Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on December 13, 2011 at 6:00a
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Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

The campus and classrooms around Ohio State are empty, as winter break is in full swing. While most have ventured home for their vacation, I'm still here as I work my other job.

I'm not going lie, it gets pretty boring here when you're one of three people you know who stayed here until school starts. But one of the perks has to be the fact that so many students are selling their basketball tickets.

I wasn't able to get tickets for the basketball games this season, so I'm definitely taking advantage of all the extra games coming my way.

Anyway, here's looking forward to the start of winter quarter. Let's proceed, shall we?

LET'S SLOW DOWN AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH. Brian Bennett of ESPN wrote an article examining the top Heisman-potential candidates from the Big Ten for next season.

In Bennett's top three, soon-to-be sophomore Braxton Miller is listed as a possibility. The top two are Michigan's quarterback Denard Robinson and Nebraska's running back Rex Burkhead. Some honorable mentions were Iowa's James Vandenberg and Marcus Coker, Penn State's Silas Redd, and Wisconsin's James White.

Down the road, I have no doubt that Miller will be a Heisman candidate so long as he stays healthy and focused. Under Meyer's tutelage, Miller could develop into one of the most explosive, dangerous players in the NCAA.

However, I cannot see Miller being seriously considered for the award the next year. Ohio State is still rebuilding its football program, and, as Bennett points out, he will be learning an entirely new offensive system next season. It is still way too early for anyone to be assuming that Miller wins college football's highest honor next year.

Let's just get through next season and then we'll see where he's at in his development.

ALL OR NOTHING. Pete Fiutak of CollegeFootballNews.com writes that Urban Meyer enters Ohio State with very high expectations from people.

In his article, Fiutak critiques every coaching change in the NCAA and got straight to the point when it came to the hiring of Meyer as the Buckeyes' next head coach. Fiutak writes that Meyer must win a national championship at OSU for people to consider his tenure in Columbus a success.

Well thank you, Captain Obvious. The expectations were clear from day one that Meyer was brought here to win an NCAA championship. This is Ohio State, one of the elite programs in all of college football, which means every coach we bring in has those expectations.

Fiutak goes on to predict that the Buckeyes will make it to the BCS title game twice, but will fail to actually win a title under Meyer. However, he came up with this bold, estimated guess is beyond me, but I'm assuming that zero analysis, or for that matter, logical thought really went into it.

We have barely even seen how this program will look under Meyer so, for me personally, I have trouble taking any prediction as bold as this one seriously.

Urban Meyer's high school photoA killer in high school, too (via @JeffSvoboda).

IN YOUR RECRUITING CLASS, STEALING YOUR DOODZ. If you missed last night's excitement, Urban Meyer flipped two five-star recruits to the good side in a span of about 30 minutes.

Fresh off a big weekend in Columbus that saw many top recruits come for official visits, Tommy Schutt, a defensive tackle from suburban Chicago, announced that he would be attending Ohio State, spurning Penn State, the team he had previously committed to.

A short time later, McKinley defensive end Se'Von Pittman backed out of a commitment to Michigan State to say that he, too, would also be heading to Columbus.

That's two huge commitments on Meyer Monday for the Buckeyes with the promise of more to come this week. ESPN's Adam Rittenberg said it best when he tweeted the following:

Urban Meyer sending message to the Big Ten today: If you think your recruits are commited, better check again.

Reading the replies to that tweet is one delicious way to spend your morning.

NUMBER TWO IN THE POLLS, NUMBER ONE TO THIS GUY. Bret Strelow of the Fayetteville Observer writes that the Buckeyes, despite their loss to Kansas, should be the number one team in the nation, not undefeated Syracuse.

Strelow cites the fact that while Syracuse is undefeated, they also have yet to play a game on the road all season. The article claims that since the Buckeyes played without All American center Jared Sullinger against the Jayhawks, their loss should not weigh as heavy on them in the polls. This is why Strelow claims he used his vote in the Associated Press Top 25 ballot to vote Ohio State as the number one team in the country.

While I can certainly understand the points he makes, I have to respectfully disagree with Strelow. While I would like to assume the Buckeyes could've won at Kansas with Sullinger, I can't prove that they would have come out victorious. How you can factor in if a team would've won if some of their players weren't injured to your ballot vote is beyond me.

While Syracuse definitely hasn't had the most difficult schedule so far this year, they still are undefeated and deserve their ranking as number one, at least for now. It's still early in the season and Syracuse plays in the Big East, so I guarantee they'll play in big games this season.

So long as the Buckeyes have Sullinger back and continue to play their style of basketball, they will have another shot to be the number one team in the nation. For now, the number two spot is where they belong.

SEVEN BUCKEYES GRADUATE. While their last season on OSU's football team did not go as expected, the seven graduating players this fall did manage to end their academic careers on a high note.

Mike Brewster, Nic Dilillo, Donnie Evege, and Alex Stepanovich graduated this fall academic quarter with degrees in communication. Everyone's favorite walk-on Christopher Roark and Barrie Jackson graduated with degrees in Marketing. And last but definitely not least, Daniel Herron graduated with a degree in African American and African studies. 

No word yet on if Terrelle Pryor will come back to finish up his degree after his five-year campus ban. 

LOS LINKS. Speaking of that Pryor guy... A look back at college basketball last weekend... Anyone else miss Jon Diebler... Check out how Dallas Lauderdale is doing in Poland... Thad Matta has no regrets.

 

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buckeye20's picture

He's putting on a clinic.

 

carence's picture

I'm still waiting on the 11W iPhone app so I can get my updates straight to my phone. The Bleacher Report app is meh.

What are you waiting for Jason? Get to it, pronto! 

Buckeye in Athens's picture

I used to want this extremely badly, but now I just follow all of the 11W crew on twitter. It might be even better because they tweet new articles and an insane amount of recruiting updates. So that's a good alternative. 

Denny's picture

Even over 3G the site loads quickly as-is; there doesn't seem to be a real need for an app. Just go the twitter route (or use Reeder/RSS to find new pieces).

Also, get rid of Bleacher Report's app. They're fucking awful.

Taquitos.

flipbuckeye's picture

The site loads OK on most mobile browsers, but I still think a mobile app or mobile version of the site (probably easier) is a great idea. Eliminates unnecessary load times and pinching/zooming.

awwwwwwop's picture

I basically had to pick one author and follow them.  It was too much tweeting to follow all of them, it overtook my feed.  Also, seeing 8 links to the same story right in a row was kind of frustrating. And yes, the site does load well on most mobile browsers

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

Alex's picture

We all have interesting tweets to follow, but I'd say if you follow anyone, follow the general @elevenwarriors handle

Denny's picture

#FF @worstfan

R.I.P. Worstfan :(

Taquitos.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I primarily use my iPad to view 11W and have been begging for an app, but gave up. The NoahSpence comment on repeat made the entire page shrink on this device. I don't know HTML so I can't use images or links when I post unless I'm at home. I'd pay $5.00 for an 11W iPad app. I'm putting an 11W iPad app on my wish list.

Jason Priestas's picture

If we do anything, we'll do a mobile theme for the site instead of an app because we don't really want to develop/support an iOS and Android device. Some day...

bassplayer7770's picture

Yeah, I'd imagine developing apps might be kinda time consuming and expensive.  A mobile version of the site would be very cool.

BrewstersMillions's picture

OSU has to be the leading cause of Butt Hurt in the United States.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would be more obvious.

njc2o's picture

i'm sorry you'll have to talk more loudly all i can hear is NOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCENOAHSPENCE

Squirrel Master's picture

Love the recruiting news going around. Come on Noah Spence!

I was surprised OSU stayed at #2 in bball. With all the haters out there, I would have suspected they would have gotten some lowball votes. They do deserve to stay at #2 even though they are the #1 team. With a close loss and your best player out of the game, staying at par is the correct spot!

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

BuckeyeChris's picture

"No word yet on if Terrelle Pryor will come back to finish up his degree after his five-year campus ban."

Brlliant!

Slow. Steady. Clapping.

BTwrestle04's picture

Alex Stepanovich? Didn't that guy graduate in 2004?

BuddhaBuck's picture

Maybe it's his grad school degree?...

Don't text while driving.

BuddhaBuck's picture

Re: Fiutak - sometimes he's on.... and other times he's in outerspace masquerading as Captain Obvious.

Re: Recruiting - ZOMG!!!!!!

Re: bball team ranking - I think I speak for many of us when I say WHO CARES. It will matter at 11:30pm on April 2, 2012.... and at that point, hopefully Sully & Co. have proven it to the world.. and the field of 68. =P

Don't text while driving.

jfrank373's picture

I don't know about you guys and girls, but I am thoroughly enjoying every sip of the hatorade being served by the bitter fans up north. I'm really looking forward to this weekend - family Christmas where I'll get to see my brother, who is a huge scUM fan. He denied the Meyer rumors, now says the investigation isn't over and we're gonna get hit hard, I can't even imagine how pissed he is about the recruiting news. Best. Christmas. Ever.

ArTbkward's picture

Especially compared to last year.  If memory serves me correctly, the original Tat 5 news broke Dec 23.  I distinctly remember listening to that presser on my drive home for the holidays.

So much better this year. 

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Run_Fido_Run's picture

In other predictions, Pete Fiutak has decided that the 2017 national championship will be contested between USC and Georgia. The Trojans will take a 20-7 haltime lead and ultimately pull away for a 34-21 victory. They'll out first down the Dawgs 25-17; the official attendance will be 85,714.    

Northbrook's picture

We are flying too near the sun. I feel an NCAA sanctions gray box of deep shit is hovering nearby. This year has scared me from being optimistic.

BuckeyeChris's picture

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I have taken all the goodie gum drops recruiting news of the past few days with the proverbial "grain of salt," knowing that just as easily as these guys verbaled they can decommit once a *two/three year bowl ban is official.

 

*This is not to say that this is what I think will happen. I have to think that Urbz has been giving these guys pretty solid assurances that what is coming won't be so bad. 

Squirrel Master's picture

I am in awe about how good of a blog site this is and my fellow commentors! I try to check other blogs and comment on them (pro sports) and they just don't get it. Sometimes we get a little crazy and sometimes we overflow the passion bucket but we stick together in our affection for the buckeyes. Its a pleasure to talk buckeyes with each of you!

My buckeye x-mas wish is for another great year with all of you all in rooting for a basketball mens national championship (womens too would be nice) and Meyer putting together a team that will wreak havoc on all comers.

Especially those SEC bitches who are having their moment and will soon disappear! hehehe

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

BucksfanXC's picture

Squirrel, you have to be my favorite commenter on here. No joke. This was just a wonderful, warm comment that really did make me realize that we are blessed and I should keep a smile on my face.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Squirrel Master's picture

Thank you!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's not poaching when a recruit is, at first, unsure about commiting to his dream school because the program is in flux, only later to change his mind when the program is put on a solid foundation - especially when a recruit is from the "home" state.

As a rule, non-Ohio-based coaches like Dantonio, Kelly, and Jabba really have no business being in the state unless Urban says it's okay - i.e., they're free to recruit the guys we don't want, but if they take an aggressive line in Ohio and wish to maintain their "man cards," then they ought not complain when they get hit by a counter-offensive.

You've heard of the Monroe Doctrine. This is the Meyer Doctrine.      

NC_Buckeye's picture

The Meyer Doctrine -- I like it. (Although, I believe it is a continuation of the Tressel Corollary.)

btalbert25's picture

I haven't been following what the Michigan fans are saying, but I wonder how they put positive spin on the fact that Urban keeps knocking down these huge recruits left and right.  I'm so glad they completed the hire before the bowl game to give this guy some time to recruit.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I don't follow what Michigan fans say, either. One of their better fans - M Man - comments here regularly.

Except for enjoying the occasional schadenfreude, why do I want to read what the idiots are saying? And I'll wait on that, too, lest the gun is jumped. If/when the NCAA issues a reasonable verdict (while Urban Meyer continues to build on an impressive recruiting effort), then I'll head over there to enjoy some salty tears.

btalbert25's picture

Yeah M-Man is very good, but I'll tell ya I have gone on to MGo Blog before in the past and I just don't understand what the big deal is.  Everyone talks about how it's the best blog in the business and all that, I just don't see it.  I went on there to read some comments, and granted it was when Michigan was in their really dark times 2 seasons ago, and people who were fans were being blocked for saying negative stuff.  Brian had a post where he was basically crying, and talking about the depression he was in over how bad the team was.  I thought people were joking when they said it was such a great blog.  Of course I thought people were joking when they all said Gus Johnson was an awesome announcer, and turns out they weren't lol.  Maybe I just don't have good taste.  Anyway, I'd take this blog and community any day of the hippy's blog.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Winnah! I have to agree as much as possible with both opinions! MGo doesn't appeal to me at all and Gus needs Xanax.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Gus Johnson's style works (for me) under the right conditions: a wild, back-and-forth NCAA b-ball tournament game, w/ a buzzer-beater that sends the game into OT, etc.

But, I agree, listening to Johnson get hysterical during a regular season cfb game involving MAC/Wac/MW/Big East teams is rather tedious. 

btalbert25's picture

That's the thing I can't stand, not every play of every game is a buzzer beater to win the title lol.  He's certainly better than Vitale or Packer just not my favorite.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I'll take Kellogg on any game.

BTwrestle04's picture

MGoBlog is just an eye-sore to look at, in my opinion. I can't stand the layout at all. Never really read any of the content because it seems very unorganized.

btalbert25's picture

Yeah i really don't get it.  I guess the guys and gals that run 11W can elaborate, usually they give him love too. 

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

THANK YOU.   I thought it was just me.   I have TRIED to read the MGoBlog numerous times, and navigating it is a hassle, it's hard to follow threads, I just hate the freaking site.   IAnd yet everyone says what a great job this infamous "Brian" does with it.   I don't see it at all. 

But, I do love Gus Johnson on Basketball.  Other sports, not so much.   Of course, anything is better than that ear bleeder Vitale, man I can't take that turd.

 

Conroy's picture

I dunno man.  No offense to eleven warriors, but mgoblog is pretty much the standard.  Brian is a great writer.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Sorry, he can't hold Ramzy's jock.

I think people fawn over that mess of a site b/c is was a blog before blogs were cool. Brian is really just the Preston Tucker of his generation.

I'll take 11W and Mustang any day of the week.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

btalbert25's picture

It's not like Urban is doing anything different then what other programs do anyway.  When a guy gives a verbal they other teams don't just say darn and fade away.  They keep recruiting the guy til signing day.  Michigan is obviously still in Dunn's ear.  They stayed on Kalis after he gave a verbal.  If they have a problem with Urban "poaching" I say look in the mirror ASSHOLES.

 

RBuck's picture

That is exactly why OSU hosted a ton of current commits along with a few others this past weekend. Verbals don't mean diddly.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Baroclinicity's picture

Word.

But I guess it's about how they do it.  There have been discussions on here about this before, and I'm one that believes it should not be done with the tactic of negative recruiting.  Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, until they have signed they are fair game.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Nappy's picture

The other fanbases are just butt hurt because they were hoping tatgate would set us back for years then we hire the best coach in cfb and start landing the best recruits and all of a sudden it's like we never left. 

DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK

Fan of bacon since 1981

biggy84's picture

Yeah, come on and check yo self before you wreck yo self
 Cause shotgun bullets Meyer's recruits are bad for your health

argyle182021's picture

Reading people's whiny tweets responding to Rittenberg put a huge smile on my face.  Where was the outrage from these people when everyone was negatively recruiting Ohio State and TSUN poached our top lineman commit?  I'm looking forward to this staff snapping up a few more 5* guys.  Next year's class will likely be one of the best in the country.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

OUTSTANDING NEWS!!!! Welcome aboard the Urban Train baby!!! 

I have to believe the other coaches are just a bit nervous of the potential power levels OSU can rise to at this point in time!  You know they were all fairly happy to see us out of the top spot for a change and perhaps thought it was their time to dominate for a bit during our rebuilding phase!  Well gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed it because there is a new man in town and he loves to stomp on opponents! 

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

Ya know, I was thinking about this the other day and Ohio State down for a couple of years may have helped the B1G a little bit.  I think Michigan being not so good has helped Michigan State and Wisconsin rise in the B1G ranks a bit.  Of course a down Ohio State would've strengthened Michigan as we saw Ohio recruits leaving Ohio. 

I'm not saying I wanted this to happen, I could care less how the rest of the B1G plays to be quite honest.  Just saying Dantonio, Jaba, Bielema, Pellini all sood to gain by Ohio State being down.  They are absolutely nervous about Urban Meyer coming in and putting a stop to that.  Hell he probably will even exceed the recruiting success Tressel had.  They were all looking forward to having a little more success recruiting against Ohio State and they may end up having an even harder time  competing for recruits.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I don't think it helps the BT, on balance, to have Jabba attempting to build his entire team around recruits from Ohio.

During the BTs strong period between about 1995 - 2003, Michigan was successful using a nationwide recruting approach, getting a few recruits from Michigan and Ohio, but plucking up premium players from all over the county - they were sort of the cosmopolitan program (although they were also accused of being prima donnas, which hurt them at times, whereas Ohio State had more of a reputation at that point of being a blue collar program).

PSU was up and down, but still an east coast power. Wisconsin was rising under Alvarez. And other BT programs found niches that allowed them to compete without landing 4, 5 star guys - e.g., Northwestern, Purdue.

For the BT to return to dominance, some the different program strategies will probably have to be reconfigured, etc., but the renaissance won't happen because Ohio recruits are reshuffled.     

btalbert25's picture

I don't think a down Ohio State = Awesome conference because of Ohio kids, I just think those available recruits can help other programs complete better classes.  If Ohio State didn't have so much trouble Dodson may have never committed to Wisconsin.  That's all I'm saying.  MSU stepped up their recruiting and started taking the best kids from Michigan.

I agree though, Michigan was great because they had great reach  They got kids from all over the country, but they did have a strong presence in Ohio as well.

Doc's picture

You are right the B1G needs to recruit nationally, but it seems Urban will have a leg up there as well.  Maybe Serbia or Lithuania would be a good place for Beliemia and Jabba to look.

 

"I got 99 problems, but Recruits ain't one.  Hit me!"

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

Yeah, and I could really care less who recruits where and how many recruits they land.  Undefeated Ohio State will always be included in whatever sort of title game/playoff situation college football has. It's just not that important for me that Iowa and Minnesota are good.  I mostly pointed out that down Ohio State would improve the B1G as a response to the comment that the rest of the coaches in the B1G are getting nervious.  I think they were pretty confident they'd swipe some recruits like MSU and Wisky did this year, until they come back that is lol.

ArTbkward's picture

It should make other B1G coaches nervous.  Hopefully it forces the conference to up their game as a whole.  Urban and Hokey-Pokey are showing the most obvious signs of upping the ante but I would imagine other schools are working hard too.  I'm hoping to see the Illini back up there under their new regime and I think Kill, so long as he is healthy, is doing good things for the Gophers which, granted, is a long upward mountain to climb.

Increasing the overall depth of the B1G is something that needs to happen.  These things are cyclical and I'm thinking it's about time for the SEC reign to end. 

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Doc's picture

Granted Jabba has a done a good job with his recruiting class this year, but he was recruiting against a neutered Ohio State.  Will he be able to keep this up?  My other thought is this:  Don't you think the other coaches are already doing their best at recruiting.  What can they do to step it up?  Bielemia and Dantonio are doing well, but Ferentz is fading quickly.  The new coach in Illi will bring fire back, but what is everyone else going to do?  I really see Urban just dominating the B1G just like Tress did.  Both on the field and on the recruiting trail.

 

What says you guys/gals?

"Say my name."

ArTbkward's picture

Good point about Hoke recruiting against a down OSU but I still think he has reinvigorated the fanbase and by default, recruits.  He has certainly been the shining light that was severely dimmed during the RR era.  And I'm ok with that, as much as I hate TTUN it is beneficial for us if they don't completely suck (despite how much I enjoy Appy St T's).

I think Dantonio has been steadily increasing Sparty's presence.  They are no longer the little brother of UM but a force to be reckoned with.  They went 12-1 last regular season and 10-3 this year w/ the B1G Championship game, if he keeps them strong that gets the attention of recruits.  Maybe he, and BB, don't get as many 5 stars but if they can develop the 3 and 4 star guys then they can still be a force and I think it's best for OSU if they are a force.

Ferentz is fading, or at the least, sporadic.  Penn State will be in shambles for a long time.

I think Urban can dominate too, I just hope he gets some competition.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Run_Fido_Run's picture

In retrospect, I wonder if Iowa's relatively strong teams in 2008 - 2010 (with 2009 being the mini-peak and the 2010 being better than their record would indicate) were just part of a normal up-and-down pattern we'd now expect from Ferentz/Iowa:

1999 Iowa 1–10 0–8 11th   
2000 Iowa 3–9 3–5 8th   
2001 Iowa 7–5 4–4 T–4th W Alamo  
2002 Iowa 11–2 8–0 T–1st L Orange † (8)
2003 Iowa 10–3 5–3 T–4th W Outback (8)
2004 Iowa 10–2 7–1 T–1st W Capital One (8)

2005 Iowa 7–5 5–3 T–3rd L Outback  
2006 Iowa 6–7 2–6 T–8th L Alamo  
2007 Iowa 6–6 4–4 T–5th   
2008 Iowa 9–4 5–3 T–4th W Outback (20)
2009 Iowa 11–2 6–2 T–2nd W Orange (7)

2010 Iowa 8–5 4–4 T–4th W Insight  
2011 Iowa 7–5 4–4 4th (Legends)  Insight

It wouldn't surprise me if Iowa's recruiting rankings didn't fluctuate nearly as much during this era; rather, Ferentz/Iowa take so-so talent and develop it over 4-5 years and periodically a nice group of players are able to peak for a couple of years.
 

ArTbkward's picture

It would be interesting to see how recruiting rankings fluctuated during that same period.  Honestly, it would be intersting to see for most schools.  That has to be out there somewhere, right?

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Run_Fido_Run's picture

That'd require my lazy a-- to do some homework and I'm already busy enough wasting time at my day job.

Short answer: Iowa was not ranked among Rivals top 25 recruiting schools between 2002 - 2011 (See: http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1238729). If Iowa had mixed in a handful of top 10 recruitng years, they probably would have at least cracked the top 25. But it is possible that Iowa had quite a bit of fluctuation nevertheless, maybe jumping up and down between, say, the 16th best recruiting class one year, followed by the 29th and 32nd rated classes the following two years.

More likely, I'm guessing, is that Iowa tends to have 30ish classes that they slowly develop, using redshirts and good soild coaching, and every few years or so they kinda hit an upswing.   

ArTbkward's picture

I don't have time to look it up either but I think you're right. Unfortunately for them, their upswings tend to coincide with losing to a Northwestern or Minnesota.  They do it in down years too, but it's no so unexpected then.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Nappy's picture

Also think about the talent that Mich has gotten out of Ohio during the Cooper/Carr years.  A lot of kids in Ohio during that time looked at Mich as the dominate B1G program and wanted to play for them.  This is what helped keep Mich so successful was Ohio recruits.  Fast forward to the Jim Tressel Decade of Dominance™ and most Ohio kids now view OSU as the premier B1G program.  If Urban can hand pick which Ohio kids he wants and steer the rest to ND, theres no reason we wont spend the next decade beating the fat mans ass.

Fan of bacon since 1981

onetwentyeight's picture

Screw the other B1G schools, seriously. I could care less if they all melt down and go 0-12 for the next decade. I hate how a lot of us try to follow the SEC's lead now and pimp our own conference. I can't even stomach the thought of OSU potentially being down enough to enable all these other scrub 2nd tier teams in the B1G to rise up and get better. 

This is OHIO STATE. IF the B1G were to ever collapse upon itself, we'd have suitors backed up outside the door for our services. Look at Texas and the grip they hold over the Big 12. That's US. We love to say no coach or player (not even Woody) will ever be larger than the program itself. And I 100% agree with that. But I would also like to add that OSU is greater than the B1G now. They need us more than we need them. Seriously, outside of US, what B1G team has done jack-squat nationally since the year 2000? We are the ONLY relevant national program keeping this pathetic MAC-lite level conference afloat. 

 

So in conclusion, all the other B1G schools can just take our recruit-poaching, scorched-earth William TECUMSEH SHERMAN-ESQUE coach and DEAL. WITH. IT.

 

 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Is Sandusky's attorney pulling a Sleepers?

Buckeyejason's picture

How will all these lineman get to play:

Bennett
Hale
Miller
Hayes
Baldwin
Ferris
Moore
Washington
Schutt
Pittman
Spence?

Obviously some will establish themselves, some won't live up to the hype, and some will probably be injury prone(god forbid) I.e. Melvin Fellows.

That's a lot of dudes to rotate on the Defensive lines.

BUCKEYES BABY!

BTwrestle04's picture

Just give me another Thaddeus Gibson and I will be a happy, happy man.

Alex's picture

I could see Baldwin and Farris eventually moving to OL or moving on....just don't see where they fit in here with all this talent coming in.

Next year as seniors you will have Nathan Williams (RS), Garrett Goebel (RS), and John Simon

Juniors will be Hankins (could go pro) and Bellamy

Sophomores will be JT Moore (RS), Baldwin (RS), Hale, Bennett, and S. Miller

Freshmen will be Hayes (RS), Farris (RS), Washington, Pittman, Schutt, Spence*

15 defensive linemen.....not room for everyone.....moves must be on the way

BTwrestle04's picture

There's always the possibility some of these guys could move to Linebacker as well, right? I'm not sure who projects best to move in that direction, though.

bassplayer7770's picture

I'm not sure either, but I've heard Connor Crowell is rehabbing and ahead of schedule, and his highlights looked quite good.  Then there's Curtis Grant assuming he will progress enough to see more playing time.  Of course, I still hope we get at least one more strong LB recruit.

Buckeyejason's picture

I don't see anyone who could be moved to linebacker from that group. You have to be able to cover as well as play the run which its hard to imagine anyone of those guys can do. Moore seems like the likely candidate to move to Sam. Washington and Spencw could possibly play a pass rush LB..that's about it I would say.

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BTwrestle04's picture

I think Washington can be like a Thaddeus Gibson. (I forget the stupuid names the use, I believe it was Leo?)

Buckeyejason's picture

Yeah its Leo. Basically a Left-End/Outside Linebacker. Washington could definitly fill that spot..he's going to be a lot bigger than Thaddeus was..also not as jacked lol.

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SaintTressel's picture

I think our defense aligns to the field, not the left or right. I also think Washington filling the leo spot is a bit of stretch, but we won't know that until september I suppose

Buckeyejason's picture

Yes it does..but I belive Leo basically means L.eft E.nd O.utside linebacker.

How is it a strech for Washington to fill the Leo spot? He's definitly athletic enough to drop back in coverage when he needs to, and has the speed to chase down ball carriers.

Williams, if healthy will obviously be the Leo again next season..followed by Steve Miller or Moore..Washington could play in down the line.

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Nappy's picture

I think Nathan Williams can be that guy.  He plays standing up, can rush the passer and drop in coverage.  With the depth on the line and shortage at LB, I can see him playing more of a LB position this year.

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Buckeyejason's picture

Nathan Williams has had the Leo spot locked down for the last 2 years.

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Alex's picture

I don't see a LB in the group either.....can maybe see some guys moving to OL (Farris, Baldwin) or some DE's moving inside to DT, but not linebacker....don't forget you can redshirt Schutt and Pittman if they aren't going to see the field....I think Washington and Spence would be too talented to keep off

Maestro's picture

Not everyone is going to play as a freshman or even as a redshirt freshman.  Numbers are a must.  

vacuuming sucks

Hoody Wayes's picture

Certainly not everyone. But, more will play than usual, due to the need to rotate, within the spread.

Maestro's picture

and that is great.  Just hoping that there isn't much attrition from the DLine.  

vacuuming sucks

acBuckeye's picture

Recruiting depth on the O-line and D-line is how you become dominant every year. I think LSU is managing to make room for all of their freak D-linemen. Also, some guys will redshirt.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

Silver Bullets baby!  That D-line is going to be so strong.   Now if we can get the LB's loaded up as well.....

2012 is looking good!

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

Buckeyejason's picture

I hope we add a couple of big time Offensive Tackles, that's a HUGE need!

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Maestro's picture

Dodson and Diamond are hopefull #19 and #20, or #20 and #21 after Spence is #19.

vacuuming sucks

buckeyeEddie27's picture

I can see Urban looking at lists of other schools verbal commits like "I want him,  I want him, oooh i want him too"    (meanwhile)  Jabba and Kalis are in the fetal position spooning each other for warmth.  Jabba whispers to kalis..."it's gonna be a long winter"

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

btalbert25's picture

So this positive momentum with the program has me feeling confident.  I think Luke or Urban whoever will have this team in position to curb stomp the gators.  Even though technically he isn't coaching, I think Urban knows how big of a win it would be to knock off an SEC team in the bowl game.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a result like the one in the Alamo Bowl a few years back.  Plus guys like Herron and Posey are going to want to go out with a bang as well. 

Buckeyejason's picture

Very true^

Nothing I despise more in college football than the Gators..Well Michigan is up there of coarse..and those USC fools.

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ArTbkward's picture

....and ND....

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

flipbuckeye's picture

... and Wisky... and PSU fans...

Run_Fido_Run's picture

PSU fans will soon become much nicer and more docile. How arrogant can fans of a soon-to-be mid-level program be? Do you ever say to yourself, "Those Syracuse fans are obnoxious!"     

ArTbkward's picture

+1

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

E2Brutus's picture

No Montee Ball on the Heisman Candidates for next year? Is he headed to the League early?

Bucksfan's picture

I had a few email exchanges with Fiutak during the first week since Meyer was hired.  I find his assessment of the Ohio State fanbase that Meyer was brought in to win a national championship, and that we won't tolerate anything less, to be ABSURD.  I don't see us flying off the handle if Meyer is unable to get it done.

He never went undefeated at Florida.  I repeat...He never went undefeated at Florida.  Guess what you have to do at Ohio State to win a national championship in the average Big Ten?  You have to go undefeated.  Pete Carroll, probably the coach/recruiter of the decade, with the best talent in the nation, went undefeated only once.  Nothing is guaranteed. 

If Meyer only lasts 7 years, and finishes with a 4-3 record vs. Blue with 3 Big Ten titles and 3 BCS bowl wins he'll be considered a success.  We'll probably be disappointed with no national title, but he won't be run out of town for winning 85% of his football games - and that's why Fiutak is wrong.

Northbrook's picture

Absolutely agree with you. On average our fans are reasonable in their expectations. At least the ones with some football acumen.

Bucksfan's picture

I told Fiu that we just wouldn't do that to a native Ohioan.  Now, if he goes 3 straight years without beating a top-10 team, like Tressel did from '07 Florida - '09 USC, of course he'll feel heat.  Hell, at that point I was ready to drop Tressel - he just wasn't fielding nationally competitive teams anymore, despite crushing the Big Ten.  But so would anyone who coaches at a big time program.  Urban knows that, and he knows better than anyone that you have to win some of those big games when they come along.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, too. Every year, the goal is to win a NC, but fans understand that, realistically, about 25 other good-to-great programs share the same goal and that numerous factors that decide the NC are largely beyond the control of the coaches, including luck, injuries, officiating.

We'll be happy with Urban Meyer as long as the program is firing on all cylinders. If it turns out, for example, that the BT is stronger, overall, than it was during the last decade, we won't hold that against him.  

BuckeyeChief's picture

I agree Boom and Devier are going to go out strong; they have to be starved for redemption for tatgate, and losing to scUM.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

btalbert25's picture

Expecting a coach to win a national title or labeling him a failure is ridiculous in any sport, but especially college football.  In college football a lot of who plays in the title game is totally out of the coach's hands.  Nick Saban could win a title this year, but the guy out at Ok State may very well have won one as well, his team did everything it could and still didn't get the chance. Pete Carol could easily have 3 more titles but the computer or whatever decided his team wasn't worthy of playing for a title because of 1 loss.  No doubt those USC teams were the best teams in the country.  Urban could have teams that are that dominant every year and not win a title because they weren't the team that won the popularity contest and were arbitrarily assigned number 1 or 2 ranking.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

The level of butt-hurtedness over at BSD is glorious.

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

Run_Fido_Run's picture

They need to learn how to cope with sustained failure.  

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

it's gonna be a baaaadddd decade over there.

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

BuckeyeSki's picture

I got my ban-hammer too soon it looks like....

Banned from BlackShoeDiaries since 2008. Crime: Slander/Defamation of Character Judgement: Guilty

NC_Buckeye's picture

Premature banneration, Ski. I'm saving mine for the next round of PSU pontification.

/Success with Honor'ed

BuckeyeSki's picture

LOL dont you go and accuse Darryl Clark of sewing his own jersey on the sidelines and making a better housewife than a QB, you will get smashed with the ban-hammer for life!

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NC_Buckeye's picture

Hey Ski, I forgot. You might want to do a test to see if you're still banned over at BSD. Chris Grovich went crazy with the ban hammer the night of the Paterno riot and banned many of the core BSD'ers. I think he had to do a site-wide amnesty or face a mutiny.

What clued me in is that M1EK is now back to posting on BSD. He had been banned there many years ago (which is why he was gracing 11W with his presence.)

BuckeyeSki's picture

Oh no, I am firmly banned for life. It says so in huge bold black letters at the bottom of every post

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Same with me and ATO. hahahaha

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

Doc's picture

Sorry for the DERP, but what is BSD?

"Say my name."

flipbuckeye's picture

Penn State blog, Black Shoe Diaries.

bassplayer7770's picture

I'm guessing Black Show Diaries?

Doc's picture

Thanks!

"Say my name."

Kyle's picture

Bad Shower Diaries.... Too soon?

BrewstersMillions's picture

I see what you did there.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would be more obvious.

BuckeyeSki's picture

Backing Sandusky (causes) De-commits?

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btalbert25's picture

I also think this year proved it doesn't matter what kind of conference you play in if you aren't the popular choice.  Oklahoma State was the champ of the toughest conference in America.  They played a great schedule, and they were still deemed the 2nd best 1 loss team in America.

RedQueenRace's picture

Oklahoma State was the champ of the toughest conference in America.

Maybe.  But I'm waiting to see the bowl results before judging that.

 

BrewstersMillions's picture

There is a rising movement by some PSU fans that Urban was going to be PSU's HC. A lot of people I saw commenting on ESPN's article on the Schutt signing had 'facts' that he had bought a house, visited girls VBall practices, etc. Now I would never, ever, use that as my source material but I have to think some of PSU's fans really thought Meyer was as good as theirs before the Sandusky thing broke. I know PSU fans don't want to hear this but OSU is and will always be a better destination, no matter how bad 'tatgate' was made to look. PSU fans have OSU expectations with Michigan State success. Their arrogance, and subsequent demoralization has sustained me this otherwise crappy season. If its true (it isn't PSU fans) and OSU ganked Meyer and Meyer continues to gank recruits, then that is an even better pull and an even larger middle finger to the school that just isn't as good as they think they are. They may just have to enjoy the next few years of futility\mediocrity (at best).

Or, their beloved patriarch could have stopped a pedophile instead of harboring him and maybe we'd be the ones looking for a coach. Just saying.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would be more obvious.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

So, as far as enjoying the next fews years of futility and medicority, what you are saying is, business at usual for PSU?

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

btalbert25's picture

That's one thing I really enjoy about 11W, they are reluctant to ban people, some of these other blogs just block you if you defend your team.  Here you get warnings, more than 1, and you usually have to be quite offensive to do it.  I don't know how everyone else's behavior is on the other blogs, but I have a sense that on lesser blogs my perceived negativity through the season may have gotten me banned.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

As you suggest, you were never going to be banned from 11W - just called a negative nellie by hopeless optimists like me. As it turned out, of course, the negative nellies were right this season.

But us hopeless optimists will be back on top, damn it! We were right in 2002 and we right almost every November under the JT regime.

With Urbz now in charge, hopefully it's time for hopeless optimism to reign supreme! Well, at least until the NCAA rules, or until about mid-October 2012 . . .     

Doc's picture

Now I'm lost Fido.  What happens mid October 2012?  The Mayans don't come back unti lthe end of December.

"Say my name."

NC_Buckeye's picture

... I have a sense that on lesser blogs my perceived negativity through the season may have gotten me banned.

BT, from what I understand that is exactly what happened to M1EK at BSD all those years ago. Looks like he got a reprieve with the change in management.