Thursday Skull Session

By Chris Lauderback on January 17, 2013 at 6:00a
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So, yesterday was pretty cool if you are one of the good people on Earth that don't mind seeing Notre Dame squirm in embarrassment. 

You've heard the story by now; you know, the one where the current face of the school, Manti Te'o, was reportedly the victim of an elaborate hoax in which he thought his girlfriend, Lennay Kekua – you know, the one who Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick says Te'o never met in person – was a real girl that died of leukemia last September 12th before coming back to life last December to give Te'o the good news. 

While Swarbrick, and by extension Notre Dame, held an hourlong presser last night, defending Te'o to the fullest, Deadspin isn't so sure based on their own investigation. Their article goes so far as to publish comments from one person connected to the investigation as saying he's ""80 percent sure" that Manti Te'o was "in on it" and that the intention was publicity. 

The only thing certain right now is that inconsistencies abound and this saga is far from dead. 

Swarbrick clearly feels like Te'o was duped or else he'd be a fool to go on national television and tear up as he lamented Te'o's likely inability to ever trust and love on such a high level ever again. 

But if Te'o truly is the victim here, and told Swarbrick point blank he had never actually met the girl in person, then why is his father, Brian Te'o, quoted as saying the following in a South Bend Tribune article dated October 12, 2012 that has since been removed from the site (cached version here): 

"They started out as just friends," Brian Te'o said. "Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there. But within the last year, they became a couple. And we came to the realization that she could be our daughter-in-law. Sadly, it won't happen now."

Further, the South Bend Tribune, way back in 2009, wrote that Kekua and Te'o had met in person, though Te'o sang a different tune to Swarbrick. 

And how does a guy who is supposedly as good as gold and of the highest character not make it a point to attend her funeral? The initial reports claimed the funeral was the date of the Michigan State game but how could someone of his alleged character not at least take a trip to pay his respects or visit with his girlfriend's family either before of after? 

Swarbrick said he thought Te'o would step in front of the microphone sometime Thursday. Pass the popcorn. 

UNIVERSITY OF SWINGING CHILDREN. The only negative to the whole Te'o situation is that it is hogging all the bad press when there's a perfectly good dumpster fire in SoCal to douse with gasoline. 

A couple days ago, it was high school coach Kurt Bruich fanning the flames as he stood up for Kyle Fitts, his four-star defensive end. Fitts committed to USC last April and was set to enroll at USC in January. In prep, Fitts met with USC coaches on January 5 at the US Army All-American Bowl but things changed quickly:

Two days later, on Jan. 7, USC told Fitts that it would not have a spot available for him in the spring. As a result, the coaching staff said Fitts would have to defer his enrollment until the fall semester. While Fitts' scholarship wasn't pulled, it was pushed back. More than that, Fitts received the news just three days before he was set to enroll.

Sticking up for his player, Bruich spoke his mind about Lane Kiffin:

"Recruiting man, it's crazy. He's wanted to go to USC for as long as he can remember and now he feels betrayed. He did everything he was supposed to do from his end and he was a loyal kid. I think they thought because of that loyalty he'd still want to go there. He said to me 'What am I supposed to do for the next five months?' It seems shady. I think it seems shady to everyone."

And later on Twitter: 

"When people are desperate, their true colors show. Take the USC coach, captain of an underachieving ship. His true color: SHADY!"

Fitts makes four blue chips to say sayonara to Kiffin since November. 

Along with the backlash from the Fitts saga, Kiffin is also dealing with reports of a fight in the locker room, including as many as 15 players, following the beatdown in the Sun Bowl. Even worse, it's not like the fight was between the QB and WR squabbling over a girl; reportedly, the altercation came about as some freshmen challenged the seniors on their shoddy leadership during the season and a mailed-in effort in the bowl loss to Georgia Tech. 

Scott Wolf gathered quotes from a few players:

"It was one of the worst things I've seen in a locker room," said a player who did not wish to be identified.

Freshman offensive tackle Zach Banner did not wish to discuss the incident but said, "It's going to be a whole new family atmosphere next season and you can quote me on that. For the seniors, it's terrible."

Meanwhile, Matt Barkley and Kiffin both made comments downplaying the incident but it seems clear things got out of hand. That happens, and if even the story was blown out of proportion, it's still another log on the fire that keeps my heart warm at night. 

BIANCHI'S BACK. The Orlando Troll, Mike Bianchi, has launched another potshot at Urban Meyer, this time on the topic of Chris Rainey and his recent release from the Steelers after he was arrested on battery charges in Gainesville:

I never thought I'd see the day where the NFL would take a stronger stance on player discipline then our intercollegiate institutions of higher earning, er, learning.

Then again, when Urban Meyer is involved, it's not really so surprising.

Former Gators running back Chris Rainey was cut by the Pittsburgh Steelers after being arrested for allegedly hitting his girlfriend last week  Yes, the same Chris Rainey who threatened to kill his girlfriend via his infamous "Time to die" text message at UF three years ago. UF originally suspended Rainey, but Meyer allowed him back on the team a few weeks later so he could help the Gators win a big game against Georgia.

The way he writes, you'd think Rainey barely missed any action for the Gators three years ago following the first incident. In reality, Rainey, arrested September 14, 2010, missed five games including matchups against Alabama and LSU. Hard to believe Meyer wouldn't want Rainey back for those two matchups if it was important he play against Georgia. 

In the latest incident, Rainey's lawyer shared an email from the player's girl in which she said she was not assaulted, that charges should be dropped and that the officers on the scene found no marks on the woman's face. 

Now, I'm certainly not going to say Chris Rainey's a good guy but that doesn't excuse the latest hit piece from The Man with the Golden Grudge. You'd think Urban Pitino'd his wife or something. 

RIP, Lennay Kekua. We promise you'll never be forgotten

 PHLIP KELLY. Even Chip Kelly climbing into bed with the Eagles after weeks of flirting as the Oregon faithful waited in limbo couldn't knock Te'o off the front page. 

Last Saturday, it looked as if Kelly to Philly was likely dead but just days later, days Kelly spent in the homes of recruits in hopes of luring them to Eugene, Kelly was tabbed as Andy Reid's replacement. 

Through the Buckeye lens, two things immediately jumped to mind. First, were there any recruits Urban could pilfer? And second, could Kelly's departure, by the blessed hand of the college football gods, signal an upcoming heel stomp to the genitals of the Oregon football program? 

On the recruiting front, Dallas Jackson notes Oregon was already looking at a small class of roughly 13, a number that could decrease by signing day. One possible defection could be in the form of Dontre Wilson to Ohio State. Urban's been making eyes at Wilson and reports indicate OSU overtures have ramped up since James Quick verballed to Louisville during the US Army All-American game. 

Jackson on Wilson:

According to his head coach Claude Mathis, the four-star back will take visits to other programs while remaining a soft commitment to the Ducks. Mathis told Rivals.com that he expected Wilson to visit Ohio State this coming weekend and may also be considering Notre Dame and Clemson for future visits.

Keep up with Alex, Miles, Derek and the rest of the 11W recruiting crew as signing day inches ever closer. 

As with Wilson, it remains to be seen if the NCAA hammer will fall on the Ducks, thanks to their shady dealings with street agent Willie Lyles

META. Here we grows again. About a month ago, we posted the Intern opportunity of a lifetime and after weighing the submissions of no less than 30 stellar applications, we're please to announce Grant Miller has been called upon to serve as our Helfand Distinguished Raconteur-Scholar Intern for spring semester 2013. 

A Centerville lad, Grant is a journalism major who also contributes to Scarlet and Gray Radio. Besides catching him on the Twitter, you can find him taking care of our Around The Oval feature that revs back up Friday. Grant will also help out attending the various press events in addition to darning our socks, waxing our backs, and the like. 

Please welcome him to our little endeavor. We're excited to bring him aboard. 

HERE'S SOME OTHER STUFF. YouTube HOF: Best Acceptance Speeches... Denard will play WR in Senior Bowl... The Greatest College Football Highlight Film Ever...  John L. Smith lands at...Fort Lewis CoLOLege...  The 42 Best Moments on "The Maury Show" (you're welcome, and I'm sorry)... Tom Crean is such a cranky... 24 People You Do Not Want To Get In A Fight With... An opinion on how newly proposed recruiting rules changes would further complicate the process... RIP, Mr. Drummond.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

So Bama beat Notre Dame so bad it knocked Te'o's girl out of existence. As if Saban's ego wasn't already big enough.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

popeurban's picture

This is what get me, this whole thing is the craziest ever.

Swarbrick clearly feels like Te'o was duped or else he'd be a fool to go on national television and tear up as he lamented Te'o's likely inability to ever trust and love on such a high level ever again.

AcrossTheField11's picture

I wouldn't be suprised for one minute if this was all drummed up by the people at Notre Dame for publicity and to create the next "Rudy" type of feel-good story. 
Swarbrick has to be behind Te'o 110% for fear that as his name is sullied in the media and court of public opinion, he'll turn on ND and give them up for being the catalyst to the whole concoted story.
Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but we've seen universities stoop to much much lower levels than this to "protect" or "promote" a universities image.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

NC_Buckeye's picture

The South Bend Tribune is pulling articles from their website that discussed the "deceased" "girlfriend". Really?
So the South Bend Tribune from this time forward should be questioned as a source of information. They've lost all journalistic credibility.
Makes me appreciate papers like the Dispatch, Plain Dealer, and Beacon Journal.

ajbosu1's picture

You nailed it. News outlets such as ESPN, SI, NBC...they ALL missed the story hoax?
It is an indictment of journalism in this country.
As Ramzy noted on Twitter (paraphrasing): since Tressel lied about petty cash and tatts we've had 1. Miami hookers aborting pregnancies 2. Sandusky 3. Hoax of Te'O.
Crazy times we live in.
And it is great to be a Buckeye. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

I agree but my point is that the SBT is scrubbing their site of stories where they reported facts that are now in question as to Te'o's credibility. To my knowledge ESPN, SI, NBC, etc are not doing that.
The South Bend Tribune essentially is breaking one of the core rules of the journalism. This makes me think that the paper is little more than the propoganda arm of ND. Anyone remember Pravda?

TNbuckeye91's picture

Alas, I must come clean. I held an over the phone relationship with manti. When he found out I was a guy, he cried his little heart out and said I died. Sad sad sad. My only regret is not meeting him on the mtv show catfish.

Killer nuts's picture

"The man with the golden grudge" - Classic. I can't help but laugh a little every time Bianchi writes this nonsense, it's pathetic in a sad but adorable way

Killer nuts's picture

I can already see ND fans making excuses: Te'o finds out he's the victim of a hoax during bowl prep and it distracted him so he played poorly and thats why they lost...

Buckeyeneer's picture

Damn. The weirdest story I have heard in a long time.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

Go Bucks's picture

I hope Te'o gets a different tv time slot than Armstrong/Oprah! Too much fake drama!

LouGroza's picture

We will now have guys like Pat Forde, King Turd, writing about how Te'o was duped. He pushed this kid unbelievably hard for the Heisman from the middle of the season on, usually mentioning how he had the great "story" to go along with his FB credentials. Of course the story was the personal losses. There are far too many inside lies. His father, Te'o himself, and interviews that just scream fraud. This got out of hand far sooner than they thought it would. They should come out ASAP stating as much or he will be fried in public.  

kevinfrenchfry's picture

i am loving this right now, i personally hate nd and said all year jarvis jones AND RDS were better than teo and the only reason he was so recognized was because of the deaths and his EASY interceptions.  hes not that fast and hes not that badass and he clearly isn't the best tackler, just ask eddie lacy. Mark schlereth addressed his draft stock and i believe this is going to be very detrimental.  whether he was duped or not it raises questions about his social health when he carries on something like this.  some may be on the side of that weird online crap, but imo if you have never seen/touched the person your relationship isnt real, romantic or not.  However, i dont even think that matters because it is my belief he was in on it.  the problem i had with this is that story helped drive the notre dame narrative aka more people watched aka more $$$ was made.  her "death" made teo are far more valuable commodity than he already was

Baroclinicity's picture

Congrats, Grant Miller!
Speaking of Helfand, where is he now?  Don't see him post on here.  I knew he left a while back, but figured he'd post every now and then.
Don't see much of DJ either...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Maestro's picture

Yes, congrats and do work.

vacuuming sucks

Normal Buck's picture

Free Brian Te'o.  C'mon guys, it's not like he's some rogue "mentor"/businessman from Manti's hometown.

bukyze's picture

If the entire Teo story ends up being true, then that dumbass Swarbrick should go down with the ship.  Between the smoke and mirrors of the student videographer's death, and now this, he's starting to make Gene Smith look like Socrates.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Gene Smith shouldn't be in the same sentence as him. I know people want to harp on him not skipping the Gator bowl, but it's not that serious.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

bukyze's picture

In all honesty, it has nothing to do with the Gator Bowl.  The Gator Bowl itself, the BCS, pretty much everyone under the sun was pressuring him to go.  I don't hold that against him at all.  It was his public demeanor during the whole ordeal.  He was cocky that nothing would happen, and painted OSU in a bad light.  That was my main beef with him.  His PR skills are horrendous.

Doc's picture

His PR skills are horrendous.

Gene went to Notre Lame.  That's where he got his PR skeeelllzzz.
 
 
 

"Say my name."

buckeyedude's picture

Forgot that. It explains a lot.

 

 

asinghal31's picture

Don't forget the Lizzy Seeberg story too.

Nutbuck1959's picture

How can you call someone your "girlfriend" if you have never actually met? I guess I'm REALLY behind as far as technology goes!

popeurban's picture

Seems like there might have been a girl he did meet... See AZ Cardinals FB who claims to have met her.
Mike Greenberg on ESPN radio killing it.

AllDay028's picture

A girl who looked different then the stolen pictures on the twitter he was following of her? He couldn't tell the difference between the stolen pictures and the girl he met? Huh?

CaliforniaBuckeyeGirl's picture

This is exactly what I was thinking.  Te'o also claimed to have met her in person.  As the girl in the photos says she has never met Te'o, you'd think he would have noticed that the girl he met (assuming the alleged hoax was so complex that they sent some girl to Hawaii to perpetuate it) was not the same as the one in the pics.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Darnell Dockett tweeted her too?  Oh wait wrong position.

Class of 2010.

Dougger's picture

Skype?! Anybody?!!!! Te'o?!?!?

I like football

oregonianbuckeye's picture

"Lane Kiffin's true color: shady." Hilarious. I love the idea of shady as a color. I think it very closely resembles the colors 'Lyles', 'Te'o' and 'Newton'.

Citrus's picture

There is no way T'eo wasn't in on it. Obvi he never met the girl in person. He never met her family. There were no flights to Hawaii. At the absolute least, he embelished the hell out of his relationship with an internet troll.

Think about it, one of the most famous football players in the country and you have a relationship with a girl you have NEVER seen???? There are plenty of in-the-flesh-girls around but you fall in love with a girl you've never seen.

Further, what about text messages? Phone calls? Skype? Facetime? You know, all the things people in long distance relationships do.

Citrus's picture

Sorry about the double negative :-)

RedStorm45's picture

It's allegedly the most dedicated "Catfish" ever. Phone calls every night on a death bed?

RedStorm45's picture

Was it Maestro who posted about the game ball following her "death" since manti was supposed to take it to her/her family?

Maestro's picture

There was a link to video of it in the Deadspin story.

vacuuming sucks

AndyVance's picture

The latest from LMK, back from the dead:

AndyVance's picture

Here's the thing that really irks me - the South Bend Tribune is one of the members of the press who really got the ball rolling on the "legend" of Manti Te'o re: Lennay Kekua. Now that it appears to be a well-orchestrated hoax for reasons as yet unknown they scrub their website of all that content?
That's a big no-no in journalism 101.
It's one thing for the hoaxsters to delete Tweets and so on, but a newspaper should not be whitewashing its own coverage in some obvious CYA effort. Shame on you, Tribune.

prdoctor's picture

Agreed. Among my many questions is why in the hell they would do that? Are they just the house organ for Notre Dame football? How Orwellian is that?

NC_Buckeye's picture

That was my initial thought too Andy.
And please don't be duped by ND's spin 11W'ers. There are so many holes in this story; Te'o was clearly in on it. There was a story in which he claimed to have sent white roses to her funeral. Then he delivered the Michigan (or MSU?) game ball to her. Then his father says they'd meet up in Hawaii when Manti came home from school.
The fact that the South Bend Tribune is willing to delete these stories is a testament to the Irish's ability to cover-up bad news. If I were the Seeburg family, I'd be setting up interviews with the press right now.

avail31678's picture

Agreed.  Here's my other problem.  He said he couldn't visit her right around when she died because he had a game to play in - but couldn't he have gone up a day or two before, or a day after the game to pay respects??  It looks so manufactured, her tweet that basically said, "Don't come see me, you need to play in your game, honor me on the field." 
There's so many possiblities here.  But I think he was in on it. 

AllDay028's picture

There is a 0% chance that Teo wasn't some way in the know or involved with the hoax. He still talked about her in an interview on Jan 3rd even though ND said they knew about it as far back as christmas.

Buster Bluth's picture

0% chance? Well this happens often enough for a documentary, and a spin-off TV show to be made.

It is well known that Manti is not a partier or a typical college football player in terms of the stereotypical lifestyle. He is a Mormon, and the stereotypes of being somewhat boring in terms of romantic relationships definitely apply to Manti. That much is fact. The kid is a virgin at 22 and by all accounts very, very quiet about his relationships.

He's a Mormon Samoan living in northern fucking Indiana. A beautiful, intelligent (Stanford), super-spiritual babe reaches out to you via twitter...you're going to be intriqued. This girl had a voice and a picture--and yeah, it's weird. it's 10/10 weird no doubt--and that's all you really need if you're talking to a girl who lives in California while you live in Notre Dame being an absurdly small minority.

I can totally buy how he embellished "meeting" her at the Stanford game, afterall who wants to admit that as an all-american football player who have to resort to an internet relationship? NO ONE wants to bring that up. And honestly, if she was real and she really died, his talking about meeting her is a harmless (weird) white lie. But I can totally see how it CAN look like he was in on it and simply not covering his tracks.

We do know some facts: we know that she "was diagnosed" with luekemia IN JUNE. You're telling me he planted that ahead of time knowing he was going to have a once-in-a-generation linebacker Heisman campaign? Come on now. We also know that he repeatedly asked Stanford players in 2010 if they knew his friend at the university. You can see the tweet from Matthew Masifolo ('10 Stanford alumnus and Tampa Bay player) to verify.

Maybe I'm crazy but I can see the one-in-a-billion chance that a shy alone Mormon Samoan meets a babe online and they kit it off via phone and boom! she's in a car crash and you're super religious and eat it up. Then boom! she has cancer and the chaos only builds a relationshup exponentially.

I think it's more likely that someone regarded BY EVERYONE to be an absolutely paragon of a human being got duped and catfish'd, and for him to be some omniscient mastermind and/or mentally ill and, generally speaking, be a monster. I think it's more likely that Notre Dame's group of lawyers (some of the finest in the country out of Chicago) and their private investigators found evidence online, then simply electing to double-down on a bad hand.

Use your fucking brain and look at the facts, is basically what I'm saying.

 

onetwentyeight's picture

And she's the love of your life suffering from terminal illness and close to death at any moment but you never 
1. try to fly out and SEE her once
2. short of that, try to SEE HER FACE once, via Facetime/skype/webcam
3. attend her funeral
4. pay your respects to her/her family (WHO U MENTIONED ON NATL TV) sometime after the funeral. 
5. pin down/remember the exact DATE of her death clearly. Lemme just say I know people who have lost their significant others in college and it's not something you forget. 
 
 
It stinks bro. He's not a monster just because he was in on this. Lots of other explanations where he's a decent person who let a small deception develop beyond his control (gay beard coverup that got out of hand, etc). 

Buster Bluth's picture

The Skype thing is what gets me. That's really the only thing I can't understand.

I can get the not seeing her, by all acounts they were just friends for the longest time. It's also important to note that when this first came out it was a "close friend of Te'o's" and I personally wonder if that snowballed. I can see Te'o lying childishly to even his parents, not wanting the shame of a relationship solely on the internet.

He didn't attend the funeral because she told him to concentrate on the season--hell she wrote him pre-made letters that he read before each game (SUPER WEIRD in retrospect haha), but I do remember reading that he went somewhere over the bye week. We shall see.

I should state for the record haha that I am not 100% behind Te'o. Hell for all we know Te'o is duping Notre Dame too and they will disown him in the near future. Regardless of how this goes down, Notre Dame isn't at fault. I am only saying that there is a >0% chance that this is a legitimate hoax. To say it's 0% is asinine.

onetwentyeight's picture

Also the death date mixup. If the love of your life who you love so very much blah blah dies, wouldn't you remember that clearly? Wouldn't you absolutely remember basic minimal facts like what day it happened on? Since you know, trauma, memory being seared, death, loss, tragedy, etc? 
The fact that he kept mixing those dates up is just beyond me.

AllDay028's picture

Yes, I will look at the facts. Of course 0% is a little hyperbole, i'll give you a pass on not understanding that, so I'll give you your 1 in a billion chance. But here are the facts:
1) He claims to have met her multiple times. In hawaii, at Stanford, with an Arizona Cardinals player, etc. Now he's saying he never did. But, who was this person that the Arizona Cardinals player supposedly met or that his parents said was in Hawaii with them? Are they lying or was there really a person there that he met?
2) So, lets assume they are also not part of the plan and that they actually met/saw/were around when this girl came. How is it possible that Te'o was able to bring a girl around and spend time with her and then NOT recgonize that the twitter account he was folllowing had diferent pictures. Does he have extreme face blindness? Is he actually blind?
3) Ok, lets take the other path. He never met this girl, ever, not once. Who did the Cardinals player meet? Who did his parents see him going out with? Where was he going when he was in Hawaii and would tell his parents he was going out with her? Who was he with then? Was he lying to them that a girl was around and she wasn't? Why would he risk his cover?
4) Notwithstanding that you can't answer 2 and 3, lets go on. Why is he still tweeting her and talking about her in interviews AFTER December 26th? Because, supposedly, he told Notre Dame on the 26th that he was duped.
5) Why did the family fail to cooperate with Gene Wojchieski when he tried to reach out to them? They wouldn't give him pictures, they wouldn't give him contact info for her family, they didn't answer his questions when asked why he couldn't find an obit, etc. Why act so shady for such a public story?
6) Maybe the most damning part, why is that the supposed owner of the twitter/pictures is a guy that Te'o was friends with? So you are telling me that a friend of Te'o was in on doing this to him? It's not more likely that the friend was in on it with him?
7) Lastly, lets think about just how STUPID you have to be to allow this to happen to you for so long. Lets take his story at face value. They never met. Yet someone took the time to talk to him EVERY SINGLE NIGHT on the phone for months. She tells him never to come visit. She doesn't want him at the funeral. She is the most unfortunate 22 year old ever. And it's all being orchestrated by multiple people. Then he decides that, instead of keeping it low key, he is going to make it a NATIONAL STORY with DOZENS of made up stories about them hanging out. Despite the fact they never hung out, he thought it was smart to make up dozens of stories to the media.
Honestly, the evidence is too damning. I "looked at the fucking facts" like you said. And realized that they all point to him either being functionally retarded or in on the scam.

onetwentyeight's picture

And he can't get the DATE OF HER DEATH straight. To me that's just the most damning and simple flashing arrow that screams he's lying. 
Throwing Every Single Other Fact aside, when your LOVER dies, you WILL remember what day she dies on.
---> NOBODY CAN DISAGREE WITH THIS
But he apparently couldn't? Until I get an answer to this question I won't believe a thing ND says. 

Buster Bluth's picture

1 - I've never read that he met them with Cardinals players. I've read Cardinals players saying independently that they met her. I think that's it's own category of "WTF?!"

I don't remember Manti saying he met them in Hawaii, I remember his dad saying that in a story. Who is to say that he didn't lie to his folks. "Hey Manti, when do you see this girl." "Ummm, in Hawaii...sometimes...she flies out."

I can see how he wants to cover up an online relationship because of the embarassment that we are all ripping him for.

2/3 - If he was lying, that answers this. I am expecting him to say he lied to cover his embarassment. I give that about a 2/10 on the "bad scale."

4 - That's actually simple. There is an investigation and the folks don't want to spook people who could be communicating and/or bragging about it, so play it off while it's on-going. We don't know if/when they (ND and/or Teo) were going to come out with this.

Then keep in mind that this girl you fell for in a freakish relationship, died and then suddenly NOT TRUE. You'd be pretty distraught. The fact that it's happening in the midst of the award circuit is puzzling to say the least.

5 - Privacy. That's pretty simple.

6 - I believe I read that the guy became friends with Te'o after the relationship, and that he was involved with churches and that's obviously something Te'o would connect with. I thought I even read that Te'o thought he was a cousin? I don't know. I have not read that they were close buds or anything.
7 - I don't remember the "dozens of stories" about them hanging out (but can easily conider those lies of the same ilk as the previous hypothetical ones) Hell I remember him saying somethig along the lines of "what was most beautiful about he was her spirit on her looks." Um, yeah Manti...because you never once skyped her what the fuck hahaha

His grandmother died that day too (unless it's the uber-rare double-catfish haha), so that sorta made it the national story. Manti did not have some press conference announcing it. It just came out as stories do.

That said, I still don't think it's an either/or scenario. The world is exponentially more complicated than message boards want to allow.
 

AllDay028's picture

So, just to paraphrase your thoughts, you think Te'o is functionally the dumbest person on earth? That's fair if those are your thoughts. I just don't buy it.

Buster Bluth's picture

He's a 1st-team academic all-american, so no I don't think he's the dumbest person on Earth.

Do I regard him as weird for, at the very least, having a perplexing online relationship? Most definitely.

AllDay028's picture

But your explanations for his actions suggest that you think he's extremely dumb. Because no one with the ability to process small bits of information and who isn't insane continually makes mistakes like you are suggesting.

osu07asu10's picture

Theres no "investigation". The proper authorities for indentify fraud have not been contacted. It is the same privte investigator that thoroughly vetted the wind safety issue, the football players alleged of sexual assault (only 14 days after the fact, and 6 after she died)...

ND is putting on a charade to cover up the fact their star linebacker duped them and the entire nation. That he is a fraud.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Buster Bluth's picture

Well OSHA and the State of Indiana had an investigation about Declan Sullivan/wind. They found not that one individual person was culpible enough to prosecute.

The St. Joseph County Prosecutors said that they wouldn't prosecute the player after the Lizzy Seeburg incident.

Notre Dame hired private investigators who specialized in computer forensices. I doubt it was the "same private investigator."

Unky Buck's picture

Just because no one was "culpible enough to prosecute" doesn't mean it should be brushed aside like it was nothing. Get over yourself and this idea that Notre Dame is holier than thou. Look, I'm an Ohio State grad, but route for ND; this is ridiculous. No person should've been put in that position that would allow that to happen. As someone told you before (whether in this thread or another), there were high winds that same day in Columbus and Tressel told the videographer not to go up there because of the wind. It's not a matter of being a criminal...it's a matter of being a decent human being and understanding the risk that it's involved with that equipment and high winds. It is indeed an accident, but it is also Kelly's fault for being ignorant to the risks at hand.
I'm glad you've basically gotten the ban hammer at this point. You're that fan in that small percentage that gives any fan base a bad name...

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CALPOPPY's picture

I think you might have said something alng these lines below, but I think he had to have told some lies along the way. Maybe they were to cover-up embarrassment but that is the least damning scenario (and it's at least plausible). But Manti never refuted what his father has said about Manti and her meeting after a Stanford football game, or her flying out to Hawaii. So, at the very least, Manti was disingenuous when speaking to the media over the past several months. Maybe it was to cover an embarrassing situation but it still was disingenuous. I think that's where the 0% comes from (at least in my view).

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

buckeyedude's picture

Buster, you're either crazy as hell or naive as hell. I don't know which, and I don't think you do either.

 

 

Buster Bluth's picture

There are only two options? It seems that you share the same intellect as a few others here.

buckeyedude's picture

Unlike you and Te'o, I live in Realityville.

 

 

Buster Bluth's picture

To claim you know the reality in this situation when so much is uncertain...are you a wizard?

I haven't stated that I know anything concrete about this case. (I know we had a Socrates reference earlier...so I should probably throw in the "A wise man knows that he doesn't know" right about now) I have said that I--right now--feel that he was tricked and then he embellished the relationship before and after the fact to hide embarassment. I don't think that's crazy talk, nor to many who have written similar theories. And I must stress, they are theories and nothing more and will more than likely change in the very, very near future.

osu07asu10's picture

TROLOLOLOLOLOL

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I remember looking her up a couple of months ago on google(I typed in Manti's girlfriend because I didn't know her name). I did it out of curiosity because I wanted to know how she died. I didn't really think anything of it when I couldn't find much about her.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Dougger's picture

Get the popcorn ready indeed! And that Scarlett johannsen popcorn gif.
He's in on it IMO. Sadly this gets more publicity than the two actual deaths that have occurred at that university last year :/

I like football

Buster Bluth's picture

Both of those deaths got a ton of publicity. Hell the university caught more flack for the Seeberg deal that it deserved. A girl complains that a football player touched a boob at a bingefest? LOOK OUT!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Are you the same guy that post on irishenvy?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

onetwentyeight's picture

Making light of sexual assault = not the best way to make your point. BRAH. Welcome to 2013.

Buster Bluth's picture

That would be a "sexual assault accusation." And, again, to be specific, she claimed that someone toucher her breast. Nothing more.

She killed herself because she was so distraught about a drunk idiot copping a feel? Seems fishy. At the very least, we'll never know because she's gone now. Hell it's possible she was mentally ill in some fashion.

Sexual assault normally implies something far greater than a boob-grab. I'll "make light" of it if that's what it is perceived as. It's almost an equivalent of being a sex offender for peeing outside enough times.

onetwentyeight's picture

The letter of the law states that any unwanted touching = an assault. Nothing about what it "normally implies" being greater or lesser than a groping. 
 
Again, I clicked on your profile and "Favorite athletes: manti teo and craig krenzel" LOL. Like, you might need to just take a step back and stop digging for a second with the ND/Manti homerism. B/c it's not looking good for either right now. 
 
And really, who the F cares? Urban is cleaning up recruits, we're top 5 preseason ranked, life is good for an OSU fan. ND could turn into a smoking nuclear crater aka Penn State style and it wouldn't bother me a bit. 

Buster Bluth's picture

Which is precisely why it's important to clarify what happened. Sexual assault (as I stated) has a massive umbrella of crimes. If you don't know that then you might want to take some law classes. Everything from rape, to sexual torture, to any sexual act that is coerced is sexual assault.

We don't even know this occured. We just know that she accused a football player of touching her breast after they both had consumed alcohol. That is alll we know. So yeah, I will state again that the university took more flack for it than it deserved. Hell you have people on here saying "rapes" which is exactly what I was talking about in the context of public perception. I'll say again, did the Duke scandal teach you anything?

As for Te'o being a favorite athlete. Yeah, before yesterday I don't think anyone on Earth didn't think Te'o was a superb human being. I'm sorry I didn't edit my 11W page the moment this hit the fan?

 

RedQueenRace's picture

I'll say again, did the Duke scandal teach you anything?

I don't think Lizzy will be retracting her claim and saying she made it up.
 

Pam's picture

"He started sucking my neck and I started crying harder," Lizzy wrote. "He pulled down my tank top by the straps. He slipped them down my shoulders and proceeded to suck and lick my right breast while holding me down on his lap by the arms. I felt his hands start to move down towards my shorts as if he was trying to unbutton them or pull them off. I was still crying at this point and felt so scared that I couldn't move."
This is what she wrote in her statement to the police. That is not a "boob grab" or "copping a feel" as you so flippantly refer to. I wonder how you would feel about being held down by someone 3 times as big as you while they licked your balls. How would you feel if you told the police and the prosecutor declined to press charges because it was just a " ball grab and nothing more" or that you were mentally ill in some fashion for making the accuasation to begin with?
Your post disgusts me.
 
 

osu07asu10's picture

Pam, your post is amazing. Thank you!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

NC_Buckeye's picture

Here, here Pam. Thank you for providing more details. Buster smells like all of the ND-apologists who have been attacking Lizzy Seeburg's character.
Shame on you Buster and all the other Irish scumbags.

Pam's picture

The "bitch is just crazy" as an excuse for men behaving badly drives me out of my mind. Yes, the Duke accuser had mental health issues and the accuastions turned out of be false. So now any woman who accuses an athlete of assault or rape is "crazy'? Disgusting

CALPOPPY's picture

Yep, that's what makes the Duke case so bad...not only did they ruin a program but then it throws everything in the opposite direction and make people more skeptical and provides fuel for doubters. Pretty sad because these things do happen a lot.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

Buster Bluth's picture

...and then her/her friends' statement changed.

...and then it was disproven that players communicated about it via phone as was claimed.

...and then she had a DNA test done (which typically includes under finger nails, skin, etc in addition to genital areas), along with this statement, and not enough evidence was given for even an indictment let alone a conviction. per the County Pros.

...and then it came out that she had a history of mental illness.

I'll ask again, has the Duke lacrosse tradegy taught you people nothing? Your respect of the law disgusts me. If someone did something heinous, by all means throw him in jail. But you and I will never know and it's that simple.

Pam's picture

I have a history of mental illness and take an anti-depressant similar to the one Lizzy did. I have never falsely accused anyone of anything let alone a sexual assault and neither had she prior to this event.
As for changing her story: "Experts in sexual assault say victims almost always add to initial accounts and get some details wrong, particularly in terms of what happened when, because of the way the brain processes traumatic events. Joanne Archambault, who ran the San Diego Police Department's special victims unit for 10 years and now trains officers around the country, says, "Victims don't give a chronological story. I tell cops all the time that they can't ask, 'What happened then?' because they don't know. The victim can be wrong about details because what you're focused on when you're in a traumatic situation is not the same as if you were safe." Of the idea that someone whose initial and subsequent accounts differ in some respects must be lying, she sighed and said, "Juries can be like that, too; they want the story to go from A to B to C, but it isn't like that in real life." Unless, she added, the report really is a phony: "It's the false reports that are perfect." Asked if it's ever better to wait and evaluate various witness statements before interviewing the accused, she said no: "You don't have to rush in and arrest the guy, but you do have to get his statement."
And it wasn't players who communicated with via text, it was a "friend" of the player who texted "Don't do anything you would regret" and "Messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea." She sent the detective a screen shot and he called the guy and told him to knock it off.
I respect the law. I am disgusted by you. This young woman has nothing in common with the Duke accuser other than that they are both women.

onetwentyeight's picture

put it better than any of us menfolk could've. #slowclap

Buster Bluth's picture

So your mental illness is perfectly the same as Seeburgs, you know her perfectly?

Did I say she changed her story because of a mental illness?

Are those quotes from someone who has dealt with this case specifically? Why don't we have a prosecution? Why haven't the Seeburg's filed a civil suit?

If you respected the law you would respect that someone is innocent until proven guilty. Clearly you do not respect the law. To make such speculations when so little evidence is given is beyond disrespectful to the law. Otherwise, I could ask how you feel about the Ohio State player who, while in high school, may have convinced several girls to undress in front of him while he groped them, after he had convinced them he was an ROTC uniform measurer or whatever. Do you have the same conviction towards that incident?

osu07asu10's picture

I'd toss you a rope to try and get out of the hole you continue to dig...but I think you're doing a fine job with the shovel.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Buster Bluth's picture

I'm also curious as to why you are giving no consideration to the alcohol in her system at the time, and perticular the results of the DNA tests she had done the next day. I do not practice law in St. Joseph County, but a confirmed DNA test + a certainly appalling police report is nothing to laugh at. Obviously one or both of those things didn't add up.

Unky Buck's picture

How many negative helmet stickers does it get to get someone prohibited from posting? Is it negative 50? This troll has become awfully annoying. He's not an OSU fan as he would make you believe. Every one of his posts he has ever made has been about Notre Dame and he's argumentative and fighting with another OSU fan in just about every single one of them. Any chance to get him to stop posting would be for the betterment of our community.

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osu07asu10's picture

The 11w community spoke, currently sitting at -60...
Ban hammer!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

NC_Buckeye's picture

You seem to feel pretty confident that you're going to win this dialogue with Pam. I'm here to tell you that's not going to happen. Pam is known around these parts as a long-time respected contributor to 11-W. Hence, her status as a moderator.
You I don't know from jack. And so far your comments are just confirming to me that you're a Domer troll.

Pam's picture

I don't need to know her to know that if she took an SSRI just as I do, she has the same mental illness: Depression.
You said she changed her story which to you meant she was lying. The quotes are from someone who has investigated sex crimes for years and is establishing a pattern that is consistent with victims. I am a rape survivor and I have read the statement I gave the police the night of the crime and it is very brief. I remembered speciific details later and some details much later. Hence the name POST Traumatic Syndrome and hence the reason I take an SSRI.
Because there is not enough evidence to prosecute a case does not mean a crime did not happen nor does it mean the victim was lying. You think Casey Anthony killed her kid? Pretty sure the jury did too but the prosecution did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt for the charge of murder.  How about OJ? Not guilty is not the same as innocent.
I am officially done with you. It is  too exhausting and upsetting to discuss something as horrible as sexual assault, something I have personally experienced, with someone who thinks it's about a "boob grab" Fuck off
 

sloopy88's picture

Thanks for the reality check, Pam. 

AugustaBuckeye's picture

Great response.  

Buckeye in Augusta, GA...
Hence the very original name

RoyWalley's picture

Who said Notre Dame is irrelevant?  It makes front page news at Ohio State!!!
It's surprises me that the Chip Kelley's move isn't first, but we live in a sensationalism world.
 
Go Bucks

buckeye_baker's picture

Grant, as a fellow native Circlevillian I expect at least one reference to the Pumpkin Show. Welcome!

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -Woody Hayes

Chris Lauderback's picture

Ugh. What a stupid typo on my part. Grant is actually from Centerville.

dubjayfootball90's picture


 
Bianchi is an incredible person, and by incredible, i mean one of the most misguided trolls to ever walk the earth. He just cannot let go of the past, kind of like Uncle Rico....
 
You think with all of his butthurt, he would have realized the powers of preparation-H

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

Poison nuts's picture

Yes. Bianchi is the worst dude out. Literally searching out ways to discredit UFM any way he can. Now he's to blame for violence against women & never disciplined his players...Insane. Next Bianchi will link UFM to the invention of cancer. Most readers of The Sentinel have grown tired of his crap as well.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

GoBucks713's picture

Not only did UFM invent the magic bullet, but he also disposed of the bodies for Craig James.

-The Aristocrats!

bukyze's picture

The chances of Teo not being somehow involved in all this is the same as me having a threesome with Kate Upton and Jaime Edmondson.

PlanningBuck12's picture

Welcome Grant! But just thought I'd point out that his bio makes him sound like he went to CENTERville not the beloved home of the Pumpkin Show in Roundtown aka Circleville. I know for a fact going to a school that faced Circleville that Hawk, Nuge, and Herbie didn't go there lol. Don't want our own Manti Te'o happenings surfacing for having a fake student intern lol. 
 
The media and OSU haters can say what they want and bring up "got any tattoos?" But the Pac-12, and SEC have had some of the most shady no pun in tended story lines of the last few years. Take Lane Kiffin on multiple counts both at TENN and USC, Pete Carroll jumping ship before the Reggie Bush NCAA hammer came down, Chip Leaving before his shady doings are revealed. I don't even need to dive in to the craziness that is Black Friday in the late 90s fighting for a Tickle Me Elmo of the SEC's doings. I like to feel that because of both those conferences locations and national hype (Titles) they get slaps on the wrist and not brought about like OSU's deal was. 

PlanningBuck

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn" - Woody Hayes

bhsiba99's picture

Life will always be stranger than fiction!

bhsiba99's picture

One thread that no one seems to be following is that if it was a hoax and the perpetrators have been identified, according to ND, why are they not being brought forward?
The simplest way to prove Manti's story is to get the people behind the "hoax" in public and have them own up .... 

AJBor41's picture

@Chris L - I noticed you said Grant is from Circleville but that he roamed the same halls as AJ Hawk, Mike Nugent, etc... all from Centerville.  As a Circlevillian myself, it's a common mistake we hear a lot.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Yeah. I just acknowleged it up above too. Totally stupid typo on my part. What can I say...I had Manti Fever last night.

Unky Buck's picture

I have a ton of family that are ND fans. I'm probably in the minority of OSU fans, although it's not a small minority by any means. But to see how none of them can read Deadspin's article and not be skeptical of any of it is beyond me.
I like ND and route for them when it doesn't affect OSU's well being, but to read the investigation and not once think, "This just doesn't make sense. No one is this gullible for this long of a time period," shows to me that you just don't want to face the possible truths of the situation. I know they want to believe he is a good person. He has been the face of their team for the last few years but to not have any skepticism is just homerism at its finest.

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osu07asu10's picture

Wind safety, rapes, and dead students aside...this is what makes you see the homerism at ND?

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

bergy22's picture

Yeah in 2010. A student claimed she was raped by a ND football player. She then committed suicide I think like 2 weeks later.

bergy22's picture

Actually it read sexual assault not rape. Sorry about that. I had seen that posted somewhere else. 

Buster Bluth's picture

...and you can be more specific than that. She reported that at a party involving alcohol a football player touched a boob. Go ahead and report to a cop outside the South Campus Gateway "X player inside Charlie Bear copped a feel! Arrest him!" Do you know how hard it is to prove something like that, when it's heresay and alcohol is involved?

So instead alledgedly copping a feel, snowballs into a conviction of everything under the sexual assault umbrella, and then into a rape, and then into multiple rapes. It's sorta amazing and awfully stupid how that works.

Buster Bluth's picture

The Duke lacrosse scandal taught you nothing didn't it?

osu07asu10's picture

Lizzy Seeburg isn't the only victim in question

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Unky Buck's picture

Chill out dude. I've noticed it before but let me make a point here. Sweeping things like you mentioned under a rug and then not talking about it doesn't bring out homerism in fans. Part of being a homer is not being able to look at the reality of the situation and defiantly defending said situation with an already instilled belief that all involved in the situation could not have done it (not being able to realistically look at a situation is the bigger part of course). Most ND fans understand what went on in those regards and typically won't bring it up or discuss it. You may have had some ND homers who will argue for the sake of arguing against the death of a football cameraman or molesting a young woman, but that doesn't make them homers...it makes them horrible human beings. And even if you want to still label them as homers, they pale in comparison to the numbers that will defend Te'o. I've mentioned on these threads before how I have friends who went to SMC and they all love ND but still feel that the players get away with way to much for the sake of the football program. Most people understand the gravity of some of the situations.
In regards to Te'o, you have fans who fail to look at what Deadspin laid out and are arguing that "he's just a lonely, gullible young man who was duped into thinking he had an online relationship" when in reality he may have been in on the thing the entire time. The number of people who are ND fans and are defending Te'o far outweighs any number of people who are arguing against all of the things you mention. That's my point. It's that the homerism for ND is shining greater than it ever has before. Until we have a lot of questions, and I mean A LOT, then their homerism will only grow and get stronger. I'm willing to wait to pass judgement on Te'o to see how this all unfolds, but I'm also realistic and understand that at first glance, none of this looks good for Te'o...and that's what I wish many ND fans would do.

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osu07asu10's picture

Unky...wasn't meant as a dig towards you, but more of a dig towards ND and their fan base.

This Te'o stuff is childs play compared to the way the football program has operated in regards to wind safety and investigations into misconduct by their student athletes.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Buster Bluth's picture

State of Indiana/OSHA > your opinion

tennbuckeye19's picture

Human Decency > your opinion

Pam's picture

On the day that the kid from ND was killed by the high winds knocking over the tower, Jim Tressel told their videographer taping practice to come down because it was too dangerous.

osu07asu10's picture

Move along troll...bluster not Pam!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Unky Buck's picture

Thanks lol. Things can get lost in translation. My bad!
But I agree with you in terms of the severity of a lot of things that have been reported (and those that are even just speculative), they far outweight any of this Te'o stuff by far. The Te'o stuff just brings out the naiveness of a fanbase...and this just happens to be one of the largest fanbases in the country so it's only magnified to a greater extent.
On a side note, Buster, stop trolling. You're not providing any information for any of your arguments. If you can't provide anything relevent to the conversation or provide decent data to support your argument for anything, just stay out of it.
 

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LouGroza's picture

You can pick your imaginary girlfriends. And you can pick your nose. But you can't pick your imaginary girlfriends nose, especially if she is deceased.....

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I barely scanned the Deadspin breaking report on Teo and have no interest delving into this story. It reminds me of a Lifetime movie.
My wife is not into sports, but she's really interested in this story. This is her idea of sports story. Just like The Game Plan with Dwayne Johnson is her idea of a sports movie. After we watched that movie together, she turned to me and said, "see, I'm open to watching a guys' sports movie with you. Next time, it's your turn to watch a chick flick."
Well, this Teo story is a chick flick packaged as a football story.      

buckeye76BHop's picture

oops didn't mean to duplicate that....my phone did it.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

buckeye76BHop's picture

I'm at work sick as hell this morning Run and that Lifetime story comment made me laugh out loud.  It hurt my throat and lungs....but it was worth it.  Too funny...my wife also brought the story up to me this morning before realizing I couldn't talk well.  Even more funny part was she wasn't aware OSU was unbeaten after beating tTUN...but knew about this story the next day.  I love her even though she's not into sports especially Ohio State football;-)

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Thanks, Buckeye76!. Hope you get better.
I've been fighting the flu, too - coughing, wheezy, achy. My two-year daughter is wild as hell. She is always doing outlandish stuff that makes me laugh hysterically. Well, yesterday she did something crazy again, I started laughing, and my ribs felt like they broken. I had to leave the room to get away from the pain!

buckeyedude's picture

The Lifetime Channel = The Cheater-Beater Channel...
because everyone's either cheatin' on or beatin' on their spouse.

 

 

iball's picture

Yea, but its Notre Dame, and they've been on kind of a high horse lately...so

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Run_Fido_Run's picture

When did Jabba grow a beard and start wearing glasses and do you think TTUN fans will forgive him for tweeting sweet nothings to a player that helped beat Michigan? 

buckeyedude's picture

Is that the guy that had the relationship with Alex Anzalone or is it Jerry Sandusky's half brother?

 

 

CaliforniaBuckeyeGirl's picture

I have an idea for the 43rd best moment on the Maury Show: Manti Te'o lie detector!
"You were asked, 'Did you fabricate a girlfriend in order to draw attention to your performance on the field and manipulate awards voters?' You said no, and the lie detector shows..... THAT...was a lie."

Doc's picture

Train, meet Wreck.  This is unreal.  Of Course Teo knew what was going on.  I don't believe for one second he was duped.  This is Notre Lame, these are supposed to be the "smart" kids!  This guy fell in love with a chick he never met online?  You can not tell me there isn't more than a hand full of eligible co-eds that wouldn't want to be with him?  Shit!  Ugly as AJ Hawk got Brady Quinn's attractive sister.  Manti would have had his pick of women.  Some rumors say he really isn't in to the ladies, not that there is anything wrong with that, and that this story is his beard. 

"Say my name."

Alhan's picture

The look on Matta's face after Crean gives him his whiney bitch handshake is absolutely priceless!

You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I'm thinking we have a potential movie here....

 

buckeyedude's picture

It was already done. Didn't you ever watch the Brady Bunch growing up? Jan had an imaginary friend named "Charles Glass." And unfortunately, it didn't work out. 

 

 

Pam's picture

I found a class ring from another HS and cooked up a story about how I was going steady with him to make an ex-boyfriend jealous. The initials inside the ring were JR, so my fake BF was Jeff Richmond. Unlike Jan, it worked out. Of course in 1969 there was no internet or google and my real BF didn't question it. Sigh, young love is so trusting.

buckeyedude's picture

LOL. Well Pam, I'm glad it worked out in your case, as opposed to Jan's and Te'o's.
Imaginary lovers are so unpredictable.

 

 

chitown buckeye's picture

@chris, must of been a tough night trying to dig up something to write about in todays skully. I know how these "dog days" of college football make it difficult to find interesting content.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Chris Lauderback's picture

Haha! Yeah, if anything it was hard to not type another 1000 words on Te'o, Kelly and the Bianchi stuff. Sometimes a skully just falls in your lap. I like when that happens.

gnesq1's picture

 
Damn S-E-C 

GoBucks713's picture

Manti Teo and his imaginary Girlfriend: Still a better lovestory than Twilight

-The Aristocrats!

buckeyedude's picture

It's a better story than 99.8% of the crap that Hollyweird puts out.

 

 

sb97's picture

That video was fun but hearing Dan Fouts' "Bad Call, Bad Call" kind of spoiled it for me.

asinghal31's picture

So let's just say Manti was the actual victim here, his supposed girlfriend was in a major accident and died of leukemia within a month (I think a month) of each other, correct? How does he not go to visit her in the hospital?

onetwentyeight's picture

or see her F*CKING face once before she DIES. FOREVER. Using like oh IDK that daggum "WEB CAMERA" gadget all the kids are foolin' 'round with these days. 
or see her family/grave after the funeral and death. 
or remember what DAY she died clearly. 
 
 
BS I CALL BSSS

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

BS turned his phone off. Too many calls in the last 24 hours.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

penult's picture

In the interview after the Michigan State game he says that he will see his grandma and girlfriend again in heaven.

tennbuckeye19's picture

She also supposedly had a bone marrow transplant, which is a MAJOR surgery and requires a lengthy recovery time. How does he not go see her during that?

buckeyedude's picture

Because he is lying.
In order for Te'o to see his imaginary girlfriend, with the imaginary bone marrow cancer, he has to go to an imaginary hospital to see his imaginary girlfriend's imaginary doctor and get the imaginary prognosis.
Evidently, he didn't know where it was located and just decided to play the game instead.

 

 

dean7647's picture

It will be interesting to see how this affects his draft stock.  If I'm in the front office in the NFL and any proof comes out that he was somehow involved, there's no way I touch this guy.  Even in the current NFL that's full of convicts, this would be a PR nightmare trying to sell this draft pick to your fans. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

True. Part of the process is to have lengthy interviews with teams, and you better believe this will come up every single time he meets with a team. 
 

onetwentyeight's picture

Here's what I keep coming back to: the dates of the deaths. All these other facts about whether he met her face to face or her pictures looking like this or that, or not using Skype, etc. They can all be disputed if you try hard enough. But there are certain things in life normal people generally don't f*ck up. What day you married, had your kids, or lost someone super close to you. You don't forget that. Maybe when you're 60 and suffering from dementia, okay. But not a couple of weeks later. 
 
If you look at the portion of the Deadspin timeline regarding the week of the "deaths", you can actually see the lie forming. 
"Sept. 11-12, 2012: Te'o's grandmother dies in Hawaii. Later, Kekua dies in California. Or is it the other way around? "Te'o's girlfriend, Lennay Kekua, died Sept. 11 of complications from leukemia. His grandma, Annette Santiago, died after a long illness less than 24 hours later," according to the Sept. 22 South Bend Tribune. No, Annette dies first, according to the Oct. 12 South Bend Tribune. In fact, Lennay lives long enough to express condolences over the death of Annette:
Less than 48 hours later [after Lennay's release from the hospital], at 4 a.m. Hawaii time, Kekua sent a text to Brian and Ottilia, expressing her condolences over the passing of Ottilia's mom, Annette Santiago, just hours before.
Brian awakened three hours later, saw the text, and sent one back. There was no response. A couple of hours later, Manti called his parents, his heart in pieces.
Lennay Kekua had died."
 
You can see that originally the grandmother (who did actually die) died AFTER the girlfriend. However, that doesn't make for as sappy a narrative because your grandmother comforting you about the loss of your chick isn't as SEXY a story. So it gets refitted in between the SEP 22 South bend tribune story and the OCT 12. Now Lennay is dying Mere Hours After grandma, just enough for it to be MOAR tragic. But no, even that wasn't enough for The Narrative.  
 
"Or does Kekua die three days later (New York Post)? Four days (ESPN, CBS)?
In any case, according to Te'o's interview with Gene Wojciechowski in a segment aired during the Oct. 6 episode of College GameDay, Lennay's last words to Te'o were "I love you."
 
Once the story went National, her death keeps getting pushed even farther back, to make for an even more agonizing story. Now there's enough time for them to talk on the phone One Last Time (*tear*), and oh what's this? We even have a "last words" quote now. How convenient. 
So now we got a guy who said at first, his girl dies before his grandmother, then that she died ~48 hours after her, then it's 3 days and then 4 days. Look, we're not asking him to recount trivial details about his relationship with her that might have been blurred in the last days before she died. We're asking for a very BASIC piece of information that nobody ever confuses, much less confuses 3 times? In 3 differnet ways? 
Please. This is a screwup on par if he gave 3 different names answering questions as to what his gf's name was. What day the love of your life DIED ON shouldn't be something you keep on forgetting/confusing. 
 

tennbuckeye19's picture

So Te'o supposedly knew he was "tricked" at the beginning of December and yet didn't tell his coaches till the end of the month? Notre Dame claims they were told about it on December 26th and conducted an "internal" investigation that led to the discovery that Te'o had been duped. But, Te'o still spoke about his fake dead girlfriend with the media in preparation for the national championship game 2 weeks later? At that point ND knew he was lying, whether he was "tricked" or not. 

altrn8ngcurrent's picture

If I would have known that all it took to move up the Heisman voting was a dead fake girlfriend, then I would have been made up a dead fake girlfriend for Braxton or Shazier and been the best fake dead gf anyones never had!

buckeyedude's picture

In regards to Te'o's girlfriend: there has to be some kind of NCAA violation here.

 

 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Well the NCAA makes stuff up as they go along, so it shouldn't be to hard to find something.

I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell suspended Te'o after he was drafted.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

BlueBayou's picture

I find myself not knowing what to believe in the whole Manti saga.  It all seems too incredible of a story for him to not have been in on it, but there are truly hoaxes like this out there.  I find it interesting that in October, Foxnews had an article about this type of thing (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/10/08/faking-it-online-disturbing-trend-internet-cancer-hoaxes/)
So if Manti really did have an online relationship, I'm guessing as a star college linebacker, is that the story you want out there?  Do you and your family really want people to know that?  My guess is no and that you will try to make it sound as normal as possible, to protect your celebrity and brand.  I guarantee that if he went around talking about an online romance, people would have a field day picking on him about it.  So, ok, if it was just an online relationship, it is plausible that one in his position would spin a web of lies to the public in an attempt to normalize it. 
All I know in this scenarior, no matter who is at fault, someone needs some professional help and hopefully they get it.

el duderino's picture

I read the article you linked, and saying the situations in that article are "like this" is a stretch, at best. Someone claiming to be a cancer surivivor in an online forum is a far cry from engaging in a three year relationship with someone you have never seen in real life.
Also, the "timing" of when he found out about the hoax, according to Te'o is significant. That is, he "found out" she was fake soon after he lost the Heisman, soon after he no longer had a reason to keep up the sob story and thus steal the award. Doesn't seem to pass the smell test, along with most of what ND/Te'o/Anyone defending those two has been saying. 

"This is a very complicated case: a lot of ins, lot of outs, lot of what-have-yous."

BlueBayou's picture

The article talks about people presenting themselves in online forums, but one doesn't have to go far to see that this could also be done in a one on one scenario.  These people crave the attention they get from it.  It is a sickness and for this sickness, it is possible the personal intimacy of a one on one interaction offers a greater "reward".  As the article states, MBI is presenting itself in social networks and online support groups.  Twitter and Facebook are both social networks that could feed this illness even though the writer chose to focus more on the support group aspect.  I don't think this is a stretch that this could be what happened in this instance.
With regards to being able to successfully keep this up in a 3 year long relationship.  I agree that it would be hard, but what do we have to go by that says that this was in fact a 3 year long relationships?  Teo's words?  Well, that aspect of his story definitely does not hold up since it is stated that they met 3 years ago in person, which he has admitted is a lie.  (The motivation for this lie?  Possibly trying to make the relationship seem normal under a large spotlight.  Do you think he would really want to admit he had an exclusively online relationship?  I highly doubt it, and this could be the motivation for the lie).  So when did they in fact meet online?  The Deadspin article places the date at October 10, 2011 on Twitter.  This would seem to indicate that they had only been interacting on twitter for around 11 months before she "died".  Given that it would have taken some time to develop an online "relationship", it could be assumed that the first couple months were superficial, building towards a more emotionally vested and Facebook official relationship in the latter part.  In this timeline, Te'o being duped is completely plausible. 
There are also recent reports that Te'o is not the first person to have been duped by this person.  These reports are more recent, so they could have inaccuracies, but link provided.  (http://abcnews.go.com/US/manti-teos-fake-girlfriend-duped/story?id=18246589)
Only time is going to shed a little more light on what happened as others dig and pressures mount, but at this time, I'm not willing to rule out any scenario.  The only thing that I think currently is a clear fact in all of this is that someone, whether it be Te'o, the "girlfriend", or all all parties involved, clearly have an illness (MBI, narcisism, ...) and professional help should be sought.
 
 

Dr. House's picture

ladies and gentlemen I give you the newest sports meme.
please note i did not come up with this.

otrain2416's picture

can't believe that greatest football highlight didn't have Millers Game winning throw vs Wisc

BuckeyeSki's picture

Things that are more real than Te'o's GF:
1. Bigfoot (been photographed)
2. Loch Ness Monster (see above)
3. WWE match outcomes
4. Pam Anderson's Chest
5. Vampires
6. Werewolves
 

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Doc's picture

Don't forget Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and the Boogie Man.

"Say my name."

buckeyedude's picture

The Boogie Man is real, Doc.
I know this because KC and the Sunshine Band made a song about him.

 

 

Menexenus's picture

Where was "Holy Buckeye" in the Greatest College Football Highlight Film Ever?  (At least it had Appy State...)

Real fans stay for Carmen.

BuckeyeTilIdie's picture

Wait one damn minute! "The Best College Football Highlight Film Ever" was missing Braxton to Devin, Wisky 2011????  I'm disguested... Hopefully I just missed it...

Remember that in the end you will be judged not by what you believed, planned or dreamed; but, by what you did.

jkrk's picture

I'm just gonna leave this here for Bianchi. I mean, I know he only writes for a living, but if he ever wants to learn to spell:

osubuckeye4life's picture

+1 for posting a video clip from "The Wire"
 
Welcome aboard Grant! 
The Maury Show is such a trainwreck. 
 
That greatest college football highlight film has some glaring ommissions as previously noted. 
Also:
1:38 made me thrown up in my mouth. 
3:01 was nearly my worst nightmare.
3:49 and 6:10 puts a huge grin on my face.