Thursday Skull Session

By Chris Lauderback on January 24, 2013 at 6:00a
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Another day, another episode of the NCAA's ongoing clown show. 

The latest segment came via President Mark Emmert's lips as he announced NCAA investigators had improperly obtained information as part of its investigation into the shenanigans allegedly going on within the Miami Hurricane football and basketball programs.

You've probably heard about it. It's the one where Nevin Shapiro, the mastermind of a gazillion dollar Ponzi scheme, was allegedly treating players to parties at strip clubs, his mansion, and on yachts, paying for the abortion of a player-impregnated stripper while supplying everything from cash to jewelry to prostitutes to plasma TVs to Heat tickets. 

Yesterday, Emmert announced the NCAA has halted the investigation due to the information-collection impropriety in which NCAA investigators hired Nevin Shapiro's defense attorney to share information useful to their case obtained through depositions associated with Shapiro's bankruptcy, even though those proceedings had nothing to do with the NCAA's investigation.

As a result, Emmert has hired outside counsel, seeking their assistance in determining what information was collected legitimately and what information will be thrown out. Once that process is complete, the NCAA will then move forward in hopes of finally delivering an official Notice of Allegations to the university. 

Of particular note is said to be information obtained improperly regarding Sean Allen, a former 'Cane equipment-room staffer who also moonlighted as an employee of Shapiro's recently formed sports agency. Some have already asserted throwing out information uncovered during the Allen deposition could be a big win for the Hurricanes but Emmert did try to put some duct tape on the situation:

Emmert said any evidence that is tossed out will not be revisited by investigators, but he stressed that only “small portions” of evidence were collected improperly.

“We’ll use the information that was collected appropriately,” he said. “My understanding is there is a great amount of evidence that has been compiled in this case.”

Added Emmert: “One of the questions that has to be answered is: What was the nature of that contractual arrangement [between our investigators and Perez]? What was all the activity that she was involved with? How did this individual engage in these activities on our behalf?” Asked if this could be viewed as a mistrial of sorts and work in Miami’s favor, Emmert said: “It’s premature to answer that question... This is a shocking affair.”

While it remains to be seen how this development helps the Hurricanes, there's no question it's another huge shiner for an organization that has taken more beatings than Glass Joe. And here's Dan Wetzel with his usual knockout blow

DUCK AND COVER. In the wake of Phlip Kelly leaving the Ducks for a shot at the highest level with the Eagles, potentially in part due to the NCAA's investigation into the football program's relationship with street agent Willie Lyles, the Oregon administration made an effort to show the NCAA just how gosh darn serious they are about compliance

Oregon's offensive coordinator, Mark Helfrich, was officially hired to replace Kelly as head coach and his five-year contract contains some interesting verbiage in an exhibit detailing what is expected:

The deal also has a lengthy exhibit laying out a 10-point set of responsibilities that Helfrich has in monitoring rules compliance and the terms of annual communication required to occur between Helfrich, the university president, the athletics director and the compliance director.

Obviously, all head coaching contracts have general verbiage about compliance but none of Kelly's three contracts with Oregon had any additional non-standard clauses and the ones included in Helfrich's deal are considered to be "extraordinary in scope and detail". A sampling:

  • Create written procedures "to ensure that the football staff, including assistant coaches, is monitoring the football program's rules compliance."
  • Assign football staff members to "monitor specific areas of compliance (e.g. recruiting contacts, initial eligibility, amateurism, telephone contacts)."
  • Regularly evaluate football staff members "to ensure their areas of compliance are monitored and that all responsibilities are executed in a timely manner."
  • Determine reporting lines to alert compliance staff of "issues involving prospective student-athletes and current student-athletes."
  • Ensure that the football staff "immediately notifies the compliance staff when concerns or red flags occur related to potential NCAA rules violations."

I can't be the only one scratching my head at how these stipulations could be considered so "extraordinary" in nature. Most of it is nothing but wordy bullets that are obvious things most head coaches would be asked to manage. Knowing the NCAA, they'll somehow find this impressive. 

FIRST WORLD PROBLEM. I typically shy away from Dennis Dodd's work because we can't take a guy that rocks Tommy Bahama shirts – basically Affliction for middle-aged men – seriously, and things like this, but he put out an interesting piece pondering whether or not technological and financial change had caused the business of college football to peak

One angle looked at how the advent of smartphones and affordable big-screen HD televisions has fans staying at home to watch games in comfort with an improved viewing experience. Michigan State's AD, Mark Hollis, notes that particular problem could have a wave effect. Considering many of those skipping games are gadget-savvy students and young people who will have opted to pass on attending games before the schools could get 5-10 years of ticket revenue from them, Hollis probably has a right to be concerned. 

At the same time, even with the knowledge this past year's overall regular season ratings slid almost across the board (ESPN -4%, ESPN2 -13%, CBS -10%), there are still what seems like a couple hundred games televised on the average fall Saturday and the coverage is only expanding. Leagues already have, or soon will have, their own networks, ESPN is wielding its power and FOX is launching a new channel with heavy emphasis on college football. 

With a playoff still on the horizon, while there could be some empty seats along the way, I have a hard time believing that college football, or the business surrounding it, will be peaking any time soon.  

Deshaun showing the sweet stroke

ONE SHINING MOMENT. The B1G has some outstanding individual players this year and Tom Dienhart of the BTN took a stab at naming the seven players, in order, that he'd want taking the last shot

Dienhart has Deshaun Thomas at the top his list:

The guy is the best pure scorer in the Big Ten with seemingly limitless range—witness a league-high 20.5-scoring average. And check out his 41.9 shooting percentage from three-point range. Plus, the 6-7 junior brims with confidence and is fearless with the ball in his hands, able to shoot over foes or drive by them.

The rest of his list included Trey Burke, Brandon Paul, Jordan Hulls, Andre Hollins, Tim Hardaway Jr and DJ Byrd. 

At the time of this writing, the "Other" category was running away with the voting but looking at the player-specific votes, Burke (9.9%) was edging out Deshaun's 9.56%. 

I guess a case could be made for Christian Watford because of his clutch three to beat Kentucky last year but I think Dienhart's order would be similar to mine. I'd go Deshaun and Burke as my top two but after that, I'd probably take Hulls or Keith Appling. I'd throw Brandon Paul in the mix but I'm still not over Ohio State letting him get off for 43 last year. I'd rather run a last second pick and pop with Scott and Amir. 

How would you rank 'em? 

SIGN OF THE TIMES. The always solid Bruce Feldman examined the list of early NFL entrants to determine which schools will be hit hardest as their underclassmen make their bid for a pro contract. 

To the surprise of no one, Feldman placed six SEC programs in the top ten, including the top five spots overall. 

LSU tops the list with a ridiculous 11 early entrants, and five of those players are projected to be selected in the first two rounds of the draft. On the defensive side of the ball, LSU loses 388 tackles, 43 TFLs and 16.5 sacks, making them the runaway choice for the top spot. 

Tennessee ranks 2nd thanks to losing a pair of big wideouts, a defensive lineman and Tyler Bray with Florida 3rd after losing Shariff Floyd and safety Matt Elam. Poor Alabama only ranks 7th despite losing their bone-crushing running back in Eddie Lacy, a stud tackle in D.J. Fluker and an elite corner in Dee Milliner. 

Only one B1G team made the list with Michigan State checking in at #9 following the early departures of Le'Veon Bell, William Gholston, and Dion Sims. I think you could make a case for ranking Sparty much higher, figuring it's significantly harder for Dantonio to replace guys compared to his medical hardship, oversigning counterparts in the South. 

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Melissa's picture

I think you meant Chip Kelly, not Philip Kelly. ??

gosolow2000's picture

I am not being sarcastic, but I think it was meant as a play on words (Phlip not Flip Kelly).
But I have been known to be wrong, just ask my wife.
 

Chris Lauderback's picture

I meant Phlip (not Phillip) as in it looked like he was staying at Oregon only to flip his intentions and take the job in PHilly.

Alhan's picture

Let me help you get back on the positve (or at least break-even) sticker level for this post, as I also originally read it as Phillip followed by an ISEEWHATYOUDIDTHERE moment and a chuckle.

You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy

gwalther's picture

Related to the "Kobe Bryant" tweeting link... @notbillwalton is one of the funniest NBA follows on Twitter. 

Class of 2008

Chris Lauderback's picture

Agreed. That handle is a riot especially during the nationally televised double-headers.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

It would not surprise me if Miami gets off with nothing more than they've self inflicted on themselves.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Pam's picture

This is where self infliction can go wrong. If the NCAA doesn't nail them, they cannot un-ban themselves or take back penalties.

chicagobuckeye's picture

meh, they were bound to get the penalties for at least 1 year bowl ban, and the story looks a lot like SMU before their death penalty. While I don't think the death penalty will every be used, I doubt, given what Miami knows, they would have any doubt that they would at least get 2 years bowl ban ala USC. Also, it can work the opposite way as we have seen, and with Miami being mediocre at best, why not impose the sanctions and hope you can recover on your own.

BrewstersMillions's picture

I'm sorry but you are absolutely incorrect here. Miami, Ohio State, Oregon, LSU, and North Carolina all combined do not come close to what occurred at SMU. SMU practically begged the NCAA to create\use a punishment specifically for them. SMU was caught giving impermissible benefits and was on probation\already received violations from the NCAA before the death penalty was instituted. Miami's violations can be broken down pretty simply to a rogue booster but SMU had higher ups at the school either involved or in the know of exactly what was going on. Miami's violations are a far cry from SMU's. SMU already saw a bowl ban in 85 and 86 and STILL kept up its practice of paying players before finally seeing the NCAA's full aresenal in 1987. Miami's misdeeds took place over a long period of time, but the entire package came to light at the same time as opposed to SMU who did wrong, got caught, got punished, did wrong again, got caught again, got punished again, finally continued to do wrong, got caught again, and finally got put to sleep.
Apples and Oranges. Any comparison anyone draws to SMU is simply untrue.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

cbusbuckeye's picture

Miami NAMED A BUILDING after Shapiro, they knew exactly what was going on. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

That's bold. If Miami-a renowned private university, KNEW a guy was paying for bar tabs\abortions\what have you and still named a building after him then maybe I can draw a comparison but SMU was still more systematic and rebellious given the fact that the NCAA already punished SMU several times before the death penalty-that is the crux of my argument. Miami's wasn't a situation where the NCAA hit them in 2002, 2005, and now. They were made aware of a 10 year (or so) period of misdeeds but all at once. The NCAA got news on SMU-and dished out a punishment a few separate times. Still two different scenarios.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

brylee's picture

The NCAA is setting itself up an out, so it doesn't have to give Miami the death penalty.  The rules for collecting evidence for an ncaa investigation vs. a civil case, are in no way equal.

cronimi's picture

I was thinking along the same lines -- since when is the NCAA subject to the Federal Rules of Evidence? 

Red Shirt Ensign's picture

Probably because a Death penalty would get a court challenge

"Statistics always remind me of a fellow who drowned in a river where the average depth was only three feet." - Coach Woody Hayes

 

NC_Buckeye's picture

Think that given the PA lawsuit, the NCAA is expecting similar actions from every sanction for the immediate future. If they eliminate some of the NOA evidence because of this self-investigation, they squash some of the strategy from a potential lawsuit.

Catch 5's picture

So they hired Shapiro's lawyer. So what? They aren't investigating him. If Nevin himself has provided so much information, why not collaborate with his lawyer as well? If Miami walks from this, every team ever put on probation has a right to leave the NCAA.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

RBuck's picture

I don't think the problem was with his attorney giving them information. The problem was with them hiring him.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

shortbus20's picture

Kobe tweets are hilarious!!!

 

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Unky Buck's picture

Any time you can work a Glass Joe reference into the mix, you know it's a job well done...kudos...

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I can still remember the feeling of ultimate humiliation when I got knocked out by Glass Joe!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Alhan's picture

How could you let that happen!  The longest part of that fight is the knockout animation :-D

Look at the fear in his eyes!

You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

It still haunts me to this very day!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Unky Buck's picture

As it should, Arizona...as it should.

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osubuckeye4life's picture

After all these years, I always wondered how he got that one win.
 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Smart move by Le'Veon Bell, leaving early before Dantonio could run him into the ground and thus shorten his NFL career.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

On the question of declining at attendance at cfb and cbb events: the proliferation of massive HD televisions and "smart" communication devices is a concern; however, the drop in attendance since 2008 - as illustrated in Dodd's article - also coincided with a sluggish U.S. economy:
Average Attendance
Year Avg
2012: 45,274
2011: 45,498
2010: 45,912
2009: 45,545
2008: 46,456
2007: 46,328
Meanwhile, as we discussed yesterday, ticket prices keep going up, which is sending the opposite message compared to the average attendance numbers.

OSUStu's picture

Yet, no increase in ticket sales at the end of the recession and continuing into 2012.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Technically, the recession ended, but during the tepid "recovery" consumer confidence has remained low: 

buckeyedude's picture

I'm not paying over $100 for one ticket to any game....MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, or NCAA football/b-ball.
It's ridiculous. The economy sucks. The elitists need to get out of their Ivory Towers once and a while and see how the real world is. There will be more empty seats.

 
 

Jack Fu's picture

Theoretically, I would love for Deshaun to get the shot in a do-or-die, end-of-the-game scenario. However, because of our other offensive personnel, if we're ever in such a situation any smart team is just going to run a triangle-and-two on us, with three guys playing a triangle zone and the other two guys both on Thomas to keep him from catching the ball. So I'm not sure we'll ever see him get the chance.

Chris Lauderback's picture

I totally agree. The post was simply who would you want but when it gets down to reality, I absolutely agree teams will take Deshaun away, or at least force a very deep three point try.

At the end of the Sparty game, it looked like the play was to try and have Scott give Deshaun a handoff far out on the left wing so he could try to create something but Scott blew it up because he sped down the court too fast (shooting with 3 seconds left). Even if the handoff was complete, I'm sure Scott's man would've left him to double Thomas which makes me think the best option is to get Thomas the ball at the top of the circle, not on one of the wings where the sideline acts as an additional defender.

Jack Fu's picture

Could be. It's tough: he's obviously an awesome scorer, so we want him to get the ball in such a scenario. But he's so obviously our only above-average scorer right now that most teams will literally do whatever it takes to keep him from getting the ball. I'd be very interested to see what Thad draws up if we're in such a situation again this year (and, judging by the state of the conference, it's probably going to happen a few more times).

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Ray Lewis - Ass Crack Model. Much better role for him than "Yelling Head" on ESPN......

thatlillefty's picture

"Subway Breakdancer:
When someone interrupts my miserable commute to perform for money, my level of indifference escalates to historic levels. But I think if Lewis got on my train and started busting out some of his famous moves, I’d be inclined to pay attention. He’d probably make a decent living, too, what with the intimidation and all."

causeicouldntgo43's picture

So glad this NCAA investigation shite is in Columbus' rear-view mirror!

Chief B1G Dump's picture

We had 2 guys leave the team...
2 more fresh recruit schollys.
 
 

DefendYoungstown's picture

Who left?

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

tennbuckeye19's picture

O'Connor and Crowell

RBuck's picture

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

okiebuck's picture

The NCAA and NASCAR; two of the most laughable "governing bodies" outside of the International Olympic Committee. 

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

Dougger's picture

why nascar? they secretly want to promote the fighting and feuds but have to tell the media and fans they frown upon it. the ncaa is prohibiting 'student athletes' from making money so that they can roll in during march madness and other huge events. completely different.

I like football

OSUStu's picture

From what I've seen, Affliction for middle-aged men is Affliction.

Tommy Bahama shirts – basically Affliction for middle-aged men

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Buckeye in Illini country's picture

"I'd rather run a last second pick and pop with Scott and Amir. "
 
I want Amir no where near the ball when the game is on the line.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

Colonel Quaritch's picture

I second this statement 

"The question isn't who's going to let me, it's who's going to stop me." 

buckeye4life050233's picture

I love how they had no problems gathering and slandering ohio state and penn state and the second they investigate a private school they get half- a$$ cooperation and then go over the line.  funny, funny, funny.  not to mention how they wouldn't allow posey's attorney to introduce the cell phone records to show he actually did work over the summer which led to more bs stories and negative press for tOSU

Bucksfan's picture

Sort of ironic, don't you think?  That the NCAA is investigating itself for improperly obtained material due to a conflict of interest in their consultation choice in the Miami case, but did not consider that the information leading to Jim Tressel's "indictment" was illegally disclosed to him by the lawyer in that investigation?

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

 Drug War in Mexico: 2007 vs. 2011.

Well that was depressing.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Catch 5's picture

It's not just the oversigning teams MSU has to keep up with.  I noticed you didn't mention this:

Eleven Warriors @11W

Ohio State confirms the departure of linebacker Connor Crowell and offensive tackle Joey O'Connor.
 

Which leads to:

Ace‏@aces808
For those keeping count, that's [5] medicals for Ohio State since Meyer was hired 14 months ago
 

and this:

Doug Lesmerises‏@PDBuckeyes
Ohio State scholly count as we know it has 59 guys on roster, 22 pledges in '13 class, at 81, 1 under sanctioned limit of 82, for now

Which means that if OSU signs 25 like your experts expected yesterday, then two more players will have to leave to make room, which would make it 8 players to leave the OSU roster since the start of the 2012 season.  For comparison, oversigning giant Alabama hasn't had any players leave in that time frame and was highly criticized for having 12 players put on medicals over a 4 year span.
Now, I'm not being critical of OSU - I have no reason to believe they are doing anything wrong, but I have to ask why the staff here loves to take these shots at oversigning while praising Meyer's recruiting?  I mean, that's where the big advantage comes from right?  If oversigning schools are able to sign more players because they cut some loose over the summer - how is it not an advantage to be able to sign more because you had players leave beforehand?

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Why worry so much about how recruiting practies in the SEC v. Ohio State (under Urbz) are perceived on 11W?
As you alluded to, Bama is firing on all cylinders now and does not have many physically-challenged players left on its roster. I'm not aware of any other serious proposals to restrict "oversigning" beyond what have already been instituted.
Enjoy your domination. One might expect Bama fans like you to be so effervescent these days that any grousing from other fan bases would sound like white noise on your ears. And yet you're attuned to every complaint. Why?  

Catch 5's picture

That's a good question.  Perhaps I'm too sensitive to the criticizm as you suggest.  As I've said previously, my presence here is part of me trying to expand my intake of information re: college football from the regionally biased writers and bloggers that most fans stick with to include those from "rival" areas.  The oversigning topic was a big part of the reason why I have done this, and Ohio State fans are (from my experiences) the most prevelant and vocal in opposition to and criticizm of the practice, so I opted for a source of information from that perspective.  11W, being an excellent (I wouldn't argue with "best") blogger site out there, regardless of team affiliation, is also a great read for national news from the type of perspective I'm looking for so I've stuck around and read it as often as I can.  Since oversigning was one of the things that attracted me to the site, I still perk up a bit whenever it is brought up.
I'm attuned to these complaints, I guess because I have come to the conclusion that they are primarily a tool to lessen or negate the accomplishments of certain (SEC) teams under the guise of protecting the players - though the worst of these accusations (if true) can also be found at non-oversigning teams just as readily.  I find the propagation of oversigning to be uninformed or hypocritical - neither of which I would expect to survive at a place like this if it were observed honestly, so I'll call it out when I feel it is warranted.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Your response here is refreshingly self-aware. Also, I've enjoyed chatting with you on other topics, so I gave a certain amount of props. I welcome your comments, even the overly sensitive responses to "oversigning" discussions.
That said, I wonder if your fixation on oversigning is an effort to redirect or concentrate the general discussion on a more favorable terrain. I agree, the complaints about oversigning providing a competitive advantage can be a bit overblown at times. Some weak programs have been among the worst offenders. Also, it can be very difficult to determine which gray shirts, medical dismissals, and transfers were legit versus which were not. In terms of competitive fairness, it wouldn't surprise me if you're able to hold your own . . .
Defending the larger institutional culture surrounding SEC football, however, becomes a more difficult task. If we think about "oversigning" and other related tactics in terms of ethics, the educational mission, and the wellbeing of 18-21 year old kids, then maybe criticisms directed at the SEC get tougher to deflect?
Don't get me wrong - Ohio State is a football factory and Urbz is not a saint. But there's a big difference in the educational experience of a kid who spends 4-5 years in the Ohio State football factory - supported (and maybe even coddled) by a first-class academic support system - and a kid who plays football for Miss State. Certainly, Bama is several steps above Miss State, but our general complaints about how the SEC football engine operates run much deeper than whether Nick Saban is able to use oversigning to maximize his talent base.        

Pam's picture

You are not being critical but only show up when the subject of oversigning is brought up?  I swear 'Bama fans are the most insecure folks around. Ever go to Hineygate on Scout.com? There is one dude Deepsthboy that has over 2k comments and about 100 on the 'Bama page. 3 NC's in 4 years and you actually care what Ohio St. fans have to say about your program? I don't get it and never will.

Unky Buck's picture

I'm not defending him by any means, but FWIW, it does say in his profile that he will defend the perceived notion of oversigning. He's just doing what he said he would do.

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Pam's picture

Why does he even care what we think? I don't give a damn how tOSU is perceived by any program and I sure as hell don't go to other blogs and try and defend any percieved notions about us. It's pathetic IMO

Unky Buck's picture

Oh, I won't argue against that one bit. Just stating what he wrote in his profile. I haven't had any run-ins with him so I didn't know Bucksfan, or anyone else for that matter, had already had numerous "discussions" with him about said topic and he continuously keeps bringing it up again and again.
It's one thing for a fan of a different team to come here and engage in good conversation (I'm definitely open to that), but it is totally different for someone to come in with an agenda and to try and start up arguments. When asked if trolls were good for the site, Ron Swanson said...

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Bucksfan's picture

He's not really interested in discourse.  He's only interested in cherrypicking data.  We've given him countless links to the information we're reading, particularly regarding Saban's use of the grayshirt, how it has affected players who thought they had a spot when they committed, and CATCH5's MO is merely to pick the few he can argue against, ignore the rest, and then say that we have no argument.  Even if our conclusion merely amounts to Saban acting like a slimeball, even if it's within the rules, he is quick to paTROLL it.  In fact, I'm certain that he will respond to my post here, and he will ask me to re-post things I've already given him in an attempt to prove me wrong in the same fashion.  I just don't have the time to rehash it over and over and over again, despite how much time he seems to have.
He has lost the debate on countless occassions.  There is a difference between a player not coming to the program because his football career is literally over (Conner Crowell, for example), and grayshirting someone who has a bruised knee (Bradley Bozeman).

Catch 5's picture

I'm not familiar with the site you referenced, but I am familiar with Deepsthboy and he has shown himself a fool on more than a few sites it seems.  If that's your opinion of me then I'm truly sad.  I never comment here unless it is on a topic/comment brought up in the article or by another commenter and no, it is not always about oversigning though if you tallied my comments that would surely be the lead topic.  Much of the reason for that is that I have little knowledge of most of the topics discussed - thus the reason I'm here.  If you were to scan through my comments you'll find a lot of comments about oversigning, but also a few about playoffs, coaching changes, players leaving for the draft, bowl games, and a little friendly banter among other topics, including many defending why I'm here.
You'll have to forgive me, however for caring what other people think.  Perhaps it is a case of being insecure, but I feel that I'm trying to better understand things from another viewpoint while offering my own on occasion.  I'm sorry if you find that pathetic.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Chief B1G Dump's picture

Simply put...
A dude from Colorado got home sick and another dude has a history of chronic injuries want to still be able to walk in the future.
It's not like we're signing 35 guys to our class every other year.