Thursday Skull Session

By Chris Lauderback on March 22, 2012 at 6:00a
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Merry Madness, everyone! All you have to do is get through your work day and as a reward, you can watch your beloved Buckeyes make a bid for a berth in the Elite Eight.

As icing on the cake, Ohio State's first appearance in the Elite Eight since 2007 would come at the expense of the hated UC Bearcats. 

For years, I mostly hated the Bearcats because my Dad told me to as he was an avid fan of the Lucas and Havlicek bunch that lost to UC in the national title game two straight years. 

Thankfully, since then I've been able to experience other events that allowed me to build my own personal connection to the hate and with that, I  feel it's my civic duty to make sure the rest of you born after those losses in the early 60's realize just exactly why you hate the basketball Bearcats.

HATE LESSON 1: THE DAMON FLINT SAGA. Mr. Basketball in Ohio for the year 1992, Damon Flint was a smooth shooting lefty wing from Cincy Woodward. The kid committed to Ohio State but soon after, someone tipped off the NCAA that an OSU assistant coach had given Flint money for lunch and a gym bag, indirectly, through a Woodward assistant coach while Flint was on his official visit in Columbus. 

Oh, looky there. The Woodward assistant coach strongly believed to have accompanied Flint on his trip to C-Bus? None other than little Mick Cronin. 

And wouldn't you know it, soon after Flint distanced himself from the fiasco brewing in Columbus and committed to the Bearcats, who would Huggins hire straight out the high school ranks to be his new video coordinator? Yep, little Micky Cronin. 

Draw your own conclusions who helped turned in the Buckeyes and parlayed it into a sweet new gig in Division I hoops. 

HATE LESSON 2: TAKE YOUR LOSS LIKE A MAN. With the lingering hatred and the very real notion that Ohio State simply avoided Cincinnati largely because they had nothing to gain coupled with Andy Geiger's disdain for Bob Huggins' flashy, drunken style, the Buckeyes and Bearcats would go 44 years before they finally met again on the hardwood, this time in Indianapolis at the John Wooden Classic in December 2006. 

The Oden/Conley led Buckeyes took the Bearcats behind the woodshed racing out to a 42-14 halftime lead before coasting to a 72-50 victory. Butthurt over the dismantling, Cronin and his star shooting guard Deonta Vaughn conducted a presser for the ages. This singular event, covered in the infancy of 11W, remains a key moment that hooked me into covering OSU hoops ever since. I present you with an appetizer: 

Cronin probably tearing up as he talks about OSU avoiding the Bearcats until they were down:

"I'm not going to beat a dead horse," Cronin said. "From everything that's been said the last few days, it's pretty clear they're not interested in it. They caught us when we were down. I got a contract after coach (Bob) Huggins got fired and it was obvious we were going to be in a depleted state. "I left it in my AD's hands to make overtures, but I'm not going to beat a dead horse with it. Cincinnati basketball has had great tradition and it's been quite successful since 1962, so if they don't want to play us. Why would they elect to schedule the game at this point?" Cronin said. "I know coach (Tony) Yates, coach (Ed) Badger and coach Huggins made overtures for years. I made mine. If they don't want to play us, fine."

Cronin, following a back rub from Vaughn, continues on how the meanie schedule was mean since UC had already faced Xavier earlier in the week:

"I think to schedule these two games in the same week, where Ohio State didn't play all week and was laying in wait for us, was a disadvantage. Today we did not show the intensity that we've shown for the most part all year. I think our kids were emotionally drained from Wednesday night."

Not to be outdone, Vaughn rocked the mic to explain his take on the proper excuse and how Oden (14 pts, 11 reb, 5 blk in 27 min) had little to do with the outcome:

"Being a different facility we really weren't too familiar with the rims," Vaughn said. "We practiced (at Canseco), but we had to go from the practice court to the main court. We weren't familiar with how the court is or how the balls are. We play with a different ball and to us the ball seemed a little smaller that the balls we play with. I don't think he (Oden) made a difference at all."

Those damn rims in Conseco Fieldhouse. And why are the Bearcats playing with such big balls?

"Dammit, Ed, even you make Valentine look competent"

THE SWEET 16 OF ALL TIME. Last night, CBS Sports finished up their series ranking the top 16 college basketball teams of all time. The series was well done featuring a round table of experts summarizing the exploits of the Sweet 16 while including snippets from players and some pretty sweet highlights. I flirted with leaving this thing out of the Skully due to the blogosphere's universal hatred of slideshows not involving Halle Berry, Brittany Daniels as she dismounts that horse in Joe Dirt, or bacon but it is a solid look at some of the best squads in NCAA history. 

It's a little shiesty that Ohio State's 1960 national championship squad was only ranked 14th considering it featured five NBA players (Lucas, Havlicek, Siegfried, Roberts, Nowell) and won the title over Cal in what basically amounted to a road game in San Francisco but it's hard to argue with the Final Four:

4. 1982 North Carolina Tar Heels - Featured Jordan, Sleepy Sam and Worthy and beat a damn good Georgetown team to win it all. 

3. 1973 UCLA Bruins - In the championship game win over Houston and Elvin Hayes, Bill Walton went 21/22 from the floor for 44 points. 

2. 1968 UCLA Bruins - The Lew Alcindor led Bruins went 29-1 and won the championship game by 23 points over UNC. 

1. 1976 Indiana Hoosiers - Robert Montgomery Knight. 32-0. Perfection. Buckner, May and Benson. 

Other than the Buckeye slight, I'd probably have the '92 Dookies and '90 Runnin' Rebels a little higher but looks like a pretty legit list to me. 

SPEAKING OF KNIGHT SPEAKING. GASP! Bobby Knight finally uttered the phrase "Kentucky" when talking tourney on Mike and Mike this morning. When I first heard of this I assumed he simply said "screw Kentucky" but alas all he did was attempt to breakdown the UK / IU tilt.

I wish I knew why this was newsworthy - there's even audio and video - and I'm ashamed to even include it but I figured I would use it as a lead in to Titus having some choice words in response to a mailbag question about whether you should root for your childhood team or your alma mater:

As a lifelong Indiana fan who holds a degree from Ohio State, I often find myself in your position. And while there are few things that have mattered to me more in my life than Indiana basketball, when the Buckeyes play the Hoosiers, I want nothing more than for Tom Crean and his repulsive haircut to suck a fat one.

SMORGAS-BORED. I hear a girl dunked in a tourney game...UNC's Kendall Marshall is in a removable splint...Tark the Shark is improving from a mild heart attack...This Cincy writer will likely annoy you...Tom Couch was good enough to get love from Maker's Mark?...An Anthony Davis influenced UK logo.

 

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buckeyedude's picture

We play with a different ball and to us the ball seemed a little smaller that the balls we play with.

Rofl. The man has a way with words. Very poignant. I guess the lesson for the Bearcats is to always play with the right-sized balls. Balls too big...bad. Balls too small? Equally bad.

 

 

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Cronin's sniveling about the size of the basketball reminded me of Lllllloyd Carr's quote after his Wolver-weenines lost to Oregon in 2003 in Eugene - Autzen Stadium.:

"When you've been around football as long as I have,
you know that in the old fields, there's a big crown,
and that field at Oregon to me looked like an eight-
to 10-inch crown, and that affects the throws to the
sidelines particularly, and I think that affected John
[Navarre]. We haven't played on a field with a crown
like that."

If scUM has to go back there again for a game, I hope the crown is still there. And why didn't Oregon name it the Lllllloyd Carr Crown?

 

buckeyedude's picture

Navarre should have won the Heisman. Damn. The dude was like 6'7" for Pete's sake!

 

 

mclovin's picture

Tom Couch, pride of Kentucky. 

Squirrel Master's picture

I had to do a double take on that one too. I thought Tom Couch was a Tom Cruise character in one of the 18 Mission Impossible movies.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

DJ Byrnes's picture

Tim Couch, Pride of Kentucky and the Cleveland Browns. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

FutureBuckeye's picture

I am probably younger than most of everyone here (only 18 years old) so I am not as aware as the hate for UC. Before now. Hearing those comments from Cronin & from Vaughn making excuses is pathetic. That UC writer is very irritating as well... Also, I looked into this rivalry & now I understand it fairly well. I will like nothing more for us to beat UC by 50 tonight.

Does anyone think Marshall will actually play this weekend, even if they do win the game on Friday? & even if he does, I don't think he will be a very big factor for obvious reasons.

Lastly, I have some suspicions on Griner; she could play in the NBA. I don't mean dominate but I think she could. Has anyone heard her talk? Her voice is so deep. I mean, if Walton & Scalabrine are still in the league, why not her?

AcrossTheField11's picture

They like to talk a lot of smack down by Kentucky.  The worst part is, I think most UC fans are also casual Buckeye fans but the second the bearcats get good at anything all of a sudden its "EFF OHIO STATE!!!".

The 2008/2009 football season could not have ended any better with tOSU beating Oregon and UC getting sodomized by Florida in back to back games. 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Bucksfan's picture

Right, because Ohio State has a lot of ground when it comes to not getting smashed by Florida in a BCS bowl game.  I really hate it when Buckeye fans point to UC's Sugar Bowl loss as meaning anything.  I think the head-to-heads with UC are plenty good enough.

AcrossTheField11's picture

UF beating us in 2006 has zero correlation with my elation at UC getting curbstomped by the gators.  I wanted them to lose.  They lost.  I don't care if it was Florida or South Dakota Baptist Tech.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

BuiltfortheNuthouse's picture

I'm 11 so I've only seen the oden game against cincy.

" I went for two cause I couldn't go for three." 
-woody Hayes 

cplunk's picture

Sorry, guys, I'm 90% football and when it comes to football I am 100% Buckeye and always have been (since I started watching football in 1980). I love this site for all my Bucks recruting news....but I grew up rooting for Cincy basketball. That's my team for bball. Ohio State is in the second pantheon wiith other schools I or my family members have attended or root for, with Arizona, American, Kent State and Ohio. So when it comes to that 10% of me that is basketball, I say "You're going down tonight!"

I think OSU's team is literally worlds of talent better than Cincy, but I think this is a very bad matchup for the Bucks. Cincy will beat OSU on the boards and the game will come down to who can make their threes. Cincy will, OSU won't. I have no particular stats or logic to back this up- just that I've watched almost every game of both teams this year. And that's what I think.

You may now begin tossing around insults and telling me I'm wrong. Thank you.

painterlad's picture

Let me be the first.

You are wrong. Cincy is a lot like Michigan in that they lack height and chuck up a lot of threes. Now if those threes start falling, OSU could be in trouble. But if the Buckeye guards can impede their shots and make it more difficult to hit their threes, Cincy will lose by 10+.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

cplunk's picture

You're right about the chucking- but actually they score a lot on offensive rebounds following missed threes. They're very good offensive rebounders. I think that's what OSU will struggle to stop.

Squirrel Master's picture

You son of a motherless goat!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

cplunk's picture

Haha- now that's a proper response!

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

I think OSU's team is literally worlds of talent better than Cincy

 

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Doc's picture

CPLUNK, you might be correct on the assessment of the game tonight, but you need to read Titus' mailbag response to get your head right on your loyalties.  I've never understood the people that root for a team for some sports, but not for others.  Pick a team/school and root for them in EVERYTHING they do. JMHO.

"Say my name."

mclovin's picture

From southern OH, have a lot of this with OSU football, UK basketball.  Pretty lame if you ask me.  Kind of tantamount to being a Yankees and Cowboys bandwagon fan.

timdogdad's picture

yeah like lebron.  cleveland wasn't cool enough for him, but at least he likes the bucks. 

cplunk's picture

Well obviously I disagree. I attended different schools for my undergrad and grad school. I can't root for both? I can't root for the teams of the schools my parents attended? I can't root for one school growing up, move to a new area and start to like another?

That's BS.

I grew up watching Cincy bball. I've never watched a Cincy football game where they weren't playing OSU. Not one. The first college football game I ever saw was OSU and I've never rooted for anybody else.

There is nothing wrong with that. 

TheHostileDwarf's picture

"I can't root for one school growing up, move to a new area and start to like another?"

To the point where you root for the new team over your old team? Under almost any circumstances: No.

Squirrel Master's picture

I spent a numbr of my formative years in florida. I immediately was a buckeye fan for football (Eddie George had a lot to do with that) but I was a fan of Kentucky basketball growing up. I like Pitino's style of play. I don't see why you can't enjoy other colleges in other sports. Since Calipari became coach at UK, I decided my total loyalty will be to the bucks because I just don't like the man. Also, I never rooted against any OSU teams but now I root FOR all of them. I just don't think it is a bad thing to enjoy other colleges in different sports.

Now the fact you are saying you prefer Cincinnati bball over OSU bball, that is a tough one! I think that is a different situation because of the rivalry.

(does this make any sense??)

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

cplunk's picture

Makes sense. It's just that I grew up in Cincinnati, which happens to be in Ohio. The first ball games I ever watched were Cincy so I stuck with them and never wavered. The first football games I watched we're OSU so I stuck with the Bucks and never wavered.

Seems consistent and okay to me because I've always been loyal to my first team and I'm rooting for teams from where I grew up- Cincinnati, OHIO.

Bucksfan's picture

I'm with ya 10-fold, CPLUNK.

AcrossTheField11's picture

If sully keeps his calm, stays out of foul trouble and goes up strong this won't be close.  How is a 6'9'' Yancy Gates and 4 guards going to box out Sully, Thomas, Ravenel, Williams, Buford (who is a good rebounder) et al. 

If the threes are dropping for UC or if we neglect going inside and become chuckers ourselves, it could be close.  Good thing for you guys the game is in Boston and not Conseco Fieldhouse.  TD Garden's rims are like way better.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

RedStorm45's picture

Conseco Fieldhouse is now Bankers Life Fieldhouse.  Wonder if they changed rims when they change names?

buckeyefanatic's picture

Cincy will beat OSU on the boards ...

What in the world makes you think the UC will do that?  That are one of, if not THE worst rebounding teams in the Sweet 16.  I'm not slamming UC, just looking at it from a statistical perspective.

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Jdadams01's picture

This. Sully, Smith, Thomas, Craft, and Buford are all above average rebounders for their position. I expect us to dominate in rebounding margin.

painterlad's picture

You know, I have never really hated Cincy. To me that is like hating Oberlin because they beat us back in 1921. I just can't hate a team for which I have no regard. I understand them hating us since we get all the press (except for when they start a fist-fight during a game), all the talent and all the wins, but I just can't hate them. Ignore, yes. Hate, no.

That being said, I hope the Bucks beat the dirty river water from their deluded heads and send them packing.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

Doc's picture

Duagherty from the Enquirer hit the nail on the head.  I grew up in Cincy.  He is right Cincy is "Southern".  I have been told on multiple occasions that I have a southern accent.  Not deep south accent but southern.  It has deminished over the years, but still present at times.  Cincy is also "Southern" in the fact they act like a bunch of inbred 'tards.  The arrogance for that city is off the charts.  So, yeah he is correct in his assessment.  I hope we win tonight by the "Mercy Rule".  This game tonight is the rest of the state vs. an arrogant troll of a city.  GO BUCKS!!!!!

"Say my name."

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Two paragraphs from the Cincinnati.com story are particularly telling:

Ask my colleague Howard Wilkinson, who has covered politics for about 1,000 years, and grew up in Dayton. “People here have come to recognize themselves more as Cincinnatians than Ohioans,’’ he said. “That’s not necessarily the case in Lima.’’

Phillips said, “The feeling among longtime Cincinnatians is that the rest of the state is latecomers.’’ UC archivist Kevin Grace even suggests our provincialism owes to a big Appalachian influence. Mountain folks are clannish and suspicious of outsiders.

First, the above paragraphs suggest that Cincinnatians have an extremely inflated sense of their city's importance, partly owing to Cincinnati's bygone status as a one-time top 10 American city (in the 19th cenury). Residents of major international cities often see their cities as islands onto themselves, elevated well above whatever provincial backwater in which they are located. But freakin' Cincinnati sees it that way? LMAO. Let's see, Houstonians very much identify as Texans; Los Angelenos see themselves as Californians; residents of Phoenix strongly identify with Arizona; etc. But the Hog Capital of the World is too good for Ohio?

Second, when Cincinnatians do lower themselves to identify with their region and/or geographical surroundings, which part do they identify with according to the above article? Kentucky mountain culture and heritage, of course! Yet, we're the "latecomers"? No offense, but I don't believe that the "big Appalachian influence" is what once had made Cincinnati a city that other cities needed to catch up to; moreover, there are some things that we ought to come late to, if we ever come to them at all . . .

Have they not read any Alexis de Tocqueville?    

Doc's picture

I totally agree here Fido.  It took me leaving Porkopolis to realize this.  My family still views the world this way.  I have friends that live in Chicago and they don't look at the world so myopically.  I don't understand it either.  Mark Twain once wrote about Cincinnati thusly.  "When the end of the world comes I want to be in Cincinnati, because they are 10 years behind the times."

They view themselves as Northern Kentuckians before Ohioians, and far superior to everyone.  And they still hold a grudge against Matta, hence the "turncoat" jab.  The incestual nature of the region is sickening.  XU and UC hate each other, but will band together to root against the rest of the state.  I'm glad I moved "North".

"Say my name."

Nappy's picture

An old roommate from college told me he was from Kentucky.  He was from Cincinnati.

Fan of bacon since 1981

Doc's picture

My wife's Aunt ask me once what part of KY Cincy was in.  She is from East Lansing.  So the perception goes both ways, I guess.

"Say my name."

Nappy's picture

It probably doesn't help that the Cincy airport is in KY.

Fan of bacon since 1981

Bucksfan's picture

That airport is over there because the land was cheap.  I'm surprised Cleveland didn't try to build their airport on the lake.  Or maybe they did and it caught fire and sank.

William's picture

Your witticisms are so brilliant Bucksfan./sarcasm Although might I suggest you changing your moniker on this site to: Intermittent Bucksfan, or maybe BUCksfan? We get it that you're a proud Cinncinatian, but seriously get off everyone else's jock about UC and the city of Cinncinati. They are an inferior team,and at this time they are an inferior program. You sound like a Notre Dame fan citing off about their overall win %, and their number of national titles. They haven't made the Final Four since 1992. Before this year they hadn't made the Sweet 16 since 2001, and they haven't made the Elite 8 since 1996. They are now inferior. 

ArTbkward's picture

Come on, opinions are like assholes- everyone has one. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you should insult someone, (s)he's allowed to like Cincy.  Check the commenting policy.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

William's picture

I didn't attack Bucksfan, so no problem there. I do however have a problem with his incorrect claim that UC is just as prominent of a program, because the truth is they no longer are. 

Bucksfan's picture

Right, calling me an "Intermittent Bucksfan, or maybe BUCksfan" wasn't attacking me at all. /sarcasm (to use your favorite meme).

Buckeye Chuck's picture

You're right on the money. Cincinnatians really don't think of themselves as connected to the rest of the state, and I believe the major reason is the extent of its history--it was already a very important city back when Columbus and even Cleveland were still villages. The fact that it's been bypassed so thoroughly by Columbus has to grate. Clevelanders have some of the same attitude--the comments to that Cleveland Scene column about miserable OSU fans were illustrative--but Clevelanders don't think of themselves as beyond Ohio; they're more likely to think of themselves as embodying Ohio.

Basically, when you have the psychic choice of regarding yourself as the third-largest city in Ohio--a place that is now smaller than Aurora, Colorado--or as the leading city in "the tri-state area," which makes you sound more important?

And yeah, I have noticed that there is an exception to Cincinnati's disregard of college sports outside the Queen City, and that is its love affair with Kentucky basketball. If Calipari were to leave Lexington tomorrow, and for all I know this could happen, it would be a bigger story in Cincinnati than Tressel leaving OSU was. And if the Buckeyes and Big Blue meet in the NCAA championship, I know where Cincinnati's loyalties will be, and not just the part of "Cincinnati" that's already on the other side of the river.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

timdogdad's picture

cincy-tucky says it all.  

btalbert25's picture

What's funny is, when I talk to just regular people, not guys on the radio like Lance McAllister, I don't ever here Cincinnati folks dog Ohio State that much, and I NEVER here any animosity towards other cities in Ohio.  I spend a lot of time in Cincinnati, my wife works there and co-workers love Ohio State.  Sure some like Cincinnati, but a lot of people in Cincinnati went to UC so I can understand the pride there.

I just never hear people in Cincinnati say Columbus sucks.  They hate Cleveland but I think that's more of a Browns/Bengals thing than anything else.  I just don't hear people in Cincinnati rag on the rest of the state, like the rest of the state carries on about Cincinnati.

I hear Cincinnati folks rag on UK and UK fans a lot, but never here UC fans talk much shit about Ohio State.  I know the people of Cincinnati love their city, and take pride in what it has to offer, but is that so much different than any other city.  I know in Kentucky people love Lexington but hate Louisville.  I've heard people say Louisville is NOT Kentucky.  When Louisville is easily the best city in the state and one of the best within a 4 or 5 hour drive of my house if you cut out maybe Nashville.  That's just the nature of people and where they are from.  I've seen it many times in states I've been too. 

ArTbkward's picture

I would agree 100% with this.  I lived in Cincinnati my first two years out of college and never heard any Columbus animosity, if any, it was always Cleveland because of the Browns/Bengals.  I never heard anything about Cincy being separate from the rest of the state in any way.  The town has a different feel than Columbus, or Cleveland for that matter, but its unique identity is that of a old steamboat boomtown.  I never got "southern" vibe from Cincy at all, Louisville and Lexington aren't very far but they certainly do have that feel and accent to match.

Most people I knew who weren't Buckeyes fans were at least passive Buckeye fans.  They're usually the type who are alumni of UC or X but like to see OSU do well assuming they aren't playing "their" team.  That's how I feel about those schools, so it makes sense to me.  I also passively cheer for all Ohio teams unless they're playing the Buckeyes (or Reds or Browns).

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

btalbert25's picture

I also think the Ciny-tucky thing is way off base.  I live on the Kentucky side of the river and grew up with 2 grandfathers who basically refused to cross Brent Spence Bridge.  My wifes friend married a guy from Anderson Township and he faught tooth and nail to live in Ohio, he HATED the idea of living in NKY.  I played baseball with a group of guys who were from Western Hills and we had a few guys from the east side on the team.  They'd argue non stop about which side was better, I said they both Suck, Southside is where it is.  I've never seen a west sider and eastsider unite so quickly to start ragging on Kentucky.  My best friend's wife works down town, he constantly bitches about having to drive downtown to pick her up from work.  Ever since we were in highschool he would resist going anywhere across the bridge.

So I'd say for the most part, people in NKY, don't care for Cincinnati as a whole, and residents of the Queen City to have much use for Kentucky either. 

ArTbkward's picture

Cincy-tucky is way off base (although Hamil-tucky, less so).  When I lived there I noticed people in NKY were more proud than the people on the Ohio side, but I'm only basing that on handful of cases.  As a fresh college graduate anytime someone came to visit, I took them to Newport by way of Jungle Jim's because I thought it was nice. My only beef with the KY side is that they still allow smoking in public places, but as a major tobacco-growing state I suppose they should.  I worked in Evendale, so I always lived to the north and east but I would have had no problem living on the other side of the river but I'm not a native to the area either.

I would not want to live and work on opposite sides of the river though, regardless of pride crossing the bridge twice a day would suck.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

btalbert25's picture

We live about 10 miles south of the Brent Spence and my wife has to cross twice a day.  I'm lucky and don't have to commute, my job allows me to set up my office from the basement.  I'm from NKY but have always loved going downtown.  My parents used to both work downtown and it was always a big day when mom or dad would take us to fountain square or to the top of Carew tower.  I still enjoy going downtown although I don't do it very often anymore.  I wouldn't have any problem living on either side of the river, there's not much of a difference really unless you comparing Erlanger to OTR or the West End or sadly even Price Hill these days.  However Mason and Florence, meh, pretty similar in my opinion. 

I have heard the old Hamiltucky comments before and in my experience Hamilton and Covington are a lot alike so I can see that as relevant.

Nappy's picture

Why does it seem like everything downtown closes at 4pm?  Stayed at the Millennium Hotel last July to go to a couple Reds games and it took forever walking around to find a place to eat.  It was like walking through a ghost town.

Fan of bacon since 1981

btalbert25's picture

Pretty much once everyone gets off work they go home.  Most places to eat that will be open will be over by the aronoff center or near Fountain Square.  Plus places in the bigger hotels like the former Omni now Hilton. It's always been pretty dead downtown after about 5 oclock though, except near the stadiums when a game is going on, now that the Banks development is open I imagine that's where most activity will be in the evenings/night.

Nappy's picture

Good to know.  I think we eventually went across the river to Mainstrasse? in Covington, I think.  Ate at a place called Cock n Bulls.  It was kinda weird celebrating the 4th at an English pub, but fuck it, I was hungry.

Fan of bacon since 1981

btalbert25's picture

Yeah, I used to go to cock and bull and mainstrasse in general when I was younger.  Those bars are pretty fun at night time.  If you are in that area again, cross Main Street and walk a block or two away from the river.  There is a place called Zola.  They have great burgers.  I get the California, burger patty, roasted red pepper, monterrey jack cheese and I get it with carmelized onion, it's delicious!  They have other good stuff too.  Great wings and other bar food, really good sandwiches. 

blazers34's picture

I'm with you BAlbert.  Most of the Cincinnati talk that goes on is complete bullshit, or describes a lunatic fringe. 

 

Most around here go WAY out of there way to disassociate from Kentucky

Bucksfan's picture

Most of the Cincinnati talk that goes on is complete bullshit, or describes a lunatic fringe. 

Lunatic Fringe?

Doc's picture

W   E   B   N!

"Say my name."

Doc's picture

Well played.

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

Daugherty is an idiot and a D-bag.  The guy's writing is terrible.  There used to be a great sports writer here named Sullivan.  That guy was good.  Daugherty is minor league with a major league attitude.  My buddy worked PR for major sports team locally and I guess in the press box one day he went off about how he was the best sports writer in the country. 

blazers34's picture

hell yeah, Sullivan was awesome.  Think he left here for San Diego.  Cant say I blame him, not a bad move.

Bucksfan's picture

Doc, I never heard that I have a southern accent literally until yesterday when someone asked me if I was from Texas.  I couldn't believe it, actually, and probably would have been far more vocal in offense if he wasn't a superior (disclaimer, the guy grew up in Detroit, so whatever).  But I guess we do have somewhat of a twang, particularly if you're from the West Side.

Oh well.  I still don't identify with the south in any way, shape, form, creed, intelligence, politics, sports or any other category.  We're a river town, not unlike St. Louis...probably why we hate those stinkin' Cards.

Doc's picture

I did grew up on the Westside of 'Nati.  Pretty close to the intersection of Harrison Ave. and Werk Rd..  I went to Roger Bacon (c/o '88) and then off to NKU (c/o '92) before being liberated to Cbus.

I never knew I had an accent until I started dating my wife.  Her and her family are from NWOhio and jabbed me for my southern drawl.

I don't see Cincy as a "South will rise again" type place, but it is uniquely independent from the rest of the state.  There is more coverage of the KY schools than OSU in the local media.

 

I think some Cincinnatians view NKY as getting "rich" off of the citied skyline.  With all of the new construction and entertainment venues in Newport and Covington they see KY ripping off the best part of Cincy.  The view of downtown and the river.  My thoughts are the powers that be in Cincy screwed the pooch on that one.  You can't blame KY for using a natural backdrop to their advantage.  I'll cross the river anytime I can if it means I can eat/drink at the Hofbrau Haus.

"Say my name."

cplunk's picture

Ah, the hofbrau house.

I graduated from Anderson (east siiiiiidddddeeeee) in 1989.

I live in Washington DC now and periodically get told I have an accent. People also want to know why I say "please?" when I need someone to repeat something they've said.

Doc's picture

I've broken myself of the "please" habit....I think.  Most of the time now I just say What? ;)

"Say my name."

blazers34's picture

small world.  i went to glen este and now work in Anderson.

Bucksfan's picture

Doc, states that border each other hate each other.  That's just a fact of life.  But you couldn't have said it better - the powers that be have done everything ass-backwards in terms of developing the downtown area.  It is getting better, though...just slowly.  I was down on The Banks a couple of weeks ago (we may have discussed this already), and it's fantastic.  It was during the conference tournaments, and you saw people in UK, Louisville, UC, Ohio State and Xavier shirts throughout the entire Moerline Lager House.  It was strange, because where I'm living now you basically only see one, maybe two colleges represented.  I forgot how diverse the allegiances are in Cincinnati.

Hofbrauhaus = Liters of fun.

Doc's picture

The Lager House is open now?  I have got to check that place out!  My Aunt brings me a Moerlien sampler 12 pack every time she comes up to visit.  My favorite is Northern Liberties what an awesome beer.  Any of you guys remember Oldenburg Brewery?  It was over in KY, but the beer was stellar.  I can not fathom how it didn't catch on and grow.  Much like Hoster's in Cbus.

 

The Hofbrau Haus is some of the best times you can have.  IF you like German food and beer that is.

"Say my name."

ArTbkward's picture

Liking German food and beer is practically a requirement for living in the Queen City as is liking Skyline and goetta.  I think Cincinnati parents put Skyline in the bottles of their children.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Doc's picture

Goetta is def a Cincy/German thing.  After Sunday Mass a few years back, we had gone to St. Teresa's in Price Hill, we went to Price Hill Chili.  It was before noon and they were still serving breakfast.  I ordered the goetta sandwich.  The waitress asked me what side I wanted.  Goetta.  She looked at me all wierd.  I said yes, I want a goetta sandwich with a side of goetta.  My Mom laughed her ass off.  My wife just shook her head.  I need to make it down for Goetta Fest sometime. 

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

Doc, did you over go to the Anchor Grill in Covington?  It's strait across from Glier's Goetta.  They make a Goetta and Cheese Omelet that is to die for, no literally!  I'm sure it's disgusting for you but man oh man is it good.  The other fun thing about the Anchor is you never know what kind of lunatic will come in off the street there in Covington, and they have the Barbie Doll band that starts jamming one someone plays the juke box.

Doc's picture

Never been to the Anchor, yet.  But now will have to go.  Read my post a little further up to see how I feel about goetta. ;)

"Say my name."

Bucksfan's picture

Goetta sandwitch with a side of goetta...lmao!  F'ing classic.  I actually make it myself, using my grandma's recipe.  Let me know if you want it.  P.S. I love the Wikipedia page about Goetta.  It says that Gliers makes 1,000,000 pounds annually, 99% of which is consumed in the greater Cincy area.

Yeah, Moerline Lagar house is open and it's awesome.  It has a spectacular view of the river and the Blue Bridge.  I tried the OTR Pale Ale, a little more bitter for my taste, but I tried their boch, I think, and it was super tasty.  Plus, you can buy a Little Kings T-shirt in the gift shop!  It's great.

Doc's picture

My German Grandfather, Opa, made his own too.  It was the best.  He would make it in a meatloaf or bread pan.  Gliers is good, but not Opa good.  My Mom has his recipe, and I actually think I got it from her as a wedding gift.  My wife, not from Cincy, can not stand the stuff.  Needless to say I only get it when I'm in the 'Nati.

Morlien's OTR is good too.  My favorite is the Northern Liberties.  Little Kings.  That stuff has a special place in me heart too.  Morlien bought Little Kings and Hudepohl if I'm not mistaken.

"Say my name."

Bucksfan's picture

Yeah, you could buy Hudy shirts, too.  Pretty rad.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I've never had goetta, but I love me some scrapple with over easy eggs.

btalbert25's picture

Oldenburg was awesome and when it closed I wasn't even old enough to drink the beer. My dad used to buy their beer a lot.   I never had the beer but we took a field trip there in scouts or school one of the two.  We toured the brewery and saw the grand hall, it was really neat. The had a beer museum too.    Now the bar/restaurant portion is Montgomery Inn. 

Doc's picture

Oldengurg was awesome.  We would go there every once in a great while in college.  The beer was awesome, but exspensive for the poor college student.

"Say my name."

Buckeyeneer's picture

I had no idea that Moerline was in Cincy. I tried it for the first time last summer when I saw it at the area Kroger. I have tried several other styles of their beers and they all seem good. Looks like I have a road trip to make. I also agree on the Hofbrauhaus, I try to stop there everytime I pass through the city.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

Doc's picture

All this beer and food talk is making me thirsty and hungry.  Mostly thirsty :P

"Say my name."

Jdadams01's picture

This. I am also from Cincy and the entitled arrogance is astounding. They are also some of the biggest front runners/band wagon people I've ever seen. They truly believe that they are better than all three of their surrounding states (Ohio, KY, and Indiana). They prefer Southern attachments and attitude, but consider themselves above Kentucky. They love Northern city feel, but reject all cities north of them. And they try to present themselves as friendly, kind people like most Midwesterners, yet mock the rest of Ohio and all of Indiana.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

 It has deminished over the years, but still present at times.

"at times" = anytime sippin' on some Tim Couch Maker's Mark

Baroclinicity's picture

Wonder if Sully will get Gates into foul trouble, or Gates will get Sully into foul trouble.  Is Ravenel a better matchup for Gates?

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I rewatched the Zaga game yesterday and noticed something I hadn't noticed before (although I'm probably the only one and dozens of other commenters have already pointed this out). It wasn't that Thad decided to insert A. Williams into the 1H with 4 minutes remaining. Ravenel was winded and asked to come out, but Sully was on the bench with 2 fouls. That raises a couple of points:

1. Ravenel needs to get in better shape next year.

2. By accident, we saw that Williams has quietly become a physical beast. Maybe he's been working out all year instead of working on his post moves. He dosen't have much of an offensive game yet, but he can defend, box out, and bang at a high level.

As you suggest, the Buckeyes might need all three rotating against Gates, who tends to draw a lot of contact and gets to the FT line. Instead of waiting for Sully to get two FH fouls, Matta might need to substitute the three bigs more liberally, maybe even have two of them on the court at the same time, with the non-Sully guarding Gates. Sully would have problems guarding one of Ciny's four guards, but in turn Cincy'd have a hard time keeping the Buckeyes off the offensive boards, and anyway the two bigs would be on the floor only for a few minutes.    

Have the Buckeyes practiced zone defense at all this year?  

mclovin's picture

I agree we should go big.  But please not with Ravenel.  He needs to do so much more than just get in shape for next year.  I wish we could trade the minutes wasted on him in for minutes used to develop Amir.  He has really shown a lot of growth this year and he provides something we do not have -- a shot blocker.  I imagine he'd be even further along if he had gotten to play more worthwhile minutes. 

A zone would play right into the hands of Cincy.

FortMeyer's picture

Just hope Thee OSU players don't get punched in the face while trying to play basketball tonight.

BuckeyeSki's picture

All the hate I needed, in whatever size you choose

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German Buckeye's picture

Isn't Cincinnati famous for Nippert Stadium - where they hold a LOT of marching band contests?

Nappy's picture

I generally root for all Ohio schools except Xavier.  But I bleed scarlet. We just match up well with Cincy.  I see Thomas and Buford laying waste to UC's defense.  This game isn't close.

Fan of bacon since 1981

RBuck's picture

"I don't want to beat a dead horse but..."

"I don't want to beat a dead horse but..."

Dead horse is butthurt.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Cincinnati is the worst offensive team Ohio State has faced in a month, with the exception of Loyola MD - and, in that game, the Buckeyes basically f'd aorund for 40 minutes, slopped away 19 TOs, and still held Loyola 59 pts.

If the Buckeyes come out and play high intensity defense, take care of the ball, and relentlessly crash the boards, Cincinnati is the team that will struggle mightily to score points. Unfortunately, the Buckeyes' intensity level has been up and down this year. 

If the Buckeyes play high-intensity, focused bball: Ohio State 62, Cincy 52.

If the Buckeyes come out flat, lazy, unfocused: I don't want to say . . . 

 

btalbert25's picture

The sweet 16 list, I actually think the 96 Kentucky squad should be higher.  That team was insanely talented, the 2 games they lost, were out of Pitino experimenting.  They lost early in the year against UMass when he tried to make Delk a PG for the game, and they lost the SEC championship game where he benched Walker, Delk, and McCarty for much of the 2nd half.  That team was loaded.  So loaded Pitino told Roderick Rhodes he'd be better off transfering somewhere else because he wasn't going to play in 96.  Rhodes went to USC and became a first round draft pick.  The team was so talented it had a JV team, which had players go to the NBA off of it.  A future star player and NBA talent, Scott Padgett was booted off the team that year for grades.  He later got his act together and came back and became a key player at Kentucky.  That team, in my lifetime was the most amazing team to watch.  I'd put them ahead of the early 90s UNLV and Duke teams, I really would.  I can't imagine any team that would match up with that group.

btalbert25's picture

Makers Mark does a lot of really cool bottles for the Keeneland meet.  They have made a bottle for each of the last 3 triple crown winners, they did one for Rupp's Runts, the unforgetables, and the 75th anniversary of Keeneland.  These bottles are really hard to get.  2 years ago I got up at 6am and waited in line to pick up a Calipari bottle for a friend of mine.  People were offering me 150-200 bucks on the spot for the bottle.  So, seeing the legendary names and teams that have a history of being on the bottle, I quite literally LOL'd at the email I received from Makers Mark yesterday saying this year's bottle would honor Tim Couch.  What a joke.

Sideline's picture

UCLA beat Memphi State in the 1973 Championship game, not Houston.  Elvin Hayes played for University of Houston in the 1967 and 1968 games against UCLA.  

Squirrel Master's picture

Now if you wanted to link a slide show of Brittany Daniels wrapped in Bacon!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Nappy's picture

^this

Fan of bacon since 1981

Arkansas Buckeye's picture

Cincinnati Southern?

They have decent schools and no NASCAR track.

Be careful what you wish for.

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

Bucks43201's picture

Aaron Craft should worry about getting a coldcock-intentioned cheap shot from Yancy Gates tonight, then, if he's on the ground...watch out for the classic Cincy kick-to-the-head...just ask Kenny Frease.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Squirrel Master's picture

As much as I want OSU to win it all and want them to win tonight, I must admit that it would be a very interesting thing if Xavier met Cincinnati in the championship after what happened early this year. It would be like a boxing promotion and they should have Micheal Buffer do the announcing. It would also be funny to have a Drunken Larry Merchant interview Gates.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

RedStorm45's picture

I'm actually looking forward to this game and build up being over so I don't have to hear any more jokes/comments about taking a Yancy Gates fist to the fact.  The first 1,453 times were enough.

UC actually shoots worse from the line than us.  They can really struggle to score at times.  We've both won 6 of our last 7 (both teams having a loss in the conference title game).  They did just beat a Fab Melo-led Syracuse team not too long ago.  Should be a good one.

Squirrel Master's picture

ah but as Gonzaga found out last weekend, there is nothing remotely close to the buckeyes defense. Craft is the best on ball defender in college this year. He will hound their guards tonight like no other. If cincinnati has any chance of winning this game, it will not be because of Craft. I hope Craft plays even close to what he did against Gonzaga. UC will have no chance then.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

That Cinci-FSU game was one of the sloppiest messes I've seen in ages. Predictions: OSU wins by 13. Lenzelle has 14 points, Sam Thompson jumps out of gym for an alley, and Aaron Craft steals Mick Cronin's will to ever play us again.

Buckeyeneer's picture

Hey Cincy! Thanks for the chili! Otherwise, suck it!

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

AcrossTheField11's picture

Ha nice...  Actually I dont even really like their chili so from my perspective they can just suck it. 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Bucks43201's picture

OSU by 15-20

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

DefendOhio's picture

OSU wins big. Cincy has no length and is guard heavy. That is a great matchup for us. P.S. This is another reason why Cleveland is better than Cincy. Cleveland is pretty die hard when it comes to OSU, Cincy not at all. 

btalbert25's picture

I was thinking Ohio State would win easy but not big.  That's kind of been my response when I think how the game goes.  I can see them leading by 5-10 points the whole way but never really be threatened.

schooey's picture

In SE OH, which is culturally a mix of KY and WV, i.e. lacking any, most folks I knew sided with Cinci over Cleveland. I grew up a Steelers fan, and Bengals second. We viewed Cinci as more German and Cleveland as Italian/Irish/Eastern European etc., a tiny little NYC, and it was not meant as a complement. We thought Cleveland thought of themselves that way too, as more of an Eastern city than a mid-Western one. Now that I am all growed up I don't give a damn either way. I would like to visit Cinci, it has been ages. I root for the Buckeyes but if Cinci wins tonight I will be rooting for them in the eight. 

The "southern hospitality" in Cinci is more genuine than in the deep South, where they pretend to care if you are comfortable right before they run the knife through. 

Sgt. Elias's picture

I was in Cinci and and N KY last weekend (disclosure: I'm a long time Columbusite and tOSU grad, having lived in Worthington, Clintonville, German Village and the Short North).  My brother just moved to Cinci after he graduated college to live with his GF so we visited.  Got Haufbrau'd on Sunday. I forgot to get Goetta I just realized. I just had it last year for the first time. It's good stuff.

 Watched the tOSU game at some place called Dutch's Bar and Bottle because the Irish joint down the street was getting too insane (St. Pat's day). There were a few Buckeye fans cheering with me. I ate at Thai Bistro after the game, soundly drunk, and proceeded to order my noodles at an 11 on the 1-10 heat o' meter.  The waiter thought i was nuts, but I just like hot food. I didn't really pick up on any Cinci vibe one way or the other but I was only there 48 hrs. I do love the architecture and the rolling hills down there. The weather was nice and I was full of good food and spirits. Good times had by all. 

Oh, and I saw this thing

#kewlstarrybruh

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here."