Men's Basketball Open Thread: Illinois

By 11W Staff on January 5, 2013 at 2:10p
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highwire's picture

Cool picture...should have been Thompson in space though.

TLB's picture

B1G run starts today.  Protect the home, steal a few big ones on the road
 
 

Chris Lauderback's picture

OSU has won 11 of last 14 against Illy and 4 of last 6 in Champaign

TLB's picture

no energy 
 

los_bux08's picture

gotta weather the early storm 

TLB's picture

yeah, that loss to Purdue was bad so they are ready

oregonianbuckeye's picture

Illinois switching nearly everything. OSU needs to look to post Thomas. 

Chris Lauderback's picture

3 turnovers in first 7 possessions for the buckeyes. 

TLB's picture

still looking for a consistent 3rd scorer

Ohio1St81's picture

Look at his hair disappear through those pictures

bukyze's picture

Amir still not strong enough to be physical with his rebounding.

TLB's picture

man, we look bad

oregonianbuckeye's picture

Defense playing well, but we're giving up too many offensive rebounds. Can't give Ill extra possessions. 

los_bux08's picture

the other team will score when you give them 3 straight possesions

TLB's picture

one team ready, one team not

oregonianbuckeye's picture

Getting beat down the floor and not blocking out. This is a recipe for getting beat on the road.

biggy84's picture

How does Craft not make a layup? 

oregonianbuckeye's picture

Nice play call out of that last time out. OSU needs to convert when it gets those quality looks.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Matta better get Craft off Paul or he's gonna have another 43 point night.

Danify's picture

Big suprise ... Ohio State facing an top 15 team and shooting terrible, no shock here.

Bobcat04's picture

Matta's worst job since taking over. Can't believe that he couldn't put a functional team on the floor this year with all the McD's all-Americans. Sad. 

TLB's picture

it's ok to not like Thad's coaching but that statement is a little over the top

Clmm297's picture

Why is it bad coaching when we lose/are losing?  Maybe it's lack of execution from the players?
Unless you post how great Matta is when we win, your comment is a joke.....

Yamosu's picture

Why is it wrong to think that Matta is an excellent recruiter but is not great at developing players.

Clmm297's picture

Have you watched any games before today?
 
Evan Turner was not POY material when he got here....
Do I really need to provide more examples?

farmerbuck's picture

Man we are playing horrible !! Very flat!

You have to hate losing more than you love winning! GO BUCKS!!

Bobcat04's picture

Maybe shake up the assistants after the season?

rdubs's picture

This isn't on the coaches (except maybe recruiting-wise), we just have no scoring threats.  Although it seems like we don't run much of an offense, which is on Matta.

biggy84's picture

Craft is getting eaten alive. 

CSAR Buckeye's picture

Our bigs are getting destroyed on the glass.

falconlax13's picture

Ross looks bad today

rdubs's picture

He hasn't looked very good all season.  I really think a lot of it is comfort.  He knows he is only getting 5-7 minutes so either he rushes things or plays to avoid mistakes.

falconlax13's picture

He just seems kind of awkward out there. Seems to be a step behind, and is very tentative with the ball in his hands.

farmerbuck's picture

How many times has Amir had the ball striped from his hands?? My God!! He is one of the biggest players on the court and yet he can't hold on to the ball game after game.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning! GO BUCKS!!

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

LaQ plays like he's terrified of being on the floor...smh

highwire's picture

This is painful!

CSAR Buckeye's picture

Sooooo many unacceptable turnovers.  And then jacking up desperation threes already...
 

TLB's picture

good thing they are missing

TLB's picture

still only down 12.  need to make a run to close the half
 

Jack Fu's picture

Jesus, we look terrible. And it's not bad shooting - it's bad offense. We're getting bad shots, shots that we shouldn't expect to make, and we're rightfully not making them.

Yamosu's picture

3rd scorer?  I am not convinced we have a consistent first and second scorer.  Thompson shooting 30% every other night is not consistent...

Yamosu's picture

Our team does excell in standing around and waiting for the man with the ball to do something.

CSAR Buckeye's picture

What's that now?  Three alley oops given up so far?  Frustrating.

TLB's picture

I think Chris was right, Kraft can't handle Paul

rdubs's picture

Only consistent offense is Thomas dribbling twice and shooting a contested shot.  No motion, no picks, nothing.  It's worse than the NBA out there.

TLB's picture

Amir and Ravenell continue to disappoint

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

Another wide open 3
dammit

oregonianbuckeye's picture

L backed off on the rotation. I'm guessing the scouting report is let that guy shoot. Either that or L made a mistake.

Yamosu's picture

Watching these guys, it's like they have never played with each other

rdubs's picture

I have the all-american game thread open in another tab and when I first saw this I laughed because I thought you were talking about that game, then I cried when I realized you were talking about the basketball game...

Bobcat04's picture

And THAT is what I was trying to say above and got crapped on bad. I think that is on the coaching. It's not an attack. It's an observation. 

rdubs's picture

Well part of the issue with this team is really the lack of consistent scorers other than Thomas, so he feels like he has to force shots.  I am not sure how much of that is coaching and how much of it is lack of proper recruiting.  I think the biggest issue is there hasn't been a lot of progress from early in the season and that is definitely on the coach to a certain degree.

Bobcat04's picture

We need a legitimate underneath threat bad. Amir is still a project, and Ravenel has peaked at a role player level. Thad had to know he was lucky to have had Sully as long as he did. Losing Parker to UCLA hurt. 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

The failure of Sibert to develop was a bad break that's going to cost this program this season and next. What he was supposed to be is the major thing we're lacking. 

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TLB's picture

Just one of those games on the road in the B1G
There will be more

Bobcat04's picture

I DO like Thad, and DO post exuberantly when we win. I just said that he hasn't done a good job thus far this year with what he's had to work with. And let the downvotes begin. There are plenty of other posts on the thread about how poor we look, and none of them get bombed. We haven't looked good against ANY of the good teams on the schedule, and that's a fact. The B1G will be unforgiving if we don't vastly improve, and that's a fact. I'm not trying to be combative or a dick, I'm just frustrated in a year that looks like it may not produce any quality wins. Anyone confident about the scUM game this week?  It's quite a departure from the last few years. How do you say we are not good and should maybe be better without getting downvote hammered?

kr66osu's picture

Here have an upvote to balance it out a little
Also, I agree with you. The way we've played against Duke, KU, and now Illinois, we are looking at a 9-9 B1G season, and I hope people realize that. Halfway through the season and we still have nothing even resembling an identity offensively

Bobcat04's picture

Thank you. That is all I was trying to say. I think that we have equal or better talent than most teams in the B1G, and so far have not looked coherent at all against the better teams.  

TLB's picture

Thomas forcing everything

Tim's picture

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Craft, get him!

Buckeye Chuck's picture

This game is both Groce and gross.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

This game is stupid.

Class of 2010.

bhsiba99's picture

Lot of restraint from the ref to not T up groce.

Jack Fu's picture

Lot of restraint from me not putting my foot through the television.

D. Anthony's picture

Leave Q out there...let him get minutes in these meaningful games. He's got the highest ceiling on the team except for maybe Deshaun. It definately takes him a little while to get in the flow but he does get it going.

D. Anthony

Jack Fu's picture

If you're down by 20 does it count as a meaningful game?

TLB's picture

Thomas still forcing

kr66osu's picture

Will the voters PLEASE finally drop us out of the top 20?

TLB's picture

at least the top 10, I think we are more like a 12-18 team

Bobcat04's picture

We started so high I understand why we're still there, but not for long. Matta needs to break this team down and build it back from the ground up. Can't get any worse. 

TLB's picture

out hustling us.  Groce must have hammered them after the Purdue loss

Buckeye Chuck's picture

There's nothing wrong with the thinking that the losses to Duke and Kansas weren't so bad because it's all about getting the team ready for the Big Ten season and March ... except that we seem to be getting worse. In fact, this is shaping up as our worst game since the day West  Virginia annihilated us.
A 1-4 conference start is not unthinkable in the least.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

TLB's picture

Like I said, just one of those games

CSAR Buckeye's picture

I've never seen so many Buckeye turnovers in my life.  Argh.

Firedup's picture

Too much dribbling going on and not enough passing

kr66osu's picture

This is not just "one of those B1G road games", we have shown absolutely no improvement from the beginning of the season (if anything, we've become worse). This does not bode well for the rest of the way

TLB's picture

I dont know.  I think Groce really wanted this one and had his team frenzied.
We'll be alright, but I think overrated all year

andyb's picture

Can't even watch anymore...so frustrating. 

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

They look fucking awful. Not apologizing for being honest...unreal

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

brandonbauer87's picture

If I remember right the idea is to put the ball in the hoop correct?  That seems to be a very important detail that we're missing.  27 points 4 minutes into the 2nd half? TUURRRIBLE!!

andyb's picture

How long until the spring game again???  j/k but seriously...nothing worse than watching what you know is a pretty good basketball team just not execute and not hustle and get out played in every single aspect of a basketball game.

TLB's picture

haha.......i thought that was going in

BSTP DeCon's picture

16th turnover doesn't help :(

CSAR Buckeye's picture

16 to's already and we're not even half way through the second half.  Just poor discipline.
 

Firedup's picture

Since when did Lenzelle turn into William Buford? So manynquick shots from him today

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Smith is the only starter who is shooting 50% today. He's absolved for the most part.

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brandonbauer87's picture

26% shooting is awful.  Unfotunately for this team it's not all that surprising.

CSAR Buckeye's picture

Man, how good of a shooter is Paul?

BROSEPH's picture

Team isn't playing well enough to win, but the officiating is horrendous.  OSU can't play tight man D without handcheck fouls whereas Illinois constantly has their hands all over Buckeye ballhandlers. Also the amount of travels missed during this game is crazy, for both teams.  

CSAR Buckeye's picture

I agree, the officiating has been pretty poor.  That has been far from a major factor, though.  No hustle, poor shooting, poor shot selection, lack of effort, and not taking care of the ball are the real culprits.

kr66osu's picture

About halfway through the half and OSU has scored 6 points.

TLB's picture

mike mitchell time

BME_Buckeye's picture

Thankfully I have Men's Volleyball coming up to sustain my Buckeye Fix because the basketball team isn't giving it to me!

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

TLB's picture

I got hockey, but they are scoring challenged too

kr66osu's picture

Will OSU beat a ranked team this year aside from MSU maybe? We clearly aren't going to beat Michigan or IU

TLB's picture

They can beat both of them at home.

Yamosu's picture

Why do I still have this game on.  I am going to go eat chili and drink beer.  Go texans!

CSAR Buckeye's picture

Maybe a little extra on the beer part of the equation.

FROMTHE18's picture

YESSIR... WE GOT MITCHELL... stoked, NFL playoffs have begun, time to relax, crack a 6 pack, eat some terribly awesome food, and move as little as possible

CSAR Buckeye's picture

The Mitchell news helps dull the pain a bit.  The beer will finish the job.

OSUStu's picture

Geez.  Can't watch this...going to ruin what has been a pretty damn good Saturday so far.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

farmerbuck's picture

No kiddin.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning! GO BUCKS!!

UrbanCulture's picture

Take this team out of the top 25 and craft out of the starting lineup. Its about sending...a message.

TLB's picture

Craft not being able to score is a huge issue, but we need him for his D

FROMTHE18's picture

Craft has gone from All American to mundane PG... coaches are to blame, complete idiots taking an outstanding defensive specialist and a good game manager and saying ,"we are going to change your game and make you into a scorer (that you are not)"... hope Matta figures this rubix cube out, if not, teams going to be 6th or 7th in the Big 10... Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois all better teams than OSU right now...Purdue could surpass OSU at some point

kr66osu's picture

Time to watch some playoffs to take my mind off of this disaster of a team

NCBuck1's picture

Can Sully get out of his contract with the Celts?  Man I miss him.  We need some kind of post presence to get the outside open.

OSU_undergrad's picture

Why is everyone hating on Craft? He's the only one not turning the ball over and playing great defense. He also has 9, which is pretty good compared to the rest of the team.

okiebuck's picture

Sounds like this one of those days that I'm glad we don't have the BTN on our cable system.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

dubjayfootball90's picture

rough game to watch man, It was hard. Still love every single person on this team, and March will be waiting. But right now, we gotta fix some obvious things, these turnovers gotta stop too man. But we will get better. We have to in this conference...

okiebuck's picture

No doubt about that; it's a long season and we will be there in March.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

okiebuck's picture

Let's Go Bengals!!

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

What...the f**k...happened.  This team is going backwards.  I don't know how a team can destroy the bad teams one day and then turn around and look so bad against good teams. 

Class of 2010.