Friday Skull Session

By Elika on January 18, 2013 at 6:00a
189 Comments

Happy Friday, and what a week it's been!

I went skydiving on Tuesday and thought that would be the most exciting thing all week, and then: BAM! No, not me on the ground, but the most intriguing non-sports story I've witnessed in the sports world broke the very next day.

There's something about jumping out of a plane that makes you feel like you can do anything, but then you realize that there are people out there that supposedly give "love of my life" status to someone they've never met, Skyped, or FaceTimed with. You put my bravery to shame, Manti. 

 WTF, MANTI? Deadspin broke the news on Wednesday that Lennay Kekua, Manti Te'o's deceased girlfriend, didn't exist, leading to the most interesting SportsCenter breaking news story I've ever seen. Wednesday evening provided a press conference loaded with Jack Swarbrick tears. While Thursday was supposed to bring a Manti Te'o interview, and failed to do so, it did provide old interviews, new theories, and the height of the new Te'oing trend.

SI's Pete Thamel, who did a story on Te'o for SI in October, posted another on Thursday that included transcripts from his interviews with Te'o in the fall, regarding Lennay Kekua. The most fascinating thing in the story is that regardless of how many red flags Thamel encountered (no obituary, no record of Kekua at Stanford, no stories about her car accident) and the fact that Te'o blatantly doesn't answer several of his questions directly, Thamel and SI decided to go with the piece anyway, just leaving out some details he couldn't confirm.

Everything's easier in hindsight, sure, but how does one not realize that when someone isn't answering the question you've asked them, they're hiding something from you?

SI: How did you meet her?
TE'O: We met just, ummmm, just she knew my cousin. And kind of saw me there so. Just kind of regular.

Just kind of regular? Really?! I'll have to try that to meet a man, sometime. Thanks for the tip, Manti!

SI: She has a Hawaiian sounding name. Is she from there?
TE'O: Her real name is actually Melelengei, but her friends couldn't say that so they just called her Lennay.

BUT IS SHE FROM THERE?!

SI: What did she study?
TE'O: She graduated in 2011 or 2010. 2011.
SI: What was her major?
TE'O: Her major was in English and something. I'll double check.

Good to see y'all had some quality conversations in your EIGHT-HOUR PHONE CALLS!

SI: You have a wedding ring on?
TE'O: It's my church ring. I wear it to remember her. To remember my girlfriend.
SI: Did she give it to you?
TE'O: It's a CTR ring. It stands for choose the right. I always wore it. I had to switch it from my right to my left.

BUT WHO THE EFF GAVE IT TO YOU!?

SI: Hit by a drunk driver. What were her injuries?
TE'O: I don't know. She had a lot of different injuries.

Best case scenario? Worst. Boyfriend. Ever.

SI: You would literally sleep with your phone on with her on it?
TE'O: With her on it.
SI: When you woke up?
TE'O: She's be on it.
SI: What would the phone say?
TE'O: Like eight hours. Lucky she had AT&T so it was all free or my family would kill me.

If your family was going to "kill" you for something, it should be for being a dumbass, not for your phone bill.

I wish I could show some more compassion for a guy who may legitimately have been "catfished" and duped in some way, but none of this makes sense. At best, Manti was madly in love with a girl he never went to visit following her brutal car accident or her diagnosis with cancer, so that's making it easier for me to sleep at night, even if I don't have Manti breathing on the other end of the phone.

LIAR LIAR. The other big story of the sports world on Thursday (sorry, Chip Kelly) was Lance Armstrong's interview with Oprah that aired, in part, on Thursday night. Partly a big story because nobody has seen Oprah for a year, and partly because, for whatever reason, it appears "we" still care about Lance Armstrong.

Personally, I would've thought that ship had sailed a long time ago, but people are apparently still intrigued by the legend of a sport they honestly don't give two craps about. (Seriously, what gives? I don't get it.)

I didn't watch most of the interview, where Armstrong did admit to doping, lying, cheating, denying, and a host of other things. In the bits and pieces that I did watch, he came across as a man who had rehearsed coming across as sincere, but failed miserably when it came time to perform. For more reactions on the interview, with a little comedy swirled in, check out some Twitter reactions to the interview. Part two of the interview is scheduled to air on OWN tonight.

AP/ReutersAl Pacino to play Joe Paterno in "Happy Valley" based on "Paterno"

YOUR UPDATE ON ALL THINGS PENN STATE COACHING. Penn State head coach Bill O'Brien won the 2012 Paul "Bear" Bryant College Coach of the Year Award on Thursday night, making it his third national coach of the year award this year. O'Brien beat out Urban Meyer, Bill Snyder, Kevin Sumlin, David Shaw and James Franklin for the award. 

Frankly, as well as he did in his first year at Penn State (and yes, under very difficult circumstances), I find him to be a bit overhyped. Great arguments could be made for any of those other finalists, who have been snubbed all year due to this idea that O'Brien's job in 2012 was "impossible," an interesting concept, because 2013-??? are going to be much more difficult. Is he going to get this pass every year?

Speaking of Penn State coaches, it was also announced on Thursday that Al Pacino will be playing Joe Paterno in "Happy Valley," a film based on Joe Posnanski's best-seller "Paterno." In the words of my brother, "What a perfect fit. He'll get to play his most power-hungry character since Scarface."

CICERO. Remember that name? You should. He's the guy who emailed Tressel to warn him about Edward Rife, the tattoo parlor owner some of Tressel's players were getting too close to.

Thursday news broke that Christopher Cicero might possibly be found in contempt of court, as the Ohio Supreme Court is threatening to find him in content of court. It appears that Cicero had failed to file paperwork as part of his temporary law license suspension. Perhaps if he had just stopped sending pesky emails to Tress...

YOU CAN'T SPELL TURNOVER WITHOUT... Just kidding, he appears to be a good hire. The Browns announced on Thursday the hire of former San Diego Chargers head coach Norv Turner. Now, the question just becomes: what are they going to do with Weeden?

LINKS. LINKS. LINKS. I'd hate to link to Darren Rovell, but... Rooting for some Buckeyes in the post-postseason... I can't think of better ways to get through the offseason than watching things like this.... This one is pretty fun too... If you enjoy Malcolm Gladwell, this was an interesting read... Words Pat Haden should live by.

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Hovenaut's picture

Weird week for sports, but I like your recap on it all.

DVR'd the first part of the Armstrong interview, will try to watch both parts back to back this weekend (party!).....get the feeling I'll be fast forwarding a bit.

I am not the Last Dragon, therefore I do not possess the power of the Glow.

popeurban's picture

I don't think you will fast forward... I was not that interested, but I could not stop watching last night.  He seemed pretty forthright IMO.

LouGroza's picture

Much effort was made by Te'o to skirt around multiple questions. It is impossible to think he is innocent in all this.
Bet it is nice when off season breaking news makes it a breeze, as compared to lean news times, to write the skully. Nicely done.

VBBuckeye's picture

The link to the "Manti Te'o Girlfriend Bobblehead Day" story = Pure genius!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I don't know what's more insane, this Te'o situation or someone jumping out of a plane with a sheet attached to them.
 
Between the Lakers losing, and all this Te'o/Armstrong yesterday almost sucked for tv watching. Luckily this saved the day:

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Poison nuts's picture

Good on you - +1 for being a Suits fan.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Thursdays just aren't the same without it.

A downvote for Suits? The heck?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

How good is this show honestly? i just got fully strong armed into watching White Collar and i can't stop.

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

To me it's the best show on USA.

When I saw the previews to the I thought "This looks like just another lawyer show". When they re-aired the pilot, I watched it(it was late, and there was nothing on). I've been hooked ever since.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Poison nuts's picture

Same here.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

btalbert25's picture

Honestly, I HATE this show.  My wife watches it all the time and I just can't stand the cast.  I know it's popular, but I don't get it.  To each their own though, as I'm sure other people think my Thursday night can't miss show, Impractical Jokers is moronic!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

I'm just interested b/c both of the shows i've watched on usa (white collar/burn notice) automatically had me hooked. I'm pleasantly surprised by their lineup

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I don't enjoy Burn Notice the way I use to.

Outside of sports there are only 3 shows I'll watch every week. Suits, The Walking Dead, and something else( I refuse to say what).

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Impractical Jokers is moronic!

That's where I stopped reading. Mainly because it was the end of the sentence.
The cast is the main reason I love the show.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

well, for thursday night you, you also have this guy...
 

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

hodge's picture

^ The fact that you have a picture of Sterling Archer in your post and that your signature is a Game of Thrones riff means this deserves so much more than the singular upvote I can provide.  That said, I'll happily do my part.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I try to catch this or "The League", whenever they're in rerun mode.

Random Girl: I have to wait until my friend gets out of the powder room.

Archer: Obviously we're going to wait for her, she's the hot one.

lol

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

I do my best, Hodge.
 
And The League and Workaholics are serious guilty pleasures. Rafi is absolutely hilarious.

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Yeah, Rafi is great.

My bad. My mentioning Suits turned this into one long unreadable train. lol

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

UncleBuck's picture

Impractical Jokers is moronic, but hilarious.

Poison nuts's picture

Apparently, my choice in TV viewing has offended 2 individuals to the point of anger. Dear folks who down voted my liking of this program, my most humble apologies, I should not be viewing it. Your are right, I am wrong. Please forgive me...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

They are wrong for downvoting a Suits fan.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Dougger's picture

+1 for you for having a Ronnie James Dio quote!!! RIP RJD! holy diver and rainbow in the dark are two of my favorite songs

I like football

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

rainbow in the dark can get me grooving even if my dog just died

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Poison nuts's picture

When there's lightning, you know it always brings me down!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

hodge's picture

Related to television shows, anyone else out there excited for FX's The Americans?
Basically, it's about two Russian sleeper agents living in DC; they're in a KGB-arranged marriage, and have been together since they were teenagers.  They now have a family, and as they start to develop real feelings for eachother, the husband is becoming increasingly enamored with the American lifestyle, while his wife (Keri Russel) remains dedicated to the cause.  All of this occurs while they realize that their neighbor is an FBI counter-intelligence agent.  It's set in the early '80s, and looks fantastic.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I honestly don't think it's going to last that long.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

hodge's picture

I'm not holding my breath, but I'm an absolute sucker for period dramas--especially anything involving spies.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

After FX didn't bring back Thief, I refused to get invested in any of their "dramas".

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

brylee's picture

I don't remember Thief, but I believe they ran a season of Rubicon, which was a good spy drama.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

OldColumbusTown's picture

Almost everything I've ever watched on FX is fantastic, IMO.
They have, again, in my opinion, some of the most original ideas for series out there.  Whether it was Nip/Tuck, Justified, Sons of Anarchy, The Americans, Rescue Me, etc. - everything seems to be so original and well thought out, without coming across as following the path of "everyone else is doing it so we should too."

NC_Buckeye's picture

If we're talking FX, everyone needs to check out American Horror Story. I. Am. Hooked.
I need to find a way to watch season one without shilling out $40 to Amazon.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Not a subscriber. Yeah, I know it's only $16 per month. I don't think I'd use it enough, honestly.

hodge's picture

It's $8, if you only use the instant stream.  This omits the "direct mail component", but in my opinion, it's well worth it for the price.  You have a massive  library of television shows (which are notoriously expensive to purchase) and films at your disposal; not to mention that a lot of newer TVs (as well as PS3, XBOX 360, and Roku) offer direct integration of their services, as well as your computer and smartphone.
Just checked, season one is on instant stream.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Thanks Hodge. I'll check it out.
Probably worth the price to see the new episodes of Arrested Development.

buckeyedude's picture

That's how I found Trailer Park Boys(the Canadian show, that is, GEEZ)

 

 

awwwwwwop's picture

just get your free month and watch it then. Also, its only $7 if you only do streaming

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

Brutus's picture

Season 1 was amazing.  I love a good horror story and they did a great job of incorporating several horror stories into one long plot line.  Season 2 has been a bit of a disappointment, but they've done a brilliant job of returning most of the supporting cast from last season into new roles this season.  While I find the thought of an insane asylum very creepy (the scene in Halloween with all the asylum escapees wandering around in white gowns is scarier than anything else in the movie in my opinion), having it set in the 60s doesn't do it for me.  Still, I watch every week and look forward to next season. 
Find a way to watch season 1.  You won't be disappointed.  About three episodes in I said Jessica Lange would win an Emmy.  She was brilliant. (For the record, I also called Margo Martindale winning the Emmy for her role as Mama Cox in Justified well before she was even nominated, but I'll stop bragging).

Killer nuts's picture

The complete failure of any media member to follow through on anything Te'o was feeding them about his girlfriend continues to astound me but as you say, hingdsight is 20/20

thatlillefty's picture

Absolutely... and now the same media outlets that so recently celebrated his story are tearing the kid apart. What a joke.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Are they though? Because more and more of the media are coming out with articles where they seem to be willing to accept the ND party line that Te'o was duped or "catfished".
Thamel's interview notes are especially damning to Te'o's credibility IMO. This guy was in on it without a doubt. And it worked. He got invited to the Heisman presentation.
Seriously. Is there any way he gets the invite without the press of this story being out there? The answer: no, he's good but not Heisman good.

penult's picture

... and now the same media outlets that so recently celebrated his story are tearing the kid apart.

Uhhh, no they aren't.  In fact it is outlets like Deadspin that didn't shamelessly promote Te'o for Heisman (in fact I'm pretty sure they ripped the South Bend Tribune for this), and they aren't so much "tearing the kid apart" as actually reporting facts about Te'o's story for once. 
How embarrassing.  Someone in the media does some fact checking, and you rip them for that?
 

popeurban's picture

so that's making it easier for me to sleep at night, even if I don't have Manti breathing on the other end of the phone.

The best Elika!

gumtape's picture

Being a hybrid between a nerd and geek myself, what astounds me is that a division 1 college superstar needed the internet to get a girlfriend. He should have dozens of coeds throwing themselves at him. I wonder if he is just really shy.

just another psycho, irrational, delusional Ohio St fan

Alhan's picture

I have never seen any behavior out of him in games or interviews that would suggest he is "shy".

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

thatlillefty's picture

what exactly is a hybrid between nerd and geek?

OSUNeedles's picture

A GERD... The condition can be treated with Nexium from what I understand.

hodge's picture

Honestly any off branded over-the-counter omeprazole works just as well.

buckeyedude's picture

Viagra works better.

 

 

NC_Buckeye's picture

Seriously. Don't be gullible.
ND team members have talked off-the-record about the team (amongst themselves) not encouraging the dead-girlfriend storyline because they knew he dated several girls ON-CAMPUS as well over the last two years. So they weren't sure how much of a "girlfriend" Lennay Kekua actually was.

Abe Froman's picture

Each time something like the Armstrong reveal takes place, I remember the way Rose was absolutely roasted by the press as the most evil person ever for betting on the Reds to win.  No cheating, just betting.  No rape, no murder, no doping, PEDs or domestic violence.  Our values are truly wrong when these actions are not penalized in the public arena (and through the actions/in actions of their employers).  

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Don't get me started on the media. I've not followed the Teo story, but what little I do know does not paint a pretty picture of the current sports media landscape. 
That said, there is a logical basis for why authorities (in charge of sports organizations) might view Rose's transgressions as a greater threat to their "industries" than other misdeeds, even including crimes that are viewed much more harshly by society: which is that fans (and the general public) might begin to question the competitive integrity of the games, themselves - i.e., are all the players genuinely trying to win and/or are they rigging the outcomes to some degree or another? If such perceptions begin to spread, the sports organizations run by the authorities will implode.
With PEDs, dopping, etc., the competition is "rigged" to a certain extent; however, at least that type of cheating presupposes that all/most of the players are trying very hard to win. The fans are cheated in the sense that perhaps the wrong players (artificially boosted by PEDs) end up winning, but no one gets the impression that they're watching a staged event with pre-selected winners and losers (a la "professional" wrestling).         

tennbuckeye19's picture

I am a big Pete Rose fan. And you're right, betting on baseball was not as bad as what others have done. But still, he knew betting was wrong and what he was doing was against league rules. I don't feel sorry for him in that regard. And yes, Pete Rose was crucified by the media for betting on baseball, but I contend that had he not been so vehemently defiant in lying about what he had done for as long as he did, things would've worked out much better for him. Betting was one thing. Lying about it and claiming that he was some saint wrongfully accused despite evidence to the contrary is another. He should though, be in the HOF for his playing career, as his betting had nothing to do with that.

hodge's picture

The fact that Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame, while Pete Rose is not is a complete travesty.

"Stories of Cobb’s racial intolerance were well-documented. In 1907 during spring training in Augusta, Georgia, a black groundskeeper named Bungy, whom Cobb had known for years, attempted to shake Cobb’s hand or pat him on the shoulder.  The overly familiar greeting infuriated Cobb, who slapped him and chased him from the clubhouse. When Bungy’s wife tried to intervene, Cobb turned around and choked her until teammates pried his hands off her neck. In 1908 in Detroit, a black laborer castigated him after he accidentally stepped into some freshly poured asphalt. Cobb assaulted the laborer on the spot, knocking him to the ground. The ballplayer was found guilty of battery, but a friendly judge suspended his sentence. Cobb paid the laborer $75 to avoid a civil suit.
 
Just three months before the three men attacked him in Detroit in 1912, Cobb assaulted a New York Highlanders fan at Hilltop Park in New York City. The fan, Claude Lueker, was missing all of one hand and three fingers on the other from a printing press accident, but he spent the entire game heckling the Detroit players.  After enduring taunts that were “reflecting on my mother’s color and morals,” Cobb reported in his autobiography, the Georgia native had had enough. He jumped the rail along the third-base side of the field and climbed 12 rows of seats to get to Lueker, whom he slammed to the ground and beat senseless. Someone screamed for Cobb to stop, pointing out that the man had no hands. “I don’t care if he has no feet!” Cobb yelled back, stomping Lueker until park police pulled him off. American League president Ban Johnson, who was at the game, suspended Cobb for 10 days."

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

um...wow

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

tennbuckeye19's picture

I totally agree. Cobb was a monster. It's not fair that Cobb is in and Rose is kept out. Like I said, Rose should be in the HOF for his playing career. He broke a cardinal rule as a manager, knowing there would be consequences if he was caught. Had he come clean from the start on the betting, things might've turned out better for him. 

Jack Fu's picture

As far as I know, baseball has no rule against being a loathesome person (which Cobb certainly was). However, they do have one rule that is posted in every single dugout, one very well-publicized rule that, if broken, will get you banned from the game for life. Rose broke that rule. As a consequence, he is banned from the game. You can't put someone in the Hall of Fame if they are banned from the freaking game.

hodge's picture

Understand your arguement.  And while it is true, I still shudder at the blatant hypocrisy of ignoring one man's monstrous actions and enshining him in the Hall of Fame, while subsequently rejecting another man based off of (in my subjective opinion) far less severe merits.
Rose broke a well-established rule and damaged the game's credibility, he should be banned for life.  But as long as the Hall of Fame turns a blind eye to indescretions like Cobb's, they should afford the same luxury to Rose.

Jack Fu's picture

I don't know if it's hypocrisy; I think it may just be the nature of rules, with some circumstance thrown in. There's lots of things that you can legally do that would indicate that you're a terrible person, but that don't actually break any rules or laws. What Cobb did didn't break any of baseball's rules, and he lived in a time when that kind of behavior was tolerated (apparently). Rose broke the big one.
Who's the "better person"? Almost definitely Rose. But that's not the question.

Idaho Helga's picture

And I might mention, Shoeless Joe Jackson had fabulous stats in the series and didn't throw a single game.  He was/is  a victim of the hall of fame voters.
Life long Reds fan here.  Pete deserves to be in the hall of fame for his PLAYING DAYS.  But not in his lifetime.  He bet on the Reds and was CERTAINLY in the position to put change the rotation of pitchers, etc to change the game for his own profit.    And if you think he told the whole truth and is doing so now, well, you haven't followed him closely.  I do think he got duped by the commish into confessing as I don't think he would have done it without a carrot on the stick.
 

RedStorm45's picture

Ah, Darren Rovell...got punk'd or catfished just like Manti, only he didn't fall in love, just wrote a nice BS story.

gwalther's picture

Holy shit- just watched the link to Urban going nuts after the Purdue win... And swear I saw, for the first time, Kerry Coombs start dancing when the broke in to Buckeye Swag.
Someone take a look and see if they can back me up. What a baller. Knowing 11W this was noticed by everyone long ago. Haha

Class of 2008

dcbuck-i's picture

Saw it. He literally looks like how I think my dad would look at his first hip-hop concert. An air of uncomfortable to it, but still brings a smile to my face.

rdubs's picture

I also liked the drum major jumping up and down like a 10 year old school girl.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Between exhilaration and terror, a lot of living is condensed into the moment of skydiving. It's exhilarating and terrifying seeing the curvature of the earth and what looks like a patchwork quilt, two miles below. The violence of the dive, the opening of the chute and floating and hoping you nail that landing (I didn't.) - all exhilarating and terrifying.
It seems Manti Te'o's living a moment, akin to skydiving.
The only difference, I think, is that my skydive was one of the greatest moments of my life.

jedkat's picture

...and you had a parachute

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

bukyze's picture

 
SI: How did you meet her?
TE'O: We met just, ummmm, just she knew my cousin. And kind of saw me there so. Just kind of regular.
 Just kind of regular? Really?! I'll have to try that to meet a man, sometime. Thanks for the tip, Manti!
 
 
Hey Elika - I'm a man!
 

Elika's picture

Are you forty?!

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

bukyze's picture

Why yes, yes I am!

VintonCountyBuck's picture

Beat me to it!!
 

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

buckeyedude's picture

I still have no clue how O'Brien beat out Ferentz for COY award.
And,

The Browns announced on Thursday the hire of former San Diego Chargers head coach Norv Turner.

I thought that job went to Rob Chudzinski? What the heck happened?

 

 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

NT is the OC.

Yo!

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

buckeyedude's picture

10-4! Silly me.

 

 

brylee's picture

Rob Chudzinski's first move as Browns head coach was an impressive one -- hiring Norv Turner as offensive coordinator.

20sider's picture

Turner was hired as the OC for the Browns... the quote is a bit misleading as it is worded. I had to go check the story myself, as I had the same question.
 
Edit: suppose I should refresh the screen prior to replying, seeing as others beat me to it by, oh say... half an hour! LOL.

GO BUCKS!

buckz4evr's picture

He's the offensive coordinator.

bukyze's picture

Sorry guys, not much of a computer guy, but how do you get the quotes to be contained in the box?
 
"The Browns announced Thursday the hire of ........"

tennbuckeye19's picture

BUKYZE - After you copy and paste the words (or type them), look above to the toolbar that has B for Bold, I for Italics, and etc. Highlight your words and then hit the " in the toolbar to make your Quote Block (it's in the middle of the toolbar row).

Elika's picture

Apologies, that could've definitely been worded better. 

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

buckeyedude's picture

Don't worry about it, sweetheart. :)

 

 

brylee's picture

Sorry Elika...I had to turn off the Purdue link as soon as I heard Beth Mowen's voice.  Maybe...if we dub in the Coach Coombs motivational speech....ah, now that might work!

kalabuckzoo's picture

Ha, just watched the whole thing on mute.  Can we set up a fund to pay someone off to never have her assigned to buckeye games again?

jack's picture

thanks for the link to the Purdont finale.  My ex-wife actually used my attendance at that game as evidence against me in our divorce trial.  She's a Buckeye hater now, you can bet on that.  I won the war of attrition.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

how has nobody responded to this. How the hell did she use that against you in court? lol

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Alhan's picture

I'll second the request for more information on this story.  You can't leave us hanging like that!

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

Squirrel Master's picture

I'll third it! I have to know more!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I guess now we wait for his response.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

buckeyedude's picture

I agree. your story has to be more riveting than even Te'o's imaginative girlfriend, Jack!
If I had to guess, your ex-wife divorced you Jack, because you pay more attention to the Buckeyes than you do her. And you don't make enough money. And you probably never lift the toilet seat when you pee standing up. And you...oh hell, you get the picture.

 

 

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Upvote for having your priorities straight!

Idaho Helga's picture

Hey Jack, I upvoted you and am like the rest who are curious, um, I have received repeated flack about going to/viewing OSU sports and hell, I'm a female,so I dunno with  a judge in a non-sports-oriented state.  (FYI: I might need this soon in the future...)
 

Poison nuts's picture

Congrats on the jump! Back in 2001 my best friend & best man at my wedding bought me an airplane jump package. It was an accelerated learning course supposedly for people who want to be parachuting professionals...It cost a bit, but the big benefit was that after the course, you jump out of the plane by yourself (with 2 instructors next to you). The instructors land first & guide you in via walkie talkie. It was the thrill of a lifetime! Looking down & watching the whole world slowly getting closer...Damn.
The way he answered those questions... He could have had a career in politics, if he hadn't, you know, had a fake dead girlfriend...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Being someone that is terrified of heights/flying, I just don't see what's so appealing about hurling yourself out of a plane thousands of feet in the air.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Elika's picture

It was the most amazing feeling! Think I'm going to go every year... unless I ever have kids, then maybe I'll stop then. 

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

So you haven't had enough heart attack moments in the last decade with Ohio State?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Ted Kennedy had a long career in politics, even though he had a real dead girlfriend

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

That was random..

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Sorry. When I was typing it, it looked like it would go directly beneath PoisonNuts' fake dead girlfriend post

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Oh. That makes sense. lol

Never trust the reply system on 11w. It does what it wants. Besides, there's no way you'd get ahead of "Elika"(if that's really his name).

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

unknownmusketeer's picture

Are cell phones even allowed in hospitals? I almost would have to think he was calling her hospital phone, which most likely was not AT&T/free.

BucksfanXC's picture

I have to doubt he actually called anyone at all.

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RBuck's picture

It was an imaginary hospital. All those have everyting for free.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Earle's picture

Had my imaginary appendix taken out in one of those.  Right after my imaginary brain transplant.  It was great!

Italics are for emphasis.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I agree, this whole T'eo thing sounds like the type of thing George Costanza would do. He's getting caught in his lie and he's lying to try to get out the lie. Expect the confession sometime very soon. Probably will involve crying and a neurotic rant about how inadequate he is.
 

 
 

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bukyze's picture

"Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it."

CALPOPPY's picture

I care about cycling...but I also raced for a few years so I guess I was more invested. It is an awesome sport at the collegiate level where it is all about the team. 
So I was interested in the Armstrong interview and actually surprised he admitted to anything. He is a stubborn, stubborn man.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

GoBucks713's picture

Hey Elika, did you get video of you eating cheeseburgers during your jump?

-The Aristocrats!

Elika's picture

Sadly, no cheeseburgers on the way down... but I got steak fajitas and Modelo Especial with an ocean view right after!

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

BucksfanXC's picture

Did you...did you link to your own twitter in the links section?

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

RedStorm45's picture

Is that an 11W first?

Earle's picture

I think Elika has done it before.  I remember because I can't access twitter (or you-tube) from work and it always frustrates me to not be able to follow the links.

Italics are for emphasis.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Self promotion is always the best kind.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Elika's picture

I linked to a picture I had previously tweeted, and wasn't sure how else to directly link to that picture for you guys. Twitter used to provide links to pictures you tweet that are independent of your twitter (on twitpic, yfrog, etc) but now they appear as what you see in that link. A THOUSAND PARDONS!

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I don't think he expected an explanation. lol

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Squirrel Master's picture

Ladies and Gentlemen, if you are still confused about the manti Te'o story, don't be. This is what happened.
Manti Te'o was actually duped by a hoax. He was catfished and took it line and sinker. What he led on and lied about was the actual intimacy of the relationship. He probably communicated with the person online for a while and he/she was probably showering him with attention and compliments and he ate it up. He had no idea that the person was posing as a fake identity. but I don't think he really cared that much, hence why he didn't try to meet her or go see her when she had her car accident, diagnosis and death. He just thought of her as another chick who he met online. Meantime he was hooking up with other girls at ND on campus, as his teammates told us. Even his teammate said Te'o didn't think of Kekua as a girlfriend.
but then she dies, and on the same day as his grandmother which I'm sure did hit him a little bit because he did think she was real. Now the media gets ahold of the story and starts to get him for interviews. He realizes the story will get him a ton of attention, which his teammates say he craves, so he plays along and over emphasize his relationship with the person online. I'm sure some of the reporters that interviewed him prompted him to embelish more. I'm sure he said he loved her and said he talked to her every night on the phone. He lied about sending flowers. I'm sure they told him to act it up more. He played along so much despite the real truth that he barely knew the person online.
It makes sense because it explains why he never tried to see her, it explains why he is embarrassed by the whole event because he really was duped but also lied to get the attention and accolades. He is not innocent but he was duped by the hoax!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Jack Fu's picture

If I had to guess, I would say that this is the most likely explanation. However, the longer he goes without actually saying anything the more plausible the "it was all concocted to drum up publicity" thing seems. 'Cause if that winds up being the case, I mean, you know, IT TOTALLY WORKED.

Squirrel Master's picture

well if he did do it all, not only is he a really sick individual (who really makes up shit about a GF dying of the same thing your grandma is dying of. That would be just sick!) but he is also a mastermind. He had ESPN, YAHOO, TMZ and other major sports reporting organizations so bad that it is sheer genius. For over 6 months he had all of them going and even left hints that it was totally fake that anyone of those should have caught on. The town she had her funeral at was even a fake town name! It's genius!
but I don't think he is that smart, I don't think he is that cunning. I think he is just a jock who was duped and stumbled into the story of a lifetime and went along because he became a celebrity for it. Some of these kids can't help themselves. As was said earlier this week on a skull session, its nice having a QB like Braxton who isn't an attention hog and partier like Manziel. Most of these kids get into the limelight and can't help themselves. They will lie to anyone to keep it going or get even more attention.
I used to not really know what the story was, I had no clue. I just didn't believe he was either or. I didn't think it added up but I didn't think he was that smart to put such a story together ahead of time. This is the only way it makes sense to me.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

OldColumbusTown's picture

I must say, even if he was initially duped but eventually caught on and and perpetuated the lie, is it really any better in the grand scheme of things?
The lengths of minutiae he delved into during his interviews were painstakingly detailed.  Staying on the phone with her for 8 hours, and listening to her breathe while in a coma?  Talking to her parents, brother, and/or sister before each game on the phone?  The list goes on and on.  Even if he was embarassed and continued this ruse to avoid the humiliation and shame for getting "taken," he greatly embellished his relationship so as to drum up more support/heroism/sympathy/publicity.  That is no different than the angle taken if he was involved in the hoax from the beginning.
The only thing to say about this situation was already said by the great OMC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cMG33mWVY
 

Squirrel Master's picture

I don't think he caught on to the hoax and then still played along any more than perhaps the interview during the NCG. I still think he was in the dark about the hoax till December 26th. I think he played along with the story of two lovers that connected over the internet and how much in love they were. I still think he thought Kekua died and actually existed. I just don't think he cared to know her that much and wasn't really "dating" her.
I do think it is a difference if you find out later that it was a hoax and still kept up the charade until you knew for sure that your were being taken as opposed to hatching the plan from the beginning. It takes an egotistical personality to not want to admit you were taken and play along, it takes a really sick person to create the whole story to begin with. No, I wouldn't look at him as harshly if he was just an attention seeker than if he was a twisted person to hatch such a terrible story.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

tennbuckeye19's picture

FWIW: He supposedly was called and informed he was duped December 6th. He didn't tell ND about it till December 26th. He talked about her multiple times after December 6th.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8856519/manti-teo-talked-girlfriend-knowing-hoax

Squirrel Master's picture

Well I am curious if it was a phone call from some girl that said this to him on the 6th or 26th whenever, or it was actually the guy who supposedly did the hoax calling him and telling him he is going to out him about the lovey dovey stuff.
True he did talk about it still playing it up, but how do you know he was ready to talk about it or was told to hold off by ND or someone else who wanted to make sure it is factual that she does not exist. Much like the Tressel incident, can't jump to conclusions just because you heard that it was possibly a hoax. Have to have a bit of proof before you can come out about it.
So the timeline doesn't bother me and my story still holds true that he was lying about the relationship and still carried it on like he did, doesn't mean he perpitrated the hoax in the first place.
 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

tennbuckeye19's picture

Squirrel, you should be proud of me. I've actually come closer to believing what you do. Seems like he was duped initially, but at some point found out it was all a hoax. But I do think the timeline is very important. If he wants to play the victim card, he has to be forthcoming about everything, dates, answering questions about seeing her or not, and etc.
I just read this too:
 
 
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8857057/friend-says-ronaiah-tuiasosopo-confessed-manti-teo-girlfriend-hoax

Squirrel Master's picture

Yeah, see I really think he was a victim of the hoax and not in on it. but I do think he was not innocent and lied about the extent of his relationship. I think he really didn't know anything until that call in December about the hoax. but by that point he already knew he was in deep with his story of their supposed love! and how he talked to her and met her in Hawaii. He couldn't come right out and say, hey I really exagerrated my love for this fake person online.
He does need to come out though because he is looking worst and worst and god forbid if he comes out and still tries to prove he loved her and he was devistated, then he will continue to give doubt.
Great link. I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't happen many, many times and even sometimes money gets involved which is illegal.
Crazy story and I wouldn't hate it if it did cause some ND scandal and sanctions! I just can't believe he is that smart to concoct all this.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

penult's picture

I just can't believe he is that smart to concoct all this.

I have not seen anybody say that.  Saying he was "always in on it" in no way asserts that he worked alone.  The sides is not he was duped or he worked alone.  The sides are he was duped or he was in on it (from the start or later on), but those scenarios all involve other individuals.
 

Squirrel Master's picture

So you are saying that the guy out in california approached him, said this is what we are going to do and you play along and we'll make you a superstar? That he sat there and listened to someone tell him, "okay we are going to fake a girlfriend's death on the same day as your grandmothers and say it was from Leukemia just like your grandmother and you will become famous and the hearthrob of the entire nation"? I would find it more plausible that he concocted the whole thing than to let someone else put all that together and not go "uh, I love my grandmother alot and I think that is just wrong".
So the 3 options are 1. planned it all himself and had someone help him put it together (which is what I mean, not that he worked alone), 2. listened to someone else desicrate the unfortunate life ending illness that his grandmother had and make a joke out of it but went along anyways, or 3. had no idea about the fake GF and just lied about the relationship.
I'm still going with had no idea about the hoax because he would be an extremely sick individual to play along to such a hoax. Pretending you loved someone who you didn't is one thing, pretending that you had a girlfriend that died of Leukemia on the same day or timeframe of your grandmother is really horrible. You do understand what it means if he was in on the hoax the whole time? How truly messed up that is as opposed to just being a media hound.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

penult's picture

I mean this in jest, and not maliciously, but your name should be STRAWMAN MASTER (but not really, I like Squirrel Master better).
 
No, I am not saying that gobbledygook that you hilariously frame as my argument (please point out one person who thinks that Te'o was in on it AND worked alone).
You won't find any informed person who thinks he worked alone because Tuiasosopo was implicated as the person who created the fake GF in the Deadspin article that broke the story.
No one has said anything about Te'o working alone, except for you.
 
Te'o and Tuiasosopo were friends on some level.  It appears they met at the USC game in LA.  This would have been after Tuiasosopo had duped some other guy with the Lennay fabrication.  He could have decided to dupe Te'o with the exact same story.  Or, he could have told Te'o about it.  They have a laugh about it for a while, then at that time, or sometime later, someone says 'hey, what if...'
If Te'o lied about the relationship, as you think, that is still a significant degree of mental derangement on the scale he took it to.  So it's hypocritical to believe that, but say the other option is too sick.
You say you don't believe Te'o could be such a mastermind, but you're alternative merely replaces that with another mastermind.

Squirrel Master's picture

the line you copied from my comment,

I just can't believe he is that smart to concoct all this.

has nothing to do with being alone. Being smart enough to concoct all this has nothing to do with being alone. I am stating that he had to be the one who would think of this story if he was in on it. I don't think Manti would sit idly by and listen to someone else create a story so close to what is happening to his grandmother. It would have to have been his idea or he is not involved at all.
I never said he worked alone! but you really think Tuiasosopo came up to Manti and said, "hey, what if..." and Manti stood there and said "sure, let's do it"? Really?
I don't think it takes a mastermind to getting duped about a girl online who communicates with him no more than a groupy would a rockstar, she supposedly dies, the media gets ahold of the story and he plays along. The story was there, all he had to do is come up with some mushy crap of being in love and he was in. He didn't have to come up with anything more than that for my reality to fit.
but in your reality, he had to either come up with a plan to kill an imaginary girlfriend and had friends help him or listen to a friend come up with an insulting story like this.
In my possibility, an egotistical, male athlete would do that. It doesn't take much to play along. To plan the fake death of someone with Leukemia when your grandmother just died from Leukemia, is a sick individual. There is a big difference!
both are wrong, of course. just a very different level of a horrible story.
Listen, keep following the story because it is getting closer and closer to what I am saying. Tuiasosopo duped Manti Te'o (which by the way there is nothing to prove they were friends before the hoax started. Maybe Kekua introduced them through their correspondence online. Who really knows.), Manti blew the relationship out of proportion much like what teammates are already saying,

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One former teammate told ESPN's Bob Holtzman on Wednesday that players knew the woman wasn't really his girlfriend even though Te'o played that up as his tragic story was being told.

and he wasn't aware of the hoax till after he got deep in with his own lies.
your story just has too many holes in it still. Mine is very realistic.
 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Squirrel Master's picture

I wouldn't take being called Strawman as an insult. Its not insulting to say that I have a conclusion that you think is unsupported.
Its just inaccurate since I am gathering proof and information that is supporting my claims. We are finding out more and more that not only was Te'o lying about his involvment with Lennay, but he was also duped by tuiasosopo. The only part that is missing is how much he actually did know and when. But I do believe the most recent stories have supported my point that Te'o was not involved from the beginning.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

rgarrett22's picture

it's not that far-fetched to reason that Tuiasosopo would "take the fall" for Te'o at this point.

they have been confirmed as friends. they were tweeting back and forth, Te'o mentioned about hanging out in Hawaii. Tuiasosopos were even guests on the sideline during the USC-ND game.

Te'o's draft stock is likely damaged due to this "saga" but he is still going to be a multi-millionaire and why wouldn't a friend agree to say it was a hoax in exchange for some nice financial fallback.

it's certainly no more far-fetched than any other aspect of this story.

or, if you prefer the gay lovers angle, then of course Tuiasosopo would be willing to say Te'o was just a victim in it.

Any way you look at it, you can't call the reports of Tuiasosopo "duping" Te'o as proof of anything.

There are many ways to still look at this as it plays out.

onetwentyeight's picture

[EDIT: TL;DR warning. OBVIOUSLY I've been obsessed with this story and consuming anything written on the internets about it. I have no life. Blame the last semester of law school.] 
 
But did he not care about her to the point that, as she's on her deathbed, he doesn't even bother to do ANY of these things ONCE?
- go visit her in the hospital (what most normal people would at least try)
- see her face not just her voice (a poor substitute for the in-person hospital visit), but Skype/Facetime/Webcams exist for a reason. 
And further, after she's "dead", he can't remember what day it was. The day before Grandma? 6 hours after Grandma? 48? 3 days? 4 days? 
Your theory is certainly plausible but if he was truly being "hoaxed" until Dec 26, yet didn't truly have feelings for this girl (to the extent that the behavior I outline above occured) who he thought really died, then he comes out looking almost as sociopathic as someone who concocted the whole thing from the start for Heisman pub. He's out here telling the press she's the love of his life,  her last words were I love you, blah blah, and giving emotional speeches, but behind the scenes he can't remember what day she died on, doesn't even bother to SEE HER FACE once before she dies? And then never goes and sees her family? 
Even if he's being hoaxed and thinks shes just some poor online chick he's patronizing for the PR angle, at least make a half-way human attempt once shes close to DYING. Even the worst criminal athletes make the effort to show up at St Judes or Make A Wish once in a blue moon, in person. 
 
I think that's just too much to ask and if you're gonna paint Manti as that phony and fraudulent just go all in and say this was a massive, cynical PR stunt from the get-go. 
 
Personally I don't think a lot of the other stuff we know about him is fake. He really does seem like a decent human who is most likely incapable of the psychotic attention hungry schemes we're attributing to him. I think he purposely invented this lie with his buddy and never thought it'd spread beyond his family/close friends, certainly not to the SI cover page level. But once ND got going and he got famous, he lost control and had to keep lying more and more.
The reason he would invent such a lie- I doubt it was for Heisman reasons. He had no reason to believe that he'd be a frontrunner in January of last year. If this girl had popped up mysteriously right before or after the MSU game then maybe, but this online paper trail goes way farther back.
My best guess would have to go back to the "closeted" idea just b/c it has potential answers to most evey question. He's already thousands of miles away from his parents, and if they keep asking him about girls and dating (no offense to anyone just wanna state the facts, but genearlly Mormons marry early, and Mormon/Catholic doctrine is anti-homosexual). Knowing this, he maybe thought an online gf would be enough to keep his family back home in Hawaii appeased. And maybe it worked for a few months, but eventually they're gonna wanna meet the girl, right? And you can only have so many "missed" meetings before it gets fishy. So he had to put her in the hospital with an accident so that there's an excuse (around this time his potential male bf also had a car accident - closted ppl often tell their parents details about their significant others lives but switch the gender pronouns). Car accident works fine on the family, and to keep it going he gives her Cancer since ppl evnetually recover from accidents but cancer buys him a lot more time. However, then ND gets off to a hot start and all of a sudden he's under a spotlight, panics b/c he's terrified that one day soon his parents or school will try to arrange for an "AJ MCCARRON" moment between him and his tragically sick GF, and decides to stage a scene where she dies so that he can get out of the corner he's painted himself in. Some of the initial reports say his grandmother died a day after. So maybe he just chose a random day early in the season to "klll" her off, and then Father Time screw with him and takes Grandma the day after his GF lie. And at that point he's screwed. 
 
 
 
 

Enzo's picture

He was in on it from the start. His dad, too based on his comments. I don't understand why everyone is so willing to give this guy the benefit of so little doubt. A liar always forgets the details and contradicts his lies. He did this so many times over. He tried to capitalize on this bogus story and got caught plain and simple.

Squirrel Master's picture

I have read everything from deadspin to SBT to ESPN. Not once did him or his dad stated anything that would implicate him to be in on it from the start. All interviews and comments have been after the death of the supposed girlfriend. Only statements outside of the Te'o family and Manti are from the teammates who state that he barely had a relationship with the online girl and that he likes attention. His own teammates believe he lied about the relationship and that he wasn't in love with her. Well if he wasn't really in love with her, then he obviously wouldn't care enough to go visit her, which can also be attributed to what some other teammates said that he hooked up with other girls on campus. There was an obvious hoax going on but there is nothing outside of him lying that he loved her that says he created her.
That is exactly what I am saying, he tried to capitalize on the bogus story, but that doesn't mean he created the bogus story.
I am just saying I am less willing to say that he was in on it from the start because it would take an extremely sick individual to perpitrate such a hoax to actually kill off his fake girlfriend with the same death as his grandmother on or around the day she died. Do you really understand how absolutely sick that would be? To say it is harder to understand what I said over what you are implicating is what I don't understand. To create a false identification online and do what he did would imply he is A. a very smart individual who is cunning and devious to the point that he fooled some of the most prying individuals in reporting (his on camera interview would be the utmost brilliant acting ever performed. Oscar worthy) and B. mentally deranged and someone to keep an eye out on at all times.
I just find it easier to believe he was duped and then took advantage of a media hype that would catapult him into stardom than a mastermind conartist!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Squirrel Master's picture

Then how to explain the girls he slept with on campus during the time of this supposed beard online girlfriend? The guy isn't gay.
He didn't go see her because he could care less about her until after she died. Think of it like this, if I said I am great friends with Michael Jordan. We hang out all the time. But then you knew that I just met him once and introduced myself to him. I would have been lying to what extent do I know Michael Jordan, not fabricating him.
Te'o did lie about what great couple they were,how much he loved her, how much they talked and the flowers that he supposedly sent to UH IDK. He could care less about her because all she does is filfull his need for adoration and egotism. Its like a groupy, rockstars like how they worship them but they don't care what happens to them. The hoax was perpitrated as a girl who loved watching him play and how handsome he is, just blowing up his ego. but as many have said before, the guy is a star football player for a major program. He can go get any girl he wants, and supposedly did.
It doesn't take a far stretch to realize he is an egotistical asshole that found a story that would make him look good and went with it, but had no idea she was a hoax.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

penult's picture

well if he did do it all, not only is he a really sick individual (who really makes up shit about a GF dying of the same thing your grandma is dying of. That would be just sick!) but he is also a mastermind. He had ESPN, YAHOO, TMZ and other major sports reporting organizations so bad that it is sheer genius.

This is hilarious, because if you have read about this, one of the top two or three things is how incredibly easy it was to get ESPN, Yahoo, SI, etc. to print the story.
Look at all the "little" red flags that Thamel noted, but ultimately ignored: couldn't find the girl in Lexis Nexis, couldn't find a death certificate or an obit, couldn't find record of the car crash (even with the date and the state, if not the city), couldn't find a record of her at Stanford, even though she had graduated, Te'o wasn't sure what year she graduated or what her major was, on and on and on.
You act like he act like Te'o masterminded his way into the KGB and scored the greatest counter intel heist of all time.  Yeah, it was sooo hard to fool these reporters who were falling all over themselves to report this story. 
The reason your scenario is the only one that makes sense to you is because you frame all the other scenarios like a strawman argument.  Sure your scenario is plausible, but Te'o making up the GF and her death is equally as plausible as someone else making it up.  You really think someone else making up all this stuff and breathing on the phone for 8 hours a day, getting someone else to pretend to be a nurse and the brother, and talking to him on the phone for years is more plausible than Te'o being in on it and making it up?

Squirrel Master's picture

See that is where you are not listening to what I am saying, he wasn't on the phone with anyone! He lied about the phone calls, the flowers, the interaction outside of online chatting. He exagerrated his relationship completely. There was no breathing on the phone for 8 hours.
Mastermind is heavy handed but it is quite the tail to put together by Manti himself and to fool all those entities like he would have. Journalists are paid to investigate this stuff and especially TMZ which lives outside in garbage cans to get pictures of Brittany Spears breast feeding her baby. You are telling me the most heartfelt story in college football, sports which TMZ is supposedly pushing real hard to become a leader in sports gossip, doesn't get one of these places to look into this until now? I myself even went, really his girlfriend and grandmother both died on the same day? what is the likelyhood of that happening? and the same death.
Again you have to listen, I am saying he created and concocted the whole relationship part, but not the fake identity online. Nor had anything to do with it. and with the link on the comment a few above this, furthur proves that Te'o was duped by a hoax that got many other people as well.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

OldColumbusTown's picture

And this is where I am saying - if he did indeed embellish this relationship to the degree you are suggesting, does it really absolve him at all of anything in comparison to making the entire thing up?  The making up a girlfriend/friend/acquaintance is one thing, but the most sickening thing would be drumming up the sob story to gain attention and sympathy from the nation.
At least that's my opinion.
Whether he concocted the story or not, if he took it as an opportunity for attention and perpetuated the story well past its significant end, then he's just as guilty to me.

Squirrel Master's picture

no way. Thinking that someone really did die but lying about how much of a relationship you had with her is way different than creating a story about a girlfriend that had Leukemia when his own grandmother, who supposedly he was very close with, is much more sick than lying about a relationship. I don't know how you can say they are practically the same.
If you are saying lying is lying, well then yes. but the lie itself is very much different. One can be done by someone who just wants attention and thought if he played along with what the media already thought he would look good, the other is a sick individual who would make up such a bad story.
Could you imagine what it would take to know that you have a relative that you truly do love without a doubt is dying of something that is really horrible, and then make a joke of it by doing this? That is absolutely horrible and much more worst than just saying he did love someone when he didn't.
and I am not saying he is innocent. You can look at all my comments on the matter. He is lying about something, what we don't really know. I am just saying it is more plausible to make up a story about loving someone more than you did than to create a persona online and all the details involved. I can easily sit her and tell a tale of lovers sitting on the phone, and the slightest sounds would make my heart jump because I can sense that she is there on the other side, whispering into my ear, but I can't sit down and workout a name, life, history, family and backstory.
and for what gain again? He had everything to gain with exaggerating a relationship to gain media attention. He had nothing to gain for creating a fake girlfriend in 2009. He just lied about the stuff that made him look good, which you would expect from an egotist!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

penult's picture

Thinking that someone really did die but lying about how much of a relationship you had with her is way different than creating a story about a girlfriend that had Leukemia when his own grandmother, who supposedly he was very close with, is much more sick than lying about a relationship. 

You are conveniently ignoring that Tuiasosopo is a friend, and even a distant relative, of Manti.  Either Manti made up this horrible lie or his friend did.  A friend making up that lie would be just as messed up.  But we know that someone did.  Someone who certainly appears to have a neuropathic greed for attention is less likely to make it up than a friend/relative?  Either one of them made it up or both did, but you most certainly have not laid out an infallible logical argument to eliminate two of those three possibilities.
I'm not an expert psychologist, and it doesn't sound like you are either (no offense).  So I'll wait for the experts to weigh in on whether Te'o is just an "egotist" or what to specifically expect from an egotist or whatever characteristics they perceive in him. 
 

Squirrel Master's picture

Tuiasosopo is only a family friend. Every article says that. No distant relatives! and just because he is a family friend doesn't mean when he became a family friend. Show me something that states specifically that Tuiasosopo was his friend at any date before he supposedly started the relationship with Kekua. Tuiasosopo was supposedly the one communicating with Te'o online, so he could easily have told Te'o about himself through Lennay and Lennay's persona introduced them. If you can find something that disproves that they met outside of the hoax, then I will agree with you.
No offense, but what do you think you know about me and what I do. Maybe I am an expert psychologist who is retired. Maybe I am a retired police detective and I understand how these hoax are perpitrated.
or maybe it is really possible that a male athlete likes attention and when the opportunity presented itself, he went along despite knowing that the real story is a hoax.
you have not provided me with anything that says he was actually involved, just speculation. I have provided stories from teammates saying he wasn't in a real relationship, recent stories that said Tuiasosopo admitted to duping Te'o and he knows nothing which makes my story much more plausible.
So instead of attacking my theory, go prove yours to me! if you can.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

NC_Buckeye's picture

Plus it appears that Te'o and his agent, Tom Condon of CAA, have elected to not respond at this time any further than the statement that was released during the ND press conference.
Even Forde is now saying that Te'o has to publicly answer some of these questions relating to the multiple discrepencies that have popped up. Swarbrick is basically saying the same thing.

"It is in the Te'o family's court,'' he said. ''We are very much encouraging them. I hope by the time people are listening to this they have made themselves available to explain and to take questions, because we think that's in everybody's interest. It's certainly our expectation at Notre Dame that they would do that."

However, Deadspin alludes to the fact that ND might have a different motivation for him speaking publicly about the hoax.

"A source" is vague, but it's pretty obviously coming from the Notre Dame camp. (As a general rule, your sportswriters have more connections with programs than they do with individual players.) There are two ways to look at this leak. First is damage control, an attempt to assure the public they they would have fessed up eventually, instead of hoping it went away without anyone looking further into it.

The second would be a clear indication Notre Dame is trying to distance itself from Manti Te'o. He's not ours anymore. He hired an agent. Anything he wanted to or wants to admit to the public, it's on him. Considering Notre Dame hasn't committed any violations, maybe distance is the university's new PR strategy.

 

Squirrel Master's picture

Manti and his family definitely have to answer questions. Sounds like Notre Dame knows the truth through their investigation, not from Manti himself, and believes the hoax was real but there is obviously something they want Manti to fess up to. He absolutely lied, about what I have a feeling we will know soon!
 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

buckeyedude's picture

 


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If I hear one more theory on Te'o's imaginary girlfriend I think my head is going to asplode.
 

 

 

Squirrel Master's picture

Yeah dude but mine ended up pretty spot on from what Manti is now saying. He admits to lying about meeting here and I think he is still lying and didn't love her as much as he says. Although another thought I had was that for first couple of years he didn't love her but just communicated with her. Then the accident, discovery of illness and death, he probably fell in love then. 
 
Either way, its looking like at the very least he was duped at first. When he discovered anything or started lying, who knows yet. I still don't think tuiasosopo is taking the fall at all. Fall for what, media scrutiny. He did nothing illegal. Plus it was obvious Manti knew tuiasosopo through the interaction with lennay.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Jack Fu's picture

In the bits and pieces that I did watch, he came across as a man who had rehearsed coming across as sincere, but failed miserably when it came time to perform.

Totally agree. Over-rehearsed and hilariously insincere.
Oh and when I read this:

BUT IS SHE FROM THERE?!

I nearly pissed myself.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

god, just had a whole other heart attack watching the purdue game replay. it was such an improbable situation when you go back and analyze it. woof what a year.

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

okiebuck's picture

Jeez Manti; my daughter used to have an imaginary friend when she was like three, give it up man; and Lance Notstrong is and has always been a horses ass! The real question is; did the PED's give him the cancer??
Watching Kenny G lead the Bucks to the W never gets old; thanks Elika!

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

Alhan's picture

I was skeptical of Pacino playing Paterno when I first heard about it, but after seeing the comparison picture in the Skully, I gotta say, I think he can pull it off.
Shave the goatee, cut the hair, prosthetic nose, and goofy glasses, and you've got yourself a spitting image.  (Fake jowls optional)

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Wonder who'll play Sandusky's role. I wouldn't want that role if I were an actor.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

thatlillefty's picture

I bet Nicolas Cage would.

bukyze's picture

Looks like Pacino has had some Jerry Jones plastic surgery done.

Charlotte Buckeye Chip's picture

SI: The funeral service was in Carson? At 9 a.m., a closed casket?

TE'O: Yes. The family was telling me, what the plans were and at 9 they closed the casket and stuff like that.
He doesn't even know what "closed casket" means?  I thought you had to be smart to go to ND?  Obviously I was mistaken.  This kid sounds pretty dumb.

~Charlotte Buckeye Chip

EvanstonBuckeye's picture

"Closed the casket and stuff like that"? Touching.
Your last line nailed it, though, and should be the mantra that everyone repeats before they click on, turn up the volume for, or adjust their radio dial to any future Te'o stories: the kid appears to be a box of rocks upstairs.

onetwentyeight's picture

BUTTTTT  they only recruit kids who meet their HIGH academic standards, unlike us PLEBIAN State School stupids. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

Plus a million for the sarcasm. Oh and to be more specific, not "bad citizens" and "criminals" like the recruits that Ohio State goes after. According to a certain Notre Dame alumnus.
BTW, Allen Pinkett's apology to Ohio State seemed like an after-thought.

chitown buckeye's picture

 Manti answered the questions like Tressel! Tressel may have been coaching him on how to interview. Talk but dont give any answers. Brilliant! 

"I'm having a heart attack!"

BuckeyesMJ's picture

If Manti's football career doesn't work out, perhaps he could one day pitch for the Yankees.

Catfish Teo

GoBucks713's picture

For the other Chivers out there, this whole Te'o thing feels like Dave on Weels, but it went on for much much longer because people didn't look into it, they just liked the story, and an entire nation got burned for it. It's sickening. I live life by 4 rules: 1) Treat people better than you want to be treated 2) Don't look for what you don't want to see 3) NEVER rub another Man's rhubarb 4) If I haven't met you face to face, you don't exist. This also just proves that we as a society love to see people fall from grace.

-The Aristocrats!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

#3 is just fu(king beautiful.
"You ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light?"

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

No matter how much time passes(what's it been, 20+ years?) the moment I hear that, my mind immediately goes to Batman.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

GoBucks713's picture

And that's why Jack Nicholson will always be greater than Heath Ledger as the Joker. Burton's Joker had style and Intelligence with a pinch of insane, much like the comic. Nolan's Joker was just Insane and Intelligent, and a complete anarchist.  I'm more a fan of Burton's Batman movies than Nolan's. After Burton left, we all know that the franchise turned into a shipwreck.

-The Aristocrats!

rgarrett22's picture

Wow, I couldn't disagree more.  Jack Nicholson's joker was absolutely hokey compared to Ledger's just like Burton's Batman movies are compared to Nolan's.

I have never heard anyone make a case for Burton Batman > Nolan Batman. I am truly dumbfounded.

GoBucks713's picture

I think for me it's more about it being a comic book movie. I don't like real feeling comic movies. I like the fantasy factor. That's what comics are. Fantasy. I don't want Batman in a real world setting. I want him in a place that couldn't really exist. That's what comics were for me growing up, a disconnect from a reality that I didn't particularly like. Plus, I want the Joker, not a caricature of Tom Waits on acid.

-The Aristocrats!

rgarrett22's picture

Well I definitely understand where you are coming from after you explain it like that. If you aren't a fan of real feeling comic movies, then I totally get it.

GoBucks713's picture

I think the only one that felt real that I liked was the Watchmen, and that really is only because I was such a geek about those books. I hated how they changed the ending, but I guess they had to because of the way they changed some smaller things in the movie. I hope Snyder gets it right with Man Of Steel though. Supes needs to finally have a good movie. Don't get me wrong, the first two were great in their own way, but now that the technology is there, the boy scout needs a big time movie. Superman Returns wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either. I think if Singer had gone with a different villain, it would have been better. Lex Luthor is Superman's best bad guy, but we had the technology to actually see Superman showcase his powers. And I don't count lifting up that continent of kryptonite, which was just as bad as jumping the shark or nuking the fridge.

-The Aristocrats!

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Co-sign this

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TBDBITL0509's picture

I read this aloud to the lady... jaws to the floor for at least 10 seconds. Just beautiful, Elika!

There's something about jumping out of a plane that makes you feel like you can do anything, but then you realize that there are people out there that supposedly give "love of my life" status to someone they've never met, Skyped, or FaceTimed with. You put my bravery to shame, Manti.

 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Intentionally jumping out of a perfectly fine airplane is not brave. That is insane.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Elika's picture

Any more so than getting in a big hunk of metal and racing down the freeway at 80mph?

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Huh? The speed limit in C-bus is 70mph. So yeah, going 80mph is insane as well.

Anyway, it's necessary to go on the freeway. Can't say the same about jumping out of plane. Unless you're James Bond.

Like I said before, heights are not my thing. How i've been talked into going to Cedar Point or Kings Island still amazes me.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

unknownmusketeer's picture

The Delorean required 88 mph to activate the time travel flux capacitor.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I know. That comment was directed at the person above him.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

penult's picture

Would somebody good at photoshop please replace Mark Wahlberg with Manti Te'o on the Ted poster? And maybe change the title to te'o?

 
HOW HAS NOBODY ELSE SEEN THIS?

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Because it's a Red X?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

penult's picture

Couldn't edit, so I'll try again:

 
 

Maestro's picture

"I don't know. she had a lot of different injuries."
After reading Thamel's full transcripts I think he is the one who was catfished.  There are so many holes in Te'o's answers on top of the fact that Thamel couldn't find ANY information about the girlfriend.  How does any reference to the girlfriend become part of the story?

vacuuming sucks

tennbuckeye19's picture

Yeah. Thamel even says himself, in the interview, as he's hearing Te'o tell the story, "This is unbelievable." Well, yeah it was cause it wasn't real.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Classic case of not wanting the facts to get in the way of a "good" story....Whatever happened to journalism?

causeicouldntgo43's picture

It was definately a strange week. My take on Teo? There is some truth to his "version", he may have initially been duped and that is what Swarbuck is emphasizing - trying to "influence" the narrative in the media.
Some of the best liars I've worked with in the corporate world always had some truth embedded into what they were spinning, so it always made it difficult to totally expose their dishonesty. I suspect that the ND "investigation" uncovered the initial "duping" of Teo and that was good enough to assemble the microphones and get out ahead of the anything else that would come out later.
Agree with Elika on Lance-lot. Who gives two craps? Now I see why Sheryl Crow left his sorry ass - and here I thought their breakup was because she advocated only using one square sheet of toilet paper.....
If you are into thrills like jumping out of planes, you could have saved yourself some money by driving through South Central at night in a convertable yelling "Crips suck!"
Here's my idea for a West Coast version of our beloved "Michigan Clock":  "It's been 736 days since Lane Kiffin was hired as USC's coach and he still sucks"
Best thing about the Urban Swag video - seeing that stupid big ass Purdue kettle drum rolling (skulking) the other way down the field as the throng in the South stands (I was there!) gets pumped up by Urban's fist pumps
Always enjoy your skully Elika - Anybody else here think Elika makes Erin Andrews look like the poser she really is?

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Erin Andrews sets the bar really low. It's like hearing Olivia Munn talking about video games.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

LadyBuck's picture

God, I create more realistic characters for my books than Te'o's GF. That's sad.

WiliestBuckeye's picture

Honestly, I really couldn't care less about who is or isn't Manti Teo's girlfriend. I have no idea how this got so blown up, its not the first example of sloppy journalism the world has ever known. When I saw the guy from ND crying over this I stated crying myself... because I was laughing so hard. I really don't understand why this is such a big deal to everyone.

"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment."

Goose's picture

I'm with you.  How the hell is this sports news.  It sounds like something that belongs in the National Enquirer.

nickma71's picture

Like sands through the hour glass, so are the Days of Our Lives.