Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on December 27, 2011 at 6:00a
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Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

Hopefully all of you got that red fire truck you've been wanting all year for Christmas this weekend. For all our Jewish readers out there, hang in there we have one more day left, and a happy holidays to all.

Let's wrap up this slow, yet festive weekend and get right into the thick of things as the Big Ten basketball season draws closer and the Gator Bowl is just around the corner.

BOWLESS BUT NOT USELESS. Last week, Ohio State received its final punishment stemming from several NCAA violations. The most notable result, as everyone and their mother has heard, is a one-year postseason bowl ban effective next year.

Whether or not you think the punishment fits the crime, this is the ruling of the NCAA and OSU must abide by it for next season. Doug Lesmerises of the Cleveland Plain Dealer wrote an article about how the Buckeyes must not play uninspired because of their bowl ban.

Lesmerises says the Buckeyes should look to USC as a role model in terms of how they dealt with their two-year postseason ban. Instead of playing as if their season had no purpose, USC managed to stay competitive, defeating eventual PAC-12 champion Oregon this season and developing one of the nation's elite quarterbacks in Matt Barkley.

I am not drawing comparisons between the circumstances under which both schools were punished because they are very different. What I am saying is that, much like USC, the Buckeyes have great talent, a high-profile coach, and great recruits still coming in. There is still something worth playing hard for.

While Urban Meyer and his players certainly won't enjoy watching the postseason from Columbus next year, there is still not a reason that Ohio State can't still have a great season next year. With no expectations for a bowl game next year, Meyer and his staff can focus on developing a young, inexperienced roster loaded with upside and prepare for a national title run in 2013.

WITHERS LAST STAND. Everett Withers, Ohio State's new co-defensive coordinator under Urban Meyer, participated in his last game as the head coach of the University of North Carolina against Missouri in the Independence Bowl.

Andrew Carter of the Columbus Dispatch wrote and article describing how Withers is ready to move on from a program he cared very deeply about. Carter writes how Withers had always wanted to play football at UNC and was shocked the day he found out he would become their next head coach, amidst the firing of former Tar Heels' coach, Butch Davis.

Much like Ohio State, UNC is coming off a tough season due to NCAA infractions. Withers was in a situation much like Luke Fickell was this past year. He was forced to take over a successful program that seemed to be falling apart under NCAA violations and was expected to pick up where things left off.

Withers rallied his squad to an 7-5 regular season and to the program's third-straight year with a bowl appearance, which was ended with a loss to the Tigers. While his players spoke very highly of him, Carolina chose Larry Fedora to become UNC's next head coach.

The Tar Heels' loss will be the Buckeyes' gain. I believe Withers' experiences this past season will help move the 2012 Ohio State team forward. With Fickell and Withers both having head-coaching experience, I believe it's safe to say OSU will have one of the most experienced staffs in all of college football.

Will Fickell go out with a win?

NOT SO HOPELESS. Danny Hope has signed a contract extension that will keep coaching at Purdue until 2016.

Hope guided the Boilermakers to a 6-6 regular season which earned them a trip to the Little Caesars Bowl. Purdue will face Western Michigan in their bowl game this evening.

The contract extension doesn't exactly bode well for Buckeye fans. Hope has lead his squad to victories over Ohio State in two of the past three seasons, but I do have a feeling that's about to change under Urban Frank Meyer.

MEANINGLESS PREDICTIONS. Brian Bennett and Adam Rittenberg of ESPN both predicted the Buckeyes will win the Gator Bowl in Luke Fickell's last appearance as head coach.

Bennett predicted a 24-23 victory and Rittenberg surmised OSU would win 21-17. Both cite that they believe due to extra practices under Fickell, Braxton Miller and DeVier Posey will have a spectacular showing in their matchup with Florida on Jan. 2.

It is true that Miller and Posey were just a little bit off on some big plays, including a pass at the end of the game which could have won The Game. With the extra practices, both receiver and quarterback should finally be able to get in sync and become a major threat that will aid the already impressive running game lead by Dan Herron.

However, the major difference maker will need to be Ohio State's defense, which played horribly down the stretch of the regular season. Hopefully the extra bowl practices are more beneficial to the defense.

AND SO IT BEGINS. This Wednesday, the #2 ranked basketball Buckeyes will begin the Big Ten regular season playing their first game against Northwestern. Their next game will put them up against a currently undefeated Indiana team that defeated #1 Kentucky earlier this year.

Both teams are off to hot starts with Northwestern at 10-2 and Indiana at 12-0. Hopefully the team has had time to get Jared Sullinger comfortable playing big minutes again because Thad Matta will need him to be healthy for the offense to get out of its recent funk.

LOS LINKS. Game notes for the Gator Bowl... Thank you for not smoking... David Stern getting the Roger Goodell treatment... Fedora for the win...

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Morgan's picture

arent we at home vs the nerds?

Alex's picture

Yes.....

DANNY, NOW GO GET ME 10 MORE CUPS OF COFFEE

Maestro's picture

Damn, showed up to work an hour earlier than I needed to today.  Uggghhh!!!!!

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

i feel ya...45 minutes of downtime for me

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

L-TownNut11's picture

Has there been any news coming from bowl practices?.........who looks , who doesn't?....or does a 6-6 record warrant any interest or are they closed to media?

Alex's picture

RYAN SHAZIER....all you need to know

 

btalbert25's picture

I don't understand for 1 minute why people feel that just because there's a bowl ban the team will play lazy and unispired or be completely lacking passion next season.  The players have more pride than this and Urban Meyer isn't going to let anyone get away with screwing off.  The team will be prepared and will play the best they can.  I don't know if they'll be undefeated or anything like that, but if anything the bowl ban seems like to me it will make them play MORE inspired.  It gives them a purpose and something to rally around. 

USC this year would be a good team to look at.  I'd be even more inclined to hope the players model their season after 93 Auburn.  Bowl ban and TV ban, they still go undefeated, only team in college football to be undefeated that year as well.  I think the team can use the post season ban as a motivator.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Agreed!  That is why I was a bit vexed at one of the articles on this site last week which pretty much threw in the towel on next year.  Personally, I am VERY stoked about next year given the fact that we are entering into an era of Buckeye football that may just be one of the greatest in our history!!!  If the NCAA wants to keep us out of a bowl game - Pppffftttt - who cares!!!  We come out against Ann Arbor Community College and whip the ever living shit out of them by at least 30 points - that will be enough of a bowl game for me.

When the story broke about Tressel and the Tat5, the thought of the next 3 - 5 years of pure hell flashed through my mind and as the scandal dragged on, I saw nothing but gloom and doom ahead.  When all the dust settled and the facts were out - it didn't seem as bad as all the media outlets were hoping.  Then, the news of Urban Meyer hired as our new coach was announced.  Man, did the skies clear IMMEDIATELY!!!  The NCAA came out with their final verdict and the hit wasn't all that bad!  Urban will have an entire year to experiment with the new offense and defense with absolutely no pressure what-so-ever!!! He can use this year as a big 'look what's coming to the Big Ten' display and build his 2013 recruiting class while seasoning those current players.  The future looks incredibly bright and that includes the 2012 season.

Imagine how satisfying it will be going undefeated in a 'down' year and ruining several other team's seasons in the process!!!  The thought of crushing the Ann Arbor Community College and shuting their arrogant fan's yappers is something that makes me smile greatly!!!

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btalbert25's picture

And quite honestly, who cares if they don't get a bowl game?  I have lost interest in bowls completely.  They are pointless.  This 2 team playoff we have now pretty much makes every other bowl irrelevant.  The fact that 6-7 teams make bowls, make them irrelevant.  Ohio State doesn't get to play in a bowl next year?  SFW? I'm going to watch the bowl game next Monday but I sure wouldn't be upset if they were left out of a bowl this year either.  The bowls, even our beloved Rose Bowl are just glorified exhibitions making people a ton of money.  Even the Rose Bowl sold out tradition for the buck, and it's just as irrelevant as every other bowl not named BCS championsip game. 

It's not to say some don't have a special atmosphere about them, to be sure they do.  Just that they are meaningless exhibitions.  Not being able to play in a bowl next year won't impact the passion and love I have Ohio State.  It won't make me less excited about Saturday afternoons in the fall. 

KE's picture

Unfortunately, I agree. I used to look forward to bowl season. I learned to hate USC and UCLA because of their wins over the Bucks in the Rose bowl. But the Fiesta scandal, and the recent revelations about the supposed "charities" that the bowls claim to be, with the directors making absurd salaries for a few months work, really  have turned me off. The bowls have just become another way to exploit the players and schools for the enrichment of the "charities" and networks.

BrewstersMillions's picture

I guess people sell Urban Meyer short if they think OSU won't play hard for him. He is going to demand his coaches "Coach like their hair is on fire" How do you think he will expect his players to play? I really don't think he will let anyone feel sorry for themsleves. The Seniors really only have pride to play for but Williams, Simon, et all don't strike me as the type to take plays off. They seem like the guys who have to compete because that is how they are wired. The soon to be JR\SO\FR all have plenty to play for. Next season won't have the bowl game but I can assure you a Meyer coached team won't lack motivation.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

btalbert25's picture

It blows my mind that people just think the team will play like crap because they have nothing to play for.  They play for 105,000 people in the stands, they play for the name on the front of the jersey, and even more importantly they play for eachother.  I guess every time they lose next year we'll hear it was because they have nothing to play for etc.  They will lose a game or 2 next year probably, but it's more likely to be because of holes on the team like depth at O-line that will get them, not lack of desire. 

 

Maestro's picture

After the Spring and preseason practices I am going to be extremely excited for the new season to kickoff, multiply that by infinity and that is probably what the players will be feeling.  I expect them to play hard every week.

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Big Ten bowl season kicks off today. I wish I didn't have to cheer on our opponents, but given the current system, the Big Ten needs a big bowl season to enhance our future national title hopes. So reluctantly, I will cheer them on. I will even cheer for M*chigan root against Virginia Tech (but I won't be heartbroken if TTUN loses).

Boiler up today at 4:30.

Maestro's picture

Western Michigan is the better team on paper and they are playing pretty close to home.  However, games aren't played on paper I am told.  In this case it will be played on monofilament polyethylene blend fibers tufted into a polypropylene backing and filled with silica sand and cryogenic rubber.

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Why do you think Western Mich is better on paper? Their defense is 100th in the country, and 12th (out of 13) in the MAC. They haven't beaten a team with a winning record. I know Purdue hasn't beaten a team with a winning record either, but I'll take Purdue's best wins (6-6 Ohio State, 6-6 Illinois) over Western Mich's best win (6-6 Ball State). They gave Penn State quite a game in Happy Valley, and their offense was arguably better against Penn State's than Alabama's was (Purdue averaged 5.21 yards per play against Penn State, versus Alabama's 4.99 yards per play. Overall, Purdue had 344 yards on 63 plays and Alabama had 359 on 72 plays).

On paper, Purdue SHOULD win by two scores. But, this is Purdue. So you never know.

Maestro's picture

See : Statistical Analysis of Bowl Teams/Games in the blog section (shameless self plug).

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

F@#$ Ann Arbor Community College and GO HOKIES!!!!

Other than that - I am pulling for the Big Ten teams to win!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

I'm not sure I buy into that really.  B1G has had some pretty horrible bowl seasons in the last 5 or 6 years and basically every year they have had a team with a shot to make the BCS title game.  Wisconsin was 2 extremely lucky pass plays away from being there this year following a horrible bowl season last year.

If a B1G team makes it through undefeated, barring 2 or 3 other teams being undefeated as well, the B1G team is going to make it to the title game.  This year proves that quality of conference doesn't ensure making the title game.  If it were the case, Oklahoma State would've been a lock.

I guess it's just a long, round about way of me saying there's no way in hell I want to see Michigan winning their bowl game.  I'm not rooting for Va Tech to lose or Michigan to win.  I'm pulling for Michigan getting blasted by 40.  If that's counterproductive to the B1G so be it.  I hate their team, their coach, and their fans, and I don't want any of them chomping cereal, dumping a gravy bucket on their coach, or anything else.  I especially hate them after all the recent BS they've been spewing about Ohio State's sanctions and Urban's recruiting.

BuckeyeSki's picture

I'm with BT on this. Let the conference pride thing stay in the south. Well, I'll pull for all the B1G teams to win except for scUM and State Penn. Hope those two teams get embarrassed on national tv, regardless of how it looks for the conference.

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Brutus's picture

Ditto.  I don't care much about conference allegiance this year, mostly because OSU is down so what do I care if the rest of the conference is strong.  I'll be rooting strongly against scUM and Wisconsin for two reasons: 1) scUM is scUM and 2) Bielma.  I don't have any issues with any other B1G teams and will be pulling for them to win.  Still not decided how I feel about PSU.  The fanbase has been pretty disgusting about this whole scandal.  They sound exactly like we did about Tatgate except their situation involves what I believe to be the most horrible crime imagineable yet they are carrying on as though this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.  But the team and the players did nothing to deserve what has happened this season.  Those most responsible have nothing to do with the program anymore so the players shouldn't suffer.  If they win, good for the players.  If they lose, not going to care.

btalbert25's picture

It's not to say there aren't conference teams I'd like to see win.   I'm with ski in that I don't want to see Michigan or Penn State win, but I typically don't ever want to see either team win.  If Purdue beats Western Michigan today I just don't see it making a darn bit of difference to a B1G's championship hopes.  What a B1G team needs to do is win in the regular season, and not lose crapper games. 

Doc's picture

I totally agree BT.  Meatchicken will never be rooted for by me.  Their fan base is a bunch of classless asshats.  Their coach is a Charlie Cheeseburger wanna be and their team is a bunch of prima donna pussies.  I hope Detard has his dred locks shoved up his ass and his face ground into the turf.  With that said, I still think they will win:(

"Say my name."

Bucksnut13's picture

Holy buckeye, that was an epic post. It just pumped me up. I think ill go punch a wolverine now.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog

joel121270's picture

Sorry, I love the B1G but no way in hell I root for scUM. This is not a personal attack on anyone but I don't get how some Buckeye fans root for scUM in bowl game just because they are from the B1G. Personally, I would to see them drop a big fat turd in their bowl game and listen to Brady CHoke come up with excuses as to why they lost.

 

Just sayn...no disrespect to fellow Buckeye fans who feel the need to root for all B1G teams.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

I can't imagine a team coached by Urban Meyer to play uninspired football next year because of a one-year bowl ban. Meyer and his staff will not allow that to happen, period. End of argument.

BTwrestle04's picture

Not only what some of the above have said about the play next year, perhaps we will play better because we can afford to take chances and see what our athletes really have. I'm thinking more in trerms of a Tressel-coached team when I say this, however. But I feel like we left a lot on the table as to what our teams were capabale of because we often won games where we didn't have the luxury of seeing what the team was really made of because of the nature of close games under Tressel. I feel like perhaps he held back because one mistake could mean the difference between getting to the National Championship and not getting there. My opinion here: set the mother effin dogs loose. Get people scared for next year of what this team is capable of doing. If we take some risks and lose a game because of it, so what. This is more directed towards setting Braxton on a rampage.

bassplayer7770's picture

Yeah, I don't expect an undefeated season anyway, so a loss won't be a huge deal.  With that said, I don't see Urban letting up on anybody.  He sure as he!! didn't let up against us in early 2007 even though I would have appreciated it...

BTwrestle04's picture

Yep, like I said, this was more in mind of a Tressel-coached team and what I have seen in the past. I was just more voicing my hopes for next year, and I believe that Urban will be relentless.

Doc's picture

I've wondered for years why we couldn't have a kick butt offense to go along with our lockdown defense.  It seems Urban wants both.  If we can have a D that allows 10 points a game and an offense that averages 40+ you don't lose many games, if any.

Who on here would give us a chance against LSU even with Tressel and Pryor?  I wouldn't.

"Say my name."

BTwrestle04's picture

I can't say for certain with how poorly our defense played this season. We seemed to never have that bad of a defense when Tressel was at the helm for one reason or another. If our defense performed as good as last years squad, I would say we would be in the game. (Biased opinion of course). Their offense is really underwhelming. Their defense, however, is NASTY.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I hate to draw on the good ole days because they are irrelevant to what is going on today - however, under Woody, most teams that came into the Shoe were already intimidated, scared, and mentally defeated just because of the beatings Woody use to inflict on teams!  I feel those days are coming back given the way Urban coached in his previous jobs! 

I remember one of the SEC teams grousing because Urban was throwing for TDs in the last remaining minutes of a game he had thoroughly in hand.  His comment was something on the line of its not my job or my team's job to stop themselves!  That kind of killer mentality towards our opponent + the talent level of the Buckeyes + the recruiting power of this university and Urban is exciting to think about!  I had enough freakin heart attacks during the Tressel era to last me for quite some time!!!  I have no problem getting back to the day when we have crushed the enemy by half time and we can start rotating in some 2nd and 3rd stringers!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

BTwrestle04's picture

The Tressel era of football gave me gray hairs at the young age of 25. I have pics to prove it. 

Bucksnut13's picture

yes totally agree. I am in heaven just thinking about how we will pound teams and not let them comeback like we did when we had tress. Some ppl are sour grapes when they say that they did not like Tressel after he left (well not dislike him, but did not praise and worship him) I on the other hand have truly disliked the way that we played football under Tressel, besides the 06 season, but I liked Tressel because he won. I cant wait for next year when we can see how a real offense is run.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog

Buckeye06's picture

I root for Michigan twice a year; against ND and in their Bowl game.  I have no shame in doing it; I'm a Big X supporter.  Winning bowl games can bring better coaches and recruits to the midwest, and can end the SEC superiority thing going on now.

 

bassplayer7770's picture

If Michigan isn't playing an SEC team, can we root against them?  ;-p

M Man's picture

This is interesting.  I don't speak for any particular group, and I have not done any polling or surveys; but most of my friends, and most Michigan fans whom I know, truly root for every B1G team in bowl games, almost without exception.

This year, I suppose that there are an awful lot of hard feelings toward Michigan State.  It is a filthy team led by a filthy DC on defense, and we had an ugly affair with them in E. Lansing in October.  Those are very hard feelings that are tough to let go of.  But the overwhelming feeling toward MSU is, "Are we supposed to care?"  Not, "Please lose."

With OSU, it is even more moderated.  Like a different franchise of the same corporation.  I can't ever remember an occasion, certainly not a bowl game, where I was rooting for OSU to lose just for the hell of it.  No doubt; there are some Michigan fans who feel that way.  And an OSU-losing score announced in the Big House would raise a loud cheer on a football Saturday.  But when the season's done and it is bowl-time, I virtually always root for the Conference.

bassplayer7770's picture

Normally, I'm also a B1G supporter in bowl games.  This year, however, I've seen way too many fans of other teams taking constant cheap shots at tOSU because of the Tat 5, etc.  One of the UM fans in particular posted some of the most classless comments I think I've ever read...

I'm having a hard time rooting for UM at the moment.

Doc's picture

"We don't give a damn for the whole state of michigan, cause we're from O-HI-O!"

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joel121270's picture

We're from O-HI-O, O-H..........

BTwrestle04's picture

Any other year, I probably would. I just can't believe the amount of trash I heard out of scUM fans after 1 win in 8 years. Not to mention the friends of mine who are scUM fans were actually cheering that Ohio State got a bowl ban. F*$% 'em, with all due respect to you, M Man.

bassplayer7770's picture

No kidding.  I had to remind one UM fan that their longest win streak came in 1901-1909, and the largest win was in 1902. 

Uh...what's your point?

joel121270's picture

Sorry, I just can't bring myself to rooting for you guys. It's not a personal thing at all, I just don't like UM (being respectful and not putting the sc). I don't dislike the fans but I do want to see them lose every time they go out unless it has a benefit for TOSU of course then I want them to win. Otherwise, I just can't do it.

And the way Bielema is acting with UW they are starting to be a close second.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Since we can't win a bowl next year, I'd rather go 12-0 and beat up a conference that won 8+ bowls the previous year (including two BCS bowls) than a mediocre conference like it has been.

I'm sorry guys. Call me a fake buckeye if you'd like. I'm not going to cry if Michigan loses. I frankly won't care. But I'd rather them beat VaTech, beat Alabama next year, and come into the Horseshoe ranked #1 at 11-0 so we can spoil their season like they did to us so many times in the 70s and 90s.

I'm not gonna sit here and claim faux outrage over everything Michigan. Sure, I want to beat them every year. But I want to beat a GOOD Michigan team, not a 3-9 Michigan team. It makes the Buckeyes look better, and it makes Michigan fans hurt even more.

bassplayer7770's picture

You make a good point that I agree with.  Having a strong conference makes our Wins look that much better.

btalbert25's picture

I just think the bowl results are over rated.  Teams play 3-6 weeks after their season ends so they come out rusty sometimes, all the parties and festivities tug at the kids and distract from the game.  Then there's the whole, going 6-6 and playing in a crapper bowl when you are used to playing in BCS games the last half decade or so.  I don't know.  I just don't think they are a great measure of how good or bad a given conference is.  Even the talking heads on ESPN kind of down play their importance.  

I know I sound pretty anti-bowl, these are just my opinions I'm definitely not attacking anyone for how they feel, I think way too much is put into the bowls, when really they are just exibitions that don't really matter.  Plus, if the teams go 8-0 in bowls this year it really doesn't say anything about the quality of the conference next year.  Now, if Ohio State Crushed the B1G next year and then all the B1G destroyed all their bowl opponents then I suspect it would reflect positively on Ohio State's season.  This year's results, though, are irrelevant to next season's strength of schedule. 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

M-Man - you must know a pocket of fans that differ vastly from the hordes of posters that have flooded the boards all over the internet this year.  For the last few years, I'll admit that I was actually starting to feel a bit of empathy for the plight your program was going through - but after the amount of shear hateful and vitriolic comments we've had to deal with since the onset of Tattoo/Tressel gate and the entire season - wow, that went away in a hurry.

I certainly welcome everybody aboard, especially those that are willing to banter back and forth but given the amount of shit thrown our way from up north - we are a bit hostile (more than usual). 

GO HOKIES!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

NKY is a very strange college football landscape.  You have diehard UK fans who will cheer for anything big blue, UK fans who only cheer for UK in basketball and anyone SEC in football, Notre Dame fans as we have a ton of catholic in the area, and Michigan fans.  Not sure where they came from or why there are here, but there are a significant amount of them here.  So, that being said from the time were kids are old enough to argue about their favorite teams, for me about 1992 or so until Tressel took over at Ohio State, those fans made my life a living hell.   Every day at school during football season I'd hear how they were going to beat Ohio State again, and Ohio State stinks, go blue blah blah blah.  I heard it all the time.  What could I say or do to defend my team?  Absolutely nothing because they continued to lay egg after egg every year.  So, finally Tressel came along and the shoe was on the other foot. The first 2 years it was just a fluke.  Michigan will be back, and every year Tressel spanked that ass I kept hearing ridiculous excuse after ridiculour excuse.  I did however, enjoy Ohio State's success with much more class than the Michigan folks did.  I had a quiet arrogance.  We'd be debating football and I'd talk about the game on the schedule that worried me.  They would say what about "The Game"  I'd say oh well I guess an upset is always possible, then go on.  Not YOU SUCK, Go buckeyes blah blah blah that I would get. 

SO with my story not told, let me just say this is EXACTLY why I never want Michigan to win EVER.  App State was a terrific day for me. Listening to the weasil fans try to defend their team was awesome.  They'd say why aren't you saying anything, I said oh App State did all the talking, I couldn't possibly add on to what they already did.  

Anyway, that is what fuels my hate for Michigan.  I love knowing that all those fools get pissed every time they lose and I can just sit back and laugh.  

M Man's picture

As I said, I was careful to disclaim any "representation."  I might be completely non-representative.

Maybe Jason and Brian Cook could run parallel polls, asking the two fanbases to declare whether they would root for all B1G teams, or all teams except for TSATB [That School Across The Border].  It might prove me all wrong, and that the two groups really do just despise each other. 

One thing about the OSU/NCAA investigation, differing from the Michigan/NCAA investigation; it served (wrongly) as an 'excuse' for many Michigan fans to say, "See?  That explains everything!  They won because they were cheating!"  It is a thoroughly baseless and illegitimate assertion, of course.  Tatgate had nothing to do with the OSU win streak over Michigan in the 'aughts.  (For the most part, the OSU win streak also had very little to do with Rich Rodriguez, when it comes right down to it.)  So for too many Michigan fans, the Tatgate investigation was important, in the way that the refs are only important when you lose.  Nobody talks about the refs when they are celebrating wins.

For OSU, the Michigan/NCAA invesigation results meant mostly nothing.  You were beating us, investigation or not.  The smartest OSU fans knew that the Michigan/NCAA investigation just plain weird, as Tressel himself observed.

Winning is everything to the fans, and narratives get all twisted around winnning.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

We're going to have to toss you outta here if you continue to talk in a logical manner in which you are!   We're not use to it and it makes our skin crawl a bit. 

Anyway - welcome to the board because if you can stomach it - than so can I!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

I guess I just don't understand the point in cheering for a conference.  I don't bowl games impact recruiting all that much.  I don't think kids think I'll go to Purdue because the Big 10 won 6 bowl games this year.  The coach, the facilities, the atmosphere on gameday, and the ability of a program to churn out NFL prospects drive recruiting. 

I love one team and like to see them win.  There are other teams in the conference that I like.  I've always liked Iowa, Northwestern and yes Wisconsin.  I typically like to see them win.  I've never liked PSU or Michigan so despite who or where they are playing I generally just don't care to see them win.  

Names like Ohio State and Michigan don't need the rest of the B1G to be good.  If they go undefeated, they pretty much would find themselves in the national championship game.  I take no pride in seeing Minnesota win a bowl game against a crap opponent from another conference.  I won't be excited for the B1G if Purdue wins a bowl game against a MAC foe.  

If others do so that's fine and certainly their right.  I just fail to see how the B1G having a great bowl season really impacts Ohio State at all. 

Maestro's picture

It's just a perception thing, that is fed into by the constant "confrocentrism" attitude in the South IMHO.  With the system the way that it is people connect the dots between a team's worth based on their conference's bowl record.  Right or wrong as it may be.

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Well said Maestro.

I don't WANT to root for our conference rivals. I kind of have to because of the way the system is.

That being said, you'll never hear me chanting "Big Ten football" or anything of that nature like the SEC fans constantly chanting "SEC!". It's actually funnier to do a mock "SEC" chant a la after the Arkansas game. That was funny.

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That was one of my favorite parts about the Sugar Bowl last year. The mock SEC chants started and suddenly no one was calling those wooooo pigs anymore.  Souie.

I typically want the B1G to win all their bowl games, even scUM.  I prefer to see them all win their regular season out of conference games too.  I'm not especially sad if they lose but I prefer the B1G to be perceieved as strong as possible.

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wasn't it posted on this site that it's sec 13 wins vs big ten  12 wins in the last number of years?    how can the sec good ol boys respond to that?   lets get as many big ten wins but have scum lose also.  if penn state wins that's ok because the players had nothing to do with what happened. the fans/cult followers need to quit worshipping david caresh aka paterno and get out the of the central pa wilderness and come to the big city to realize  what bad things have happened out there in the country.  i actually enjoy watching scum's games to see how they are doing. but once they are winning/scoring td's and i have to hear that gay/pompous/nauseating fight song, my thumb hits the clicker faster than flounder hoke runs to the golden arches. 

RBuck's picture

Speaking of team vs conference; saw a few posts in the national media on the stories on the Mizzou/NC game. There were actually Mizzou fans typing "S-E-C." Pathetic.

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They did the same thing against Kansas in their final regular season game. 

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They're going to be in the SEC East, right? So basically they're going to be competing with Georgia and South Carolina for the right to be clobbered by the SEC West champ and the right to play in the Outback bowl every year, where they will lose to the Big Ten as usual. Mizzou is 1-3 against current Big Ten teams in bowls... their only win was against jNW in the 2008 Alamo Bowl in OT... and last year they were a heavy favorite against a mediocre Iowa team until Marcus Coker ran all over them (/power football'd) (/cue Big Ten football chant)(/not really)(/but its true).

RBuck's picture

Yeah, but they're in the S-E-C?

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Maestro's picture

Yep, the East.  Mizzou-Kentucky will be a huge rivalry game..............pffftttt.

Actually, Missouri borders 8 states so their fans feel justified being in any number of conferences.  Arkansas is the most natural rival, but they won't play annually.  Tenn and Kentucky are border states in the East though.  I am sure you feel highly educated now.

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On a very bright note - the OL coach at Wisconsin took a job at Pitt.

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It might help when Urban hires an O Line coach.

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I don't understand why conference "strength" has a bowl performance component in it at all.  They are meaningless exhibitions played mostly in SEC territory to give people that live under 12 feet of snow somewhere warm to visit for a few days.  The national championship was awarded before the bowls as recently as ~45 years ago.

I don't have a rah-rah Big Ten mindset going into the bowl games.  But because the conference simply isn't winning big nonconference games during the regular season, many of which are against Notre Dame alone, has lost 2/3 of the BCS games they've played, and simply don't field competitive teams after January 1st, it's getting to be a chronic problem in terms of entertainment value.

I want the Big Ten to do well simply because I'm sick of Ohio State getting dinged with the whole "they haven't beaten anyone" argument, which is something that is hard to argue.  But I also hate those other teams for both winning and losing these games.

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You may not understand it, but that doesn't mean the perception doesn't exist that bowl games mean a lot.  They do to a lot of people.  Granted most of those people don't have a real strong grasp on college football history, but that doesn't stop a lot of them from spouting off.

Ohio State has a very mediocre bowl record.  When you look at who they have played and where they have played them it starts to make sense why winning roughly half of those games is an accomplishment.  When you simply look at the record and choose to believe that "Ohio State sucks" you use the numbers blindly as "evidence".

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Do you think that perception would change though if the Big 10 or Ohio State had a sterling bowl record?  I think they'd point to other factors and say well they played a crappy schedule to get them there and they only needed to really prepare to beat one great team. Wasn't that kind of the knock on Nebraska for years?  They played a crap schedule, blasted everyone by 40 or 50 points then got a bowl game and won?  

You may go undefeated and win a bowl game but not beat an SEC team in that bowl game so it's not seen as a great win.  Fans from other conferences, no matter what our team or the B1G as a whole does, will always perceive the teams and conferences as inferior.  It happens all the time, even with the SEC now.  They keep winning so it has to be for some reason other than the teams being good.  It's the media bias, it's oversigning, it's that the schools have lackluster standards and will take anyone, the list goes on and on.  When we can't beat them in football we talk about how bad the institutions are in general.  Then people just say, well they aren't that good, it's all the hype.  

When the Big 12 was winning games and had several great teams everyone said they weren't that great it was just that no one in the Big 12 plays D.  We could have 3 teams in the top 10 and other conferences would comeup with justifications for why the Big 10 is inferior much like we do about the SEC and Big 12 now.  Well they may be good but their practices are beneath the Big 10 standards.  It gives me a headache.  Ohio State could win every game all the time and people would find a reason to justify why they weren't really that good.  It's the irrational way fans look at the world.  Much like those who are extremely passionate about politics and religion.  It doesn't matter what evidence you can provide to the contrary if they believe it and they have a strong faith a certain way, then you are just wrong and they are just right!

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To be fair, the Big 12 really doesn't play defense

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onetwentyeight's picture

I refuse to cheer for the other B1G teams out of pure, manufactured "conference pride" or some type of "perception" boosting potential. 

 

Just because the SEC does it, doesn't mean we have to follow suit. I hate (HATEEEE) TSUN, Wisky, and PSU. I hate (not as strongly) purDONT, nerds, Illini, and everyone else in the conference. These are the little has-been hanger-ons who have been 1.) riding our coattails the entire past decade and 2.) being the first to pile on anytime crap happens to us news-wise. 

 

SCREW THEM, SCREW THE B1G, and I hope we go all GENERAL SHERMAN on them for the next 25 years. 

 

 

btalbert25's picture

I'm also not concerned about the conference perception.  Even when the B1G was really good, other conference fans say yeah but in the SEC those teams wouldn't be so good, in the Big 12 those squads in the B1G would struggle etc.  It doesn't matter how strong any given conference is, fans of big programs in other conferences are going to slight them.  People do it all the time with the SEC right now.  Back in the mid 90's when Ohio State was really good but shitting the bed in bowl games and games against Michigan I had a guy in his 40's or 50's who was a Tennsee fan arguing me when I was 15 that Big 10 schools just didn't have the speed that southern teams had.  Didn't matter how good some of the Wisconsin, Michigan, and Buckeye squads in that era were, all that mattered was SOUTHERN SPEED lol.  

 

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SOUTHERN SPEED?

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btalbert25's picture

lol there ya go

 

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LOL @ indiana hahahahah 

Bucksfan's picture

True.  And I also heard a story where someone asked Woody about the SEC teams and their perceived "quality," and Woody responded something to the effect of those teams being too small to compete with teams you find in the Big Ten.  So, it just depends on your point of view, what is trendy at the time.

The speed on the SEC defensive lines is no myth, though.  Miami became incredible for the same reason. But, you can beat SEC teams with big, bull-rushing defensive linemen...just look at Michigan's 20-6 record vs. the SEC (yes, many are against Vandy, but a W is a W), or any of the Big Ten's wins this decade for that matter, like our win against Arkansas.

And you CAN handle defensive line speed.  Otherwise, no SEC team would ever score a point against one another.  SEC teams benefit from a lot of offensive creativity of their top-of-the-line coaching staffs.  Money buys happiness, and they definitely shell it out.

The Big Ten has been behind the SEC in adapting to just how big college football is, and how much it costs to keep up with the Jones's.

Doc's picture

Woody was just touting the company line.  Plus the fact he coached the best team in the B1G, slighting the B1G would be a slight on the Buckeyes.  If he would have done that he would have had to slug himself.

I think the hiring of Urban Meyer will give us the "X" factor that the sec teams use.  Will the rest of the B1G follow suit or will they be run over like so much road kill.  I'm betting on the latter.

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btalbert25's picture

Bucksfan, in my opinion you just hit the nail on the head.  The biggest difference is coaching in my opinion.  Even mid level SEC teams shell out a ton of money to get good coaching staffs.  The B1G schools have more money than any other conference.  They can shell the cash out to afford the same kind of staffs, but they don't do it.  Granted the athletic departments can carry more programs with this revenue and all that jazz, but if they open up the wallet and attract quality staffs, they are going to play better football in the B1G.  

Michigan and Ohio State have kind of thrown down the Gauntlet here for the rest of the conference.  Do they all want to take the next step up or are they going to allow it to be the Big 2 and little 10 or are they going to improve?  My bet is they improve.  Wisconsin has made strides, Michigan State is coming into it's own.  Penn State may make a big hire, but it's going to be a while for them to improve with all the scandal around the program.  

Anyway, I feel like if the conference gets it's collective butt in gear and makes some good coaching hires, that alone will bring the recruits to B1G schools and improve the teams.  We've seen what happens when you combine an elite coach with an elite program.  Smaller level successes would occur if you combined a great coaching staff with a good program.  

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Exactly!  It's gotten way too conservative in the B1G, relying on "doing things the way we've always done them."  Hell, you can't get more reserved/old-school than Jim Tressel - I mean, he was the face of the conference the past 10 years.  The problem with thinking that way is that we used to be a conference of innovation!  Woody's 3-yards, Michigan was sort of a hot-bed for what we now call pro-style, Tiller's high-flying offense was a change of pace, hell even Indiana got themselves some good players now and again in the 80's and 90's.

Having Jim Delany up there in front of the press touting how competitive we've been against the SEC is misleading at best.  The SEC routinely beats the pants off their BCS calibur non-conference competition during the regular season, and they routinely finish with winning records in the bowls.  Their streak of national championships is as unparalleled as it is infuriating.  

It's not OK to say the B1G is competitive with them.  It's just not.  Not yet.

William's picture

I agree with what you and Btalbert are saying, but I'd like to point out that over the past decade the SEC is only 13-12 against the B1G in bowl games. I don't think there is a talent gap when it comes to players between many of the upper tier teams in the B1G and SEC, but rather a huge coaching gap.

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William, the B1G-SEC bowl record is what it is, that's true.  In fact, it's still pretty even over the last 15 years if you want to go back even farther.  But you're comparing mostly mid-tier matchups with those numbers.  So, the bowl record could be interpreted as the middle teams being similar, at least for one day in early January.  But of course, last year's B1G-SEC bowls were a complete disaster.  None of those teams looked like they should be on the same field.

And yeah, we could look back a few years and see that Northwestern probably could have beaten Auburn in that Outback bowl, Auburn then went on to be the national champ the next year.  That same year, Penn State beat LSU, who was in between national title runs.  But, I think the difference here is that Auburn, LSU, Alabama, and Florida are amassing talent and coaching to make a run at a NATIONAL TITLE every 3-4 years, not just appear in any ol' BCS game.  Northwestern, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan State, (hell, throw in Iowa and Nebraska) even in their "good" years, never reach that level of football.  It's not even close.  They are in a constant state of mediocrity.  And you're right - it has to be coaching (or lack of cheating).

If you can't beat them, at least give yourself a chance - start hiring their people away.

onetwentyeight's picture

^ THIS.

 

It's adapt or die people and if the rest of the B1G is content to stay in 1973-land we can't get dragged down. 

 

For all the accolades as a person and leader that Tressel deserved rightfully, ... go take a look at the "Worst Buckeye Memory" thread sometime .. and notice how many of them are from the post 2006-era of Tressel's tenure. The game was in the process of passing him by before all this other crap happened ... and it's a blessing in disguise we get to move on to the 21st century and compete against those SEC teams on a level playing field (coaching-wise at least, not oversigning) 

Doc's picture

I agree with you BT.  I just don't see Meatchicken really throwing down the gauntlet.  Hoke is a barely above .500 MAC coach.  Dantonio is a Tressel disciple.  State Penn is a nuclear crater.  Purdue just extended Hope's contract.  Indiana sucks.  Nebraska was overhyped coming in.  Bucky has lost two offensive coaches.  Minny is years behind the curve.  Illi is starting over.  The Nerds have stagnated at mediocre.  Iowa is just above the Nerds.  I see the powers that be in the B1G being old fuddy duddies and not changing BECAUSE they are making shit pots full of money.  (My very sad example is Mike Brown and the Bungles.)

It seems they are happy with Ohio State being the top dog and the face of the conference.  Fine by me.  Just don't get all pissy when Urbz asks for all of your lunch money in the coming years. 

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btalbert25's picture

With Michigan it's not so much Hoke as it is going out and addressing their defensive problems by paying Mattison so much money.  Quite honestly I would be much more terrified of Michigan with Rich Rod and a defense than I am Hoke.  None the less I think they'll be improved the next couple of years.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Agreed - if you look at Flounder Hoke's overall coaching record - it is amazingly average.  It is going to be very interesting to watch Rich Rod down in Tucson when he is not constrained with how you have to do it the Ann Arbor Community College way.

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Doc's picture

I personally hope Rich Rod does well in Tucson. He has the ability. More importantly, it will piss off Meatchicken fans. Flounder will have success at the AACC, it will be interesting to see what happens with their offense once Detard runs out of eligibility. Their defense will be fine as long as Mattison(sp?) sticks around.

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M Man's picture

To see Rodriguez build a great team in Tucson will definitely piss off some Michigan folks.  And just about all of the Detroit sportwriters. 

Others of us will be thrilled if it happens.  Especially if Jeff Casteel joins Rodriguez and builds the kind of defenses that he had for most of the time in Morgantown, and proving the wisdom of the Rodriguez insiders as noted in Three and Out.

Denard Robinson's departure will be followed by Devin Gardner '13-'14, and then by the five-star Shane Morris, '14-?.  Which is about as perfect a segue' from "Spread option" to "West Coast" as you could imagine. 

Yes, you spelled Mattison correctly.  Things seem to be running smoothly, Michigan learned a valuable lesson about paying assistants/coordinators, and while I don't know if Brady Hoke is a genius or a buffoon as a coach (he's neither, I am willing to bet) he seems very well suited to being the likable general manager of a big football program.

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Don't count your eggs before they hatch. Tate Forcier, anyone?

onetwentyeight's picture

Brady Hoke seems to me like a Poor Man's version of Tressel. Both came from small-time lower tier programs, both seem more suited to the whole "CEO" role where you recruit better talent by virtue of just being (Osu or Mich) a big time program, trot it out there and win on talent alone + minimizing mistakes. It's a great formula but when matched up against other elite competition you often come across as woefully unprepared and outcoached. 

What's interesting to me is how Hoke has been Tressel-like in resurrecting Mich this season and how he does all the "small" things right, tries to coach a conservative (from what i've seen), no-mistakes style of football that will guarantee you wins against teams you're supposed to beat. But look at what happened to Mich when they faced teams like MSU's or ours that you cant just button up and beat by running your same basic bread and butter plays (for Tressel, the dearly departed Dave. for Hoke, some type of NARD dawg draw). 

 

I may be oversimplifying things but it seems to me that Hoke isn't the terrible coach most of us here want to think he is but instead is a very good but LIMITED coach, ala Tressel. 

 

My 2 cents.

BTwrestle04's picture

Don't ever compare Brady Hoke to Jim Tressel. Not even in the same league. Let Hoke win/share a league title 6 years in a row, make it to 3 NC games in his 10 year tenure (30% of the time), and consistently compete on a national level (save 2006). Then MAYBE you can even put the two in the same sentence.

onetwentyeight's picture

"Poor Man's" JT. 

I admit it was a tenous comparison, but I just felt like there was a point to be made somewhere. 

And it was probably badly made lol. 

 

Maybe more like a destitute, bankrupt man's JT... 

Doc's picture

128 I get your analogy.  I hope you are correct.  If you are we will be the team they lose to consistently;)  Tressel was able to run roughshod over the B1G because of the talent gap, and the ability to minimize mistakes.  Flounder doesn't look the part of a big time college coach.  I think he will be exposed in a year or two.  This year Meatchicken wasn't expected to be anything great.  They caught some teams by surprise.  The Notre Lame game was exposing an over-rated ND team and the completion of 4 jump balls for TD's.  Nebraska isn't top tier this year.  TSUN had 8 home games, plus the fact they didn't play Wisky or PSU.  The two good road games they had they lost.  Granted Tress's first year wasn't 10-2.  I guess we'll see what next year brings.

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You can't read Three and Out and not root for the guy, he certainly was dealt a bad hand time after time at UM.

He's been successful everywhere he's been except up north, and I hope he will be again in Arizona.

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Poison nuts's picture

Try living in Florida and being a Buckeye! Surrounded by people expounding on the benefits of "SEC Speed", how we stole the 02-03 NC game, and how the B1G as a whole is completely inferior. Also - most of these morons will laugh in your face over the 06-07 game against UF. So yes, I am a B1G man through and through and will root for all the B1G bowl game teams this year. Including UM! I like someone who posted earlier, hope UM comes in undefeated next year & every year, so that we can then kick the ever loving Jesus out of them & it will mean something! Both teams being good is what makes it THE rivalry that it is...

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Scott's picture

+1 for broad alliances. I root for Michigan all but one week a year. The same goes for the rest of the Big Ten.

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M Man's picture

Not sure that I like your tone; talking about kicking the ever-loving Jesus out of Michigan?

Poison nuts's picture

I have read what you said, looked at your picture and rethought my stance M Man...I would like my Buckeyes to kick the ever loving Snot out of UM on a yearly basis. I'll leave Jesus out of it for now...but I will root for your disgusting team the rest of the year. I have to. My wife's a UM grad...

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onetwentyeight's picture

That makes some sense but ... when you think of it logically the next step is to tie our fortunes with those of the buffons in AA, W. Laffy, HAPPY VALLEY (ohgod), etc. 

Conference solidarity in the face of SEC dick-ishness seems attractive at first (Yea! Go you other plodding slow corn fed team!) but ... look who we would be yoking ourselves with? I dont want to be in the same boat as any of these scrub middle-tier loser B1G programs. They've been PIGGYBACKING off our success and riding the coattails of OSU the past decade and it's only going to get worse from here on out. Other than us, who in the B1G has been nat'lly revelant this past decade, and who will be nationally relevant in the coming decade? (Could make a case for UM eventually coming back, which I can buy, but thats IT). Everyone else is a friggin JOKE.

Imagine what the B1G would be if OSU doesn't exist the past 10 years. Are we even the ACC? 

Wisky's been making noise the last few seasons b/c they feel like its cool to beat up homeless people (aka Indiana), but anytime they face anybody who can fight back they get punched in the face and go home crying (see: that TCU little sisters of the poor game, which was GLORIOUS, and the Double hail marys this yr). 

PSU is dead.

Nebraska can't get beyond the "iowa" level of mediocrity and everyone else in the Conference (nerds, UIUC, purdont, indiana, minny) could not even win the MAC. 

And the sad thing is, certain things like demographics and how national recruiting has become now, ensures that future recruits will have NO reason to go to most of the B1G schools (not named OSU or UM). What 5-star recruit from Iowa or Minnesota will decide, hey - I'm going to go to a school that hasn't won anything in my lifetime, in the middle of a frozen tundra, so that I can wear ugly uniforms and meet ugly chicks? (note: not saying this is true or what I believe, just trying to get at how kids will perceive B1G schools now and in the future). 

If you're that kid, you're going somewhere warm with either beaches, flashy uniforms, or  RECENT success.

 

The B1G is a sinking ship and I refuse to tie our fortunes to it long term. OSU is a national brand and we will ALWAYS be relevant nationally because we can recruit nationally (and because ohio is where football began and it's our birthright and we'll always produce more talent per capita than just about anywhere else). I say we leave these other suckers behind in the past and let them wallow in their perpetual mediocrity. 

No B1G conference solidarity for me. 

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I'm going to continue my conference alligence in the face of SEC dickishness....

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

It's not "Big Ten solidarity". It's "I want Ohio State to beat up on good teams next year".

Let's say, the Big Ten somehow goes 10-0 or 9-1 in their bowl games this year. Let's say the Big Ten carries that success over to next year, and the conference goes something like 44-4 in out of conference games, with M*chigan beating Alabama as the premeir OOC win for the B1G. If Ohio State were to go 12-0 next year, everyone would know they're the best team in America, and the BCS title game would hold an asterisk in everyone's mind. Hell, the AP might even vote them #1.

btalbert25's picture

I still don't see how bowl performance this year has any bearing on next year's conference slate at all.  It's a new year, a new schedule, with new faces on all the teams.  If the B1G went 44-4 in non conference play next year and went 10-0 in bowls, then yes, it's impressive that Ohio State would go undefeated.  But if the big 10 goes 10-0 in bowls this year and sucks next year, no one will give a damn what the 2011 bowl results were.

How ridiculous is it that the B1G has 10 teams in bowls this season.  I'm guessing in  5 or 6 years EVERY FBS team will get a bowl game.