Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on January 31, 2012 at 6:00a
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Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

This could be the best any Ohio State fan has felt in a long time. Considering that just around this time last year, any news coming out about OSU was negative. But that's all changed, as the future seems brighter than ever for this embattled program.

It truly amazes me that Urban Meyer is pulling in the types of recruits he's getting despite the fact the Buckeyes are coming off a 6-7 season, OSU is not bowl-eligible next season, and the program is less than a year removed from its last NCAA violation.

It just goes to show all the haters of this great institution that you may be able to beat us down for a little bit, but it will never take long for Ohio State to get back up on its feet. 

And with the way things are going, it's going to be a long time before this team stumbles again.

STAFF ONLY. At Urban Meyer's introductory press conference, he announced his goal to put together the best coaching staff in all of college football. That's a pretty bold claim, but after seeing this guy recruit, nothing seems too bold for him.

Adam Rittenberg and Brian Bennett of ESPN both evaluated Meyer's staff and seem to agree that Meyer did not live up to his claim. While both agreed it was a pretty impressive group of coaches, both were surprised that bigger names weren't added to the staff and that Meyer retained four OSU coaches from last season.

Rittenberg and Bennett both also seem to think that the coaching pressure will be on offensive coordinator and quarterback coach Tom Herman. Herman was a bit of a surprise for many when he was hired, but he is considered to be a "rising star" in college football who is being given his first major opportunity as a Buckeye.

Granted, this staff doesn't have the biggest names and has a lot of coaches from a mediocre 6-7 team, but these guys are going to get results from their players. This team doesn't need big names or a coaching staff that is considered the best in the NCAA. What this team needs is experienced professionals who want to win, and this staff has plenty of that.

It's pointless to wonder if this college staff is the best in college football when they haven't even coached a game together. Let's see how their players respond to them after a down year, and if these talented recruits can make the impact they're supposed to.

B1G RECRUITING BATTLES. With the commitment of Armani Reeves to Urban Meyer university, ESPN ranks the Buckeyes ahead of the Michigan Wolverines' recruiting class.

The Buckeyes have moved up to number six in the top 25 classes. Michigan is listed at number eight. OSU and UM are the only Big Ten schools listed in the top 25.

The fact that Brady Hoke and Urban Meyer are both putting together great recruiting classes can only have a positive impact on The Game for years to come. Despite the bitterness of Ohio State's loss to the Wolverines last season, it was the first exciting game I've seen in this rivalry for a long time.

Meyer versus Hoke could be the next great chapter in Buckeye-Wolverine football. Who would've said that last year?

He recruits as well as he putts.

WELCOME SHERIDAN. Speculated for a while now but finally official, Urban Meyer welcomed Bill Sheridan as the final member of his coaching staff yesterday. Sheridan last coached linebackers for the Miami Dolphins.

Sheridan, who has 31 years of coaching experience in college and in the NFL, is expected to be the defensive backs coach. It's a great move for the the secondary which struggled all last season.

Additionally, OSU only has three cornerbacks on scholarship currently, leaving the Buckeyes with a young, inexperienced secondary. It's a group which may have to use newly signed recruit Armani Reeves right from the start of the season.

Sheridan's experience should help to get this secondary, which was one of the worst in recent memory, back on track.

“I have a refreshed perspective coming back from the NFL and getting into college coaching again,” Sheridan said in the statement. “I am really interested to study the offenses people are running in the Big Ten. The running quarterbacks are distinctly different than what you see in the NFL. It is stimulating if you enjoy the schematic part of the game, and I do.”

HOKE WINS AWARD, THEN EATS IT. Michigan Coach Brady Hoke won the Maxwell Football Club Collegiate Coach of the Year for 2011.

Hoke becomes the third coach in Michigan history to win the award after Lloyd Carr won it in 1996 and Bo Schembechler received the award in 1989. The "Michigan Man" did help change the culture of a Michigan team that had been irrelevant for the past few years.

In my opinion, Hoke got a little bit of help from some of the Rich Rodriguez era recruits, but nonetheless I applaud Hoke for getting recognition because I can finally actually despise a Michigan coach instead of feeling sorry for him. No offense, Rich Rod.

BUCKEYE'S BALLIN'. After a little revenge last Saturday against those pesky Wolverines, the Buckeyes climbed to #3 in the coaches poll this week. The top five rounds out with #1 Kentucky, #2 Syracuse, #4 Missouri, and #5 Duke.

The Buckeyes have won five straight games and will take a break until Saturday when they play the always difficult Wisconsin Badgers at the Kohl Center in Madison.

LOS LINKS. Hoke versus Dantonio on the front lines of Michigan... Hawkeye recruit beats cancer... The Mount Rushmore of coaches... Urban Meyer on Urban Meyer... Kyle Flood is in at Rutgers.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I think I'm glad that the coaching staff isn't overloaded with big names.  One, too many cooks spoil the soup, and two, big names would get poached quickly, and we would start to live in a revolving door coaching world (see: New England Patriots).

 

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, UFM said that he would bring in a top notch staff, not necessarily the biggest names. Whether that proves to be the case will be decided on the football field. For Rittenburg to suggest that UFM failed to deliver on this promise is premature: How is Rittenburg even romotely qualified to analyze how well constructed is a coaching staff?

Dean's picture

Rittenberg didn't actually say that Meyer failed to deliver.  Bennett did, but Rittenberg took a more "We'll see how they do" tack, noting, fairly, that it's not a star-studded staff, but that it is "very solid."

TheHostileDwarf's picture

Bennett is a jackass, not because of this necessarily, but because his articles routinely lack any actual depth or thought. If ESPN's crappy overall coverage wasn't reason enough to stop visiting that website in general, his addition was enough to ignore the Big Ten blog page.

Denster's picture

Completely agree. It's getting (or has gotten) progressively worse. It seems now most shit they put out is either a.) mail from really dumb people OR b.) some stupid list ranking some pointless crap. The kicker for me was when Rittenberg posted the day after (or some time shortly thereafter) about Paterno's "legacy" basically right when the bomb was dropped. I mean, who gives a shit about his legacy when you're dealing w/ rape of young kids. Give me a break dude.

I used to include them on my daily routine of college football browsing. Definitely do not anymore.

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

Ethos's picture

eh I still go there.  Mostly for the lunch links and to argue with wolverine fans :)

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

thatlillefty's picture

That blog used to offer some great banter. But its dead these days.

Ethos's picture

eh I still have fun with it, except today since the comment section appears to not work for me for some reason

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

thatlillefty's picture

i noticed that yesterday... i figured it was a company firewall

Denster's picture

hahahahaha... just went there to see what they had just for kicks.

First story on the B1G blog. Classic.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/44700/top-10-individual-b1g-performances-of-11

Seriously, it's all lists and BS.

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

Ethos's picture

lol yeah I laughed at that when I read the original comment and went there

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

The Pats have done well with that revolving door.

Baroclinicity's picture

I agree, but I'm not necessarily convinced it's the way to go and that it would work for us.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

BuckPirate1981's picture

Just when I was starting to have some hope that Rittenberg hadn't completely drank the ESPN kool aid, he writes this dribble.  I'm not sure what he was hoping for when he says he was hoping for "star power" - realistically, if someone is already an OC or an "assistant coach," money will only do so much to draw someone from what is already a good situation for them.  Not many people will go with a lateral move that may be temporary at best (given their odds for upwards mobility into the HC ranks). Of course this refers to the LSU OC, who judging by their title game performance, I don't think would have been that much better than our current hire.  It seems like both quibble over the fact that we kept a good number of the defensive coaches from what is one of the best defensive units year in and year out in the country.  Okaaaaay... and then they harp on Herman not being a big name.  I mean really, to ask if Herman and Meyer can "revitalize" the OSU offense?  My cat picking plays by tapping on various pieces of paper randomly strewn on the floor with names of plays underneath could revitalize this offense.  "This isn't Iowa State" - really Rittenberg?  And you would have the expertise to judge Herman's ability to make the move based on what qualifications?  While I agree this may not literally be the "best staff in college football," it likely is among the best, something I hope to see as they gel into a unit in the months to come.  Lets make sure to keep this article up on a bulletin board for Urbz to reflect on after he's done with the season (and likely wrapping up his second top 5 recruiting class in Columbus).  

frozen buckeye's picture

Agree!  And it is most likely a good think that the espn douches are already criticizing/questioning the new coaching staff. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

On the golf course, Hoke needs a second caddy following behind him repairing the "divots" he makes in the fairway/rough as he clomps down the course. Good thing most courses banned metal spikes.

Squirrel Master's picture

Good morning! Wanted to add a link because this is just nasty if you have not seen it!

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7522167

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FUqUespin's picture

FUq anything not correctly reported from E!Spin!

Wait - Correction.  FUq anything from E!Spin!

Squirrel Master's picture

uh, its a dunk by Blake Griffin. Not a report.

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Denny's picture

A pretty filthy one, at that.

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Poison nuts's picture

Theory & conjecture is great. It keeps a lot of people employed. Most of us come to this site so we can spout off about our opinions on various Buckeye related topics. Until the team hits the field - ideas and opinions mean little. The fact that professional bloggers aren't overly impressed with our staff means diddley squat. I'll be counting the days leading up to next season. Whether or not this is a great staff can only be determined on the field. Regardless of how anyone feels about the staff - I can't stop smiling for over 2 months now!

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Squirrel Master's picture

IMO, based on coaching and coaching alone, I think the Mt. Rushmore should be Paterno, Hayes, Bowden and Bryant. It is hard to bring up all the extra stuff because we don't know what was done 40-50 years ago. All the scandals and punches should not matter because I am sure each of the coaches on that list had something in their closet. All except Meyer.

Notice how Tressel was left off that list? not a real candidate but if he is going to bring up Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson why not Tressel. Guy deserves some credit!

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BuckPirate1981's picture

I hate the guy as much as anyone, but at what point do Saban at Bama or Brown at Texas become part of that conversation?  Or even Spurrier?  I honestly think our very own Urbz, scarlett & gray colored glasses aside, could surpass Paterno at the end of the day.  Paterno, with all due respect (see what I did there?) was a Cal Ripken Jr., if you will.  Great longetivity, and again the scandal aside and looking at him purely as a FB coach, he did some good things, but I believe over that time span he "only" won 2 national titles, where Saban for example has three now (at two different institutions, no less?).  Just a thought.  I don't count Peterson until he plays against real competition on a more consitent basis, and as much as I absolutely love Coach Tressel, one National Championship, record against the Big Ten and M!ch!g@n aside, I don't think puts him into the "all time greats" conversation either (although, of course, he's #1 in our hearts). 

Squirrel Master's picture

well that is my point is I don't think Tressel belongs in the discussion but he belongs just as much so as Peterson and Patterson. Just leave it out because you can bring in way too many coaches for that level. Lou Holtz had a better overall career than Peterson and Patterson. I mean seriously, WTH!

Saban is right there and so is Meyer. I just want to see what they do from here on out. If we end up with a couple of Bama vs. OSU champ games over the next 10 years, each winning a couple, then I say they both can jump over the likes of Paterno and Bowden.

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BuckPirate1981's picture

Okay, see what you're saying now a bit better with regards to Tress, P&P.  Totally agree on that point.  However I would still argue Saban and Meyer right now over Paterno, and on second thought, Bowden as well.  Both Saban and Meyer already tie/exceed Bowden's two national championships.  And while Bowden had an amazing run in the ACC, having won 12 conference championships and having had some ridiculous winning streak upon entering the conference, a lot of this was against teams that were just starting to realize they could in fact play sports other than basketball.  Kind of the same arguement that is made against Tress sometimes with regards to a weaker Big Ten slate than years past.  Clemson, which was a legit team coming into the ACC, never became the rival for FSU that the league had hoped for, and VaTech didn't come into the picture until Bowden's swan song.  Not to say he wasn't a great coach and recruiter, and talk about a great literal coaching family tree (take that Parcells).

So for as much as I honestly think the guy is garbage as a human being and may ultimately have to give back some wins (some day, maybe), he (cringe) deserves a spot as much as anyone.  I just hope Urban can win one or two more soon so that we can stop talking about Saban as the Belichick of the college game.  

Squirrel Master's picture

I am anticipating Urban to win a couple and not only get consideration for the top 4 but also rival Woody as the best at OSU. *not saying better than, just rival him*

with today's teams and what Saban is playing against in the SEC I can agree that he has earned the right to be there. I just feel he easily be there given at least 5 more years at his current level.

I can also agree that Saban and Meyer does rival Paterno as far as relevance but unfortunately we do need to take into account his wins record and longevity. Bowden I would still say is above them because not only did he have longevity but he was relevant throughout his tenure at FSU. He may have had a weak ACC but still played Miami and Florida when they were powerhouses and beat them (if it wasn't for 3 missed kicks against Miami he could have had 2-3 more NC) and did beat the best in the NC game. Bowden was a much better coach than Paterno.

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chitown buckeye's picture

This is a great conversation... I personally think longevity has to account for something. When you look at the body of work I tend to think less of a coach that skips town every 5 years. I know he may be a great coach and has wins and titles but I don't like the fact he isn't synonymous with a School. There is no "dynasty" with Saban or Meyer right now. If Saban moves on from Alabama and starts new somewhere else I personally thinks that hurts his overall legacy. The same with Meyer, if he is here for 6yrs wins 1-2 NC but leaves or retires. Will he be remembered more for his work at Florida or OSU? I think that conversation hurts when talking about all time greats. Woody and Joe Pa were synonymous with there schools. They created a winning environment around them and would still be coaching at their schools right now if they could! They didn't jump ship with a bad recruiting class, or leave for more money. I think that should be taken into consideration when talking about the all time greats! Saban and Meyer can certainly get there but I think they need to show a certain amount of loyalty to there current schools then let there wins and titles do the talking. Just my two cents....

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gravey's picture

Too many ESPN links today.  There is other linkage out there without a horrible after taste.

BuckPirate1981's picture

This is thanks to all the Al Jazeera complaints the other day.  ESPN or Al Jazeera, take your pick and quitcherbitchin'.  

Ethos's picture

haha sadly, I would say Al Jazeera was less biased.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I pick Al ESPiNazeera.  

DJ Byrnes's picture

It's just links on the internet until... 

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millertime2011's picture

people seem to forget the bear bryant was heavily opposed to integrating schools/teams and was one of the last coaches to do so. why do people never talk about this when they talk about how great he was?

Squirrel Master's picture

Not sure if you lived that long ago or spent time at the Universities that Bryant worked at but in that article it does say he "even was ahead of his time to some extent, in appointing African-American assistant coaches in the Deep South at Alabama."

also, wikipedia says...."For years, Bryant was accused of racism for refusing to recruit black players, but he merely said that the prevailing social climate did not let him do this. He finally was able to convince the administration to allow him to do so after scheduling the Tide's 1970 season opener against a strong University of Southern California team led by black fullback Sam Cunningham. Cunningham rushed for 150 yards and three touchdowns in a 42–21 victory against the overmatched Tide. After that season, Bryant was able to recruit Wilbur Jackson as Alabama's first black scholarship player, and junior-college transfer John Mitchell became the first black man to play for Alabama. By 1973, one-third of the team's starters were black."

I remember hearing about this a few years ago but heard that it was not true, that he would have hired and recruited black coaches and players but he was not allowed. Same story for Adolph Rupp. SEC and the south was more to blame for racism than those 2 coaches.

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btalbert25's picture

Living in KY I always here both sides of the Adolph Rupp debate, and I think he and maybe Bryant to an extent are criticized more because they were guys in a position to do more and perhaps they didn't.  I don't know if that's fair or not, but if Adolph Rupp and Kentucky really wanted to go out and recruit black players, who was going to stop them? Rupp and Kentucky were famous for going against the grain and doing what they want.  The NCAA absolutely hated him and the program. I think Rupp just wanted to be a coach, not a trailblazer.  His defense, and I believe it was valid, was how can I take black players and put them on the court in Mississippi?  Especially, if his black player was the only black player in the conference. 

At any rate, what can be said about both coaches is this, once they got beat by black players, they suddenly started recruiting black players.  Were those losses a chance for the coaches to go back to the conference and say, see we need these athletes.  I hope so, because the alternative was that the coaches resisted until they couldn't any longer. 

My opinion was that neither man was a villain when it came to integrating their sports, but neither were heroes either.

Squirrel Master's picture

Good point. That is why I say throw out the off the field stuff and look at the coaches for what they did on the field.

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btalbert25's picture

I totally agree, all the coaches have some sort of baggage they aren't proud of

DJ Byrnes's picture

Adolph Rupp and Bear Bryant were moral cowards. Worse than even Joe Paterno since it was over a much longer period and effected way more people. 

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William's picture

^This, although Paterno's acts or lack thereof to me are just as disgusting. Who was to stop them from offering players of different races? No one, instead they just followed the status quo. Bill Willis was a starter at OSU in 1942 under Paul Brown. 1942, that was 29 years before John Mitchell played at Alabama in 1971. That's pathetic.

Squirrel Master's picture

I will not disagree that they were moral cowards. Given the political  situation at that time they could have taken a stance but deferred to the powers that must have been.

but I don't think that makes them racist. and it is hard to compare them to JoePa and other northern coaches who were in more liberal states. I could be wrong but it might have been career suicide if they pushed that issue and the institution wanted nothing to do with integration. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to know that if a bunch of rich white alumni didn't want integration into their southern schools, then they will make sure it doesn't happen.

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btalbert25's picture

I completely agree, outside of South Africa, were there really many places on the globe with more atrocious civil rights/human rights records at the time than Alabama?  Maybe it's neighbor Mississippi.  He didn't take a stand, and maybe he should have been more vocal about it, but a line had to be toed as well.  Not only would he be jeopardizing his career but his safety.  Bear Bryant or not, people didn't like anyone who rocked the boat down there.  Lives were threatened routinely when it came to people who fought for Civil Rights down there.  We know  how devout those fans are down there, could you imagine the reaction they'd have if Bear actively fought to integrate their team? 

It's easy to look back from 2012 and say oh my God that guy could've shouldve done so much more.  I definitely would've done this.  The thing is, it's 40-50 years later, many of us commenting weren't even alive then.  We certainly didn't live in Alabama during this period and can't comment on how brave we would've really been.  It's not like today where you can spout off with little fear of danger.  During this period, you could put yourself in really danger if you weren't careful.

southbymidwest's picture

Yup. Heck, the movie Remember the Titans is about the effects of desegregation on the T. C. Williams High School football team in Northern Virginia, right across from DC, in 1971, and the absolute furor it created. Mind you, NoVA is considered to be yankee by the rest of Virginia, and yet desegregation was a huge issue. Local school board elections were affected by it (for or against).

My husband's older brother played high school football in Arlington (neighboring town) in the late 60's and there was not an African American player on his team, nor on the other local "white" high school teams that he was familiar with/played against. It just simply wasn't done. The prevailing notion seemed to be that African Americans "had" their schools and colleges, and whites had white schools and colleges (the old separate but equal crap). It is so utterly foreign to us now that it is hard to comprehend that era. So I can understand (not to be confused with condoning or being an apologist for) the societal, political, personal, university administration and athletic booster issues that Bear Bryant was dealing with. He was a product of his times and his society. He must have felt like he was shovelling sand against the tide for a time once he decided to convince the Powers That Be and big money boosters to allow the integration of Alabama's football team.

William's picture

Lands under the Soviet union, especially in the Balkans, or the Baltic States can lay claim to some pretty serious atrocious human rights violation during that time period too.

Denny's picture

Please link ESPN more, and hide the links within a service like bit.ly -- it's good trolling.

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btalbert25's picture

In 2005/2006 did Urban neccessarily know he had the best coaching staff in the NCAA?  I doubt it.  It was a few years later when coaches like Strong started getting head coaching gigs other places that you knew just how great that staff was. It's much to early to judge this staff and we likely won't know for a few years how great it truly is.  Fickel, though he's been around a while is still a young coach that never had the keys to the defensive unit on his own(still doesnt I guess).  Herman is still making a name for himself.  If anything, this staff could be a lot like that Florida staff, where several end up being head coaches one day.

BuckPirate1981's picture

Heck, we already have two that were head coaches at this level, Hinton was a HC at the HS level along with his many other stops, Warinner has been an OC and I believe assistant HC in the past, our new DB coach has been a DC in the NFL, our Dline coach as more rings than the pimp outside my old house on West 9th Street just off High St... WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM US RITTENBERG???  AHHHHHHH!!!

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

What the models at eSECpn failed to recognize is that for quite some time, Urban sat in Florida knowing that there was a real good chance he would be offered (and subsequently accept) the HC job at OSU - all he did was research research research.  He absolutely knew everything about each person he went after - remember Tom Herman being blown away at how much Urban knew about his entire career.  Urban went after the coaches that fit his style, were aggressive, were passionate, and above all, were great recruiters!!!  He also went after guys that had strong Ohio roots so they could immediately re-establish that great relationship with the high schools in the state.  To me, Urban knew exactly what he was doing and although he missed on Stoops, got the staff that will benefit OSU the most!  Fuck eSECpn and their ridiculously biased viewpoint!!!  I will enjoy watching these clowns suck crow balls when we're in the title hunt for the next 10 years!!! 

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flipbuckeye's picture

I trust in Urban Meyer's eye for coaching talent as I do his eye for player talent.

Bennett rarely has anything positive or insightful to say. Rittenberg is a levelheaded guy. Bennett leans more towards your Bayless, May, talk-shit-and-get-paid kind of guy.

Buckeyeneer's picture

I agree. Rittenberg is one of the few at ESPN who is worth a damn. I stopped checking that blog when Bennett started doing more of the heavy lifting.

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slippy's picture

Is Corey Brown not a CB?

ih8rolltyde's picture

We actually signed two Corey Browns in last years class. "philly" is a wr and played (and dropped) a lot last year. "pitt" brown is a cb. What did ever happen to him?

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William's picture

Corey "Pitt" Brown was signed in 2009 as one of the top S/CB prospects in the nation. Corey "Philly" Brown was signed in 2010 as a highly sought after WR even though he mainly played RB in his high school's offense. "Pitt" Brown's career has been derailed by injuries and "Philly" Brown's season last year was marred by an ankle injury and several drops.

chibuck's picture

I think Urban wanted great recruiters. Seems like we got that with his coaching staff. Not to say they can't coach, but with their recruiting abilities, it will make it a lot easier.

hodge's picture

Personally, nothing that Rittenberg and Bennett said really bothered me.  They are totally right in that Meyer failed to bring in "star power" towards his promise of assembling the best staff in college football.  

Where their logic is flawed though, resides in the timing of their analysis.  Meyer has said countless times since taking the job here in Columbus that it takes years to evaluate a staff, making ESPN's Big-Ten-Blogging-Tandem's analysis completely superfluous.  Sure, this list lacks some "sexy" hires, but call up Notre Dame--I'm sure they'll take Hinton and Warinner back.  They might not be the powerhouse they once were, but their brand relevance isn't going away anytime soon.  Same thing goes with Florida and Marotti, why else would countless Florida alums in the NFL want to come back to the Capital of Ohio to work out this offseason?  Hint: It's not the Cameron Mitchell restaurants.

I mean, who did Meyer have on his introductory staff at Florida that fit the bill of a "star coach?"  Sure, a bunch may be head coaches now, but that's only after we were able to judge their output on the field.  It takes years to do that, and Rittenberg and Bennett should know that already.  They're not idiots though: Urban Meyer is a sexy name, and any "analysis" they do on him and Ohio State is going to get more hits than the four force fields you get every level on Space Invaders, regardless of how incredibly pointless said analysis really is.

Ethos's picture

Though those Cameron Mitchell restaurants are pretty good

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hodge's picture

Agreed, Cameron's is one of the city's best bistros, and Cap City Diner offers ludicrously-sized portions of comfort-food-oblivion.

In December, I realized that by providing your BuckID and spending $15 at the Union, you can score a $25 gift card there.  In the cruelest sense of irony, though, December was my last month at Ohio State.  I've still got one left though, looking to hit up the Ocean Club--I've been hearing very positive things.

BuckPirate1981's picture

I'm curious though - after all this success in recruiting, given Urbz has a great turn around season like Hoke did (against arguably tougher circumstances), does that mean he wins coach of the year too?

Ethos's picture

Give an Ohio State coach the coach of the year award?! Not likely.

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hodge's picture

If he goes 12-0, without question.  The odds decrease with each loss.  Working in Hoke's favour was the fact that no one expected Michigan to be a BCS-caliber team.  Granted, while I think (echoing many other sentiments across this site here) they benefitted from a choice schedule and eight home games, he still took a team that was predicted to go 7-5 to 11-2 and the cusp of a berth in the Big Ten Title Game.  

Unfortunately, Urban Meyer doesn't have Former-SDSU-Coach level expectations.  9-3 or even 10-2 will be seen as "par for the course" for Meyer's boys (this holds true with early media predictions).  For Meyer to win Coach of the Year he won't just have to win--he will need to annihilate the competition.  Granted, he has a good chance here with (parallelling Hoke here) 8 home games and a soft out-of-conference schedule.

So, in response to your question, my money says yes.  A strong 12-0, 11-1 or 10-2 finish with a top-ten ranking would have to at least put him on the short list.  The voters may be averse because of the "Earth Shattering Scandal" that happened only a year prior, but my money says Meyer is able to cleanse the media's palates and take home the hardware (in the aforementioned scenario).  

Granted, the butthurt at the Worldwide Leader will be palpable, and I will drink their tears in the sheer revelry of the Schadenfreude.

btalbert25's picture

See, I disagree completely.  If Urban gets this team to a 10-2 record, he's going to win coach of the year.  They just came off of their worst season in 20 plus years.  They lost a ton of talent from the O-line.  They lost to great leaders in Boom and Posey.  They still have question marks at Linebacker, WR, the secondary, O-Line etc.  If he can turn this thing around from 7 losses to a 2 loss season, he's getting coach of the year.

William's picture

He should get the award if they go 10-2. OSU just came off its worse since 1897 or at least first 7 loss season since then, not 20 years haha. As stated above he has a lost several starters from an already mediocre O-line. The secondary will be fine though. Next year I'd be most worried about the O-line and the LB corps.

btalbert25's picture

The most losses since 1897, but they played 13 games this year.  I'd argue that 1999 was just as bad or worse.  1988 the team only won 4 games.  There were some other yearse thrown in with 3-6 or 3-6-1 records etc.  So I don't think this was really the worst season since 1897, just the most losses, but also 3 more games than in some of the other really bad years.  One thing is for sure, it wasn't much fun, and a turn around will be very welcome.

Nutbuck1959's picture

It seems like the B1G favors only those who seem to do more with less. How else do you explain NO coy's for Tressel over 10 year, while Ferentz gets several?  Nationally, they hated Tress. Meyer not so...I am not sure this helps!

hodge's picture

Tressel cleaned up Coach of the Year awards in '02.  He won the Bobby Dodd, Bear Bryant, Eddie Robinson, Pigskin Club of D.C., Sporting News, and Touchdown Club of Columbus Coach of the Year.  He also won the same trophy from the Touchdown Club of Columbus in '06.  I don't think he ever won the B1G Coach of the Year, though.  Ferentz won it over Tress in '02.

hodge's picture

Very good point.  I dunno though, maybe it's because of my admittedly biased position--but I can really see us going 10-2, even technically "winning" the Leaders division.  Maybe since it seems so plausable to me (could also be the amount that we were spoiled by Mr. Tressel's outrageous success), I have a hard time believing that it will cement the voters' collective conscience that he deserves Coach of the Year--especially if Kiffin can take USC to the title game and end the SEC's streak.  That's quite an accomplishment, considering the draconian sanctions thrust upon them.  I think that he has to "Shock the World" with 11-1 or 12-0 to really be in play, 10-2 isn't out of the question--but he has to own every team he beats.

Now here's an interesting scenario though, Urban goes 12-0 and Kiffin goes 14-0, winning the title.  Who do you give the hardware to?

William's picture

USC. The team they have next year would easily beat us. There is NO way we go 12-0 next year, the offensive line is not going to be playing on nearly a high enough level in order to achieve that feat. Besides, USC will have the best player in the nation in Matt Barkley, guy is a stud, and is far better than Andrew Luck in my opinion.

hodge's picture

Totally agree on the head-to-head matchup, but who do you like for Coach of the Year?  Who did more with less?  12-0 isn't impossible, but only because the Big Ten is down, gotta have a seamless transition to Meyer's offense and a lot of breaks to go our way.  9-10 wins is much more plausable.  Agreed that is most likely not going to happen though.

William's picture

If we go 12-0, Meyer because Kiffin has a lot more developed players than Meyer will have at OSU. OSU is a very young team.  I see us winning 9-10 games next year.

onetwentyeight's picture

I think we're going 12-0. We don't play anyone of note OOC, don't have to travel somewhere to a bowl game vs a SEC team, and only get to play the patsies lined up in the B1G. I am 100% totally drinking the Kool AID AND IT TASTES SO GOOD. 

 

Seriously, the B1G is a crapfest with no true "elite" team. Sure, there's a few teams who could catch us on an off day and beat us potentially (wisky, MSU, scUM). But I like our chances vs each of them individually. We have a better QB than any of them and a DECIDED COACHING ADVANTAGE if i may say so myself (muahhaha). 

 

SO YES, I think we're going 12-0 Next year and will raise a ruckus about a split title with USC. (Barkley is a stud tho, and I do think if we had to play them next yr they'd beat us)

 

BuckPirate1981's picture

OSU coming off the worst year since the Ice Age, Kiffikins coming off a respectable campaign last year (with his own squad), you have to give it to Urban.  That's assuming that USC can manage to navigate the Pac 12 schedule undefeated (don't they usually lose at least one game they shouldn't?) and then top the SEC team of the week for the title.  Compare that to our schedule for next year.  Out of conference, Miami, UCF, Cal, and UAB should all be wins.  Indiana, Purdue, Penn State, and the Fighting Zooks (under new management) should all be wins.  MSU, Nebraska, and Wisconsin could go either way, but I think we get at least one out of three.  Realistically, we can beat M!ch!g@n this year as well. 10-2 is a completely realistic schedule.  If we were able to go to a bowl game, I'd almost say Urban was a lock for the award, but given we are not, I think he may have to go 11-1 or 12-0 to win the award.  Keep in mind Hoke was also in the running for the Bear Bryant, Eddie Robinson and Liberty Mutual COtY awards as well.  Gundy won the BB award, as well as the ER, with the LM going to the warlock Les Miles.  A 10-2 year might win Meyer at least one of those (historical side note, Woody won several of the Eddie Robs).

Not to digress, but I also wonder at what point Hoke's season in 2012 is labled a "disapointment" by the national media.  They start off with a loss to Alabama, then face a tougher schedule this year with Air Force, at ND, at Nebraska, as well as MSU and Iowa home dates (not to mention at tOSU).  They could realistically slide to Rich Rod levels of mediocrity, even before the Big Ten games begin and Urban begins his coach of the year awards campaign.  Oh, cruel irony.  

biggy84's picture

Urban's focus was based on coaches that had an Ohio background. He never promised sexy hires, but he did promise a great staff with passion. Those two knuckleheads aren't qualified to know a good staff from their ass. Besides, i don't care what espin thinks. 

timdogdad's picture

there's a reason there are expressions like talk is cheap and here is my 2 cents.  espn bloggers get paid to do just that.  write/talk stuff that is almost worthless or just worth 2 cents. so when you read it just remember it's value... $.02   not even a piece of gum.