Take the Money and Run

By DJ Byrnes on April 6, 2012 at 1:44p
106 Comments
HEY I HAVE AN IDEA, JERRY. WHAT IF WE PUT THESE TWO OVER HERE BY THE DAISEY PATCH??? THEN WE CAN HAVE THEM CROSS SPATULAS LIKE THEYRE FENCING!!! HAAHAHAHAAH! OK OK OK OK OK!!!! READY GUYS???? CHEEEEEESE!!!!!!It's been a charmed life for Mark Emmert.

The NCAA is despicable for a lot of reasons, but primarily it's because it's an organization which pretends to care about kids. The NCAA doesn't care about kids, they care about their money. How do we know this? Because even when the NCAA does the right thing, it lies about it.

Did you know, the NCAA (or perhaps its member-conferences) allowed at least one Final Four team to pick up the traveling expenses of players' families? It's true. Marc Isenberg of the Money Players blog had the scoop first, and it's really quite telling why the NCAA would then lie about it. It's probably a publicly unknown tidbit which Mark Emmert uses to sleep at night, but it's also something which would start to blur the lines of amateurism just a little bit more. You know, in case the Taxman comes calling.

It's the right thing to do, considering the billions of dollars in TV revenue alone that the NCAA harvests off players' hard-work. (It'd really be interesting to find out which school it was; I think it was Ohio State.) But don't think there is a moral awakening going on in the ivory tower of the NCAA, because there isn't.

Take, for example, the NCAA's latest abomination: lying to college players about when they have to declare for the NBA draft.

On Tuesday, collegiate basketball players, most of them recently having their seasons ended in gut-rending defeat, will have to decide if they're going pro or not. Time is certainly ticking on one of the biggest decisions of their lives, except that it's really not at all. The NCAA just makes them feel that way, because the NCAA has instituted a deadline which isn't a deadline at all.

The deadline to declare for the NBA draft is April 29th. The players don't have until Tuesday, they have two and a half weeks to make that decision. Why would the NCAA rush student-athletes? So as many of them will feel as hesitant about their prospects as possible in hopes "student-athletes" return to their multi-billion dollar incubators? Because that's what it smells like to me.

Know who isn't lying to kids? John Calipari. That "scumbag" told his players to ignore NCAA's worthless deadline, because John Calipari respects his kids and he's willing to treat his like the sovereign human beings they are.

If Mark Emmert can waddle around as if he's weighed down by some intergalactic truth, then I think I'm entitled to the same. Hell, I won't even have to jet-set around the country on the backs of exploited labor to do so. All I have to do is shift the audience I'm writing to.

I'm not talking to the "athletes going professional in something other than sports." The types of kids getting scholarships to play something like Lacrosse would have probably been okay in the end anyway. Privilege has a way of asexually breeding success. No, I'm talking to the kids who ARE "going pro." The ones who are the cash-cows in which the NCAA makes their money on.

Here's some tips, kids, so listen up: There are, as is the case with any human (regardless of stature), only a handful of people on this world (outside of your immediate family) who TRULY care about you as a human being. A handful. So, to the rest of the world, you are nothing more than a walking dollar sign. This goes for EVERYBODY outside of that handful, and it probably includes faces which are already burroewed their way into your circle.

So, knowing and accepting that, the equation is rather simple: If you can get drafted in the first round of the NBA draft, then take the money and run. Hell, you will probably get paid more overseas than you would as a recent college grad anyway.

Look at Byron Mullens. People (including the clown typing this thing you're reading) ridiculed him for going pro after one year at Ohio State. Well, three years into his career and guess what? He's getting paid 2.3 million dollars a year to put up 9 points and 4 rebounds (on average) a night in the NBA. Now, I'm tragically bad at math, but at $2.3 million for this year (and $3.2 million due next year), I'm pretty sure Byron Mullens would have enough money to come back and pay for his own way through school if Byron Mullens decided that was best for the future of Byron Mullens.

If I listen closely at night, I can hear Mullens laughing himself to sleep. And he should be. He came from nothing and now he's a self-made millionaire. Byron Mullens won at America because he took the money and ran. 

Here's another tip, kids: colleges don't care if you can get an education. Many of you wouldn't be walking these campuses if you couldn't run fast with a ball or jump really high. Your grades and SAT scores would have been laughed at by admissions counselors before they threw them into the trash. They have invited you into a system, which by their own definition, you're not cut out for. Oh, and by the way, this academic system dictates your entire livelihood. 

Not to mention, there are self-righteous clowns like Charles Robinson and Pete Thamel waiting to "expose" you; to hold you in front of a nation as the "what's wrong" with their eulogized unicorn which never existed in the first place. 

The fans? 99.8% of them don't care about you either. Doubt me? Put 80% effort into a game one night and watch how you get scorned by people who only put 40% of their will into their own jobs on a day-to-day basis. There are people who make livings by ridiculing teenagers and 20-somethings like yourselves, which means there are even more people reading these clowns and nodding their concrete skulls.

No, this hellscape of an existence is one fueled largely by selfishness and greed. The safest shelter against it is money. Grab what you can today, because tomorrow is never promised. (Tyrone Prothro went from Alabama hero to a bank teller damn near overnight.)

So yeah, dudes like you, Mr. Trey Burke, take the money and don't look back.

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buckeye76BHop's picture

Great article DJ and I agree with you about the NCAA/Emmert.  They just want their money and were trying to "scare" kids into making a quick decision.  It wouldn't surprise me if Emmert tries to push the date up in the future to early April as opposed to later.  He reminds me of scum bag on wall street or a crooked politician.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Wow, DJ. Cynical much these days? Not every human is so self-focused.

So you've really got two issues here, but they're not the same. One is the role of the NCAA. But even that is more than one issue. There is rule enforcement and money-making. The enforcement arm needs to be reformed for sure. But don't ever get confused where the real money in all this is - the conferences and schools.They are the ones truly cheating the players.

As for when to turn pro, players have to do some analysis. Will they make more money over the long haul by waiting? Evan Turner did. Jared Sullinger probably cost himself some money. Byron probably lost money, but the impression I get is that he couldn't afford to wait. And it's an inexact science anyway.

Good luck to Jared. Deshaun could probably make more by waiting if he can afford to. In the end it's his life and his talent.

That forgets the question of whether there should even be college sports. Short answer - there should not. At least not big time football or basketball. Let the NBA and NFL pay for their own player development. And let the players be paid for their endeavors.

sir rickithda3rd's picture

these schools need to just cut these kids a check for something small like 200 a week. Then everything is solved. Yes they will be severly underpaying some of the kids for what they do. Conversely they will be over-paying a few. But these kids do need compensated for the millions of dollars they rake in for universities.

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

pcon258's picture

honestly, to me, the solution is to allow athletes to do endorsements. let braxton miller get up on a car commercial and get paid 2 grand for a couple hours work. This way big time players who rake in the schools the most money, are able to get the money that they deserve, without breaking the school's bank. 

and with regards to the nba draft, i think players should look out for themselves here. the money is there, they probably should take it. BUT they should be aware bankruptcy rates of nba players post-retirement, so they should come back and finish their degree (as sullinger claims he will). given the chance for injury, these players have got to get theirs. I love a 4 year player who becomes a hometown hero as much as the next guy, but i dont hold it against someone who leaves early

Menexenus's picture

Great points with extra vitriol on the side (as usual)!  Nice job, DJ! 

I think this is your best point:

Many of you ["student-athletes"] wouldn't be walking these campuses if you couldn't run fast with a ball or jump really high. Your grades and SAT scores would have been laughed at by admissions counselors before they threw them into the trash. They have invited you into a system, which by their own definition, you're not cut out for.

Most of these athletes have no business being in college in the first place.  So why should we expect them to want to stick around when payday comes calling?  The whole thing is quite a charade.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

pcon258's picture

I don't know about MOST athletes. i think there is a huge number of student-athletes who are just that. someone like aaron craft, or draymond green before he took off this year. they will have four years of glory as a D1 athlete, but won't have the talent for the pros. these are the people who benefit most from the scholarships, and are not ALL dumb as rocks

spqr2008's picture

Buckeye76BHOP,

You have to be fair to the crooked politicians and the Wall Street types.  Mark Emmert is a leech that sucks on them.  Give credit where credit is due, the man is a class A piece of work.

VestedInterest's picture

Heard Cal on the Dan Patrick show earlier this week do a little thrust, dodge, perry and spin at the NCAA and their mythical date to declare crap, had to give him a little golf clap then, as I do here.

Matt's picture

DESHAUN THOMAS STAYING WOOT

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Was just coming on here to post this!@!!!! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Rfahncke's picture

The ENTIRE goal of "higher" education is transition young people from young adults into persons ready to join the workforce and sustain their families in a profession that they choose. No one would give a rats arse if a kid dropped out after two years to get paid millions by Google (or to start Facebook). If the right employer calls (nba teams in this case) you'd have to be an absolute idiot to pass up the opportunity to get paid millions of dollars. Id bet the % of grads who walk imediately into their profession at 6 figures is less than 1%, let alone 7 or 8 figures with 0 debt! So To the People arguing that they need to stay in school my response is always....."what the hell for?"

"Have you earned your buckeye today?"

btalbert25's picture

Sounds like you loathe college sports as much as you loathe the entire state of Kentucky.  So why do waste so much time writing about something it's clear you hate.  You talk down on the colleges, the fans, and the NCAA.  I'm sure you don't like ESPN and their tabloid journalism and you don't like Charles Robinson and his well researched work.  What do you have to gain by writing for or about something you don't like so much.  If not for the hard work of college kids playing football and basketball this blog wouldn't exist either.  Granted no one is making millions off of it, but it gives you a place to rant and rave about the system you hate.  We're all part of it.  We think it's meaningful to all be fans of a team playing a game that plays in Ohio.  The demand we have for all things Ohio State feeds the beast.

The systems sucks we get it, but it's not ever going to change.  Get rid of Emmert and the NCAA and you sill have rich A-holes ripping off kids who aren't being paid.  The folks who run these schools and conferences are extremely powerful, their going to preserve the facade of amateurism at all cost because it keeps unlce sam away and it allows the schools to use their crown jewel program as a tool to get donors to fund different projects at the school.  Best way to get a guy to help build a new building, schmooze him in a luxury suite during an Ohio State Michigan game. 

Abe Froman's picture

Love it. This rings so true that many people will try to shoot holes in it. If only BJ and the others are smart enough to invest some of the cash so they are not living under an overpass five years after they retire....

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

ARMYBUCK's picture

I think this is your best piece of work to date DJ.  Good read.  I must admit in my selfishness I dont want every kid who has a chance to jump at millions to do just that.  Its just that, selfishness.  The ones that actually have a sense of loyalty to the university that we all love are the ones that become dear to our hearts.  The fact of the matter is they do deserve to be compensated for what they do...but I want to see Championships!  Do we deserve to see championships more than these kids deserve to see some kick-back?  NOPE.  Paint me SELFISH.

btalbert25's picture

Rarely do kids come back who would actually bet top picks though.  Sully wouldn't have come back if it weren't for the lockout.  Jones wouldn't have been back at Kentucky, Barnes wouldn't have gone back to UNC.  Thomas is coming back because in the end it's going to make him more money.  He could go this year, but wouldn't get drafted where he wants to.

That's one thing I actually agree with DJ in this entry on, a kid should leave as soon as they can.  I for one appreciate a coach who is honest witht hem about where they'll be drafted.  Pitino always has told his kids when they should stay or go.  He told Walker and Mercer to walk early.  He told Nazr Muhammed to come back one more year.  Muhammed lost a bundle by not staying in college one more year and developing his game.  Thomas could be a lottery pick next year, and  improve his game to the point to where he may have some staying power in the NBA.

Would I have blamed Thomas for leaving?  Nope, b ut at the same time he's going to ultimately make more money by coming back.

Dean's picture

I'm with you, DJ.  Also, re: Calipari, I'm really torn about the guy - on the one hand, it seems that violations, and not the "tats for memorabilia" sort, but the sort that actually alters the competitive balance, follow him wherever he goes.  On the other, from this and from articles I've read on him, he has his guys' back, and given the raw deal that players get, they need a coach who's looking out for their interests.

I love college sports, and I don't doubt that you do as well, and as much as the cranky-old-man part of me misses the days when guys stuck around for four years and college basketball was a better product, the brain part of me says that these guys are getting hosed for every year they are kept out of the professional leagues.  I'm really glad Tank's back, he's going to be great to watch next year, and I hope he'll improve his draft stock/help us win the NCAA tournament, but if he'd gone, I'd've been happy for him and rooted hard for him in the NBA.

Heck, once I read about Chris Webber's family's situation before he went pro, I couldn't even think ill of him for taking the extra benefits or for leaving early.  And he's CHRIS WEBBER.  I really wanted to hate him.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm one of those few non-Kentucky fans that doesn't hate Calipari. I used to, but then I really thought about it. I think he truly cares about his kids and is a decent guy from what I can see from my perspective.

Bucksfan's picture

Here's another tip, kids: colleges don't care if you can get an education.

That pretty much contradicts everything I know about Ohio State.  It contradicts everything I've ever heard Archie Griffin say.  It contradicts everything Bill Hall and Woody Hayes ever stood for.  It contradicts everything I ever heard any OSU administrator say.  It contradicts all my experiences working with those administrators while at OSU.  It contradicts everything the Honors and Scholars program stands for.  It contradicts all the tutoring and guidance counseling that OSU offers.  It contradicts the co-op and internship programs.  It contradicts the endowment.  It contradicts the university's mission statement.

This might be just a "sports blog," but it's a university sports blog, and one that covers Ohio State sports.  That one statement has to be the most assanine thing ever written by an 11W columnist.  I'm ashamed.

DJ Byrnes's picture

Here's a fun thought experiment for you. Ask yourself if these kids would be educated if they couldn't run fast or jump high. What if they were just run of the mill kids from shitty city schools? Would Archie have any interest in them then? I've seen his YouTubed pleas to talented athletes, yet I don't see any others. What gives?

Ohio State only has an interest in educating those who can pay for it or those who they can make their money back on (athletes). Education is simply a mean to an end, and in this case, like most cases, the end is $$$$$$. For the record, every for-profit college in America is the same.

Feel free to take a walk through campus to look at all the montronsities of contruction which is going on at Ohio State. I know, I know... these buildings paid for with future generations' money are there for educational purposes, and not so some deep-pocketed alumni can have his name in brick and mortar for the next 100 years.

Also, let's exmaine how strenous some of these classes are that "student-athletes" pull down these 3.7's from.

Yes, I guess they "care", in so much that Ohio State is getting theirs too. Sorry if the truth is abrasive to you.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

The truth might be abrasive to me if anything you wrote represented the truth, or a coherent thought, or at least was conveyed without a half-dozen gramatical errors.

It's evident that you have absolutely no idea how a college is run, nor have you had close contact with the people that run it.  Wow, you wrote a piece on athletic corruption in college.  Congratulations on a 65 year old conclusion.  Everything else you're writing is straight-up bullsh*t.  It's juvenile, ill-informed, anti-establishment bullsh*t.  And most of it is wrong.

There is a big difference between a college not caring about your education, and YOU not caring about your education.  This seems to have been lost on you somewhere.  You have a lot of audacity feigning pride in the education you've gotten or the sports you cover, all the while you scorn the very system that provides both.  If you don't have pride in either your education or the system, why in hell do you waste time writing for this website?

DJ Byrnes's picture

Lmao. For such poorly written drivel, it sure seems to have you all fired up, now doesn't it?

I know how a college is run. It's run just like every other business in America. Why do you think E. Gordon Gee is this university's president? It isn't because he's an educator, it's because he runs Ohio State like a Fortune 500 company. *OSU's shareholders nodding wistfully*

Yes, I wrote a piece on athletic corruption in college. You're the guy writing hundreds of words in response to that conclusion. Further more, you just declared it all as juvenile, ill-informed, anti-establishment bullshit, without ever so much as telling me what points you're talking about. I guess that's one way to present an argument, paint with brushes so broad your opponent is befuddled as where to begin.

Where did I take pride in my education? Where did I ever claim to be educated? Sorry, billion dollar institutions aren't above critique in my book. If this interferes with your pedantic love of some faceless entity you were loosely affiliated with for a few years, then please feel free to spin your yarns of tears. You're telling on yourself with each post.

You also don't know me, so don't pretend to, and don't put words in my mouth. As for the Title IX article, I stand by it, because Title IX has no place in big time collegiate athletics and is a convienant tool used by anti-reformists within college sports. (Those reformists also seem to always be the one MAKING THE MOST OFF THE SYSTEM. Ironic how that always works.)

You also never answered my question about Ohio State educating kids who couldn't run fast, jump high, or couldn't pay for tution. It's because it's true. Ohio State, as is the case with any for-profit college (which would by an oxymoron in any thinking society), only cares in so much as they're getting theirs in return.

So yeah, go American education system!!!!! It's obviously a success. Aren't American students #1 in almost any metric compared to international students? Yeah, what an unassailable system! 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

I'm glad you brought up Gordon Gee.  Why?  Because the guy could probably make 10 million dollars a year working for an ACUTAL fortune 500 company.  He's the president of Ohio State making 2 million a year because he's passionate about education.  Without people like Gordon Gee, someone who would remember your name and where you came from even if you only met him once in 1994, caring about education to the upmost extent, big state institutions like Ohio State would fail.  I can't believe I'm defending Ohio State University on an Ohio State blog to someone who regularly writes about its sports programs.

Pedantic love of a faceless entity?!  It's not a faceless entity.  Are you f'ing kidding me?!  Did you read that bullsh*t phrase in your worn copy of Twilight?! The faces of Ohio State are well known.  If YOU don't know them, or haven't worked with them, that's YOUR problem.  Not Ohio State's.  They gave you ample opportunity to do that.  It's YOUR fault for not taking advantage.  Again, if you don't have some semblence of loyalty to the foundation of your Ohio State experience (i.e. the SCHOOLIN' PART), then where the hell do you get off?  When I read your argicle, my mind immediately went to what the student advisors I worked with at Ohio State would say, and it left me feeling embarrassed and ashamed.  Your article as it pertains to Ohio State's end of the student-educator bargain is a disgrace to a lot of very smart people's very hard work that keep Ohio State the acclaimed institution that it is.

Your Title IX article was so full of crap that the internet's toilet clogged.

I most certainly answered your question about Ohio State educating kids who couldn't run fast or pay tuition.  That's what scholarships like Maximus are for (I'm a recipient).  That's what the millions of dollars in financial aid are for.  That's what student loans are for.  That's what the endowment's for.  That's what their minority outreach programs are for.  Everything you wrote about Ohio State turning its back on the underpriveledged is patently ignorant and baseless.  When I said what you wrote contradicted everything under that banner, I meant it.  And I'm right.  Read it again.

It's not Ohio State's fault that American students aren't #1.  It's the students' fault.  If you go to college only to graduate disagreeing with evolution or with a degree in a frivelous major, that's YOUR problem.  Ohio State offers world class science, medical, and engineering education.  It provides you with every possible tool to succeed in understanding the universe as best as the human race can describe.  If you don't take advantage of it, how is that Ohio State's problem?  Go b*tch about Ohio high schools not gearing you up for a real-world effort in college when they score you a 4.6 GPA.  Ohio State is what it is.  It's a UNIVERSITY.  It doesn't force you to study anything.  That's on YOU.  If you don't get it, then you're wasting YOUR money, or your parents' money, or the state's money.

JakeBuckeye's picture

You really don't get anything DJ is saying, do you? This isn't my argument, but I've been following it and your responses wander off into irrelevant areas.

Bucksfan's picture

Not so sure how it's irrelevant to dispute DJ's bullsh*t about Ohio State not caring one bit about the education of its students...something he claims, and something that's *ss-backwards wrong.

Pam's picture

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/04/07/osu-pumps-50m-into-scholarships.html

Pretty much blows the "they don't care" unless you can pay tuition or throw a FB arguement.

DJ Byrnes's picture

BTW, in the original article, I was only talking to elitely talented athletes. I even devoted a whole paragraph to the audience switch. (Don't tell the college educated guy that, because that would mean he would have to read.)

Since we're here though, and this is ground I feel quite comfortable standing on, I guess this goes back to how impressed you are with super-rich people writing checks to charities.

Billionaire writes a check to battered women's shelter, then he goes home to his seaside manse with his 16 cars. Does billionaire really care about battered women, or does the image he does just help him sleep at night?

50 million is a pittance to Ohio State. That money couldn't even buy half of their student union, the one they billed the students for (after it was built.) They then raised tuition on those same, beloved students. 

Look at all the construction going on on campus. All the land grabbing. All the tearing down and rebuilding. Where is this money going to come from? Oh, it's going to come from the students. 

What have they done to ensure college textbooks remain affordable? A quick jaunt through any college bookstore will answer that question. What about all the mandatory fees which get assigned by people who won't have to pay them? Why should students who don't use the RPAC (a LARGE MAJORITY OF STUDENTS) have to subsidize Ohio State's gross expendentures? They're little more than an extravagant recruiting tool to run wide-eyed recruits through, as away to ensure their revenue streams into the next generation.

It's all about money, as it ever is. Sorry if Ohio State's name-brand has deluded you into thinking otherwise. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Pam's picture

I believe the article states where the money will come from and it is not from students.

DJ Byrnes's picture

I believe I never claimed the 50 million dollar pittance came from students. I also believe you're trying to nail me on grounds I never staked for myself.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Pam's picture

DJ, my  thinking comes from being associated with tOSU for 38 years and it is not deluded. Don't  insult me like that again. 

DJ Byrnes's picture

An association you earned, by one means or another, through paying the University. Tell me, has Ohio State ever asked you for money?

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Pam's picture

Stop treating me like some dimless twit. Yes I paid tuition ($210 a quarter at the time) After graduation I could have ended my association, but have stayed connected through the alumni assoication and doing campus recruiting. I know what kind of school tOSU is and how my life has been affected by going there and the doors it opened for me. They ask me for money and I give it willlingly every year. It's called paying it forward.

Bucksfan's picture

"Why should students who don't use the RPAC (a LARGE MAJORITY OF STUDENTS) have to subsidize Ohio State's gross expendentures?

Where are you getting this bullsh*t?!  Students subsidize Ohio State's expenditures?!  The students are the ones being subsidized...by the people of Ohio!  It's a STATE SCHOOL, genius.  Your education costs 2-3 times more than what you're actually paying for it.

Like I say below, you get out of college what you put in.  If you don't want to use the world-class facilities at the university, that's your perrogative.  That's not Ohio State's fault.  They're providing you with an opportunity.  You could have chosen to go to a cheaper college somewhere that doesn't even have a rec center.  Why are you pinning your laziness on Ohio State?

DJ Byrnes's picture

Oh, neat. So they're also taking students' tax-money as well as their disposable money. What does it cost educating students, by the way? Especially in colleges, where the students are forced  to pay for their books (on top of tuition.) It would probably cost a lot less if people like Gordon Gee weren't raking 2 million dollars a year. 

As for subsidizing Ohio State's expenditures? In what era did you graduate? What is something like the "activity fee" put torwards, if not paying the bills at the RPAC? What about the Student Union "fee"? What the hell are these "fees" on top of tuition, if not just another way to get into the pockets of students to make sure the name-brand continues reaping the money it needs to continue its growth?

As for discussing Ohio State, I have no idea why I would be discussing Ohio State on an Ohio State blog. I guess I'm an uneducated idiot like that. But, this is going on at all American colleges, just not OSU.

BTW, that links to an article which I didn't write, and Ohio State isn't mentioned. Please read it and analyze it critically (something colleges are supposed to teach) before continuing.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

In what era did you graduate? What is something like the "activity fee" put torwards, if not paying the bills at the RPAC?

DJ, Jezus Christo, f'ing get a clue!  You did not build the 300 million dollar RPAC.  Or the amazing new union?  Did you?  You probably didn't contribute a dime to its planning, design, or construction.  It's on campus for EVERYONE.  Ohio State collects 600 dollars a year from you to cover the operations of buildings that contribute to your education, both within the classroom and out...both for your mind and for your body. 

IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO USE IT, THAT IS ON YOU!  I don't know how else to better say it.  You should have joined a club, and then spent time working out or playing intramurals between studying at one of the massive libraries.  Then your 200 dollars a quarter would have been well-spent on you gaining leadership experience while you're boosing your GPA and working out your frustrations with exercise.  I don't know how you spent your time at Ohio State, but sounds a lot like sour grapes because Ohio State didn't tie your shoes for you, too.

Your perspective on how this all works is so wrong and so misguided, I don't even get where your beef actually lies at this point in the discussion.

DJ Byrnes's picture

- What year did you graduate?

- I used the RPAC 3 to 5 times a week while I was a student at Ohio State. Just because something is there doesn't mean people have to use it. Why should students be forced to pay for something they don't use? Are these the actions of people who "care" about students, or just ones who see them as dollar signs? Put your privilege aside for a second and look at the equation. (I know that's going to be hard for you, because all your posts really are is personal chest-thumping disguised as "pulling yourself up from your own bootstraps" social darwinism.)

Did you read the article I posted? Probably not. It's just easier to assume my argument is based in sour grapes, which it isn't. (As evidenced by me wrting for an Ohio State blog which doesn't pay me 2 million dollars a year.)

 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

Yeah, I read it.  You wrote an article that attempts to rationalize encouraging athletes to pursue the proverbial lottery that a handful (out of 50,000) of Ohio State student-athletes qualify to win by asserting that the University doesn't care about their education, or really anyone's education, because you're just a $ and a # in a computer.

It's an incorrect assessment.  If that was true, everything I know about Ohio State is false.  Forget the fact that the money is plenty incentive enough, you had to rake Ohio State through the coals for no good reason.  I have adequately explained why.  We may have gotten off on a tangent, but at the end of the day, you don't HAVE to go to college.  No one is forcing you to attend Ohio State.  If you apply for the opportunity to obtain a degree, and you meet the qualifications - no matter who you are, how much money you have, whether you're privelaged, or whether you can run fast - you will be given an opportunity to obtain a degree.  It's not cheap.  But it's do-able.  Maybe it's an easier road for some than others.  That's life.  Making broad, sweeping, wrong generalizations about the purpose of college based on your gut feeling as it applies to 4 or 5 athletes a year is irresponsible.

The Six Fingered Buckeye's picture

After watching this whole back and forth, the most misguided comment you wrote was "Why should students be forced to pay for something they don't use?"

Like it or not, DJ, this is the way the world works. How many childless people pay property taxes that go to schools in which they do not have any children? How many tax dollars go to weapons systems that no one actually uses? The fact of the matter is that, in the real world, some of our dollars go to things that we don't personally benefit from. It's called a social contract, DJ.

I was with you for a good portion of this, but this argument you have put forth defies logic. You paid for a portion of RPAC for ALL students, regardless of whether or not you personally use it. Tuition payments are made to the school and then get disbursed to various programs. Should philosophy majors not be on the hook for any portion of the physical sciences department?

 

Please, be honest. This is for science.

faux_maestro's picture

Playing devils advocate for a second, property taxes for schools are voted on by the people. People without children have the right to vote against raising their property taxes. Students in this case have no such opportunity.

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DJ Byrnes's picture

bingo

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The Six Fingered Buckeye's picture

Students have the choice to not attend the University if they feel that the fees are too onerous or don't serve the purpose or benefit of the student. They are not held at gunpoint and forced to attend the school.

Again, it's part of the social contract that they agree to when they are admitted to the University. DJ laments that students that don't use the facilities, of their own accord, are asked to foot part of the bill. It's incredibly shortsighted and, to be honest, a bit selfish.

Please, be honest. This is for science.

DJ Byrnes's picture

"People don't have to work in sweatshops, they have a choice to leave. They could go live in abject poverty back on their pitiful farms, for example."

Just because somebody's there by choice means you can exploit them. Especially since, once you're locked into a college, it can be pretty tricky to move to another one.

Besides, what is a junior whose been at Ohio State their career supposed to do about a $75 fee which was sprung on them to help pay for Ohio State's monstrosity of a Student Union?

As for the RPAC, have you ever been in there? Probably not. It's usually over-crowded and there's never any locker space. It looks good when perspective students are whisked through it though, and as a jewel next to Ohio Stadium. You'd think that'd pay for it in itself, but just to make sure, Ohio State is going to tax you all the same, because they know the masses will bitch and gripe and then go about their day.

Meanwhile the next building goes up. But yeah, these people care about you.

And I'm the one being selfish?

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

William's picture

There's plenty of space in the RPAC, your statements alone prove that you have no idea what you're talking about at this point. I have no idea what has made you so bitter towards establishment in our lives DJ, but you need to take a step back and appreciate what you have in the first place. Quit bitching about being privileged enough to attend an institution of higher learning that happens to charge you, is it too much to be happy with the fact that these institutions provide an education that most people in this world will never receive? Also quit with the "colleges only take those that have athletic talent or can afford it" angle, have you heard of a fucking academic scholarship? 

DJ Byrnes's picture

William, I was scheming on skeezy women on the treadmills in the RPAC back when you were tugging your mother's juice box to middle school. You've apparently never used the locker-rooms, because amongst the forests of unshaven pubic hair and swinging penises, there is a small corner for people who didn't win the locker lottery to lock up their things. You'd also notice the large swaths of the people in that area are students. The old crippled guys usually have the nice lockers up front. 

You'd also know how small the weight area actually is, and how crowded it gets during peak hours. You'd also know how shitty the basketballs are, or the courts which are unavailable to play on a lot of the time. You'd also realize how shitty and disgusting most of the equipment is. Maybe afterwards, you'd stop by and pick up a $8 smoothie made by a minum-wage barista who doesn't give a shit.

This isn't against "the establishment." It's a very specific rant against very specific people. Namely, the ones who now charge $3000+ a quarter to a school Pam used to pay $210 a quarter to attend. Has the price on instruction gone up that much in that amount of time? 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

William's picture

The RPAC has drastically changed since your time at OSU then. I've found it not impossible to get a locker, secondly the courts/balls are in perfectly fine condition and while the weight room can get a little crowded, there's always space. It's not the facilities that is the problem, it's you. Not everything can be placed at your feet and be exactly how you want it. If the weight room is a little packed during a certain time, go at a different time. If you feel like the quality of the athletic equipment is poor, go buy your own. The problem has nothing to do with the facilities but more so the fact that everything doesn't go your way in the most perfect manner. This isn't called the "manipulation and degradation of students who pay exorbitant fees", it's called being spoiled. 

DJ Byrnes's picture

See the bottom. We're well passed the point of absurdity in regards to the slenderness of these boxes.

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faux_maestro's picture

There's plenty of space in the RPAC, your statements alone prove that you have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

 

This statement proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Many times I've been to RPAC and had to leave because there was no lockers/no machines/no place to go.

Also quit with the "colleges only take those that have athletic talent or can afford it" angle, have you heard of a fucking academic scholarship?

 

Don't think this is his angle. Academic scholarship or not, they really don't give a damn about you. I've felt it too.

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William's picture

You guys must have a serious problem with getting lockers. Every time I've gone to workout I've been able to get a locker as well as find an open machine, bench, court or what have you. As for the "they don't care about you" argument, that's probably the most pessimistic viewpoint I've ever heard. They don't care about us students, that's why my professors are always willing to schedule appointments with me, that's why Gee is willing to go to lunch with students all the time or drop in at frat parties. That's why Wexner drops serious cash on the university, just so he can have his name on the side of a building, not because it will have a positive impact on the student body and community. I don't know you guys can make it through life living it so miserably, pessimistically, and in such a constant state of ridiculous nonconformity/paranoia. It's ok to take the tinfoil hats off, no one is listening to you...

faux_maestro's picture

I don't know you guys can make it through life living it so miserably, pessimistically, and in such a constant state of ridiculous nonconformity/paranoia. It's ok to take the tinfoil hats off, no one is listening to you...

 

I'm not miserable, paranoid, or anything else you mentioned. It's just that the feeling I get is that unless you have some use to the faculty, while you are in school or out, or can donate money, they don't really give a damn about you.

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faux_maestro's picture

What about when you start at OSU and then after a year or two they start adding fee after fee? Are you telling me that now I must transfer?

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DJ Byrnes's picture

I'm well aware of the way the world works. It doesn't mean I have to like it, go along with it, or propogatate it any further.

Ohio State students pay tuition, and that's only as far as colleges who actually care about students would get in their pockets.

But it doesn't stop there. There's "activity fees", "student union fees". When was the last time people like Bucksfan or Pam paid a college bill? Because the ones I dealt with look a lot different than the ones they seem to remember.

These fees are mandatory. To get your degree, you have to pay them. By the way, as a student at Ohio State, you really have zero voice in how these fees are levied against you. I don't recall hearing about a student union fee until the building was scheduled to be open.

And yes, I'm well aware of social contracts. It's why I get a kick out of people's blatant profiteering on things like education. It's why I laugh when people like Pam talk to me about "paying it forward," when they belong to a generation which is going to bankrupt my generation on the way to their graves. Maybe my generation will have paid off their student loans by then, if the student loan bubble hasn't yet burst by then.

Ohio State cares about your education much in the way a place like Sizzler cares about your meal. They'll do their best -- and they'll certainly feed you for the rest of your life if ONLY YOU WILL LET THEM. You won't eat at Sizzler, though, unless you can pay for it. So yeah, I guess Sizzler "cares" about my well-being.

Yes, Ohio State threw 50 million dollars into a scholarship slush-fund. The fact scholarships are even needed at a state institution is laughable in its own right. And, as the largest public university in the world, what has Ohio State done to change this system which is clearly broken?

They haven't done anything but build buildings and make money, all the while having their hand out for more. "Pay it forward," indeed.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

BTW, in the original article, I was only talking to elitely talented athletes.

I think Ohio State's pistol, fencing, tennis and volleyball teams would like to have a word with you.

DJ Byrnes's picture

Did you not read my Title IX article? I'd love to have a word with them too.

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Bucksfan's picture

Well, when you actually sack up and give that a try, make sure you record it and post it on this blog.

DJ Byrnes's picture

What is there to "sack up" to? I wouldn't be saying anything that the lack of fans at things like Women's volleyball and fencing matches already tells them anyway.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

No, you would be staking your reputation, face, and name on the line to expose the university athletic system (and university system in general) for the corrupt fraud that it is by going straight to the source of the corruption - Women's Volleyball.  Or Gordon Gee.  Or Tracy Stuck.  Or whoever popped up in an article that you read one day.  Like I said, sack up.  Make sure you tell them you're from 11W, too...the free voice of Ohio State athletic fanhood.  Please, on all of our behalfs, please do something about this injustice that is collegiate experience!

DJ Byrnes's picture

Yes, that's exactly what I wrote. "Women's volleyball is the source of all corruption in college sports." That's exactly what I wrote. I wrote it 500 times, formed them into paragraphs, and then I posted it on the internet.

Again, what is there to sack up to? My government name is on what I wrote, as is the 11W banner. I'm not the one profiteering here, so I have nothing to "sack up" to. It's not like I'm lobbing anonymous bombs of rage on the internet, that's you.

Make me King of the World, my friend, and I will bring justice to these streets within the moon cycle.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

DJ Byrnes's picture

What do you want me to do? I'm an uneducated 25 year old with a decimal in between the four digits involved in my bank account. Show me how to make the world burn, wise one, and trust I will be the first to light the flame.

Extra points if you can tell me how to do this without money. You know, the thing a majority of students at Ohio State have to hand to Ohio State before they're seen as fit to be educated. (The actions of a CARING entity, to be sure.)

Seeing as I've reduced you to your favorite argumentative tool (childish retorts), I'm going to go for an afternoon walk to acquire some sort of chemically saturated food in order to continue my  feeble existence.

If you would like the last word on this affair, the stage is all yours. I won't even make you pay me before you can use it. (I guess I care about more things than I knew.)

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

DJ Byrnes's picture

I'm growing bored with this argument, but here you go anyway.

- I see Gordon Gee's bowtie has snookered another individual. He's to be lauded for making 2 million instead of 10, as if he's some great philanthropist working for peanuts out of his charitable heart? Doesn't Gordon have enough money to last him a lifetime? He'd work for free if it was truly all about the kids. Drawing a 2 million dollar salary as the head of a college is disgusting. But hey, he's just doing what people like Mark Emmert have done for years.

By the way, if you think E. Gordon Gee remembers every person he glad-hands with like he's some autistic savant, I have seven acres of ocean front property in Boise, Idaho which you might be interested in.

Ah yes, the advisors you had to work with. Tell me, did you have to wait two weeks to take a meeting with them? I usually did. Which, by the way, is the only tidibit I've included about my personal education and experiences with Ohio State. My argument was Ohio State will educate you if they can make their money back on you (elite athlete), or you can pay tuition. In your defense against this point, you listed a bunch of ways for students to acquire money to pay Ohio State. 

So, it's the students jobs now to make sure America isn't shitty at school? Lol. For somebody who claims their opponent has something "ass-backwards" (a shitty coloqialism which shouldn't be used by somebody who is scolding others for their grammar on the internet), that's hilarious. There are no shitty students, Bucksfan, there are only shitty teachers. And judging by America's test scores, there are a lot of shitty teachers in America.

Allow me to distill your argument to what it really is, a personal anecdote based on your own experiences at Ohio State. You paid them their money and they gave you an "education", although based on this argument, I don't see much proof of that.

If you wouldn't have been able to accrue the funds or been unwilling to pimp yourself out to the student-loan money sharks, then you would have been left out on the street. An otherwise  perfectly good mind, suddenly unfit to walk the halls of this great university of ours. 

Using this equation, it's easy to see Ohio State cares more about the money than it does your education. That was my point in that sentence, one of hundreds of sentences in the article, and the one on which you chose to make this futile stand of yours. Congratulations, 100 internet points for you.

As for the Title IX article, you can either dismantle it point by point (which is what they teach you to do in things like college), or you can pretend it's one of the shittiest things written on the internet, which it isn't because the internet is a cesspool. You went the latter route, and your childish arguments suffer for it.

You're losing this argument, and you're cheapening the Ohio State degree with every post of yours,. I guess it goes to show you, just because you hold a piece of paper signifying you jumped through a bunch of academic hoops, it doesn't mean you actually know shit.

Oh, and how dare you accuse me of being a Twilight reader. I detest Twilight, and if I could burn every single copy of it in this world, I would. (I love books by the way.) Again, you would know these things if you actually knew me, and just weren't popping off at the mouth with stupid shit because you read something you disagreed with on the internet. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

My argument was Ohio State will educate you if they can make their money back on you (elite athlete), or you can pay tuition.

No, your argument is that they don't care about your education.  I was abundantly clear when I pointed out the quote from your article.

I'm glad you can recognize how the exchange of money for goods and services works.  It must have been a big day for you when you graduated to using the plus and minus signs in arithmetic.  Yes, it costs money to go to college.  WTF is your point?!  But that's irrelevant to my problem with your point of view.

By the way, if you think E. Gordon Gee remembers every person he glad-hands with like he's some autistic savant, I have seven acres of ocean front property in Boise, Idaho which you might be interested in.

You could have saved time and just admit that you don't know him.

Ah yes, the advisors you had to work with. Tell me, did you have to wait two weeks to take a meeting with them?

No, I was actually involved in student organizations that worked closely with Ohio State higher-ups.  Like I already said, I understand VERY well that you didn't take advantage of this type of Ohio State experience.  Sucks for you, but if you did you wouldn't have the opinion that Ohio State does not care about your education.  They tell you on day 1 to get involved.  At orientation, they say "You get out of this what you put into it."  I guess they didn't tell you well enough?  It's Ohio State's fault you didn't get involved?  It's Ohio State's fault you didn't study?  Or take advantage of the millions of dollars in university resources they dangle in front of your face?

You have to own what you purchase at the college level.

Allow me to distill your argument to what it really is, a personal anecdote based on your own experiences at Ohio State.

At least mine is based on something that actually happened, and what very smart and very well-known people actually said or say about Ohio State (refer to my first post here).

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*sigh*

I guess you wouldn't have a problem with it, Bucksfan, if you think education is something to be comodified and sold. I guess Tide actually CARES about my laundry and well being. Who knew?

And so what, because you sat in some meetings with Gordon Gee, you suddenly know the man? Say, if you know him so well, why don't you call him on his personal phone, during non-business hours, and ask him how he sleeps at night pulling down a 2 million dollar salary as the head of an educational institute.

You were involved with "student organizations", you sound like the type of guy who knows everything. In fact, you also seem to know about my study habits and experiences at Ohio State, even though the only thing I've told you about my personal experience with Ohio State is that I had to wait 2-weeks to see an advisor.

"My arguments are based on personal experiences and the words said by those who are paid by the university itself."

This is something you readily admit yourself. It's laughable, only I'm not laughing.

I give you an F. That's for failure, which is the only word I can think of to describe your attempts at logic and reasoning.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

thorvath22's picture

I'm curious, why is it ok for a young man to make 2 million a year playing a game but not ok for a university president to make the same wages?

Statutoryglory's picture

Love it DJ.  You're right on.  Fantastic argumenting.

DJ Byrnes's picture

And lastly, I've written way more asinine things than that sentence.

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Abe Froman's picture

So because you disagree with the approach of the article, you say it is poorly written. Dont get me wrong, I am no literature agent, in fact I am a republican that carries a large CO2 footprint and therefore and probably hated by the left. However, the job of the staff is to intice us to read and to think about the content of each article. It looks like DJ has done a good job at that...(purposeful lack of sentence structure).

I totally agree with the fact that the NCAA and each and every college cares more about the fact that athletes bring in revenue to the university in comparison to them actually receiving an education.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Bucksfan's picture

My response was pertaining to it being asinine.  That's an interpretation of the gravely sexist and archaic point of view he presents.  The fact that things are poorly written was in response to something else.

DJ Byrnes's picture

There you go again, Bucksfan. What exactly is "archaic" and "gravely sexist" about my article? Oh, I don't know, because you never said. You just called it a name, as if it were an article scrawled onto a bar of a jungle gym on an elementary school playground. (This is your que to type, "IT MIGHT AS WELL BE LOLOLOL".)

A defense based on personal anecdotes and childish declarations is no defense at all, Bucksfan. Next time, why don't you try grinding a few of your braincells together to produce counterpoints to shit I'm actually talking about.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Bucksfan's picture

My assessment of your Title IX view is well-covered in the comments section of that piece.  No need to rehash it.

Statutoryglory's picture

100%.  Simply dismissing an argument as "sexist" is no different than calling the writer a "poopy face".  You attack a person's points with logic and reason, not pc classifications.

Bucksfan's picture

Logic and reason are wasted on those who are sexist.  You can't change their mind with it, because it is an irrational conviction to begin with.  Saying someone's viewpoint is sexist is not an ad hominem, personal attack.  It's a classification of their view.  It is very clear what the term "sexist" means.  It shouldn't have to be explained any further than the article itself.  But as I said, if you're interested in the dissection of his view, read THAT article.

faux_maestro's picture

I am a graduate of THE Ohio State University, and I'm currently a student working on my masters degree. I wouldn't trade my time at OSU for anything. I'm proud of my degree. But I have to agree with DJ. What he says doesn't contradict anything I've seen in my experience at OSU.

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btalbert25's picture

What about athletes in non revenue sports.  If someone is good at Lacrosse they end up getting scholarships at schools too, and they likely never will cash in on that opportunity.  Likely they wouldn't get a scholarship if they weren't good at running fast and catching a ball in that little net.  One thing is certain, they don't generate a dime for Ohio State, but because of their athletic ability they are given a free education. 

See this, to me, is where all the anti NCAA rants miss the mark.  They only look at things through the lens of football and basketball.  Even at that, we're talking about a couple dozen programs that perform at a much much higher level than 95 percent of the programs in the country.  For many schools and programs the system isn't broken.  We're talking about the elite schools that attract elite talent.  We aren't talking about Davidson or NKU here.  

I don't dispute that the system is broken, but you act as if every school and all their athletics programs and just ripping kids off and giving them the shaft.  The only ones getting used are the 1 or 2 out of 10 who are good enough to make a professional league.  You ignore the 1000's who certainly will be going pro in something else. 

DJ Byrnes's picture

Kids who fence and play lacrosse usually come from privileged families. I'm not worried about them. If theyre "going pro in something other than college sports", then there's this thing I like to call "intramurals" which I would point them torwards.

The "2 out of 10" kids are the ones who usually aren't coming from privilege, and they're usually the ones with the most talent. They're the golden geese on which little Suzy Lacrosse Player gets her free education. Why? Because she was good enough at a sport in which only a small handful of people play and nobody watches?

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Statutoryglory's picture

Yup.  Find me a lacrosse program in an inner city area.  

BuckeyeJim's picture

The article wasn't too bad for somebody with PMS. I hope you feel better in a couple of days DJ. 11W like my college asked me for money and I gave to both. Now I feel cheated. Shitty Teachers, really. Have you ever taught? Don't make assumptions that you know nothing about.

BuckeyeJim's picture

"When they belong to a generation which is going to bankrupt my generation on the way to their graves."

I think the boomers did pretty well for the spoiled brats that are now supposed to be leaders and help build our country.

DJ, you are making some people irritated for a football site that is to be void of politics namely me.

DJ Byrnes's picture

How exactly am I supposed to lead, BuckeyeJim? I'm not even old enough to run for President. 

As for agitating you, fine. I'm won't lose sleep over agitating the type of guy who makes PMS jokes. In fact, I might even find pleasure in it.

I also fail to see where I brought politics into this. The financial insolvency of Social Security and Medicare is well known. Facts don't have any political bend, my friend. Any reading into my words beyond that are just done by your own insecurities.

As for the "spoiled brats" of today, weren't you the ones who led the way? 

 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

BuckeyeJim's picture

You blasted teachers and my generation. I cannot, with clear conscious, be a part of a group that supports this type of rhetoric. I want 11W to cancel my account.

DJ Byrnes's picture

To be fair, I only blasted shitty teachers and said your generation will bankrupt Social Security and Medicare on their way to the grave. Sorry if the facts anger like they do.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

faux_maestro's picture

Yeah, the boomers are doing a GREAT job. Have you seen the national debt? Seen how it's skyrocketed since the 80's when the boomers started being the "leaders"?

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Whosisbrew's picture

Spoiled brats indeed. I work for a company that makes millions of dollars, while getting paid an hourly rate, no benefits, and saddled with nearly $100,000 of college loan debt that I'll be digging myself out of over the course of the next 15 years. THE LIFE OF A KING!

Denny's picture

Think we're bad? Wait for our spoiled brat offspring to get on your lawn.

Taquitos.

DJ Byrnes's picture

William, everybody who has a roof over their head and food in their stomach is spoiled. So in that sense, yes I am very spoiled.

In the sense that I'm the guy questioning the multi-billion dollar institution about their dipping into the pockets of 18-22 year olds with zero actual wealth, then no, I'm not spoiled.

Did you read that article that I posted? Because this isn't just about the RPAC and Ohio State's incessant taxing. It's a much larger issue which I've allowed you trolls to wittle me down to. This has nothing to do with things being laid out at my feet, lmao. The only thing being laid at my feet right now is your generalizations about my existance. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

tampa buckeye's picture

I wouldn't waste your energy trying to change the way these posters think DJ.  Try and focus your efforts on things that should be important to you as a 25 year old.  Getting your drink on, getting laid and if your job allows for it getting blazed.  

That is all.  

DJ Byrnes's picture

I appreciate the support, Tampa; if only because it's nice to see somebody agrees with me. I don't have a problem with any of these detractors. I like debating and it's about a subject I feel very passsionately about. I can take all the heat -- it's just intranats and lulz to me -- so no need to ride on anybody on behalf of my jacket, hahahahaha.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

William's picture

Because those are the things a 25 year old should aspire to do? I'd hope to either be finishing grad school or have a career by then....

Edit: DJ, I will say this, I agreed wholeheartedly with your piece on Title IX, however with this piece I disagree vehemently. Definitely appreciate your work, just not this article. That is all.

DJ Byrnes's picture

I think I will be able to sleep tonight. Would you be interested in coming over and reading ur post to me over and over... until I fall asleep in your arms?

Cheers, mate! And welcome to the big leagues!

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Statutoryglory's picture

Actually I enjoy reading a great strategic teardown of an argument.  Keep it coming.  It's more fun to read sometimes than the article.

The Six Fingered Buckeye's picture

Huh. Guess the new commenting policy doesn't apply if you have the shiny "Staff" box next to your name.

In the past two articles DJ has written for this site, I've seen more unprofessional remarks in the articles as well as the comments than I have in all my time reading SportsByBrooks. If your bread and butter is to be condescending, crude, and outright disgusting in your articles and comments, DJ, then perhaps I also should find another place to digest Ohio State news and commentary.

I guess the target demographic eats it up, but those of us who have grown up can find it boring, tasteless, and out of line.

Please, be honest. This is for science.

DJ Byrnes's picture

I guess it'd be much easier to change your website browser than it would be to transfer schools as a junior at Ohio State if they were upset about a $75 student union fee. It's hilarious how it works when one scenario fits your agenda and one doesn't, isn't it?

Condescing, crude and disgusting. Are you not aware I'm from Marion, Ohio? Did you not see the jar for tears outside the saloon door? Newsflash: I'm not a professional. I write opinion pieces on the internet. 

This is what outsiders call an "internet blog." There are many people who write much better things than me here. My name is literally right under the title of this piece.

I'd feel sympathy if I put a gun to your head and made you read my spewn drivel.  Also, I think your main problem is that you spend a bunch of time reading SportsByBrooks. 

Make no mistake, we both write idiocies into the internet, but only one of us is parading around as a professional. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

The Six Fingered Buckeye's picture

Being from Marion gives you license to be a prick? Ok then. Guess you want to live up to that stereotype. How about you not blame your attitude on where you were brought up and try and break through that stereotype and try and be a better Marionaire? My take? You don't want to. That's all on you though. 

While you may not want to call yourself a professional, this site is trying to embark on hiring a beat writer, increasing their legitimacy. Having your articles appear here reduce that legitimacy.

So while this is an "internet blog," it's also the self-titled "Largest free Ohio State site on the internet." This means that you get a lot of different types of people come here. There are types that will see your "spewn drivel" and summarily go elsewhere. You alienate a part of your target audience simply because you don't wish to be any different. To each their own, I guess.

I originally came to this site on the recommendation of a friend and enjoyed the writings of quite a lot of the contributors here. But you, DJ, have caused at least two people to remove this site from their bookmarks list.

I guess you figure the numbers game will work in your favor. But yes, you are writing idiocies on the internet, which is why if I happen to see "DJ Byrnes" as the byline, I'll skip right over it. If your nonsensical attitude towards your readership starts to leak into other columnists' articles, then I'll simply leave altogether.

But for a site trying to become a legit site with a beat writer and everything to continue to let you write this drivel is mindboggling.

Furthermore, even if I had only gone to SBB one time, you still exhibit the worst possible qualities in someone that writes for a site that wants to be one of the big boys.

Please, be honest. This is for science.

DJ Byrnes's picture

I guess I'm a prick, in sense that I'm defending myself against a guy under an alias who is raining judgement on me based on drivel I've typed into the abyss of the internet.

Tell me, sir, who is the bigger fool? The idiot writing or the one who reads his articles and then gets on the internet to engage the writer of those idiocies?

I love my readers. Being known by strangers at E2B as "that Warren G. Harding guy" was one of the proudest moments of my life. It will also probably be the only thing on my tombstone. (Woops, there I go again, reminding others of their own mortality. Might have just offended somebody by reminding them that they're going to die one day.)

My thoughts won't leak onto other pages, because again, those writers are their own sovereign human beings with their own mental processes. Alex, for example, has a way of dumbing the recruiting process down for simpletons like me. I enjoy his writing. I click on it and read it.

Things I don't like, I don't click on. I also left "being offended on the internet" back where it belongs: in 1996. Maybe it had something to do with turning the sage age of 10. 

I've engaged my detractors point for point. You have been reduced to crying about somebody making crude jokes on the internet; and now, you want me to run after you after your "IM GUNNA TAKE MY BALL HOME" piss-rant. 

Go home, then. Or at least, don't click on my articles again. You will though, so you might as well just take your L and accept it now. #EVL

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Denny's picture

STOP IMPINGING ON MY FREE WILL BY PROVIDING CONTENT FREE OF CHARGE ON THIS HERE SERIES OF TUBES.

Taquitos.

faux_maestro's picture

Being from Marion gives you license to be a prick?

 

Does this fall under the new commenting policy? The one you referenced?

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ost8fan3245's picture

i tend to agree with DJ about the stupidity of the NCAA.

with that said, every DJ Byrnes article reads like this:

Marion

Marion

NCAA sucks

Warren Harding

NCAA sucks

Marion

Marion

Charles Robinson/Dan Wetzel are hacks

Marion

Warren Harding

NCAA sucks

DJ Byrnes's picture

... add in "crude drug humor" somewhere and you hit the nail on the head. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

JasonBuck's picture

Wow....can't say I've ever seen a article typed where the readers got into a argument with a 11W staff member......just shocked....and disappointed

DJ Byrnes's picture

You must have missed the time one of these bangers devolved to the point somebody posted a picture of a Pakistani wearing a 9-11 Burning Twin Towers graphic t-shirt.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

JasonBuck's picture

Being a military veteran (Army) not sure I would have been able to handle that. It'd almost be worth getting banned for....Glad I missed it....

Bucksfan's picture

It's not every day that an 11W staff member asserts that "Ohio State doesn't care about your education," and then repeatedly engages us and with condescention when we challenge it.

Idaho Helga's picture

I agree with most of the content of the original article. But, as I went to THE OSU all 4 years on an academic scholarship I will note that nobody cared who I ate with, did I sell books back, if anyone gave me, no tatoos, $ etc (and I am from Columbus). I cannot imagine the invasion of privacy these atheletes now have. I had a 4 year earned ride. Yet nobody noticed me at Burger King. Think that Braxton Miller can have an interrupted meal there in Columbus? This all comes with a price; and lets keep in mind these people are 18-20 years old. How important was it to you then when you were away from home to be able to move around in the public? You, probably like me, didn't even consider it to be a problem for anyone. Remember those years? Were YOU ever home for long, or were your friends pretty important to you and hell, McDonalds, a breakfast at IHOP, a regular thing? I was a pretty decent/responsible kid in college, but I wonder how I would have done in 1984 with the NCAA, Columbus Dispatch, etc nipping at my heels at every turn following my social life, financial transactions, cars, what a breach of privacy. Would YOU put up with an employer today who did this? Oh, I forgot. They can't get paid.

My Dads cousins owned PaPaJoes and I worked for PaPa Joes 5 years although mostly not the campus location as my dad and mom were against my spending much time at what was really a seedy bar. Problems there? Mucho.

If I could have done academically 1 year and gone to my chosen profession for huge $$; exactly WHO DOESN'T DO THAT? My point is that those who think these guys "should just stay and get their diploma" are just silly. I will welcome banter from any of them. It's not YOUR college experience that pertains to them. They have certainly given enough to tOSU for them not to "owe us anything" (for those of you who can do the $$$$ on what the university made on them) so all I pray for is decent and reliable mentors for them to make the right decision for their future.

Good to know, is the Matta seems pretty fair and honest with them.