Ohio state Buckeyes complete the three most sacred loves I cherish

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Maybe the leading scorer in the conference can get a shot at some point in the 5 minutes of overtime? 
Our record against the elite in clutch situations takes another hit, after a stretch where I was beginning to wonder if I was too quick to write these guys off as a March threat.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

RedStorm45's picture

Their record against top 25 competition can't be argued.  Bad.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I'm predicting UM loses their next 2 games. 

buckeye4life050233's picture

sweet 16 team at best right now maybe an elite 8 team but definately not final 4 caliber.....down the stretch thomas should touch the ball just about every time and force a double team to get a wide open shot for someone else or if the double doesn't come then i want him taking the shot....the possesion where burke blocks crafts shot and lead to grIII free throw, we were down 1....that should have been a thomas shot or at least run more offense off of the out of bounds play but you can't get your shot blocked in that situation

buckeyedude's picture

sweet 16 team at best right now maybe an elite 8 team but definately not final 4 caliber....

I'll take that bet.
Not saying these Buckeyes will definitely make it to the Final 4, but after watching the game tonight, and watching a couple early in the season, they are very, very much improved.

 
 

Poison nuts's picture

I'll stake you in that bet...agreed 100% That was not the same team from some of the earlier losses this year.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

buckeyedude's picture

I'm not missing any more Buckeye basketball game the rest of the year.

 
 

RedStorm45's picture

Here's a genius idea...get tank at least a touch in OT!!!! Christ.
 
Our plays out of timeouts in the 2nd half and OT were pathetic.  Just awful.

William's picture

Maybe if Thomas would move out of the corner he'd get a touch..

RedStorm45's picture

Maybe they don't have any set plays for him...It looks like their "go to" strategy is have Craft dribble around for 20 seconds, throw him a high ball screen and chuck up a prayer.

dubjayfootball90's picture

Great game. Absolutely great game. The competition in the B1G is second to none. Great conference to be in and this game just solidified how close every team actually is to one another and how tough it is to win in this conference. Good game bucks. Keep your heads up and whoop on Indiana!!!

RedStorm45's picture

Let them play?  OSU got called on ticky tack fouls for a few minutes in the 2nd half.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Only 20 total fouls in 45 minutes. I don't think that's too bad for a B1G game that hotly contested. 

RedStorm45's picture

My point was that yes, they did let them play, but some of the 2nd half fouls on OSU were barely-there hand checks.  Normally fouls, yes, but in the course of this game they weren't being called at the other end.  Hence the 9-5 foul advantage into OT for scUM.

William's picture

Are people seriosuly bitching about Matta and Craft? Yes Craft wasn't great in OT, but dear lord folks OSU took Michigan into OT on their homecourt when they were making it rain from three. And for those complaining about Thomas not getting any looks, it would help if he didn't just sit in the corner half of the time waiting for the ball, he can be pretty damn lazy at times. It sucks losing to Michigan, but none of that loss can be blamed on Matta, and can only be partially placed on Craft. I get it that some people need a scapegoat, but sometimes isn't it possible to just accept the fact that the other team played really damn good basketball too? And don't complain about the non-call at the end when Craft got away with what should've been a game-ending flagrant. 

Kurt's picture

Mostly agree.  Also about DT.  Perhaps though Matta and staff need to get him motivated to move around a little.  We've definitely seen many occasions where the offense becomes stagnant from lack of movement.  Anyway..otherwise agree.

okiebuck's picture

Spot on William!

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

acBuckeye's picture

Matta should take a large amount of blame for not figuring out how to stop a red-hot shooter. Add Hardaway to the list of Moore, Taylor and Paul.... aka guys that catch fire and Matta has no f**king idea how to slow them down. Notice a trend?? You learn that kind of stuff in grade school basketball. Switch; double team; DO SOMETHING!!!!

RedStorm45's picture

Yep, we continued to go under every damn screen set for Hardaway and he drained like 3 or 4 in a row because he had 5 feet of space in front of him.  The defensive strategy on him didn't change.

Clmm297's picture

How do you know Matta didn't devise a plan to stop him and the players simply failed to execute that plan?  It's not always bad coaching when we lose and great play when we win....

AndyVance's picture

That is true... however, there have been more than a few times (not just in this situation) when it appeared like the team was confused, or without a guiding strategy... coaching is the constant, in other words.

Clmm297's picture

Agreed, but my point is always that I have doubts that anyone posting on this sight is in the huddle during games or participating in practices.  Therefore, assuming it's Matta's failure is simply unfair.  I've simply suggested that we, myself included, don't know what is/is not being communicated to the guys on the floor.  The criticism also never appears after victories...why is that?  Could it be because coaching is consistent and the talent level and execution are not?  It seems our coach gets far too much blame for losses, and not nearly enough credit for victories.

AndyVance's picture

Well... I'm one of the few that is an equal opportunity criticizer, I suppose, because I tend to see what I perceive to be flaws during the wins and the victories... I've done the statistical analysis of comparing Coach Matta to other great coaches in the league today and in years past, and in general he's as good as they come... That said, his weakness is in playing Top 25 teams, as we've seen this year, and has been true over his first eight seasons (according to the numbers, I'm saying), so given the number of guys he's rotated through in nine years, I'm saying that a fair bit of that is coaching, rather than talent. Execution, by the way, is part of coaching, too, as we saw during the Buckeyes' undefeated football season: the first half of the year, execution was not great in many areas of the game, but by the end of the season execution was vastly improved. So, you make a good point in part, but the premise of your argument isn't 100% on the mark.

Clmm297's picture

Big fan of your analysis and agree with your assessments for the most part.  Look back at my comments from your Blog Posts in response to BadDogMaine's ridiculous posts and you will see that is true.  I'm not sure of the answer to this question, maybe you can find the answer....in regards to the record against the top 25, how many of those losses have come against B1G teams on the road?  I think that is a very important question given the competitive nature of the B1G and the difficulty all teams face in winning on the road in conference.  Evaluating that against Matta's record against top 25 non-conference opponents is probably a better indication of his ability to succeed against upper echelon opponents.  At the end of the day, I think we agree that OSU men's basketball is at a point never seen in history.  That is true because of Matta's recruiting and coaching prowess.  I  will always choose to be thankful for what he is and what he has brought to the program, as opposed to lament all his shortcomings and failures.

okiebuck's picture

Shoulda, woulda, coulda, great game and effort by our Buckeyes; career game by Meechigan shooting the trey ball; they will never do that again; I sure hope we get them in the B1G tourney. Our guys can play with anyone; how many of you Debbie Downers and Negitive Nancys' thought we would get blown out....???  Not this Buckeye; keep the faith guys.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

johnblairgobucks's picture

Happy OSU is playing Indiana in Columbus next, instead of Bloomington.  Zebras in Assembly Hall are the worsrt of the breed.  A little home cooking and more improvement from the Buckeyes is in order.
 

Jim's picture

Michigan fan here...overall great game.  Craft's 3-point shot after time expired, should Craft's foul have given Michigan possession, was Craft fouled on the last play, foul on Burke that wasn't.
Just life in the B1G.
Enjoy Indiana.

scc8t's picture

Great game. Disappointing outcome. This team is starting to finally come together. I'm excited for March especially with Amir and Ross starting to play well. Sometimes you get more out of a loss than a win. Here is to winning 6 games in march.

Dublin68's picture

The loss drops Ohio State to 17-4 overall and 7-3 in the B1G and ends their four-game winning streak.
 
17-5 overall please correct

Chris Lauderback's picture

whoops. fixed. thanks.

btalbert25's picture

I have a couple thoughts on the game.  I was impressed by Amir.  I really think that kid is going to end up being a nice center for the Bucks.  He had a couple really good power moves down low that ended in dunks. Ross made a couple nice plays too.  The play where he got his own rebound then made a basket was great. 
Craft is amazing, but on offense he gets carried away sometimes and hurts the team.  That aggression is great on D, but on offense it hurts the team.  He made some bad shots and turnovers down the stretch in regulation and bad plays in OT.  I almost would rather have Scott handling the ball.  I'm not knocking Craft too bad, but that's been my one issue with him a lot this year.  He looked horrible in the Duke game this year and made a lot of costly mistakes. 

William's picture

Agreed. Although don't defend Craft too much, you wouldn't want the mob to downvote you into oblivion. 

buckeyedude's picture

I got Craft's back....with finger on the trigger, William.

 
 

Mikefletcher24's picture

It's a shit sandwich and we all gotta take a bite...

William's picture

Time for Indiana folks. The Schott is going to be loud as Hell this weekend, and my inebriated self will be doing my best in the student section to contribute. 

Knarcisi's picture

Beilein better watch the disrespect. Ohio, from the MAC, bet SCum in the NCAA last year. Ohio State blew you out in the B10 tourney and essentially owns your ass the last 10 years. 

Poison nuts's picture

I liked the game, liked what I saw. It's well known how hard it is to win on the road in this conference...That team just came off a loss, playing at home to their arch rival, were ready to go, & still needed overtime & help from refs... OSU Bball is going to be fine...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

okiebuck's picture

I guess he thinks 4 wins out of 21 is reason to celebrate; lol.  him and Brady Choke = LOSERS!!

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

Knarcisi's picture

This just in .... Brady, you are still fat and Denard, you are the only 2 time September Heisman winner in Michigan history n

buckeyedude's picture

Well, if you don't count John Navarre.

 
 

TheShookster's picture

sucks to lose but it was a good game. jordan taylor, e'twaan moore, brandon paul, tim hardaway jr....who's next to go off on us? i played some mean bball in junior high but can anyone explain to me why when someone gets hot we cannot even come close to stopping them?

William's picture

Look at the guys you just named. It's not like scrubs are going off on OSU...

TheShookster's picture

that's true, but it's still frustating. haha

Knarcisi's picture

I agree with him. Summers from MSU, Hummel and Byrdbfrom Purdue. I could research more. Perimeter D has been an issue in the Matta era. We seem to have trouble getting through or switching on the high ball screens. 

William's picture

Huh? OSU has one of the best perimeter defenses in the country...

Knarcisi's picture

We have one if the best overall defenses no doubt, but the history and numbers don't lie. Every year, we have 2-3 guys run 6+ 3s on us. All those names are accurate and there are more. We were lucky OT was close. Hardaway got at least 2 more wide open looks after that assault. 

acBuckeye's picture

The perimeter D is great at slowing dribble penetration. However, we suck at finding and identifying hot shooters. It's a Thad trend that's been going on for a few years now. It makes no sense either.

okiebuck's picture

I repeat; they will NEVER have a three point shooting performance like the did tonight; sometimes you just have to tip your hat and watch them wipe the crap off of it.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

BuckNutInAnnArbor's picture

Was at the game with 6 *ichigan fans and another Bucks fan. Very entertaining game, but I think both team exploited eachother's holes and I'm a bit concerned for how the Bucks will look in the NCAA tourney :/  They need a real second scoring threat and Craft's scoring ability is very limited right now.
on a side note, the renovation done at Cristler makes the whole place much more appealing. I've caught the OSU B-Ball game in Ann Arbor (where I live) the last 4 years and this year was the first year where the fans actually showed up and there wasn't an empty seat in the house.

"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody."  - Mark Titus

Tommy's picture

I'd like to see Thompson be the guy that gets put on a hot shooter from now on.  Scott and Smith were on Hardaway I believe during that run he had from 3.  Both good to great defenders, but neither has the length of Thompson that could really disrupt a shooter.  Gotta make him put the ball on the floor and disrupt the rhythm.

Tommy's picture

A compliment for Matta:  I really liked the way the minutes were dispersed today.  

Knarcisi's picture

To hell with SCum. Can we just take the easy route and start another Brady Hoke is fat and stupid thread?

Jim's picture

scUM=super coach Urban Meyer

buckeyedude's picture

Ha Ha Ha Ha!!
Sums up my thoughts, exactly!

 
 

nw_ohio_Buckeye's picture

Absolutely f*cking classic....trying not to wake up the whole house laughing my ass off! Watching for about the fifth time. Needed that. Thanks.

"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Who ever heard of a mellow winner?" ~ Woody Hayes 

buckeyedude's picture

Same here. LMAO. Bobby Knight rants never get old.
Here's a link(still can't embed video) of Bobby's most famous halftime rant, chipmunked. Don't laugh too loud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brbtyfNnGOM
I haven't laughed that hard in...forever. "I'm sick and fucking tired of an 8-5 record! I'm sick and fucking tired of losing to Purdue!" Bobby Knight.

 
 

AndyVance's picture

Reminds me of this classic rant from Bill O'Reilly from back in his Hard Copy days before he was with FNC:

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Typical home cooking from the officials up in Ann Arbor.  It's back to that same crap of not making a call because it's the end of the game.  You want to let the players decide the game at the end as much as possible, but that's not a license to be able to commit fouls to try and get the win.  You still have to call the fouls if they occur, and the refs let one go at the end that should have been called.
I had a feeling the game would go worse than what it did.  Overall it was a pretty good showing against the so-called #3 team.  I have a funny feeling these two will meet in the B1G tourney yet again, and of course OSU will knock them out of it just like they always do.

Class of 2010.

hops's picture

Please stop complaining about the refs. No, the Burke block on the second-to-last play was not a foul. Yes, there was contact on the last Craft drive, but his foul on Robinson was a crystal clear Flagrant 1. The refs obviously decided to let the players decide the game, and therefore didn't call a foul on the last play. It was a great game. Someone had to lose.
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ArizonaBuckeye's picture

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

BuckeyeFreak4844's picture

Here is my two cents and it may be repeated because i did not read all 125 comments.  I thought they played extremly well on the road.  I thought the players that we all have been wanting to see more out of stepped up and played great.  You can take a way a ton of positive things from last night.  Nothing you can do about some of those threes they were drilling they were hot at home.  Overtime i was disappointed with all of the turnovers and lack of execution on the offensive end.  They finally started to brick some shots and we didnt capitalize.  All in all a really great game to watch and a good sign to me for the tournament.

Michigan Sucks!

AJBor41's picture

No complaints from me about the game (other than TH Jr. obviously having NBA Jam cheat codes...I expected him to win the game on a full-court, underhand shot).  It didn't end as I'd hoped, but I'm not against Craft pushing the ball in either case.  He had an open look with 10 seconds left and went to the hoop aggressively at the end.  The team obviously grew as a unit and looked much more like a contender last night than I'd seen all year.  Now let's finish out the remaining schedule 6-2 or 7-1 and earn a nice, high seed.

acBuckeye's picture

Due to my work schedule, I got about 4 hours of sleep after watching that game last night, so I was doubly pissed that we lost. I'm still pissed right now, and people will get the msg. quickly at work today to leave me alone.
I won't take the time to read all the comments, but here's my end of it:
1) As great as he has been, and I still love him as our coach, Thad Matta still fails to get his teams to deliver down the stretch against very good teams. There have been exceptions, but more often than not, the rule has been that Thad coached OSU teams will fail to execute on offense in crunch time. This brings me to my next point.....
2) Craft was amazing in this game...... BUT WHAT THE F*CK IS HE DOING TAKING THE LAST TWO SHOTS!!?? I guess he and Matta forgot that the league's best scorer was wearing scarlet last night. It was very reminiscent of Craft trying to take over unnecessarily against Kansas in the Final Four. It's becoming apparent that he panics late in close games with the ball in his hands.
3) Another common theme the last few years: Letting the other team's best shooter get red hot, and not having the common sense to adjust your defense accordingly. It happened against Wisonsin a couple years ago with Jordan Taylor going off. Then again last year with Brandon Paul of Illinois. I also think Etwaun Moore of Purdue lit us up once as well. Then of course last night. (5 3's in a row?? Seriously??!) I don't understand why we don't make adjustments when someone gets hot from the perimeter.
4) People can b**ch all they want about the refs, but the bottom line is that they were letting both teams play all night, and missed blatant calls on both sides. Craft's shot-clock 3 shouldn't have counted, and Ravs should've been called for basket interference in the first half on a bucket. So stop pissing about it.
5) What makes this game harder to get over was the fact of how well Ross played, and how many times we answered on the offensive end, when normally, scUM would've probably put a run together and blown a team out. Amir finally grew some nuts and battled down low, although he lost his guy WAY too many times defensively. That McGary kid KILLED US.
6) Thompson and Lenzelle continue to be way too inconsistent.
I hope we grow from this loss, and I hope the next time we're in a tight game down the stretch against a good team, we finally EFFing execute.

Jack Fu's picture

Yeah, Amir just doesn't box out. He's a ball-watcher. And it's really driving me crazy.
You're probably right that McGary's contributions were the difference. You go into that game, on the road, figuring that Hardaway, Burke, and Stauskas are going to combine for about 50 points, give or take. Allowing McGary to come off the bench and get 14 of his own was a killer.

Jack Fu's picture

If you had told me before the game that Michigan was going to shoot 25 threes and make, like, all of them, I wouldn't have even watched the game. Best game of the season so far from the Bucks. Nothing to be ashamed of. Some days you eat the bear...

gobucks5413's picture

Basketball 101 for some people....with 7 seconds left, on a missed FT/chaos situation, you do not call a timeout and let the D get set. You push the ball and take advantage of the situation.
Also, why is it that Matta is getting killed for having an above average record against top 50 and close to 500 against top 25? Isn't that pretty darn good? Win the ones you are supposed to win, and grind out a few of the others? It amazes me that Matta is getting killed by some people for Hardaway going nuts. That was a well played, well coached game. We didnt do the usual, get the ball to Tank and let him shoot contested shots. We moved the ball, were prepared for the double team, and found the open man.
I know Craft isn't our bread and butter offensively, but at the end of the game, you want the ball in a winners hands, and i dare anyone to say that Craft is not a winner.
This team is getting SOOOO much better. We should've beaten the #3 team in the nation on their own floor, and they heated up at the wrong time. Hang tough...if Q and Amir play like they did last night...were gonna be a damn tough out.
 
GO BUCKS

BuckeyeCrew's picture

Thank the gods that someone here is sane.  I appreciate level-headed commentary, rather than the blind bat-sh*& crazy garbage that the amateur-hour "coaches" write here. Really?
 
For example, I like how a post above criticises Matta for not "adjusting" appropriately on D, when Hardaway was hitting 3-pointers from the moon. (Don't you love how neophytes/drooling idiots make general statements on how a coach should do something, without specifics, or even knowing what is going on during set plays?) Here is a clue.. the D was trying to adjust but Hardaway's movement combined with set screens were still allowing him to get free.  It was a matter of Meatchicken working to get him free.  Sometimes, that flow during a game is going to happen, even if you literally shackle Craft to said player, with an iron chain.  Okay?
And if you don't get what I am saying, your complaints are like my complaints in the 90s, when Michael Jordan would make the Cavs look like a team of drunks, over and over.  I would scream to the set (or my friends), "why can't -so and so- rotate over quick enough to cover him, before he releases his jumper? Why not double team? Why not BLAH BLAH ARMCHAIR COACH DRIVEL FRIGGING BLAH"  And the glaring answer is that, it's easier said than done, and has nothing to do with coaching, and much to do with the individual talent.

acBuckeye's picture

Since you seem to have all the answers, and everyone else is an idiot, figure this out Genius: Moore of Purdue, Paul of Illinois, Taylor of Wisky and now Hardaway have all had games against us where they get hot from deep, and Matta's strategy seems to be to hope those guys just shoot themselves cold. There are SEVERAL things you can do as a coach to slow down or even negate a player who catches on like that. How about a timeout?? Switch screens? Double-team? Face-guard? Press and trap?
I just rattled those thoughts off in 10 seconds. You're gonna sit there and tell me that Matta, who gets paid millions, can't think of those strategies as an "adjustment?" Maybe he does think of them, but refuses to implement them. If that's the case, then that's just ignorance.
It was difficult to see how our D was trying to adjust, as you said, when one or two simple screens were getting Hardaway WIDE OPEN LOOKS. It wasn't just one of those, "oh guys, he's on fire right now, we can't do anything about it...." B.S. Look, I love Matta and glad he's our coach, but he can be stubborn as hell sometimes.
And none of the guys mentioned above is even close to Michael Jordan, so please don't go there.
And lastly, think of responses like this, and respect other fans' thoughts before you go spouting off calling someone who has an opinion an idiot.

BuckeyeCrew's picture

"Since you seem to have all the answers, and everyone else is an idiot, figure this out Genius: Moore of Purdue, Paul of Illinois, Taylor of Wisky and now Hardaway have all had games against us where they get hot from deep, and Matta's strategy seems to be to hope those guys just shoot themselves cold. 
There are SEVERAL things you can do as a coach to slow down or even negate a player who catches on like that. How about a timeout?? Switch screens? Double-team? Face-guard? Press and trap?"

He has tried the first three options, to little avail.  As I said, Tim Hardaway Jr. was in a zone that players rarely get into.  If I remember correctly, he hit nothing but net on one of those threes, from beyond NBA range.  WTH do you do about that.. double team out there? Really?  Call a time out? For what?  Face-guarding is a basic strategy taught to every player on D, so I don’t think Matta calling a T.O. JUST to tell a player.. “Hey, faceguard, will ya?”, is fruitful.  Common sense should tell you these things, but apparently I have to dictate the common sense to your ilk.

I just rattled those thoughts off in 10 seconds.

Yeah, I can tell.

You're gonna sit there and tell me that Matta, who gets paid millions, can't think of those strategies as an "adjustment?" Maybe he does think of them, but refuses to implement them. If that's the case, then that's just ignorance.

Those aren’t “strategies”, per se; they are closer to “DUH FREAKING DUH” techniques that I am guessing Matta has reiterated to his team.  Strategy, for me at least, has more to do with situational matchups depending on what kind of offense/defense a team may be in.  As I said before, double-teaming and face-guarding is hardly rocket science, and the latter did not stop TH Jr., in the least.

It was difficult to see how our D was trying to adjust, as you said, when one or two simple screens were getting Hardaway WIDE OPEN LOOKS. It wasn't just one of those, "oh guys, he's on fire right now, we can't do anything about it...." B.S. Look, I love Matta and glad he's our coach, but he can be stubborn as hell sometimes.

Well, I am glad you are not one of those crazy-ass people who wants every successful coach we have at OSU fired, after a loss.  (E.g. Tressel haters who would rip him to shreds after losses to good teams)  As I stated above, Matta has tried at least three of your (very vanilla) strategies.  Sometimes, players have hot nights. 

And none of the guys mentioned above is even close to Michael Jordan, so please don't go there.

No kidding. I was referring to the futility of trying to implement your “strategies” against players in that kind of a zone.  (As if, you know, your aforementioned players couldn’t pass out of it, and have teammates get easy buckets. Because you know.. that didn’t happen AT ALL in any of those games <sarcasm>)  In case you need for me to be more explicit: I am not saying they are MJ, but players don’t have to be the best in history, to go off like that.  They just need the talent and the combination of intangibles to coalesce, and go ballistic on a given night.

And lastly, think of responses like this, and respect other fans' thoughts before you go spouting off calling someone who has an opinion an idiot.

Your response was lacking, although I am thankful it was cordial.  I am just one of those Buckeyes who is sick and tired of those who senselessly and/or visciously criticize with generalities that, upon further inspection, make said arguments specious. It's as if a good chunk of their self-worth is dependent upon the performance of Ohio State football and basketball teams.  (Not joking.. there be nutjobs here.. pun intended)

acBuckeye's picture

I guess we'll respectfully agree to disagree. To me, it's about a LOT more than some guy having a "hot night." It's happened too many times recently for that to be the sole answer to the issue. I'll still contend that I failed to see Matta's players defend a player like that ANY differently thoughtout the course of those games. Maybe that's my fault for not seeing it.
I guess I could ask this..... How often, in a roughly three year stretch, would a coach like Coach K, or Izzo, or Bill Self let one guy single-handedly win a game against his team?
My apologies for your common sense being above mine. I'm not worthy, oh wise one.
Like i said, Matta has been nothing but good for the program and the university, and i'll continue to pull for him for as long as he's here. As for Tressel..... I think higher of the man now than I did when he was the coach, and that's saying a lot b/c I loved him when he was here.