Wednesday Skull Session

By Sarah on December 21, 2011 at 6:00a

Good morning, starshine. The earth says hello. No, I have not been listening to the soundtrack of Hair, but instead, I'm on my way to Florida for the holidays. I plan on enjoying a week of warm temperatures and sunshine, assuming I don't pull a Home Alone 2 and accidentally wind up in New York. This is not a brag—humble or otherwise—because upon my return, I will probably face tundra-like conditions and endless hours of shoveling snow.

Anyway, this Wednesday Skull Session is brought to you by another musical, the 2002 Best Picture winner Chicago1. Like Mses. Zeta-Jones and Zelleweger, I think we should all belt out, "We move on!" The NCAA verdict is in, and we can all put that mess behind us, right?

Well, maybe it's not that easy. On the first day of Hanukkah, appropriate given that this scandal feels like it has lasted 8(00000000) days, we found out that next year's team is forbidden from playing in a bowl or the Big Ten Championship Game. It's unfortunate, especially since those players were not the ones involved in the Pandora's box that was the TatGate affair.

But remember, Urban Meyer teams have a history of excellence in his second year with a program. So FYI, the 2014 BCS National Championship will take place in Pasadena. I can smell the roses already. 

IT'S (NOT) THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT. I think most of us anticipated the NCAA to tack on additional penalties, albeit exclusively in the form of probation and scholarship losses. Honestly, I probably would have expected a bowl ban if Gene Smith hadn't been so insistent that it wouldn't happen. In retrospect, that alone should have clued me in that one was coming. And while we would have preferred if this season's 6-6 Gator Bowl-bound team had been the ones serving the punishment, sanctions tend not work like that. 

On the bright side, as everyone from The Plain Dealer's Terry Pluto to Yahoo's Mike Huguenin to the Chicago Sun-Times' Rick Tealander has pointed out, Ohio State's in good enough shape to weather this storm. The new captain of the U.S.S. Buckeye knows what he's doing, and even though Meyer did not forecast a postseason ban, it's only for one year. Ultimately, it shouldn't be much of a detriment to his preternatural ability to recruit, and many commits have already shown their support.

As Noah Spence's father relayed, "We look at it as a lifetime commitment. We consider Ohio State and Urban Meyer family now.''

MAIN REACTIONS. Telling Pete Thamel that he was "livid" and sitting in his vehicle2 when he received yesterday's news, Gene Smith also had to apologize to the new coach, who said, "‘I'm with you." In his public statement, Meyer conveyed, "It is still my goal to hire excellent coaches, recruit great student-athletes who want to be a part of this program and to win on and off the field."

Meanwhile, current juniors like Jake Stoneburner ("Damper on the day...") and Etienne Sabino ("Wow ...smh") were not exactly thrilled that the final bowl game of their collegiate careers will be the Gator Bowl. 

Smith explained to Doug Lesmerises that he was convinced there would be no postseason ban, and yet, he incompetently3 would have rather it come next season instead of now:

"These young men fought through adversity. I know that Buckeye Nation is all about next year and looking forward to winning a national championship, and that is right...But when you think about Michael Brewster and Andrew Sweat and those young people, you don't want to deny them that opportunity. We have young people who have earned that right to play in a bowl. "

Although it's true that Brewster and Sweat did nothing wrong, neither did next year's team. Somehow, I think Brewster and company would have fallen on their swords and given up the Gator Bowl in exchange, but since the NCAA COI would not offer an opinion on a hypothetical matter, that may not have been a possibility anyway. 

In his interview with Bob Baptist, Gordon Gee said as much by stating, "a voluntary ban is different from an NCAA sanctioned ban", but then, he also maintained his support for Smith, like he did in embarrassing fashion for Tressel last March, so take that article with a grain of salt, I guess. I'm sure most agree that the current athletic director will not and should not be around much longer. 

Yeah, that's right. The Ohio State University.@JeffBoals presents this image of coaching supremacy

THEY'RE HERE ALREADY! YOU'RE NEXT! As many of us are aware, even if other sports fans tend to forget it, several programs besides Ohio State are in hot water with the NCAA. SI's Stewart Mandel outlined what it could mean for them if Ohio State's case sets a precedent.

North Carolina should be the next school to receive a verdict, and they also face a Failure to Monitor charge. However, their violations entail academic fraud and illegal benefits from an agent, for which the NCAA has little tolerance. 

Miami, whose investigation will not conclude for a while, has to deal with the repercussions of Nevin Shapiro, who was like Bobby DiGeronimo, if you add drugs, hookers, clubs, abortions, yachts, and much more money handed out to many more players. The hammer may not have been dropped on Ohio State, but Miami better prepare for the effects of Mjolnir.

Oregon has the Willie Lyles issue to answer to, and Mandel thinks that will bring scholarship losses and a possible Tressel-esque show-cause penalty applied to one or more of their coaches. However, he believes that the NCAA will eventually leave Penn State's ordeal to the justice system. 

AND A RAP BY LITTLE OLD ME LAMAR4. Aside from J.D. Weatherspoon's free fries-providing dunk near the end of the game, the basketball team's win over Ben Folds Five fans Lamar was fairly uneventful. Still, Sullinger was back to his usual double-double ways, despite noticeably limping. After the game, he told a busy Bob Baptist, "I've got to get back into the routine. I can't really sit here and wait for it to heal up" with the Big Ten season around the corner.

Buford left the game in the first half in visible pain, but Matta asserted that it was just a stinger. Although he returned in the second half, the senior missed all four of his shot attempts post-injury. Matta was noncommittal about the chance of LaQuinton Ross, someone who could help with the team's inconsistent three-point shooting, seeing the court soon.  

At halftime, Ohio State alum Bob Knight was presented with a University Ambassador Medal. In his speech, he spoke highly of the school and the job Matta has been doing. The General also praised the addition of Urban Meyer and proclaimed, "I really believe very strongly that Ohio State, now with its basketball staff and its football staff, has the best combination of these two coaches of any university in the country."

BOWL CUTS. For the Bo Derek fans who picked the Big Ten to go a perfect 10-0 in bowl games5, it might be time to rethink that stance. Iowa running back Marcus Coker will sit out the Insight Bowl against Oklahoma due to a violation of the Student Code of Conduct, and BHGP is cursing the Angry Iowa Running Back Hating God once again.

Last night, Florida International and Marshall faced off in the Beef O'Brady's Bowl. Despite a sponsorship that includes Brady Hoke's first name and the implication of a high calorie diet, Michigan was not involved, though it would have made more sense than a spot in the Sugar Bowl. Anyway, the contest was light on excitement until the fourth quarter when Marshall blocked a punt and quickly broke the 10-10 tie with a field goal. With just over 30 seconds left, and on 4th & 5, the Thundering Herd's QB, Rakeem Cato, hit Aaron Dobson for a 35-yard TD. At the end, there was a bit of a scrum between the two teams, because brawlers gonna brawl.  

In much more pleasant news, a couple Louisiana Tech players donated some of their bowl gifts to the Make-A-Wish Foundation. Both WR Quinton Patton and LB Adrien Cole gave up their $300 Best Buy cards. Cole added the $97 watch presented by the Poinsettia Bowl, which will be played tonight versus TCU. 

BEFORE THE LINK IS DRY. Stop it... Ohio State recruit Adolphus Washington: best or the bestest HS athlete in the country?... Party Down, the movie? Are we having fun yet?... Breaking Bart... Every commenter on end-of-the-year lists... Year-End Lists... The truth behind holiday greetings... Neko Case's cover of "Christmas Card From a Hooker in Minneapolis". 

  • 1 Really? Her?
  • 2 Samir-style (language warning). 
  • 3 No surprise there. 
  • 4 As requested by @StevePoland.
  • 5 Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before?

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Kennywayne34's picture

the U's butt is bout to be sore when that all comes down... at least it better be



BuckeyeSki's picture


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Squirrel Master's picture

a bit off topic, but I have a story to share. did best I could do. :)

Twas the week before Christmas, after a week of a recruiting circus,
Not a creature was stirring, not even a walrus.
The pads were all arranged and cleaned by the crews,
In hopes that the NCAA will come with some news.

The players were practicing, preparing for Gators ,
While stories were being told by those that are haters.
And with Sarah and her Twitter, I with my tweets,
Had just settled our brains for this year’s defeats.

When out of nowhere came a bowl ban and some schollies,
I sprang to my computer and jumped my dog Holly.
Away to a new window I click on the tab,
Type in Elevenwarriors and gave enter a tap!

The gray box that appeared on the first page,
Gave the feeling of pain too much for my age.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a tad strong sanction, and comments “click here”.

With a few harsh words, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment I was about to feel sick.
More rapid than eagles the cursing they came,
And we screamed, and shouted, and called them by names!

"Now Tressel! now, Smith! now, Pryor and Posey!
Come on, Boom! Come on, Hall! Stop imposing!
To the top of the BigTen! to the bottom of football!
Now go away! go away! go away all!" (all except Hall!)

As I dry heave with a bit of vomit in my throat,
The sugar in my coffee continues to float.
So down to the section I enjoy the most,
With the comments a coming, and Tressel to roast.

And then, in a twinkling, I read for some proof
That recruits will be staying and playing under our roof.
As I drew in my breath, and relaxed just a bit,
I realized that this was not that much of a hit.

One bowl ban in a year of growing,
Braxton Miller will develop his throwing.
A bundle of scholarships they will be losing,
Doesn’t mean much, cuz 5 stars they are choosing.

His eyes-how they twinkled! his smile did so too!
His cheeks were like roses, when his passion came through!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
As he fired arrows of knowledge they should know.

“This team is a winner, you all see that,
Wouldn’t you want a buckeye on your hat?

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his point,
“The NCAA loves us, they will not disappoint.”
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
“I know something, you’ll play in the Rose!”

So with that all said, Fuck the NCAA, And Gene smith too.
You both must hate us, and same back to you.
But most of all to my friends at EW,
"Happy Christmas to all, and no more Bollman to view!"

I saw a UFO told me to have a goodyear!

Baroclinicity's picture


When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

BucksfanXC's picture

This should be a blog post not a comment. And it should be promoted to the front page. Nice work.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Squirrel Master's picture

wish I knew how to post on here. I will work on it. Glad you guys like it.

I saw a UFO told me to have a goodyear!

Squirrel Master's picture

hey, I did it. Its a post on the side. Thanks Bucksfan!

I saw a UFO told me to have a goodyear!

Maestro's picture

Bravo SM.

vacuuming sucks

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buckeyedude's picture

Winner, winner! Chicken dinner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Riggins's picture

I wish I could "rec" this post 100 times.  Well done.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Who cares about other schools at this point. If we react to the punishments of UNC and Miami the way people reacted to ours, we are no different. Our problems are over and a 1 year bowl ban makes 2012 nothing more than a learning experience. Of course, people are kidding themselves if people think Meyer won't have these kids up for every game. I can't imagine the amount of butthurt 2014 will cause when OSU and USC battle for the National Title.


BuckeyeChris's picture

" I can't imagine the amount of butthurt 2014 will cause when OSU and USC battle for the National Title."

Not least one SEC team (two is okay, too) must complete for the MNC. 

throttlefinger's picture

Spot on, B-mill. It's a waste of time parrying with USC about what happened to them as well as concern ourselves with other penalites. It is what it is, time to move on and begin the road to domination. Lession learned and so on. Time to focus on getting top recruits to play hard nose, aggressive yet inventive play on both sides of the ball. Let's retire the blame talk and focus on the shame we're going to impose on everyone in the coming years.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's counterproductive for the friends of USC and Ohio State, respectively, to bicker with eachother; they should form common cause to undermine the NCAA.  

Like any vulnerable ruler, the almighty NCAA wants its lowly subjects to be in-fighting (divide and conquer) and directing their frustrations at targets other than the almighty NCAA. We need to wake up to the reality that the NCAA's authority rests on a very shaky foundation.  

BrewstersMillions's picture

I couldn't help but enjoy the butthurt from our favorite rival blogger and his hoke-blind minions over at that site up north. I think all of us agreed from the outset that people were going to have a problem with the severity of the punishment no matter how 'severe' it was. I think the words DEATH PENALTY got thrown around more than the words I LOVE YOU in a 16 year old's relationship with their 'soulmates'. I'd be willing to bet eleventy gabillion dollars that if you asked ANYONE who called for the death penalty on OSU, to a man they wouldn't be able to tell you what SMU did to earn theirs. But alas, we are OSU. We are despised and reviled. And for good reason. Just wait until Urban hangs 60 on Indiana or runs it up on Sparty or leaves his starters in against Michigan with a 4 TD lead. The hatred will flow and we will laugh, clink our glasses and cheer.

I still hold the punishment is spot on. Coupled with everything we did to ourselves-this is about right considering the crime. By the time signing day comes, Urban shifts his focus to his coaching staff and the upcoming season. By the time opening day comes he gets to recruit the best players available with no worries of bowl bans or uncertainty. You thought it was good these last few weeks? Give the man a full year of no axes dangling over his head. The B1G and most of the NCAA are in some serious trouble-and not the kind OSU was in. Today is the first day of the rest of our football lives.



The Braden's picture


Well said!


Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I feel out of touch with the year end lists. I knew the music, but don't like 90% of it, I've only read 1Q84, and 11/22/63, I haven't seen any of the movies listed, and only have the desire to see Drive and maybe Contagion. Does this make me old?

BuckeyeSki's picture

Nah man, that's a ridiculously hipster listing. The only things on there worth a damn are the Foo Fighters and Beastie Boys albums (dont read books so can't comment on the literature)

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

The music list seems absent a Y chromosome, and that's cool for some music.  I mostly enjoy music like that somehow involving Hope Sandoval.  They could have at least included her new stuff on this list somehow.  What kills me is that they throw Jay-Z & Kanye and Drake on their lists to make up for the lack of testosterone or something. (Didn't someone include Lady Gaga?) It's not even obscure, underground hip-hop. (IMO it should be reserved for middle aged white dudes tryin' to be gangsta/party/whatever or something similar -- see doucheydouchbag dudes for an example) At least be hipster about your hip-hop.  There are a ton of obscure Euro dudes rapping now that would fit nicely into that category. I can sit listening through some Bon Iver and even some The National, but IMO they fail to even be as good as Elliot Smith or Damian Rice.  At least Iver and National have a bit o' Cash influenced into their sound.  I'd rather listen to Deer Tick, Dax Riggs, Blitzen Trapper or The Blackwater Fever.  I do realize none of this was released this year rendering my argument null and void and slightly hypocritical.  Some Puscifer would have been nice to see on a list tho.

I will agree they had a few albums that I like, but mostly not a chance in hell.  The only conclusion I can come to - IISY is getting old.

BuckeyeSki's picture

Puscifer FTW....the new Tool album can't get here fast enough

/waits another 5 yrs for Maynard

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

If it ever comes...

Met Danny, Adam, and Justin on the same vacation that I met Jim Tressel.  A trip to Sarasota right after the '06 debacle.  Flight was at something like 4:30 in the morning.  Met Tress on the flight down.  He sat right beside me and my wife and then in front of us on the connection.  I ignored him until the second flight and he was really cool and easy to talk to. Ran into the TooL band minus Maynard who was staying at the same hotel.  Didn't even know who they were until some dude told me. One of them (can't tell them apart) was playing some weird bongo thingy while another one was juggling some weird fire thing during a sunset on the beach. They are my favorite band ever.  They were cool and easy going too.  Best vacation ever.  Realized Hope Sandoval link didn't work..

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Even without a B1G championship game or bowl game I'm still excited for this upcoming football season. We have some serious "revenge" games and Eat Too III to look forward to.

Northbrook's picture

UNC and Miami are Whistlin' Past the Graveyard & Waits' Blue Valentine is one of my favorites

Denny's picture

My Christmas list:

1) A new AD.



Buckeye Black's picture

Does anyone have a chart comparing Ohio State's and USC's violations?  Preferably with big pictures, maybe some color by numbers, so my SEC cohorts can understand why tOSU didn't get the same punishment.

Baroclinicity's picture

This is from The Buckeye Battle Cry a few months back.  Spells it out pretty nicely, but for Ohio State, I don't think it has the booster stuff that got Posey 5 additional games.


When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Maestro's picture

Thanks for that link.

vacuuming sucks

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Excellent link!!!  I wish they would have included the Miami stuff as well.  It certainly cleared up a bunch of misinformation that I had taken as fact.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Squirrel Master's picture

good link. needs to be updated with the Digermino stuff and the golf event stuff but still not even close to the crap other institutions are doing and we have heard little of. Did not know Boise State did all that and South Carolina is just unreal. Miami is Miami. lol

I saw a UFO told me to have a goodyear!

BuddhaBuck's picture

It would be great to see a kid commit today (or this weekend) following the NCAA sanctions.

Insert:  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't text while driving.

BuckeyeChris's picture

Somewhat off topic, but an idea that has swirled around in my head the last few days. It's either genius, or over-reacting and stupid. I can take the arrows... or the praise. 

I see a lot of the problems we've seen over the last few years being the result of people who play for "Team Me" and who don't understand that it is an honor to wear the S & G.  In that frame of mind, why not get the names off the back of the unis? Either leave them blank or replace the names with "OHIO STATE" or "BUCKEYES," etc... The Air Force, for example, puts words like "Honor" and "Freedom" on the backs of their unis (at least they did for the Notre Dame game this year...only game I saw them).  

I just think it would be a nice gesture on the part of Meyer and the (new?) AD. 

BuckeyeNation's picture

You know, i just had a thought... what if the Army, Navy or Air Force ever had issues like this? Do you think the "NCAA Bylaws" would apply here? Now, don't misunderstand, I'm not naive and I'm well aware that these 3 programs are run by our government! But one has to wonder???

BuckeyeChief's picture

As far as the USNA, if you screw up bad enough to get kicked off the team, you either pay back to total amount of what it cost so far (books, uniforms, housing, schools, etc.) and if you can't pay it back you come in enlisted for a few years to pay back the commitment. I can't say it happens ever with football players, but there was a QB in the late 80's or early 90's who failed out, and had to come in enlisted.

FWIW, those guys have heavily structured days until summer break, and in my (lowly) opinion, most of the alum are Commanders/ Captains/ Admirals who have better things to do than give bogus jobs and shennanigins...the Mids don't have time to screw off like other guys.

"2014 National with it!!!"

njc2o's picture

*googles Mjolnir*

dubjayfootball90's picture

I tried to sound it out... Stopped at 'majay' / 'emjah' and then just kept reading, not giving it another thought. I gotta google it too.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Donald Blake is not impressed.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Thor's hammer. Also Nick Mangold's nickname for his beard.

BuckeyeJim's picture

All I know is that there is one for sale on Ebay for $59.99.

Menexenus's picture

*googles Mjolnir*


You clearly did not read enough comic books when you were a pre-teen.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

spqr2008's picture

Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition! The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.

Urban needs to post this on the wall in the locker room.

GoBucks713's picture

you had me at V

-The Aristocrats!

spqr2008's picture

Gene Smith could have preserved his job by simply stating that the decision was unprecedented and totalitarian action by a cartel, and that we will be both appealing and suing the NCAA for lack of due process (the guys who will be punished didn't do it).

BuckeyeChris's picture

"Those who stay will be scapegoats." 

BuckeyeChris's picture

Sad...but true. Also, this would only apply to the 2012 season. 2013 looks ...glorious!


bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

This may be way out there on the conspiracy line but...

Does anyone else think it is weird that the NCAA waited until after bowl selection to hand down this penalty?

1. The SEC and ESPN and NCAA are all in bed together

2. Urban Meyer comes to OSU

3. The SEC gets pissed

4. The SEC calls ESPN who calls the NCAA

5. The NCAA drags their feet until after 2011 bowl selection

6. 3:00 PM Yesterday

7. Today

You can't tell me that the NCAA didn't know months ago that they were going to give OSU a bowl ban. I'm sure that idea wasn't thought of yesterday morning. I think it is the NCAA's way of sticking it to OSU.  "We will have them go to a crappy bowl this year, and ban them next year. 2 for 1."

spqr2008's picture

A little far out there, but not impossible.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

See my comment below. Greg Sankey of the infractions committee is also associate commissioner of the SEC. Absurdly, he's the one quoted in the Dispatch this morning explaining why Ohio State deserved this ridiculous "punishment."

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I absolutely agree that we shouldn't feed the corrupt NCAA's faux legitimacy by demanding that it hit other programs even harder. 

What really burned my ass this morning was reading, in the Dispatch, Greg Sankey's rationalizations for why Ohio State deserved this absurd "penalty." Hmm, let's see, in addition to Sankey being a member of the silly infractions committee, he's also a Assoc. Commissioner of the freakin' SEC. As we all know, eSECpn is in competition with the BT Network/Fox. Recently, some colllege presidents have hinted/joked that, in future, the FBS subdivision will be further divided into the espn v. Fox subdivisions. That this p.o.s. Sankey has the temerity to lecture Ohio State in the wake of the Auburn fiasco is absurd beyond words. Fuck the NCAA!     

Other affiliations represented on that "committee" include: Missouri, Oregon, Notre Dame, Florida State, plus Ivy League lawyers and non-ACQ schools/conferences.

As our own fellow NCAA apologists have stated here, actions have consequences. The consequences of the NCAA's pyrrhic victories of the last few years is that they will cease to exist. Fortunately, the USC people, who felt like they got a raw deal, already have infrastructure in place that is actively working to undermine the NCAA (For example, the NCAA is potentially vulnerbale to losing its tax exempt statuts) Maybe we can tap into, contribute to, those efforts somehow.

The NCAA is also facing new courth challenges that some legal analysts believe are more worrisome to the NCAA than previous such efforts.   

There's other ways to undermine the NCAA, but some of them aren't so polite. For example, the flip side to NCAA officials like Sankey running their mouths is that they therefore become fair game for reverse-character assassination. We might at least consider doing what political operatives call "opposition research" on NCAA officials, including members of the sanctions commitee - i.e., dig up dirt on them, undermine their moral positions by any legal means available. The problem with that approach is that it's expensive, not something that is easly down by amateurs doing "desktop" research via Google, etc.   

spqr2008's picture

Oppo research should be easy to do.  Just find Bobby DeGeronimo and ask him to help fund it, along with several big time boosters from UNC, Miami, Oregon, etc.  Establish an agency dedicated to destroying the NCAA as we know it (or at least reforming it to respect basic constitutional rights).

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's very difficult to reform a monster like the NCAA in any meaningful way. At a certain point, it becomes necessary to scrap that project and create a newer model from scratch.

Now, we must be relaistic about what we'd be up against: the great majority of schools in the NCAA (the Wake Forests in the FBS; and all of FCS, Div. 2, and Div. 3) benefit from the current arrangement (in economics, they call it "free riding"), and will rabidly fight, via the political channels, any attempt by the major fball/bball programs to create a new arrangement.

On the other hand, a growing number of people "in the know" are realizing that the current system is simply unsustainable - and is falling apart from its own contradictions.  

Bucksfan's picture

You've been reading too many novels.

Buckeye 09's picture

I can't believe they are making a party down movie. That is the best news I've got all week.

spqr2008's picture

The NCAA is where Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party can combine forces.  It is an entrenched bureaucracy subject to huge corporate influences (see Tat5 playing in Sugar Bowl, ESPN/Fox battle SEC/Big 10), mixed with heavy government subsidies (b/c most schools lose money on sports) including student loans that pay for activites fees (govt guarenteed loans), and direct federal and state funding of higher ed.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, we should start by joining ongoing efforts to remove the NCAA's tax exempt status. Rather than bicker with USC people and hope that other programs get hit even harder by NCAA sanctions, we should join forces politically. Send emails/letters to and/or phone your Representative and Senators demanding the end of the NCAA's tax exempt status. It's a good place to start, but only one prong in a multi-pronged attack.  

BuckeyeNation's picture

Ok, i have a really serious question...

If I DVR a game on a certain channel, will that channel still get the ratings?


Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Ratings only get counted if you are chosen, and you'd know it. They give you a device or ask you to record your viewing habits.

SLVRBLLTS's picture

Not if you don't have Neilsen rating box. If you aren't Neilsen connected, it wouldn't even count if you watched it live.

"Because we couldn't go for three"

btalbert25's picture

I thought this too and so much last week concerning bowls.  Then a few responded that Nielsen isn't the only way they gather data about ratings anymore.  It was said that digital cable boxes send info back now too.  I don't know if that's true or not, it was the first I have heard of it to be honest, but it seemed to be a common belief.

Buckeye Scottie's picture

I have done a Nielson thing, without a box.  They sent me like a weeklong worksheet, where i filled out what I watched.  It includes if you watch it live or DVR, so they do count it both ways.  But as they said earlier, you have to be selected in order for you to actually count.  They sent me like 3 crisp singles for my troubles....

spqr2008's picture

I've thought about making fake calls to the NCAA's enforcement arm.  Just say there was a violation going on somewhere, make them investigate it and waste resources.  Also make sure to identify yourself as the person reporting it, then clam up and lawyer up if it comes to that.  Frankly if they try and force you to cooperate, you can simply ignore them.  They are not the government, and if they try and exert influence over you by pressuring others around you, record everything and take it to the press.  The more bad press the NCAA gets the better. 

BuckeyeNation's picture

A brotherhood member gave me this link yesterday on the NCAA. It's a really great read!

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

We can be pissed at the NCAA all we want, but the reality is that its the players faults for doing these things, Tressel's fault for not coming clean about these things, the compliance department's fault for not being proactive about all of this and the AD's fault for not managing the situation.  To me, the biggest mistake we made was back in early 2011 where we had a chance to investigate everything that went on with the 5 suspended players.  We should have uncovered Bobby D. then and if we would have come clean with everything then, this matter would have been settled already, we would have taken our lumps this year and moved on.  The bottom line is that we're in this position because of things our university did and did not do, and whether the rules make sense or not, OSU has agreed to follow them.  We need to man up and move on.  Let the players vent on the field, and let the fans vent by supporting their team and school.

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spqr2008's picture

Absolutely it's the player's and Tressel's faults for not coming clean, but I still demand vengance against the maniacal, tryannic regime that caused Tressel to have to choose between his job and the actual LAW, and then further more, choose which law he wanted to break (Perjury vs. Obstruction of Justice vs. Both).  I have a HUGE problem with the fact that Tressel did not report this at first, but I also have a HUGE problem with the fact that he basically had to incriminate himself either way he went.  Now, with the players, I agree that they should have all been booted from the team and lost their scholarships after the 2nd and 3rd violations, but as for the first, I have no problem with people earning money from items they earned by their work.  The only problem I had with the Tat5 stuff was the discounted tatoos and Herron selling his jersey (jerseys are generally team property).  The rest was theirs to sell as they saw fit, and frankly I believe they would end up regretting that later on in life (but it is not our place to "protect" them from that).  An institution that imposes totalitarian controls, has no concept of due process or trail by a jury of peers, has no legitamacy as a governing body, especially when it flagarantly and blatantly allows civil rights violations (again see Tressel, and 5th amendment).

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

btalbert25's picture

The schools choose to be a member of the NCAA and to be governed by their rules.  They make comprimises in the name of making a ton of money.  If more schools than just Ohio State banded together and decided to create their own league/governing body, then I'd be impressed.  Bottom line, no one is willing to do that.  They are all willing to be part of the NCAA. 

spqr2008's picture

That much is true, however, the first step to creating their own league/ governing body would be simply to explain to all the actually profitable athletic departments that "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."


btalbert25's picture

I don't disagree with this at all.  That, though, again is a responsibility of Ohio State.  It's obvious through this mess that the school isn't going to be a trailblazer here.  They are going to be the school that takes their lumps and learns their lesson.  They are going to be a follower when it comes to this, not the leader.  Probably for good reason too.  That first school that tries to organize a new governing body is going to get pummeled.  The NCAA will throw everything AND the kitchen sink at that first school to try and discredit them and keep it from happening.  Once that first domino falls the NCAA is done.  They'll do everything in their power to keep it from falling.


spqr2008's picture

To quote myself:  "The worst thing that can happen to a totalitarian regime is for it to lose relevance, and for entities composing its "citizens" to become free or disciplined in any manner.  In light of that, the NCAA absolutely would have had to add to the punishments to declare their relevance as well as assert that they own all property and persons associated with NCAA athletics, not the individuals or their institutions.  However, the silver lining with this kind of assertion is that when the former players win their suit against the NCAA for using their likenesses for profits years down the road, this kind of assertion of "ownership" will hurt the NCAA."


And to add to that:  The reason totalitarian regimes CANNOT tolerate dissidents is because they introduce doubt into the system.  And once the doubt of the efficacy of any governing body reaches a critical mass, a revolution is born.  That revolution may not be successful in the near term, but long term it creates instabilities that will bring the entire system down.  And generally, the more closed, intolerant, and arbitrary the system is, the greater the motive for the revolutionairies to fight to the death for their cause, because they know that justice is not obtainable without regime change.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

That's why the university was right to move on, not appeal, be diplomatic.

The need to protect against NCAA retaliation (which is a wise strategy, not a moral principle) does not apply to alumni/fans/friends of the university. We are free to undermine the NCAA without much fear of retaliation. Individually, most of us are nonentities in the grand scheme of things (I know I am), but that also means that we're too small to target. As individuals, it's also true that we can't do much damage to the NCAA, but properly unleashed like Pirhana in murky waters, we can do some political damage en masse, if we employ our resources smartly.   

spqr2008's picture

Exactly.  A guerilla campaign against them, specifically targeted to cause the most damage in the most ways, supported by a relatively friendly press (anyone who follows college sports knows the corruption and hypocrisy commonly lamented by most college football writers) can cause instability within the regime, and eventually, help bring about change.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good points. Let me know if you want to start brainstorming and networking it a bit. I'll do what I can.  

spqr2008's picture

First, we need someone with a background in the intelligence community, as well as someone else who has experience running either marketing or political campaigns.  Between those two people and brainstorming, we should be able to come up with some targeted "sting" operations to reveal the NCAA's hypocrisy.

btalbert25's picture

Very well said.  I'm so sick and tired of all the whining about NCAA, SEC, and ESPN.  ESPN doesn't control how the NCAA rules.  SEC teams have been in plenty of hot water before, and a couple are right now.  This was an Ohio State problem.  Ohio state players, their coach, and administration screwed the pooch here.  If you don't break the rules, however you don't have to worry about the sanctions handed down by the NCAA. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, I know I'm about to (yet again) come across as being the pompous ass that I am, but it's your fault. It's an Albert problem, not a Run_Fido_Run problem that I'm forced to school you on basic logic:

1. Obviously, it's not the "fault" (in the sense of responsiblity for an action, aka "agency") of the NCAA that a member school broke an NCAA rule that applies to member schools. Logically, the only NCAA rules that the NCAA can violate are those pertaining to its role as the governing authority. 

2. If someone is arguing, however, that an NCAA punitive action (over which they do have the agency) is draconian, then that action is the "fault" of the NCAA (i.e., they are responsible for it). 

Just to clarify the underlying logic, here's a much more severe example, with no intent to equate the NCAA's actions with real severity: in pre-Industrial England, the courts would occasionally pass very severe sentences, as means of making high-profile examples, by hanging petty criminals, including children, who stole low value items, such as a spoon or loaf of bread. By your logic, if someone lamented that such penalties were barbarically cruel, you'd retort, "It's not the judge's fault that the kid stole a spoon. It's a kid problem, not a court system problem."       

btalbert25's picture

I guess I just don't compare the NCAA to pre-Industrial England.  The schools choose to be a member of the NCAA. The choose to abide by those rules.  They have lectures with  the kids all the time on compliance.  The rules may be dumb, but ya know what?  No schools are pushing for reform.  So yes, I do put responsibility on the schools. 

Words like Draconian and totalitarian are nice words to try and make a point, but c'mon man.  This isn't pre-Industrial England or North Korea or any other oppressive regime, and quite honestly it's ridiculous to imply the NCAA is.  Schools make a ton of money and kids get a free education(which actually does have value and is illegal in many oppressive regimes), food, health care, tutors, housing, great facilities to work out in, world class coaching to prepare them for their sport, and the list goes on and on.  I just don't buy the notion that the NCAA is some oppressive regime or that student athletes are modern day slaves and some of the other BS that is spouted off. I do think more should be done so that the kids can make some money.  I do think they should be able to profit from the use of their name and image.  They should also be able to sell whatever they want as long as it's within the confines of the law.

The NCAA is a joke, but I'm not going to act as if they are everything that's wrong in the world and must be stopped at all costs.  9 Scholarships may hurt a little bit, but likely it'll just mean that 1 or 2 4th year walk ons don't get a token scholarship.  It's a small enough number of scholarships that it likely won't do much.  Does Ohio State get a cut of the conference's bowl games next year, despite not being in a bowl game?  If so a 1 year bowl ban really does nothing to hurt them, they collect the money and don't have to pay travel expenses for the team and band.  I guess we can argue if the crime was really that big of a deal or not, but my thought is what came out was just the tip of the iceberg, and if enough digging was done, or if more people were willing to talk, you would find many more allegations. 

Keep fighting the good fight, try to get some reform and let us know how that goes.  I just think it's nonsense acting as if the NCAA is some great evil that is destroying everyone's lives and is horribly oppressive.  That story can be sold somewhere else, because I'm not buying it.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, I like you, but you seem to have reading comprehension problems and occasionally veer off into illogical tangents. Let me try one last time:

1. How clear did I have to make it that the English courts example was merely to make a logical point?!? If you're going to get hung up on the word "draconian," which is often used with a certain amount of poetic license, how about excessive? If the party issuing the sanctions end up issuing sanctions that are excessive, what party is responsible for issuing those sanctions? Hmmm . . . maybe the responsible party? If we had a problem with those sanctions maybe being excessive, where would we look for remedy to those actions

2. You build strawmen faster than I can knock them down. Please cite who wrote that the NCAA = "oppressive regime," that "student athletes are modern day slaves," that NCAA = "everything that's wrong in the world and must be stopped at all costs" and that "NCAA is some great evil that is destroying everyone's lives and is horribly oppressive." My arguments: the NCAA is being corrupted by its own internal contraditions; the penalty against Ohio State was excessive; the NCAA should be disbanded and replaced by another model. Please, please stick to the actual arguments and not ascribe strawmen arguments to others that they never made themselves. It's disrespectful and something that I don't do to you.   

3. Reckless, unfounded assumptions: apparently, you've decided that the findings against Ohio State "was just the tip of the iceberg," based on what evidence? 

btalbert25's picture

My first point, which you responded to, was basically made because I'm tired of hearing all the conspiracy theories about the NCAA and people always relating ESPN and the SEC to the fight.  I made that comment because in the last year I've read on this very site stuff like college sports are mondern slavery, the NCAA was out to get us, the NCAA is a totalitarian organization.  They are oppressive, and on and on.  Just looke back at some of the stuff that's been said since the announcement came out.  It's BS.  Maybe I should've just made a new post rather than reply to yours.  Sorry you feel offended or disrespected, as if you really give a crap what some dude you have never met on the internet says.  Quite frankly, I don't.

My responses get a little jumbled sometimes as I'm actually jumping on the site during down times at work, so sometimes my thoughts get interrupted.  I certainly don't have time to lay them out in bullet points.  My response to your 3rd point, though, is I don't think it's a reckless assumption at all.  I think it's common sense.  There is more than 1 shady business owner out there who wants to say he has Ohio State football players hanging out at his business.  There is more than one booster willing to grease the player's palms a bit.  There is always a player or more willing to take these benefits.  If that's reckless to think that way guilty as charged.  I didn't state it as fact, I said in my opinion.  I'll maintain that opinion.  I'll also say you can probably go to any major program and find other problems. 

You can pick apart my comments all you want.  For what it's worth I agree with a lot of what you have to say.


Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, it's all good . . .

But why resond to other people's weak arguments (e.g., someone suggesting that the NCAA is modern day slavery)? IMO, the best way to hash out the best argument is to take the better arguments, being careful to (re)construct them fairly on their own terms, and then let those better arguments battle it out.   

It's fine if someone disagrees with my arguments - in this case, it sounds like you agree with my arguments, for the most part - but I have a hard enough time making my own case without having to take ownership of other weak arguments.   

Hoff_TBDBITL's picture

Solid Norse mythology/Thor reference. 

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I was thinking it was more of a Lee/Kirby Thor.

Maestro's picture

Sure I am pissed about the NCAA punishment.  Sure I feel terrible for the current roster.  Sure I am worried about the effects on recruiting that will stem from this.  Sure I am concerned that this is the last straw that will convince Fickell to jump ship for greener pastures.  However, one thing I refuse to do is to wave the victim flag for the forseeable future.  I have seen USC fans do it for the past few years and it isn't a good look.  It's sad and pathetic.  The crime was committed, the time must be served.  

Circle the wagons and focus on the positive.  Beat the Gators, close out a solid recruiting class, win 10 games next year, beat scUM (rinse repeat).  Go Bucks!!!!!!

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Apples and oranges. I actually agree with the university's decision to "move on" from this, not appeal, try to batten down the hatches going forward. But that does not apply to (non-OSU employee) fans.

Moreover, you might have found the behavior of other fan bases to have made them look bad, from your perspective, but - short of rioting, turning over cars, and burning sofas - when has the non-destructive behavior of fans made their institutions look bad? Throughout the U's heyday 1980s and early 90s, the crowds at the Orange Bowl were notorious for being kinda gangsta. Florida is the last bastion of "jorts." Etc. The behavior of USC fans since the sanctions came down has hurt that institution exactly how?

The idea is for alumni/fans/friends of Ohio State who have different skill sets and/or resources - PR, law, good connections, money, investigative resources, etc. - to quietly but ruthlessly undermine the fraudulent NCAA. You don't even need to know about it until the hammer drops on the NCAA. But I assure you this "campaign," which will have no direct connection to The Ohio State University (as it should not), will also not affect the image of the university in any meaningful way.  

spqr2008's picture

The only risk you run while trying to take down the NCAA is being identified as a Buckeye Fan, being classified as a booster, then the NCAA gets OSU to ban you from the program, meaning you can't go to games or events at all.  However, if you got let's say ~100,000 people involved, it would be a little tough to ban them all.

theDuke's picture

time to win a Nat'l Title ol' fashion style. 12-0. Wonder how this is going to make the BsCS look if we finish next season as the only undefeated team?


theDuke's picture

oh wait, they'll probably just commute the sentence to the following year so they can get some chedda $$$  Big ups


BuckeyeChief's picture

Ha! A PSU buddy of mine agreed it was bogus for next year and not this one, and said it must be so that no one loses money at the "Urban Bowl".

"2014 National with it!!!"

chibuck's picture

I wonder how this will affect Urban's contract. He gets paid more for going to certain bowl games and the B1G Championship game. Maybe they'll still spot him some money since we're banned next year?

JLP36's picture

Gene Smith is STILL taking more than $1million a year from Ohio State.  Is that part of the punishment?  COMPLETE AND TOTAL INCOMPETENCE


3cent's picture

If I am reading things right Ohio State got the bowl ban not for the Tat5 stuff necessarilly, but for the Bobby DiGeronimo stuff. So if that is the case what was the purpose of suspending Posey, Hall, Herron, etc... for those additional games. Weren't those suspensions because of the Bobby G stuff. They should have just not self reported, let those guys play, and we would be in the Rose Bowl this year w/ a bowl ban next year.

JLP36's picture

And notice that those guys are playing in a bowl game this year and last year, but next year -after they are no longer on the team - no one is allowed in a bowl game.  Which network airs the bowl games?


NC_Buckeye's picture

The DiGeronimo stuff was discovered as part of the Tat-5, Tressel-coverup tOSU/NCAA investigation. Would have been very hard to conceal that when the NCAA were more than likely sitting in the room when it was discovered. It came about as a result of looking into Pryor's activities if I'm not mistaken.

Maestro's picture

Actually I think it came up as part of TP's desperation to show the NFL that he would have been ineligible for the entire 2011 season so that he could be eligible for the Supp Draft.

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Maestro's picture

Before the FTM was issued (after TP's throwing the program under the bus for his gain) the NCAA had determined that no further allegations were warranted.

vacuuming sucks

3cent's picture

How powerful is the NCAA really? What if a school or conference said yeah we looked at your "recommendations" NCAA on the bowl ban and the loss of scholarships, but I think we want to stay at 85 scholarships a year,  matter fact we are going up to 90 & we dont feel like sitting out a bowl next year so sorry.

iball's picture

So we don't get a chance to play for a title next year that the ncaa doesn't recognize anyway. Oh well, who needs the ncaa? I'm for one super college football conference operating completely independent of the ncaa leeches.

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Nappy's picture

I think that even if Gene Smith had self imposed the penalties we now face (bowl ban, added scholly losses, extra probation) that the NCAA would've just added to it.  And I think they would've done that just to seem relevant.  The NCAA can't allow itself to seem weak.

I can't say Im surprised with the extra punishments since you can NEVER predict what the NCAA will do, but I feel for those who are suffering for the actions of others.  I just wish the NCAA would use precedents in determining the punishments.

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spqr2008's picture

The worst thing that can happen to a totalitarian regime is for it to lose relevance, and for entities composing its "citizens" to become free or disciplined in any manner.  In light of that, the NCAA absolutely would have had to add to the punishments to declare their relevance as well as assert that they own all property and persons associated with NCAA athletics, not the individuals or their institutions.  However, the silver lining with this kind of assertion is that when the former players win their suit against the NCAA for using their likenesses for profits years down the road, this kind of assertion of "ownership" will hurt the NCAA.

buckeyedude's picture

I feel really, really bad for Brewster and his classmates that had nothing to do with the frickin morons that sold their stuff for tats. It's so wrong. There is no justice, that is for damn sure. Life is not fair, is it? I know, I just went through a divorce.



RBuck's picture

IMPO it's next year's team, especially the upcoming seniors (sans Hall) we should feel sorry for.

Long live the southend.

chibuck's picture

I just keep telling myself it could've been a lot worse (USC-like) to help make myself feel better. That second NOA did us in. The 5 year show cause is a little too much too. Didn't Bruce Pearl only get 3 years?

On the bright side, I guess this will relieve Urban of some pressure in his first year. And if he really over achieves, maybe we can get the AP Championship!


AltaBuck's picture

Why no mention of South Carolina's pending investigation in Mandel's SI article? Hmmm...let me guess SEC!SEC!SEC! Visor boy and the rest will be meeting with the infractions commitee in February.

12 athletes (10 football, 2 Track) had over $55k in improper benefits.  $8k of it coming from the SAMF (Student Athlete Mentoring Foundation). The same group that helped out Sharif Floyd at UF with $2700 (2 game suspension). The compliance department idiot that signed off on the hotel benefit was demoted and not fired.

Seriously, the best defense for an NCAA investigation is acting ignorant and stupid. The SEC has it down to an art form.  Don't disclose anything and act stupid. Funny how Bama and Arkansas were used as precedents in the tOSU investigation.

Also...the NCAA needs to get rid of self imposed sanctions. There is no need for it because the NCAA and CFB in general have an image problem. They are going to tack on additional penalties to save face so WTF have self imposed sanctions.

South Carolina should be hit with at least a FTM, additional scholarship reductions and a 2 year bowl ban. IMHO, based on the USC and tOSU precedents and the fact that their own compliance department approved it when it was obvious to anyone, with a hint of grey matter, that it was a violation.

Just like officiating, everyone wants consistency.  I'm fine with a bowl ban as long as it helps to clean up the game and there is consistency going forward. NCAA needs to get their shit together if they are going to walk the walk. 

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